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Maeledict
10-06-2007, 01:37 PM
Every time I get a System Message is shows up in every single chat tab I have AND creates a new tab and displays there.  This happens on every character, regardless of server.  Does anyone know which chat channel controls System Messages or how to prevent this from happening?  I've deleted UI settings files, checked/unchecked various channels, moved channels to different tabs, etc.  Nothing seems to work.

Lazell
10-06-2007, 10:31 PM
I have exactly the same problem.  Every system message (and the LON spam is especially frequent and annoying) produces a new chat window on top of my existing windows.  To get rid of it, I have to drag it onto the other windows then remove tab.How do I fix my windows so this never happens again?p.s.  I notice that if I /load_uisettings, then everything except my chat windows reload.  I get the new chat windows, sitting on top of the old chat windows.  Then I have to sort through them and remove tabs again.

calderan
10-13-2007, 12:09 AM
Do we really need multiple SYSTEM MESSAGES spams a night about LDoN that appear in every chat window you have open?  Could you please stop abusing a mechanism that should be used to report important maintence events, etc for pathetic advertising?If you are going to be spamming that useless crap over and over again could you please create a new chat channel for it so we can filter it out? Thanks.

staciest
10-13-2007, 12:09 AM
ok its bad enough we have plat seler sites spamming us nonstop these days sure they added these spam filters etc but that doesnt help when the spam is comming DIRECTLY from SOE  every weekend and maybe once or trwice a week we get spammed for this new legends of norrath tournament signups i mean hell i i wanted to play legends of norrath i would actually sit down and play as would MANY MANY other players we do not need this spam SOE please stop with the spam its annoying

Windowlicker
10-13-2007, 12:10 AM
Seriously, these LoN ads are horribly annoying.  Please setup a way to completely turn off everything LoN related.  Some of us purchased this game to play EQ2, not your overpriced card game.

staciest
10-13-2007, 12:11 AM
omg you msut ahve been spammed jsut as i was i jsut posted a topic somthign like this a sec or 2 ago spam sucks doesnt it especially when comming from soe

Windowlicker
10-13-2007, 12:13 AM
<cite>staciestew wrote:</cite><blockquote>omg you msut ahve been spammed jsut as i was i jsut posted a topic somthign like this a sec or 2 ago spam sucks doesnt it especially when comming from soe </blockquote>I'm raiding atm, and these stupid ads keep popping up an extra chat window every time they broadcast it.  I have it setup like that because I enjoy seeing SYSTEM MESSAGES, not LoN Ads.

Khrunk
10-13-2007, 12:42 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, these LoN ads are horribly annoying.  Please setup a way to completely turn off everything LoN related.  Some of us purchased this game to play EQ2, not your overpriced card game.</blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;">QFE. </span>

Amalthea
10-13-2007, 01:21 AM
The most recent posts regarding this issue have been merged here.  Please post relevant replies in this thread rather than starting new ones.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Troubor
10-13-2007, 01:56 AM
Third week in a row at least that we've seen the LoN spam.  I just sent a /feedback in game, as civil as I could be, telling them that I equate such to gold seller spam, and find their use of the system message to advertise another SOE product to be an abuse of the system message system.  If they MUST do this, then put it on another channel, one we can put on a different tab.  Those interested in such advertising can tab over to it once or twice a day, or leave that channel in their main text window and read the adverts.  Those who aren't can just ignore it.  Way I see it, Eq2players.com and the EQ1 homepages are enough to advert the game as far as adverts to current players and subscribers.  This in game spamming if anything makes me dislike the very idea of the game.  I did play the tutorial and even bought a couple boosters with hopes of hitting some loot cards.  Now...forget it.  If/when I loot my next booster in game, I'm selling it or giving it away, and I'm not buying any more packs for loot cards even if they add more loot cards now.  As for actually playing, I have no interest now at all, due to their spamming.

Troubor
10-13-2007, 01:58 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>staciestew wrote:</cite><blockquote>omg you msut ahve been spammed jsut as i was i jsut posted a topic somthign like this a sec or 2 ago spam sucks doesnt it especially when comming from soe </blockquote>I'm raiding atm, and these stupid ads keep popping up an extra chat window every time they broadcast it.  I have it setup like that because I enjoy seeing SYSTEM MESSAGES, not LoN Ads.</blockquote>Yeah.  I'm hard of hearing, so really can't use Vent or TS, our raid leader has to say something in raid chat or /tell if it's a specific order to me.  I've missed commands in /raidchat due to an LoN spam popping on at the same time.

SugarGirl
10-13-2007, 02:01 AM
<p>Most sites charge a member fee to view their site free of ad banners. Everyone in the Everquest 2 community pays a membership fee and ths should not be so subjected to the incessant junk mail that SOE has been spamming about LoN lately.</p><p>SOE's use of their system message system is disruptive to game play. Their use of this for advertising is in very poor judgement.</p>

Sapphirius
10-13-2007, 03:28 AM
Is it the third week? Or the fourth? I've lost count. I was actually hoping that the devs would have listened after the last hundred or so LON spam posts and not used the system messages to spam LON this weekend. I'm on my warden helping a friend with Claymore in SOS when... yep... LON spam! I like my spam fried and served with mashed potatoes and gravy. Thank you.

Bawang
10-13-2007, 03:49 AM
<p>Sony must be doing desperately bad that they seem to have lost all sense of social responsibilty in the quest for a buck.  Not only do they get young people into gambling by constantly buying tickects with real money in the hope they'll get a good game item.  But they now even harass the players who want nothing to do with LoN trying to get them hooked by hook or by crook.</p>

Cyllus
10-13-2007, 04:15 AM
<span class="postbody"><p>'SOE's use of their system message system is disruptive to game play. Their use of this for advertising is in very poor judgement.'.... snipped.</p>   Yep... I finally get a filter for spam from plat sellers and now I need one for SOE spam. Ummm... ironic ain't it? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div align="right"> </div> <hr />

Thunderthyze
10-13-2007, 04:18 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, these LoN ads are horribly annoying.  Please setup a way to completely turn off everything LoN related.  Some of us purchased this game to play EQ2, <b>not your overpriced card game.</b></blockquote>I agree with your suggestion however since I rarely read chat (much to the chagrin of my guild mates) it isn't THAT disruptive for me. I didn't pay anything for LoN however and if you get the boosters as drops surely it costs nothing at all? Hardly overpriced.

