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Viren
10-18-2007, 08:02 AM
<p>Ok still kicking group combo around.</p><p>berserker-main</p><p>fury-bot</p><p>inquisitor-main</p><p>dirge-bot</p><p>ok other 2 classes up in air</p><p>assassin but do they do ok aoe damage? or should we go swashy? or something that starts on evil side and aoes.</p><p>what mage class will grp nicely with mostly melee class and do some wikid aoe damage?</p><p>Looking for that just right group set up with little down time and best aoe set up to wipe out multiple mob encounters. Even if we have to group good chars and evil which shouldnt be a problem once we get ports im hopeing.</p>

ratdeath
10-18-2007, 08:13 AM
You're two players who are going to 2-box?If thats the case.. hmmm<b>Player 1:</b>Shadowknight (main) + Necromancer (or something else)<b>Player 2</b>Warden/Fury (main) + WarlockShadowknight has some area spells and also have a selfheal that works better the more mobs are hitting you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Necromancer because it's a mage class, has one area spell also less keyspamming sending in the pet and don't have to think about positioning a scout class right or so...Warden/Fury gets healing and also some DPS abilities.Warlock I think is a good AoE class.<b>Why SK and Druid as mains?</b>The focus should be on the tank and healer, if you got the agro and have heals I think its easier to use the secondary chars as soon as the primary objectives are achived, get agro.. heal tank.Thats what I would try <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> might work.. might not.. probably depends on playstyle etc.

Killerbee3000
10-18-2007, 08:19 AM
<cite>Viren wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok still kicking group combo around.</p><p>berserker-main</p><p>fury-<b>bot</b></p><p>inquisitor-main</p><p>dirge-<b>bot</b></p><p>ok other 2 classes up in air</p><p>assassin but do they do ok aoe damage? or should we go swashy? or something that starts on evil side and aoes.</p><p>what mage class will grp nicely with mostly melee class and do some wikid aoe damage?</p><p>Looking for that just right group set up with little down time and best aoe set up to wipe out multiple mob encounters. Even if we have to group good chars and evil which shouldnt be a problem once we get ports im hopeing.</p></blockquote>We do not want Bots in this game...

ratdeath
10-18-2007, 08:24 AM
<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Viren wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok still kicking group combo around.</p><p>berserker-main</p><p>fury-<b>bot</b></p><p>inquisitor-main</p><p>dirge-<b>bot</b></p><p>ok other 2 classes up in air</p><p>assassin but do they do ok aoe damage? or should we go swashy? or something that starts on evil side and aoes.</p><p>what mage class will grp nicely with mostly melee class and do some wikid aoe damage?</p><p>Looking for that just right group set up with little down time and best aoe set up to wipe out multiple mob encounters. Even if we have to group good chars and evil which shouldnt be a problem once we get ports im hopeing.</p></blockquote>We do not want Bots in this game... </blockquote>Hehe!!! Hell froze over? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Maybe he means they are going to 2-box two chars each.. calling the one who will /follow for bot.

Viren
10-18-2007, 07:35 PM
<p>ok what we have are me, my wife, my oldest kid, my friend, his oldest kid, and younger kid too. 6 chars played as mains basically for the most part.</p><p>His youngest may not want to play as long as we do so we will have to bot his char at times. Now if his other kid cant play we will have to bot yet another char also. Thats why i put the bot after those classes. we are decent at botting in eq1. he bots 2 chars and i bot 3 so bot skill isnt a prob.</p><p>He and i like to kill fast without much breaks. So i am looking for advice on the char selection above if that group will be able to </p><p>1) put the smack down on multi pulls of mobs maybe even more than 1 encounter pulling if ya know what i mean. Like will aoes hit all creatures pulled even if we have 2 sets of linked mobs?</p><p>2) also want the classes to work well with eachother as far as thier buffs and group spells and such. Dont want to overlap too many spelss and skills.</p><p>As far as the bots are concerned we will prolly only play together when we are on so the "bots" shouldnt bother any of you whom are concerned.</p><p>Was also wondering, assuming that the tank can hold agro on 1 or 2 sets of linked mobs what caster would be able to fire up on the multi pulls with thier aoes.</p><p>Was also wondering if the assassin has good aoe attacks or should we port over a swashy which i read has real good aoe attackss.</p><p>The dirdge is supposed to increase the damage of the melee group with buffs so i read.</p>

