Go back to a blue server newb

[Fodslad]

<p>Thats the response I got when I asked why no one helped while myself and others got ganked at the fair. I mean there had to be 6 players  watching me get ganked and they did nothing. I thought PVP evil against good meant you were at war, well the vast majority of the players I have run into I certainly wouldn't want to share a trench with.</p><p> Oh and just to add after being told to go back to a blue server I was told why should I help you out when I will probably just end up dead to. </p><p> By the way I could care less about dying but it sure would be nice to play on a server where both sides were at war as opposed to a race to see who can get the most infamy and to hell with any one else your alligned with.</p><p>(Dons flame resistant suit)</p>

[convict]

<cite>Fodslad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thats the response I got when I asked why no one helped while myself and others got ganked at the fair. I mean there had to be 6 players  watching me get ganked and they did nothing. I thought PVP evil against good meant you were at war, well the vast majority of the players I have run into I certainly wouldn't want to share a trench with.</p><p> Oh and just to add after being told to go back to a blue server I was told why should I help you out when I will probably just end up dead to. </p><p> By the way I could care less about dying but it sure would be nice to play on a server where both sides were at war as opposed to a<b><span style="color: #ff0000;"> race to see who can get the most infamy and to hell with any one else your alligned with.</span></b></p><p>(Dons flame resistant suit)</p></blockquote>That, imo is the biggest problem with eq2 pvp and I cant believe it's lasted this long.

[mattmandude]

I think it also has to do with picking your battles. No point in jumping in if you're clearly outnumbered. Yes, fame might have something to do with it... but honestly, take fame away, it's not smart to do something needless for the sake of dying.

[valkyriepc]

<cite>mattmandude wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it also has to do with picking your battles. No point in jumping in if you're clearly outnumbered. Yes, fame might have something to do with it... but honestly, take fame away, it's not smart to do something needless for the sake of dying.</blockquote>So you die? whoopdie doo. The only reason why dieing is bad is BECAUSE of the infamy / title, gain / loss. We've all seen it, a group of slayers on YOUR team would rather run away than fight another group of slayers picking off solo's / small groups. And its not because they really think they will lose. Its because IF they lose, that could mean their title. Its sad that a silly title in front of your name completely destroy's comradery.

[WeatherMan]

<cite>mattmandude wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think it also has to do with picking your battles. No point in jumping in if you're clearly outnumbered. Yes, fame might have something to do with it... but honestly, take fame away, it's not smart to do something needless for the sake of dying.</blockquote>Just a thought here...What would PvP be like if title, Infamy, and all that wonderful PvP gear were taken away?   Yes, I know this has all been suggested before, but nevertheless, I think it applies to the topic at hand. I think it would distill the essence of PvP down to its raw, basic form.  If you have nothing to lose, it seems to me that it would encourage more PvP, discourage hair-trigger evacs (and similar actions and practices that seem to annoy the multitudes), and (hopefully) remove a great many sources of complaint.As I said, just a thought.

[liveja]

<cite>Fodslad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh and just to add after being told to go back to a blue server I was told why should I help you out when I will probably just end up dead to. </p></blockquote><p>I think it's highly ironic that someone who would say, "Go back to a blue server newb" would then turn around & say, "Why should I help you, when I will probably just end up dead, too."</p><p>I don't PvP any more, but seriously, stories like this make me WANT to try a PvP server, just so I could hunt that kind of player.</p>

[Bozidar]

<p>Sometimes a battle is not worth fighting.</p><p>To the OP - there is a chance... a <i>chance, </i>that the players who didn't help you weren't capable of helping you for a number of reasons.</p><p>1) The players attacking you were way above them in level, so they wouldnt' have been able to make any difference.</p><p>2) The players attacking you were way below their level, so they were unattackable to them.</p><p>3) The players near you were under level 10, and unable to engage in pvp.</p><p>I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's possible</p><p>Also, the quote in my signature, below, is also VERY possible.. (thanks spyderbite.. words of wisdom)</p>

[Naglfar]

<p>It's just that T2 is filled with immature players. </p><p>The answer you get is stupid, no matter what was the situation. A little advice is always more usefull than a rant like this... </p><p>You should just ignore this and try to find helpfull players / guild.</p>

[ThomasGrey]

<cite>Fodslad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> I thought PVP evil against good meant you were at war, well the vast majority of the players I have run into I certainly wouldn't want to share a trench with.</p></blockquote>Game factions mean nothing and this is why FFA generates more meaningful conflict.  You know nothing about the guys in your "faction", where as in an FFA pvp world, you know very well the guys in your guild, because you rely on each other for everything.