Troubor
10-13-2007, 06:38 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, these LoN ads are horribly annoying.  Please setup a way to completely turn off everything LoN related.  Some of us purchased this game to play EQ2, <b>not your overpriced card game.</b></blockquote>I agree with your suggestion however since I rarely read chat (much to the chagrin of my guild mates) it isn't THAT disruptive for me. I didn't pay anything for LoN however and if you get the boosters as drops surely it costs nothing at all? Hardly overpriced.</blockquote>1)  Overpriced is a relative term.  I guess if you don't play it, or if you do play but only use the starter deck given to everyone and never buy additional boosters, it isn't overpriced, IF you don't consider their spamming a form of paying for the game too.  But for someone who does play past any casual level at all, it is overpriced if you compare to other collectable card games.  They are charging the same for their booster packs, from what I've seen, that a tabletop CCG would charge, yet one can keep the actual physical cardboard cards.  2)  The booster drops as in game loot are VERY rare, at least in my experience.  I've had exactly one drop, and that was during a weekend where they claimed they increased card drop rates.  The in game card drops for someone who actually plays this game is very far from enough to support them with extra cards, at best it's a very occasional "bonus" for them.  3)  Simply because you rarely read chat doesn't mean that it isn't disruptive in general, nor does it discount the experience of others who find it disruptive.  As I stated in one post, I'm hard of hearing, my only choice for in game communication is via chat channels, Vent and TS is basically not an option.  For me it's extremely disruptive.  Apparently for others without my situation, it is too, if they are complaining.  Maybe this isn't your intent..but then again if it isn't, I don't know why you'd mention that it isn't that disruptive for you, but please don't discount that it is disruptive for many people, and for some like me truly hinders game play, even if just for a moment.

SugarGirl
10-13-2007, 07:29 AM
I don't think he was disagreeing about the messaging being disruptive Troubor.. I think he disagreed that LON was over priced.

Lasai
10-13-2007, 07:35 AM
<cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think he was disagreeing about the messaging being disruptive Troubor.. I think he disagreed that LON was over priced.</blockquote><p>Even Free, it's overpriced just for the constant irritation of 10 min downloads of LoN materials at random, unannounced times.   I got kicked tonight in FG just as an ornate dropped, due to the STUPID unannounced LoN patch I lost the chest, it burned up before I could log back in.</p><p>Getting really really sick of LoN in all of its permutations, the constant downloads I don't want and the system spam I don't need.</p>

SugarGirl
10-13-2007, 07:45 AM
<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think he was disagreeing about the messaging being disruptive Troubor.. I think he disagreed that LON was over priced.</blockquote><p>Even Free, it's overpriced just for the constant irritation of 10 min downloads of LoN materials at random, unannounced times.   I got kicked tonight in FG just as an ornate dropped, due to the STUPID unannounced LoN patch I lost the chest, it burned up before I could log back in.</p><p>Getting really really sick of LoN in all of its permutations, the constant downloads I don't want and the system spam I don't need.</p></blockquote><p>Oh don't get me wrong.. I am TOTALLY against SOE on this one. I didn't gripe when they put LON in the game. I dodn't gripe when the servers were continually down for LON updates. I didn't even gripe on "Crash Day".... but the spam as of late has def put me in the gripe zone. </p><p>We all know all too well that this stupid card game exists. Now I wish they'd just *#^@&* shut up about it already. If I wanted advertising, I'd go surf the web.</p>

Troubor
10-13-2007, 09:57 AM
<cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think he was disagreeing about the messaging being disruptive Troubor.. I think he disagreed that LON was over priced.</blockquote><p>Maybe so, although I again ask why did he or she post that it wasn't disruptive to him?  Regardless, I also did address the overpriced issue.  Perhaps it was poorly worded, but to quote myself:</p><p>"1)  Overpriced is a relative term.  I guess if you don't play it, or if you do play but only use the starter deck given to everyone and never buy additional boosters, it isn't overpriced, IF you don't consider their spamming a form of paying for the game too.  But for someone who does play past any casual level at all, it is overpriced if you compare to other collectable card games.  They are charging the same for their booster packs, from what I've seen, that a tabletop CCG would charge, yet one can keep the actual physical cardboard cards.  2)  The booster drops as in game loot are VERY rare, at least in my experience.  I've had exactly one drop, and that was during a weekend where they claimed they increased card drop rates.  The in game card drops for someone who actually plays this game is very far from enough to support them with extra cards, at best it's a very occasional "bonus" for them."</p><p>I probably wasn't clear.  What I was trying to say is ignoring the free starter deck anyone can claim, they are charging the same for virtual cards that a tabletop game would charge for real ones.  I also pointed out that the drop rate for the ingame looted cards is much too low to truly include that with discussion if it's free or not, someone wanting more cards to play can't count on such a drop rate to supply them.  Mind you, I only go by personal experience, perhaps my luck has been exceptionally bad on ingame card deck drop rates.  Thus, my point with the first part of my paragraph is that IMO they are overpriced since one doesn't physically have the cards, and it's moot to bring up mob dropped cards since that drop rate is too low to matter.</p><p>As an aside, I do feel that downloaded software should be cheaper then a physical copy of the software, thus some of the basis for my "no, it is overpriced" arguement.  If people don't agree with that, then I suppose they would disagree with my arguement in general.</p><p>Anyway, this is probably derailing it a bit.  Let's get back to trying to tell SOE to STOP THE SPAMMING (Hint-hint) and hope third time, as in third weekend is a charm.  I WILL do a /feedback each and every time I see it, or if busy as soon as I can take a break to do it.  If that means 4 or 5 times a day, so be it.</p>

Vinlesu
10-13-2007, 11:35 AM
So SOE put in spam filters to get rid of eveyone elses spam so they can put in their own spam. Only thing to do right now is a /report everytime they spam reporting the spam, maybe they'll do something about it when it starts taking their time and money to have someone go through all the /reports.