Eviljoe2
10-18-2007, 08:06 PM
<cite>Viren wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ok what we have are me, my wife, my oldest kid, my friend, his oldest kid, and younger kid too. 6 chars played as mains basically for the most part.</p><p>His youngest may not want to play as long as we do so we will have to bot his char at times. Now if his other kid cant play we will have to bot yet another char also. Thats why i put the bot after those classes. we are decent at botting in eq1. he bots 2 chars and i bot 3 so bot skill isnt a prob.</p><p>He and i like to kill fast without much breaks. So i am looking for advice on the char selection above if that group will be able to </p><p>1) put the smack down on multi pulls of mobs maybe even more than 1 encounter pulling if ya know what i mean. Like will aoes hit all creatures pulled even if we have 2 sets of linked mobs?</p><p>2) also want the classes to work well with eachother as far as thier buffs and group spells and such. Dont want to overlap too many spelss and skills.</p><p>As far as the bots are concerned we will prolly only play together when we are on so the "bots" shouldnt bother any of you whom are concerned.</p><p>Was also wondering, assuming that the tank can hold agro on 1 or 2 sets of linked mobs what caster would be able to fire up on the multi pulls with thier aoes.</p><p>Was also wondering if the assassin has good aoe attacks or should we port over a swashy which i read has real good aoe attackss.</p><p>The dirdge is supposed to increase the damage of the melee group with buffs so i read.</p></blockquote><p>I think there is a difference in terminology here.</p><p>People may be getting confused because when you say "bot" you mean putting the toon on auto follow, and switching to it to cast or attack.  This useage of a character is generally called "2 boxing" meaning you are playing 2 characters at once.</p><p>My definition of a "bot" is a character that has completey pre-programmed or "scripted" responses to events.  It is pre-mapped out what it will do in any given situation and requires not "real time" user adjsutments provided it follows its scripts.</p><p>This is frowned upon because it is used by plat farmers and those who want to xp while they sleep.  Though, hats off to those smart enough to program for all the variables that can come into play.</p>

Sunlei
10-18-2007, 08:10 PM
<p>  a bot? a bot? No need to call a second or third or any aditional accounts a 'bot'. A 'bot' is a automated character that plays the game without any human interaction, usually a 3rd party program is whats controling the character. Using a 'bot' is cheating and against the EULA. If you are planning using those programs to control a second account, beware other players will report you and soe will ban you if caught.</p><p>Anyways what it seems you are trying to do is play more than one account at the same time, Many people play more than one account at the same time. The simple ones usually have a main character like a tank to pull and hold the mobs and drag around(/follow) a healer. If a third it's usually a high damage easy character like a wizard(nuke, nuke,nuke)</p><p>One week all your kids will be playing beginning characters.Then because you dads are playing their accounts, next time the kids play their characters will be much higher.  Long as you are the ones playing with them, I guess it won't matter to others how good they are with no real playing experience. BTW, please read the eula, you are not supposed to 'share' accounts. I really don't care, however placing a eula breaking text on the games forums doesn't seem like a great idea. </p>