[Mighty Melvor]

<cite>Fodslad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thats the response I got when I asked why no one helped while myself and others got ganked at the fair. I mean there had to be 6 players  watching me get ganked and they did nothing. I thought PVP evil against good meant you were at war, well the vast majority of the players I have run into I certainly wouldn't want to share a trench with.</p><p> Oh and just to add after being told to go back to a blue server I was told why should I help you out when I will probably just end up dead to. </p><p> By the way I could care less about dying but it sure would be nice to play on a server where both sides were at war as opposed to a race to see who can get the most infamy and to hell with any one else your alligned with.</p><p>(Dons flame resistant suit)</p></blockquote><p>Just a few thoughts...</p><p>Were the other players in immunity because they had just revived at the fair?  If so, they would have to engage PvE to break it just to help you out <which puts them at a disadvantage>.</p><p>Were the other players even in your PvP range?  If not, how could they possibly help you?</p><p>I see these kind of flames in-game all the time.  It's really sad that the OP decides to grief his own team rather than choke it up and move on.</p>

[Roald]

Go back to a blue server newb.

[Bloodfa]

<p>Lol, saw that coming.  </p><p>Sorry it happened to you, as actions and comments like what you described don't exactly welcome people to PvP with open arms.  If there weren't any actual reasons for somebody acting like that, and they were just doing it to save a title, well, if the talk about locking being changed happens to be true then they're going to be singing a different tune in a few levels.  That aside, though, the best advice you'll get is probably already in one of the topics stickied at the top of the forum.  Getting yourself established in the server is the hardest part.  There are folks willing to help you get established, just send one of us a "Hey, do you have a couple of minutes?" </p>

[Jacien]

<cite>convict wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fodslad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thats the response I got when I asked why no one helped while myself and others got ganked at the fair. I mean there had to be 6 players  watching me get ganked and they did nothing. I thought PVP evil against good meant you were at war, well the vast majority of the players I have run into I certainly wouldn't want to share a trench with.</p><p> Oh and just to add after being told to go back to a blue server I was told why should I help you out when I will probably just end up dead to. </p><p> By the way I could care less about dying but it sure would be nice to play on a server where both sides were at war as opposed to a<b><span style="color: #ff0000;"> race to see who can get the most infamy and to hell with any one else your alligned with.</span></b></p><p>(Dons flame resistant suit)</p></blockquote>That, imo is the <span style="color: #ff99ff;"><u>biggest problem with eq2 pvp and I cant believe it's lasted this long</u></span>.</blockquote>It isn't a problem with EQ2...and it isn't something Sony can fix. Granted, they could remove infamy and titles from the game...but that isn't the underlining issue.It's the player base that's the problem.We took this game they offered us and turned it into what it is today.  We, the players, are responsible for how we, the players, act in the game. Sony...is not.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Pedigru@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>It isn't a problem with EQ2...and it isn't something Sony can fix. Granted, they could remove infamy and titles from the game...but that isn't the underlining issue.It's <strike>the player base that's the problem.</strike> human nature that's the problem.We took this game they offered us and turned it into what it is today.  We, the players, are responsible for how we, the players, act in the game. Sony...is not.</blockquote>^^^ fixed.

[Boruk]

<p>Unfortunatly mate most t2 or DLW pvpers are pricks. Im not being rude but you will see, the twink pvp game is all about me me me. Its not about freps vs Q's, protecting the young by blocking choke points so our young can hunt in piece or defending (( god i miss Daoc pvp back in the day lol )). Its all about the infamy hehe. </p><p>Also untill you run with friends or are guilded dont trust your fellow freeps, they will let you down and the only time they will help you is only when they know your winning so they join in to leech lol. Funny thing ive heard Q might be diffrent. In frep side the solo mentality is rampent but I hear that on Q side grouping is the way to go <Shrugs></p><p>Anyway mate, brush the pricks off and level past DLW and enjoy the game.</p><p>BTW just generalising about t2 pvp and players not every freep is a tool, from 29+ ive noticed a huge change in nagafens pvp community and much to the better</p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Also, the quote in my signature, below, is also VERY possible.. (thanks spyderbite.. words of wisdom)</p></blockquote>Wise fella that Spyder.. XDTo the OP.. Personally.. I think it was all about the title. People who don't care about titles usually don't tote such attitudes. Probably [Removed for Content] cause you were the same faction and he wasn't able to mow you down himself as soon as your immunity wore off.Meh.. regardless of the reason for his hesitance to assist you. The attitude speaks volumes of his personality and you were probably better off without his help anyways. Those types of players are the minority.. just keep that in mind going forward.