ke'la
10-13-2007, 11:46 AM
<cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, these LoN ads are horribly annoying.  Please setup a way to completely turn off everything LoN related.  Some of us purchased this game to play EQ2, <b>not your overpriced card game.</b></blockquote>I agree with your suggestion however since I rarely read chat (much to the chagrin of my guild mates) it isn't THAT disruptive for me. I didn't pay anything for LoN however and if you get the boosters as drops surely it costs nothing at all? Hardly overpriced.</blockquote><p>1)  Overpriced is a relative term.  I guess if you don't play it, or if you do play but only use the starter deck given to everyone and never buy additional boosters, it isn't overpriced, IF you don't consider their spamming a form of paying for the game too.  But for someone who does play past any casual level at all, it is overpriced if you compare to other collectable card games.  They are charging the same for their booster packs, from what I've seen, that a tabletop CCG would charge, yet one can keep the actual physical cardboard cards.  </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Accually its cheaper then most Table Top and other <b>ONLINE NO PHYSICAL CARD TCGs</b> so its hardly overpriced, this argument was discussed and proven to be false awhile ago. For Exsample MTG Online costs over $4 a pack(and no you don't get real MTG cards), others are about that same price.</span></p><p> 2)  The booster drops as in game loot are VERY rare, at least in my experience.  I've had exactly one drop, and that was during a weekend where they claimed they increased card drop rates.  The in game card drops for someone who actually plays this game is very far from enough to support them with extra cards, at best it's a very occasional "bonus" for them.  </p><p><span style="color: #cc0000;">Here you are correct, any claim that SoE made that said it does not cost you anything to play, while techincally correct(you can play with just the free starter deck they give you) is more or less blown out of the water when you see that (on my server) it costs like 6p to get 1 booster pack, wich means its rarer then most Fabled Iteams.</span></p><p>3)  Simply because you rarely read chat doesn't mean that it isn't disruptive in general, nor does it discount the experience of others who find it disruptive.  As I stated in one post, I'm hard of hearing, my only choice for in game communication is via chat channels, Vent and TS is basically not an option.  For me it's extremely disruptive.  Apparently for others without my situation, it is too, if they are complaining.  Maybe this isn't your intent..but then again if it isn't, I don't know why you'd mention that it isn't that disruptive for you, but please don't discount that it is disruptive for many people, and for some like me truly hinders game play, even if just for a moment.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">I also agree here that they should not be using a tool designed specifically to be disrutive(its suposed to anounce servers going down and the like) to repeatadly anounce a touriment for a card game that the majority of thier players do not play. I play LoN and think it is alot of fun and as such I am fully aware that they are having another test tournyment this weekend(and I am shure most other LoN players are also aware of it), I don't need reminders in System Message.</span></p></blockquote><p>I personally think that you did the right thing in that earlier post of yours and calmly and as politly as possable /feedbacked them your discontent with the system message and I encurage everyone who has or intends to post here to do that (and post here) as well. The reason for that is because /feedbacks go strait to the Devs(eventhough they are currently upto thier eyeballs in RoK work) while posts here are filtered though the Community Managment People. </p><p>Personally, I think they should delay testing the LoN Tourneyment System until RoK and SoF(the EQ1 expaintion) are both launched next month. Either that or just stop using system messages for that info and instead use a World Wide channel that people can get thier LoN news in.</p>

ke'la
10-13-2007, 11:53 AM
<cite>Vinlesu wrote:</cite><blockquote>So SOE put in spam filters to get rid of eveyone elses spam so they can put in their own spam. Only thing to do right now is a /report everytime they spam reporting the spam, maybe they'll do something about it when it starts taking their time and money to have someone go through all the /reports.</blockquote><p>DO NOT /report it because that won't occplish anything, but anoying the GMs and delaying thier ablity to deal with issues reguarding conflicts between players wich is what /report is for. </p><p>Instead do what <b>Troubor</b> is doing and /feedback everytime it instead that is the one that you use when you have an issue with something SoE is doing(good or bad) and to give sugjestions on improving it. Just besure and be civil as possable, devs are people too.</p>

Windowlicker
10-13-2007, 01:03 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously, these LoN ads are horribly annoying.  Please setup a way to completely turn off everything LoN related.  Some of us purchased this game to play EQ2, <b>not your overpriced card game.</b></blockquote>I agree with your suggestion however since I rarely read chat (much to the chagrin of my guild mates) it isn't THAT disruptive for me. I didn't pay anything for LoN however and if you get the boosters as drops surely it costs nothing at all? Hardly overpriced.</blockquote>Ok, you pay the same dollars to actually purchase *real cards* for other card games.  For LoN you pay the same price for "Virtual Cards".  There's a huge difference with that.  Since LoN has gone live I have yet to see any cards drop, for myself or anyone I know in any group I've been in.  That's fine, because I don't think LoN has a place ANYWHERE in this game.Some of us purchased EQ2 to play *gasp* Everquest 2.  I'm perfectly fine with the fact they *have* LoN, but stop trying to ram it down my throat.  I don't want to play, and I don't want it disrupting MY gameplay.I have a right to be ticked off about these ads as does anyone else.  It's great if they want to get their little card game off the ground, but figure out another way to do it where they arent' disrupting gameplay.The game isn't very immersive when all chat channels are suddenly spammed with "OMG OMG OMG LON PLAY LON BUY MORE CARDS BUY BUY BUY SPEND SPEND SPEND"All I'm saying is turn it off.

Troubor
10-13-2007, 02:52 PM
<p>ke'la wrote this in part, I quote below.  Since she quoted me, the part she wrote in reply to me is <span style="color: #cc0000;">in red</span>:</p><p>"1)  Overpriced is a relative term.  I guess if you don't play it, or if you do play but only use the starter deck given to everyone and never buy additional boosters, it isn't overpriced, IF you don't consider their spamming a form of paying for the game too.  But for someone who does play past any casual level at all, it is overpriced if you compare to other collectable card games.  They are charging the same for their booster packs, from what I've seen, that a tabletop CCG would charge, yet one can keep the actual physical cardboard cards.  </p><p><span style="color: #cc0000;">Accually its cheaper then most Table Top and other <b>ONLINE NO PHYSICAL CARD TCGs</b> so its hardly overpriced, this argument was discussed and proven to be false awhile ago. For Exsample MTG Online costs over $4 a pack(and no you don't get real MTG cards), others are about that same price</span>."</p><p>My reply:  I'll make one last comment on why I feel it's overpriced, since I don't want to derail this to that, but to me the other online games, if they are charging as much as a table top game for cards are overpriced too then.  But as I said, overpriced is a relative term.  Regardless of if you agree about the cards themselves being overpriced or not, to me the spamming via the System message is in effect a "charge" to us too.  We're already paying our monthly fee, let alone the inital fee of buying all the software to play this game.  SOE already has webpages in place to advertise the game.  To me, we're "paying" each time the system message is misused to advertise the game.  SOE needs to advertise more OUTSIDE of the game for all of their products, like in magazines, online game sites, so forth.  But in game, they only alienate us.  I wonder what's next, advertsing Vanguard, or EQ1 or SWG in our system message?  I'm halfway expecting this now.</p><p>Anyway, going to continue to send civil /feedback each and every time they spam us, explaining why I am annoyed, and why i feel it's wrong in general.  With the faint hope they get a clue.  </p>

Sapphirius
10-13-2007, 03:02 PM
My head hurts. I need chocolate.