Lornick
10-18-2007, 08:30 PM
<p>Use the word "Box" not "Bot" when you are referring to playing 2 characters at once.  The word "Bot" implies that a character is being run by a 3rd party program and not a real player.  Playing 2 characters at once is perfectly legal and generally isn't frowned upon by other players.  Some maybe jealous just like some are jealous of raiders, but most people don't mind.  Many however are quite adamant about bot characters being banned since they are illegal and cause problems within the game.</p><p>With that out of the way I would make the following recommendations.  The box characters should not be melee or pet classes.  Healers and nukers work best being boxed since they need few keystrokes to be able to make significant contributions to the group.  I would not go with 2 healers personally.  I'm also not a big fan of trying to use a "buff box" type character.  You won't get enough benefit to make it worth it imho.  So good combos would be like the following:</p><p>Plate Tank (primary, more experienced player)Healer (boxed)Bard/ Chanter/ predator/ summoner/ rogue (Primary)Nuker aka wizard or warlock (boxed)</p><p>So like Berserker, Fury, Dirge, Warlock would be good.  Or Shadowknight, Inquisitor, Troubador, Wizard would be good.  Or Paladin, Mystic, Illusionist, Wizard etc..  I would try to create as much synergy as possible.  So like Shadowknight, Defiler, Dirge, and Warlock would work really well since there is good synergy with all the disease damage and disease debuffs.  Btw anyone who says it's too hard to tank and heal really doesn't know what they are doing.  It isn't hard to do with experience, but that player does need to be the better skilled person.  Anyway that is my advice.  I have A LOT of experience boxing so take it for what it's worth.</p>

Viren
10-18-2007, 10:11 PM
<p>ok ok boxing when the others cant play is what im getting at here. </p><p>Now which caster has the most damage aoe's out of all the non healer spell casters?</p><p>And is assassin and swashy about equal in aeo attacks?</p><p>Also if soe has a problem with family members sharing accounts we can take our 6 accounts plus our 5 in eq 1 and go over to WoW. Granted once we start playing eq2 we will prolly put 3 of the eq1 accounts on hold for a bit but not before we level 80 come this november im sure.</p>

dhvyse000
10-19-2007, 09:09 AM
I really hope everyone who mentions BOTTING a character here actually means BOXING.  We don't need you botters around, you ruin the game for everyone./report !

Belaythien
10-19-2007, 09:28 AM
As if it matters whether yet another farming group, played by one guy, is botted or boxed. In the end somebody is either monopolising group content alone or ruining the economy <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

netglen
10-19-2007, 09:39 AM
I've seen some weird things while teaming up with a small group two months ago. I usually see a pair teamed up in a questing area and sometimes I ask to join. Most of the time it's usually one person dual boxing but I came across a few situations where it looks like the player is controlling the other box with group chat commands. I would see commands like ATTACK all in caps and the other character would attack the targetted mob. Once in a while the command was spoken in the local chat instead of the team chat and the other character would just stand there until the attack was issued in team chat. Whatever the setup was, this guy was doing some serious farming off a set of outdoor epic mobs. I was on the team for about 20 minutes and at least 6 Masters dropped plus an above average Adept-I, Treasured, vendor trash and the quest items that I needed. The player set the loot to Leader so he nabbed all the Masters while he allocated all the rest to me. I just wanted to get the dang quest done but I've never seen so many Masters drop like that.

azekah
10-19-2007, 09:52 AM
<p><cite>Viren wrote:</cite> </p><blockquote><p>We can take our 6 accounts plus our 5 in eq 1 and go over to WoW. Granted once we start playing eq2 we will prolly put 3 of the eq1 accounts on hold for a bit but not before we level 80 come this november im sure.</p></blockquote><p>OH NOES!!! PLZ DNT LEAVE, ILL GIVE YOU 500f943 FREE PLAT TO STAY!?!?!</p>

Jesdyr
10-19-2007, 12:13 PM
<cite>netglen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've seen some weird things while teaming up with a small group two months ago. I usually see a pair teamed up in a questing area and sometimes I ask to join. Most of the time it's usually one person dual boxing but I came across a few situations where it looks like the player is controlling the other box with group chat commands. I would see commands like ATTACK all in caps and the other character would attack the targetted mob. Once in a while the command was spoken in the local chat instead of the team chat and the other character would just stand there until the attack was issued in team chat. Whatever the setup was, this guy was doing some serious farming off a set of outdoor epic mobs. I was on the team for about 20 minutes and at least 6 Masters dropped plus an above average Adept-I, Treasured, vendor trash and the quest items that I needed. The player set the loot to Leader so he nabbed all the Masters while he allocated all the rest to me. I just wanted to get the dang quest done but I've never seen so many Masters drop like that. </blockquote>What he was doing would most likely be seen as over the line and I would not doubt SoE would ban him for it if people complained about him.