Killerbee3000
10-13-2007, 03:40 PM
restrict in the chat options in how many windows / tabs you see system messages.... honestly, the only system messages we get (other than spam for lon) are downtime announcments... and we all know after almost 3 years anyway when the servers will go down... i know its fighting the sypmtoms instead of curing the plague... but better than nothing....

Vonotar
10-13-2007, 03:48 PM
<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>restrict in the chat options in how many windows / tabs you see system messages.... honestly, the only system messages we get (other than spam for lon) are downtime announcments... and we all know after almost 3 years anyway when the servers will go down... i know its fighting the sypmtoms instead of curing the plague... but better than nothing.... </blockquote>How?System messages go to all Chat Windows, regardless of how you have configured your chat settings.  They have us over a barrel in that respect, even if you close every chat window the system message would cause one to appear.

Killerbee3000
10-13-2007, 05:08 PM
you cant turn em off completly, yes, thats correct, but, you can have them turned off everywhere except for one place, and that one place can be where you have your combat spam or another place you dont regularly look at....

Sapphirius
10-13-2007, 05:28 PM
<p>Please, killerbee, tell me which option under the chat window is the one for system messages? Don't just tell me that I <i>can </i>do it. Tell me <i><b>how</b></i> I can do it. Walk me through it step by step.</p><p>I have 5 windows, and in those windows, one is only chat channels with nothing else checked. One is only combat for outgoing damage. One is only combat for outgoing healing. One is miscellaneous stuff, and one is my guild, group, nearsay chat. There is no option in the Chat Options menu to turn the system messages off... as it should be because those are for important updates and notices, such as the servers going down unexpectedly.</p><p>If you have figured out a way to turn these messages off, please tell the rest of us <i>what</i> you did so that we can do it too.</p>

Wyrmypops
10-13-2007, 10:03 PM
<p>Far as I'm concerned, LoN is not any kind of game I'd want to touch with a barge pole. CCG players are the ugliest group of gamers at any gencon I've attended. The purchasing of card packs making for superior decks is of dubious merit. I'd rather a stand alone game been added, like Gems. But all that's irrelevant and subjective, it's not for me so I couldn't give a flying one for anything to do with it.  </p><p>It's a seperate game, not a part of EQ2. A LoN tournament is not an EQ2 system issue, so not deserving of being a system message. Spamming customers is an abhorrent business practice. </p><p>Targetted advertising is surely more productive in generating interest, and less likely to annoy those customers that don't want to know. Create a LoN chat tag, so folk can choose where they see heads up messages about it or not at all. </p><p>There's a retail truism that a happy customer may tell 1 person about their experience, an unhappy customer is likely to tell about 9. Don't make a habit of annoying your customers SOE, you'll lose them.  </p>

Hamervelder
10-13-2007, 10:16 PM
Adding my voice to this thread.  I do not want to see announcements concerning LoN.  I hate the cardgame, and do not want to be bothered with it in any way.  That includes not having to download the LoN updates.

SugarGirl
10-14-2007, 07:27 AM
<p>Using Profit UI, this message shows up in every chat tab I have open. Can't they just spam the default game channel?</p><p>Has anyone found a way to filter it to one tab. It's very annoying.</p>

Rijacki
10-14-2007, 11:34 AM
<cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Using Profit UI, this message shows up in every chat tab I have open. Can't they just spam the default game channel?</p><p> Has anyone found a way to filter it to one tab. It's very annoying.</p></blockquote>That's by design for important system messages (i.e. the server is coming down at [time]) so people can't miss them.However, using the system message system for advertisements is a misuse of the system.  It makes -real- system messages ignored since people will think it's more advertisement crap -and- it pushes advertisements in the face of everyone.

Vonotar
10-14-2007, 11:36 AM
<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>you cant turn em off completly, yes, thats correct, but, you can have them turned off everywhere except for one place, and that one place can be where you have your combat spam or another place you dont regularly look at.... </blockquote>No you can'tIt's a SYSTEM MESSAGE and these have been harded coded to go to every chat window currently open (and those you forgot about in the background too).  They hard coded this some time ago because of the number of people who claimed they hadn't seen a downtime message because it didn't appear in a tab they were looking at.

Windowlicker
10-14-2007, 12:33 PM
I'm seriously about two seconds from creating a brand new thread in this forum each and every time Sony spams me with this LoN crap.

Sapphirius
10-14-2007, 12:37 PM
<huggles>?

Killerbee3000
10-14-2007, 12:46 PM
<cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>you cant turn em off completly, yes, thats correct, but, you can have them turned off everywhere except for one place, and that one place can be where you have your combat spam or another place you dont regularly look at.... </blockquote>No you can'tIt's a SYSTEM MESSAGE and these have been harded coded to go to every chat window currently open (and those you forgot about in the background too).  They hard coded this some time ago because of the number of people who claimed they hadn't seen a downtime message because it didn't appear in a tab they were looking at.</blockquote>i dont know how i've done it lol... but i dont get system messages, atleast not in a tab i ever look at....

Troubor
10-14-2007, 01:21 PM
<p>Well, I've gone out of my way to look, to click on everything, logical and otherwise to move the System Messages off my main tab to try and avoid these LoN messages now, and nothing.</p><p>Having said that, even if there is some hidden way that you stumbled upon, and the others haven't..this still doesn't solve much.</p><p>If the System Messages are moved to their own tab, then that means a REAL one announcing a server pulldown, scheduled or emergency is missed by those trying to dodge their spamming of the LoN tourney.  Those who don't want to move the System Messages so they don't miss one of actual importance are still stuck with this spam.</p><p>Again, they need to either just stop using the System Messages to advert LoN, or move it to a chat channel called "Advert" or "LoN News" or whatever they want to call it, so people can put that on it's own Tab or ignore it.  They can then post to their hearts content about LoN, people interested in the game can turn on that channel.  People who aren't can move it to a new tab or just shut it off as they see fit.  What I've been /feedbacking each and every time.  With luck, one of these times will finally be heard.  Or they will ban me for spamming feedback (insert eyeroll).  But, I've been civil and told them after the first one on any given weekend that I do plan on multiple feedbacks if I see more then one LoN system message spam, so at least they know so to speak.</p>