StormCinder
10-19-2007, 12:45 PM
<cite>Sunlei wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>  a bot? a bot? No need to call a second or third or any aditional accounts a 'bot'. A 'bot' is a automated character that plays the game without any human interaction, usually a 3rd party program is whats controling the character. Using a 'bot' is cheating and against the EULA. If you are planning using those programs to control a second account, beware other players will report you and soe will ban you if caught.</p><p>Anyways what it seems you are trying to do is play more than one account at the same time, Many people play more than one account at the same time. The simple ones usually have a main character like a tank to pull and hold the mobs and drag around(/follow) a healer. If a third it's usually a high damage easy character like a wizard(nuke, nuke,nuke)</p><p>One week all your kids will be playing beginning characters.Then because you dads are playing their accounts, next time the kids play their characters will be much higher.  Long as you are the ones playing with them, I guess it won't matter to others how good they are with no real playing experience. BTW, please read the eula, you are not supposed to 'share' accounts. I really don't care, however placing a eula breaking text on the games forums doesn't seem like a great idea. </p></blockquote><p>Relevant EULA reference:</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">You may not transfer or share your Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account). You are liable for all activities conducted through the Account, and parents or guardians are liable for the activities of their child. Corporations and other entities are not eligible to procure Accounts.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">So, Yes...the OP has confessed to a EULA viloation.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">SC</span></span></p>

UlteriorModem
10-19-2007, 12:57 PM
<cite>Eviljoe2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Viren wrote:</cite> <p>when you say "bot" you mean putting the <b>toon on auto follow, and switching to it to cast or attack</b>.  This useage of a character is generally called "2 boxing" meaning you are playing 2 characters at once.</p></blockquote><p>Mmm kay. I still say the auto follow / auto attack charecter is a Bot.</p><p>Anyhow....</p><p> I do have to say this seems like an awful lot of work, coordination, time, and money spent just to play a game.</p><p> But Im just a jaded old fart noobie.</p>

Eviljoe2
10-19-2007, 01:34 PM
<cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eviljoe2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Viren wrote:</cite> <p>when you say "bot" you mean putting the <b>toon on auto follow, and switching to it to cast or attack</b>.  This useage of a character is generally called "2 boxing" meaning you are playing 2 characters at once.</p></blockquote><p>Mmm kay. I still say the auto follow / auto attack charecter is a bot.</p></blockquote><p>By your own definitions and maybe in some circles yes.  But in this arena what he is doing is called 2 boxing, 3 boxing etc... the term bot is used to describe a toon that follows a specific set of scripted responses and actions without the need of human realtime human command.</p><p>Since there are 2 distinctively different things happening then a term had to be created to descibe them differently. I cannot think of a more appropriate description of each.  </p><p>You can "say the aouto follow/ auto attack character is a bot" all you want, but in this arena if you want people to know what you are talking about, you must use the proper terminology.</p>