Seffrid
10-14-2007, 02:41 PM
<p>I too am sick of the regular ingame advertising and the downloading of patch files for something that I have zero interest in.</p><p>I put up with both, however, because I do benefit from the potential to make some serious plat off the broker from card drops, although I've only had the one starter deck drop to date. That's a quid pro quo I'm prepared to accept. I suspect that most critics of the card game are being a tad hypocritical in that respect and don't trash any cards they loot but put them on the broker before coming here to complain that they get nothing from the card game and therefore don't want to be bothered by announcements about it.</p><p>However, the use of the System Message facility for ingame advertising of a Sony product is another matter altogether, and is a clear and flagrant abuse. As others have said, it is scarcely different to using System Messages for gold selling or Station Exchange adverts.</p><p>I support the idea of a separate chat option together with a separate download option for all things to do with the card game and then I can choose whether to enable those options or not.</p>

Mooty
10-14-2007, 02:42 PM
Agreed. It is annoying as hell. Get rid of it already!

liveja
10-14-2007, 02:54 PM
<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Magnamundian wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>you cant turn em off completly, yes, thats correct, but, you can have them turned off everywhere except for one place, and that one place can be where you have your combat spam or another place you dont regularly look at....</blockquote>No you can'tIt's a SYSTEM MESSAGE and these have been harded coded to go to every chat window currently open (and those you forgot about in the background too).  They hard coded this some time ago because of the number of people who claimed they hadn't seen a downtime message because it didn't appear in a tab they were looking at.</blockquote>i dont know how i've done it lol... but i dont get system messages, atleast not in a tab i ever look at.... </blockquote><p>I don't know how you did it, either, since they are HARD CODED. I've never yet found a way to turn them off, so if you have, please share.</p><p>Trust me: I've looked.</p>

liveja
10-14-2007, 02:56 PM
<cite>Seffrid wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>However, the use of the System Message facility for ingame advertising of a Sony product is another matter altogether, and is a clear and flagrant abuse.</p></blockquote>Absurd. SOE has every right to advertise THEIR PRODUCT on THEIR CHANNELS. Trying to compare this to plat seller spam is comparing apples to hand grenades.

Mooty
10-14-2007, 02:57 PM
SOE. Get rid of the lame LoN SYSTEM MESSAGES! It is annoying, disruptive and is interfering with my enjoyment of the game. Non SOE people: Id guess spreading the word on how to let SOE know this is a crappy thing to do and is making alot of their customers unhappy. /feedback, forum posts, whatever. Form a Union, start a petition...

Sapphirius
10-14-2007, 03:14 PM
<cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There's a retail truism that a happy customer may tell 1 person about their experience, an unhappy customer is likely to tell about 9.</p></blockquote>Words of wisdom...

Thunderthyze
10-15-2007, 03:50 AM
<cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think he was disagreeing about the messaging being disruptive Troubor.. I think he disagreed that LON was over priced.</blockquote><p>Maybe so, although I again ask why did he or she post that it wasn't disruptive to him?  Regardless, I also did address the overpriced issue.  </p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the support Sugar. Troub....you are TOTALLY overreacting to what I said. My comments were MY perspective. What I said was that it was NOT disruptive to ME. I did NOT say that therefore everyone else should adhere to MY point of view (unlike YOU?). The point of discussion surely is that people air THEIR opinions and the concensus then can be gauged.</p><p>For you to tell ME why I should be [Removed for Content] off (when obviously I am not) is allowing ZERO respect for others opinions. Try taking things a little less personally and the discussions may then become a little more constructive.</p><p>Sheesh!</p>

liveja
10-15-2007, 09:30 AM
<p>I don't think the messages come quite often enough to qualify as "spam". One message in each of my two chat windows, every couple of hours, is not very disruptive over the long run.</p><p>But it's quite disruptive at the time the message actually comes, especially for those of us who have no interest in the tournament, & not much more in LoN itself.</p>

Kendricke
10-15-2007, 09:35 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don't think the messages come quite often enough to qualify as "spam". One message in each of my two chat windows, every couple of hours, is not very disruptive over the long run.</p><p>But it's quite disruptive at the time the message actually comes, especially for those of us who have no interest in the tournament, & not much more in LoN itself.</p></blockquote><p>Most of the "spam" I receive in my email inbox is something I only receive from that sender only once or twice ever, but I still consider it spam.  For me, it's less of an issue of frequency of receipt, and more of an issue of the mass nature of the request.  </p><p>After all, I tend to receive gold selling spam only once - maybe twice -  from any particular sender, but I'm still fairly certain the message qualifies as spam in that case.  </p>

cr0wangel
10-15-2007, 11:18 AM
<cite>Seffrid wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I too am sick of the regular ingame advertising and the downloading of patch files for something that I have zero interest in.</p></blockquote>Same feeling. I don't play LoN, LoN should be an optional download for the players and stop the spam, I don't care of the tournaments + you spam this the weekend, when people play the most, stop that.

Rijacki
10-15-2007, 11:49 AM
They're abusing and misusing the System Message system. Not only are they annoying a large percentage of the players, they're also conditioning all players to ignore the really important messages (i.e. the server is coming down at...). SOE announcements should have a different colour and should only be in ONE window. If they want to make required for that one (i.e. cannot be turned off), even that would be better than the present misuse and abuse of the current system.

Vinh
10-15-2007, 12:08 PM
Yes, PLEASE STOP THE SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand the need to get important messages across, but the constant spamming of your LoN ads is ridiculous. If people want in, they already know how to enter. If you want to junk up our mailboxes, that's fine too, but the constant spamming is uncalled for. If you are going to spam tournaments, do it within LoN, not within EQ, they are your target audience. PLEASE STOP THE SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Malkosha
10-15-2007, 12:11 PM
<p>Lets count how mnay people KNOW about the card game.</p><p>One ... Two ... One Hundred Thousand seven ... One Hundred Thousand Eight ....</p><p>Yep. I think we all get it. Please keep the messages about LoN as a choice in the chat options that can be toggled On/Off.</p><p>Thank you!</p>

Kenazeer
10-15-2007, 01:14 PM
<p>This deals with e-mail spam, but is generally appropriate to this discussion. (From Spamhaus web site <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.spamhaus.org/index.lasso" target="_blank">http://www.spamhaus.org/index.lasso</a>).</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">"Spam is an issue about <b>consent, not content</b>. Whether the...message is an advert, a scam, [Removed for Content], a begging letter or an offer of a free lunch, the content is irrelevant - <b>if the message was sent unsolicited and in bulk then the message is spam</b>."</span></p><p>The pertinent points are that spam is unsolicited and sent in bulk, and I beleive that the LoN broadcasts meet that definition even if they are only on weekends and only a few a day.</p><p>Edited to add: Before anyone brings up that regular system messages, say like the servers going down, are also unsolicited and in bulk, I will say common sense allows for the distinction between dissemination of pertinent info and what essentially amounts to an advertisement. Would one characterize a door to door salesman in the same class as a water company employee going through your neighborhood alerting folks to a boil water advisory?</p>

Twoboxer2
10-15-2007, 04:41 PM
<cite>Kenazeer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Before anyone brings up that regular system messages, say like the servers going down, are also unsolicited and in bulk, I will say common sense allows for the distinction between dissemination of pertinent info and what essentially amounts to an advertisement.</p></blockquote>Then, pray tell, why post a silly, inadequate definition of "spam' as if it were something important.

Sapphirius
10-15-2007, 04:45 PM
I'm thinking he posted it because there was some disagreement about whether or not the LON advertisements counted as spam. I don't care if it's spam or not. They need to quit using the system messages to advertise it.

interstellarmatter
10-15-2007, 05:22 PM
I petition a GM about the spam.  We had an interesting argument.  When he realized that I was reporting his employer, he tried to clarify the definition of spam.  So, I tried to clarify the definition of spam back to him.  In the end, I backed off because could tell that I was getting him mad.  Didn't want to get suspended <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Troubor
10-16-2007, 01:54 AM
<cite>[email protected] wrote this, I reply in <span style="color: #cc0000;">red</span>:</cite><blockquote><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think he was disagreeing about the messaging being disruptive Troubor.. I think he disagreed that LON was over priced.</blockquote><p>Maybe so, although I again ask why did he or she post that it wasn't disruptive to him?  Regardless, I also did address the overpriced issue.  </p></blockquote><p>Thanks for the support Sugar. Troub....you are TOTALLY overreacting to what I said.  ...</p></blockquote><span style="color: #cc0000;">Well, I will concede that I did overreact to some degree.  Having said that, It WASN'T my intent to squelch your opinion nor not allow you to voice a differing one to mine.  I did ask why you posted it wasn't disruptive, and I admit my question implies you might have an ulterior motive.  But at the same time my intent was NEVER to say "Oh, you cannot voice such, nor that you must not ever disagree with me".  To say or imply such I find insulting.  I would ask you also reflect and see if you also overreacted to what I said.  Anyway, feel free to have the final reply to this if you want.  After this, if I reply in this thread it will be only on the issue of LoN spam, if/when I see such again.</span>

Troubor
10-16-2007, 01:59 AM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>I petition a GM about the spam.  We had an interesting argument.  When he realized that I was reporting his employer, he tried to clarify the definition of spam.  So, I tried to clarify the definition of spam back to him.  In the end, I backed off because could tell that I was getting him mad.  Didn't want to get suspended <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Yes..as much as I considered reporting it to a GM also, I know this would go nowhere.  Either a)  I'd get some of the outsourced tech support in Asia, and just get canned replies or b)  I'd get someone, outsourced or not who might be willing to truly talk to me, but would just be annoyed.  Finally, what can the GM do about it?  They aren't the ones posting the system message, and they can't shut it off for spamming.  Their hands are just as tied as ours might be, even if one might be on for a few hours, see the same system message spam we do, and then be just as annoyed.</p><p>Said this a few times before, but IMO the best recourse is to a)  file polite, civil /feedback with suggestions as to what might be less annoying each time one sees the LoN spam and b)  If this thead or one like it has been locked or bumped off the first page, make ONE new one for this weekend's spamming.  If it's still active, use this one to post such.  But don't make a new thread, it doesn't do much to have multiple threads on the topic, and from what I've seen the moderators have been consolidating the additional ones into one "megathread" anyway.  Or at least consolidate one week's worth of complaints and comments into a thread.</p>

Zeblade
10-17-2007, 12:14 PM
Hmmm spam? The only msg I see was the ones talking about something happening on SAT, SUN. Other than that I dont get any thing. You would have just as much luck asking them to stop posting MSG of the day lol. Its their game they have a right to post msg just as much as everyone else. Then I read someone petition a GM about the system message? Please, the definition of spam? We all know what it is and a system msg is not spam. I had NO idea what was happening and I like seeing that msg when they have something going on

AinaFV
10-17-2007, 01:19 PM
You think the spam is bad now?Wait until they have LoN tournaments running 24/7.

Wyrmypops
10-17-2007, 01:34 PM
<cite>Zeblade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm spam? The only msg I see was the ones talking about something happening on SAT, SUN. Other than that I dont get any thing. You would have just as much luck asking them to stop posting MSG of the day lol. Its their game they have a right to post msg just as much as everyone else. Then I read someone petition a GM about the system message? Please, the definition of spam? We all know what it is and a system msg is not spam. I had NO idea what was happening and I like seeing that msg when they have something going on</blockquote><p>Indeed. Except, the LoN Tournament announcements are announcement for LoN, a seperate game. What they are <i>not</i> are system message for EQ2 so it should not be spammed to us as if it is. The system message tag should be reserved for system messages. </p><p>Though the irritation comes from having no means to get rid of the LoN tournament announcement going to all chat windows, or having to read them at all if one has already decided LoN is of no interest at all. </p><p>If they had it as a message of the day, that'd be fine - a gentle heads up soon ignored. Or created a LoN chat tag for announcements such as these, that folk could choose which chat window they were displayed in or not at all. But makes no bones about it, what we've got so far<i> is</i> spam.</p>

Sapphirius
10-17-2007, 01:48 PM
<cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Though the irritation comes from having no means to get rid of the LoN tournament announcement going to all chat windows, or having to read them at all if one has already decided LoN is of no interest at all. </p></blockquote>That is <i>exactly</i> where my irritation comes from.

cr0wangel
10-17-2007, 05:01 PM
Sometimes they send 1 message per hour, make my eyes bleed. You think it's an important message but nooooooooo, it's LoN again and again.