SweetSynergy
10-19-2007, 01:55 PM
<p><cite></cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunlei wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>  a bot? a bot? No need to call a second or third or any aditional accounts a 'bot'. A 'bot' is a automated character that plays the game without any human interaction, usually a 3rd party program is whats controling the character. Using a 'bot' is cheating and against the EULA. If you are planning using those programs to control a second account, beware other players will report you and soe will ban you if caught.</p><p>Anyways what it seems you are trying to do is play more than one account at the same time, Many people play more than one account at the same time. The simple ones usually have a main character like a tank to pull and hold the mobs and drag around(/follow) a healer. If a third it's usually a high damage easy character like a wizard(nuke, nuke,nuke)</p><p>One week all your kids will be playing beginning characters.Then because you dads are playing their accounts, next time the kids play their characters will be much higher.  Long as you are the ones playing with them, I guess it won't matter to others how good they are with no real playing experience. BTW, please read the eula, you are not supposed to 'share' accounts. I really don't care, however placing a eula breaking text on the games forums doesn't seem like a great idea. </p></blockquote><p>Relevant EULA reference:</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">You may not transfer or share your Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account). You are liable for all activities conducted through the Account, and parents or guardians are liable for the activities of their child. Corporations and other entities are not eligible to procure Accounts.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">So, Yes...the OP has confessed to a EULA viloation.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">SC</span></span></p></blockquote><p>Someone correct me if im wrong here. but if he has an account and is sharing it with a family  member, they can not both play at the same time right? </p><p>1 account can have 8 or 12 characters, ( depending on which account you buy) but you cannot play those characters all at once. </p><p>He said he will be running with his wife and his son, and friend will be running with his son, but on occassions they will have to box one or even 2. </p><p>That suggests to me that if they are all running at the same time, they are 3 separate accounts which is not a violation of the rules. </p><p>As for the botting thing, wrong choice of words is all. He did clarify what he meant.</p><p>In response to the Op.       Warlock is the best Ao damage dealer in the game, hands down.  Of course, you have to have the right gear, spell upgrades and play the class right to get its full potential.  </p><p>Downside to the warlock and wizard classes is that they can take aggro very easily and very quicklly, which again means you have to learn to play them properly to minimize this. </p><p>Best ae scout is the Swashy but assassins can do higher damage. Again, depends on a number of thngs. </p><p>As for the healers,  if I leave my eyepatch on, you cant beat a warden<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />   but in all honesty, I think all healing classes are awesome if played correctly and the groups they're in are sensible. </p><p>I have run in a a whole lot of differnt make up of groups and have found one thing to be true.    The classes in the group dont matter, its the way they're played that makes the difference to survivability and enjoyment.</p><p>Whatever you go with though,   just remember that if people dont enjoy the classes they;re playing, theyre not gonna play it properly whether its considered the best class in the game or not.  So experiment.</p>

StormCinder
10-19-2007, 05:15 PM
<cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><cite></cite></p><p><cite></cite></p><cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunlei wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>  a bot? a bot? No need to call a second or third or any aditional accounts a 'bot'. A 'bot' is a automated character that plays the game without any human interaction, usually a 3rd party program is whats controling the character. Using a 'bot' is cheating and against the EULA. If you are planning using those programs to control a second account, beware other players will report you and soe will ban you if caught.</p><p>Anyways what it seems you are trying to do is play more than one account at the same time, Many people play more than one account at the same time. The simple ones usually have a main character like a tank to pull and hold the mobs and drag around(/follow) a healer. If a third it's usually a high damage easy character like a wizard(nuke, nuke,nuke)</p><p>One week all your kids will be playing beginning characters.Then because you dads are playing their accounts, next time the kids play their characters will be much higher.  Long as you are the ones playing with them, I guess it won't matter to others how good they are with no real playing experience. BTW, please read the eula, you are not supposed to 'share' accounts. I really don't care, however placing a eula breaking text on the games forums doesn't seem like a great idea. </p></blockquote><p>Relevant EULA reference:</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">You may not transfer or share your Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one child to use the Account instead of you (in which case you may not use that Account). You are liable for all activities conducted through the Account, and parents or guardians are liable for the activities of their child. Corporations and other entities are not eligible to procure Accounts.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">So, Yes...the OP has confessed to a EULA viloation.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"><span style="color: #ffffff;">SC</span></span></p></blockquote><p>Someone correct me if im wrong here. but if he has an account and is sharing it with a family  member, they can not both play at the same time right? </p><p>1 account can have 8 or 12 characters, ( depending on which account you buy) but you cannot play those characters all at once. </p><p>He said he will be running with his wife and his son, and friend will be running with his son, but on occassions they will have to box one or even 2. </p><p>That suggests to me that if they are all running at the same time, they are 3 separate accounts which is not a violation of the rules. </p></blockquote><p>Hopefully, if he's running six toons simultaneously he is running on six accounts.  As you say, you cannot play two toons from the same account at the same time.</p><p>The EULA, as quoted above indicates that the account can used by the child <u>or</u> the parent.  But once the parent gives usage of the account to the child, the parent can not use the account.  Also, a parent cannot let a child use his/her account.  So, when the child cannot play, the account should not be used by anyone.</p><p>It's fairly clear.</p><p>SC</p>