ShashLigai
10-17-2007, 05:08 PM
<p>Its likely that EQ2 currently has a larger than usual number of returning and new players and from a business persepective it makes sense to increase advertising at this time. Its also likely that the volume of LoN spam should decline after the RoK release and once the newness wears off of LoN.</p><p>just my 2 cents.</p>

Troubor
10-20-2007, 02:47 PM
<cite>ShashLigai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Its likely that EQ2 currently has a larger than usual number of returning and new players and from a business persepective it makes sense to increase advertising at this time. Its also likely that the volume of LoN spam should decline after the RoK release and once the newness wears off of LoN.</p><p>just my 2 cents.</p></blockquote><p>Well, yes and no.  There's still the issue on if using the System Message channel for such is an abuse of said channel.  In my eyes, it is.  If nothing else, it might cause people to tune out that channel in their mind, expecting it to be just spam/advertising, and thus miss a true system message about a last minute server pulldown or some such.  Finally, there is still the customer base that didn't leave.  Is it worth it advertising LoN to the new and returning players if it alienates what seems to be a decent sized portion of their current players?</p><p>Anyway, my real reason for posting in this thread is to 'bump" it, it was only on page two anyway.  Just got a LoN advert on LDL server...or to be more accurate, the second half of the message.  The first half they didn't even broadcast properly.  Anyway, figure if they are still spamming it, a thread about it should still be active.  I did send in a /feedback explaining how I felt this was a misuse of the system message, and put in some suggestions, again keeping it civil.  Sure it's a waste of time to do so, this is SOE...but maybe for once they will get the hint.</p>

Eboj
10-20-2007, 07:16 PM
ok, here's the deal, according to eq2players website, the lon tournaments are restricted to us residents. but, soe think its necessary to advertise it even on uk servers... there is no reason for this... can they pls just stop? thx.

joeygopher
10-20-2007, 07:41 PM
i've got an old obsolete chat tab with no chat ticked in it.  so nothing should show.  but still every time we get the spam not only does it flood all my normal tabs, it opens this spare one in the middle of my screen.  great for those moments when you've just got adds in SoF.

joeygopher
10-20-2007, 08:02 PM
<p>hey you mean your server isn't closed for a GU / random patch / US holiday?</p>

Amalthea
10-20-2007, 09:32 PM
I've merged the "Yes, another thread about lon advertisments...." thread with this one.Please don't start new threads on a topic when there's already an active thread about it.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Zorastiz
10-20-2007, 09:43 PM
<p>Just stop whining about everything, channel spam, they nerfed me, boo hoo </p><p>Bloody kids nowadays!</p>

Windowlicker
10-20-2007, 10:28 PM
It's nice that they aren't spamming us every 5 mins now, but I'd like the option to turn them off completely.

Troubor
10-21-2007, 12:05 AM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just stop whining about everything, channel spam, they nerfed me, boo hoo </p><p>Bloody kids nowadays!</p></blockquote>Tell you what, when you complain about a topic that's important to you, I'll tell you to stop the whining.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Gnevil
10-21-2007, 02:08 AM
<p>It's great that they put in the spam filter for individuals spamming us trying to sell a product important to them.  </p><p>Please allow us to put your SYSTEM MESSAGE SPAM in the ignored category to.  Those that play LoN can leave it unfiltered, those like me that couldn't give a small rodents [Removed for Content] about this silly worthless useless annoying game and it's spam can just click it off. </p><p>There see how easy this is to please your entire player base??</p>

Wyrmypops
10-21-2007, 02:59 AM
Got it again tonight. It produced a bout of swearing in teamspeak by just about everyone with a tongue. I don't think it's doing SOE any favours. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Enever
10-21-2007, 03:02 AM
yes STOP THE SYSTEM MESSAGE SPAM.I get tired of seeing it -every- freaking weekend.

Skua
10-21-2007, 03:12 AM
ya is getting old....anyway LON sux .....i dont care about LON please let me putt off.....scares me...server going off!!!! oh no LON gling x2!!!

Jasuo
10-21-2007, 03:20 AM
<p>I /reported it, /feedbacked it and am now doing this to make you people hopefully understand ...</p><p> We're honestly all tired of the system message spam, it is interrupting gaming by making chat windows appear over my screen everytime this company sends an unneeded message which is against the EULA, please follow your own rules.  If you want us to know about your little events please use the official forums for such announcements.</p>

Thunderthyze
10-21-2007, 06:15 AM
<cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just stop whining about everything, channel spam, they nerfed me, boo hoo </p><p>Bloody kids nowadays!</p></blockquote>Tell you what, when you complain about a topic that's important to you, I'll tell you to stop the whining.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote><p>Troub I know you feel strongly about this but here is MY experience. I am online almost every day.....to some degree or other...usually at least for an hour stretch at a time. Last night was the FIRST time I had ever been aware of the LoN system messages. I would agree that they could do away with the "bong bong bong" as it makes you read it in case its notice of a server shut down but otherwise I couldn't give that much of a stuff.</p><p>Leave it with the yellow text maybe but get rid of the "bong bong bong". Maybe that is the compromise you could petition for? If you are getting the system message more regularly than once a night (if that) then that is more than I am getting. Maybe the RP servers...AB and LDL are getting it spammed more regularly?</p><p>Not looking for an argument, just giving you someone else's experience. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

Somniloquy
10-21-2007, 06:33 AM
I dont care if it displays or not really. It would be nice to have the group/raid channel free from it though.Even if SoE want to cntinue the all-channel spam regardless at least stop creating a new chat tab with it,that smacks of BUG to me.  If it is deliberate then I fear for the future of this game.This sort of thing reminds me of those low grade Item mall korean games where there are always messages from thegames admin encouraging event participation.  In EQ and EQOA nobody needed any encouragement to get involved ingame events.  This is different though, is hawking LoN all part of a great strategy that also coincides with themost dreary, mindless point of this games entire history ?  Light Loads, Soaring Inflation and Bored Raiders FTW!

Troubor
10-21-2007, 08:12 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just stop whining about everything, channel spam, they nerfed me, boo hoo </p><p>Bloody kids nowadays!</p></blockquote>Tell you what, when you complain about a topic that's important to you, I'll tell you to stop the whining.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote><p>Troub I know you feel strongly about this but here is MY experience. I am online almost every day.....to some degree or other...usually at least for an hour stretch at a time. Last night was the FIRST time I had ever been aware of the LoN system messages. I would agree that they could do away with the "bong bong bong" as it makes you read it in case its notice of a server shut down but otherwise I couldn't give that much of a stuff.</p><p>Leave it with the yellow text maybe but get rid of the "bong bong bong". Maybe that is the compromise you could petition for? If you are getting the system message more regularly than once a night (if that) then that is more than I am getting. Maybe the RP servers...AB and LDL are getting it spammed more regularly?</p><p>Not looking for an argument, just giving you someone else's experience. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>I'm not looking for an arguement either.  But as stated before, I do feel a)  It is a misuse of the system message.  b)  I will admit they are doing it less then they did the first week, but it is more then once a night the times I've been on.  I am usually the most active on the weekends too, when they are do advert LoN the most.  c)  I do feel they need it in another channel period.  d)  The "bong-bong-bong" tone isn't an issue with me, since as I have stated before, I am hard of hearing.  I have to rely on visual text more, even in my raid group, which although technically not ventrilo manditory they do assume/expect people to use it, I'm not expected to use vent due to my hearing.  I can only communicate in game via the normal text chat channels.  Lon Spam is very disruptive to me due to such.  That is my experience.

NANEEJE
10-21-2007, 11:59 PM
Didn't they cut that way back this weekend? I didnt get it nearly as often... and i was on.. well... all weekend.. lol

lagerone
10-22-2007, 01:15 AM
<p>It is immensely annoying and everyone in the guild regularly complains about it.</p><p>There needs to be either an opt-in or opt-out command for those people that are interested/not interested in LoN information.</p>

erin
10-22-2007, 01:17 AM
The most irritating ever.  Here we were, unable to log in because of a server problem, no word from a GM, no word from anyone on the boards, but here comes the LON spam anyway.  I went a bit ballistic.

Tarlok
10-22-2007, 02:00 AM
<p>I have to agree with what I could safely say the majority of folks are saying.  LoN spam is anoying.  I once used to say the crappiest thing ever in this game was that moronic and anoying plague event.  Congrats Sony, LoN spam has made the top of my list now.  Seriously I would not play LoN if I was given an anual pay check and unlimited free boosters and packs, that is how much I hate LoN now becuase of this spam.</p><p>The fix is simple, let those that don't care one bit about LoN turn off the spam.  Is it really that hard with all the programers they have on staff?  I suppose if it is they could outsource the coding to a high school kid in India.</p>

opteius
10-22-2007, 08:03 AM
./signedvery annoying.

Tokam
10-22-2007, 09:13 AM
<cite>Amalthea wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've merged the "Yes, another thread about lon advertisments...." thread with this one.Please don't start new threads on a topic when there's already an active thread about it.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Please stop spamming this thread with spam thread messages, eejit. (haha pokeamod)</p><p>Also, please stop spaming splitpaw with advertisments for tournaments that we can not participate in, using system message chat to make this useless information appear in all of my chat windows simultaiously.</p><p>Cheers.</p>

Sapphirius
10-22-2007, 10:59 AM
<cite>NANEEJE wrote:</cite><blockquote>Didn't they cut that way back this weekend? I didnt get it nearly as often... and i was on.. well... all weekend.. lol</blockquote>Yes, they cut back on LON spam. However, it still doesn't excuse the abusing of System Messages. It's also still very annoying.

Eboj
10-22-2007, 11:07 AM
yep... and cutting it back is no excuse to ever advertise it on non us servers... the lon tournaments are restricted to us residents. so pls atleast stop the advertising on non us servers, since advertising something one cant have is rather pointless.

Kaalenarc
10-22-2007, 11:12 AM
<p><span style="color: #ffff00;">In my opinion the System Message thing should be used ONLY for announcements that affect whether or not I am going to be able to play. That alert sound - after so many years playing , most folks are trained to think " oh crap - theres something wrong - I better immediately read this". Then , upon doing so, to discover an advertisement is somewhat infuriating.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"> Im sure in the future SOE will have things like more LoN tuorneys and other in game stuff they want to advertise. Honestly, its time for a different announcement system, separate from the downtime alert message, that folks can OPT OUT of.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;"> Even if we could opt out of the current system, most really wouldnt because of not knowing about system outages. And I suspect 99% of the player base WOULD want out of the LoN spam. SOE has a tons of OTHER, much less intrusive means of communcating these messages to us. You have our email addresses, the forums, EQ2Players AND the launchpad adverts. Do we REALLY have to get in game spam from you too? really?</span></p>

Eboj
10-22-2007, 11:14 AM
just had an idea... give the advertisments their own channel, make it disabled for people who pay full subscription fee, and make a new option for like 1$ less per month where the advertisment channel is turned on

Sedenten
10-22-2007, 11:17 AM
<p>This weekend was supposedly the last one for the promotion for LoN.  I'm not sure if that means the spam will stop entirely or if further tournaments will use the same SYSTEM MESSAGE format.  I sincerely hope Sony has learned from the feedback that using the SYSTEM MESSAGE format is not the way to go for these tournaments.  They should just create a new "channel" type for special events, and add a completely different filter option for that.  I'd prefer them to further split that type of filter into "EQ2" and "LoN" special events, as some people just don't care to hear anything about the LoN tournaments.  I play LoN from time to time, and all this pointless use of the SYSTEM MESSAGE spam has driven me to stop playing with it.  I don't even log into LoN anymore, thanks to the disgust from being spammed.</p><p>The SYSTEM MESSAGE channel should be reserved for important game related information (patches, messages that every player needs to know that might pertain to their gameplay, etc.).  It should NOT be used as an advertising outlet for a game that not every player is interested in even hearing about.  I'm fine with it being used to announce some advertisements pertaining strictly to the EQ2 game, but even then such messages shouldn't be spammed at 15 minute, 1 hour, or even 2 hour intervals.  <b>Simply cutting back on the intervals the spam hits is not acceptable.  SYSTEM MESSAGES should not be used for advertising like it has been in the past few weekends at all.</b></p>

Femke
10-22-2007, 11:18 AM
People must have very thin skins these days that they get *so* irritated about something so minor....Femke.

Sedenten
10-22-2007, 11:24 AM
<cite>Femke wrote:</cite><blockquote>People must have very thin skins these days that they get *so* irritated about something so minor....Femke.</blockquote><p>When it first started happening, it wasn't a big deal.  It was "minor" then.  After about the 20th spam in a given day, the annoyance started setting in.  The SYSTEM MESSAGE spam currently hits every single chat window, and the LoN spam usually wasn't just one message but two seperate ones with a couple of seconds of delay.  When you're raiding, roleplaying, having a talk with a friend in tells, or doing something else immersive, the spam does tend to get irritating when it is done at regular intervals.</p><p>My primary beef with the spam is that I think of the SYSTEM MESSAGE channel messages as containing information that is vital to my gameplay experience--perhaps the servers are coming down, or there's a common bug happening which they are aware of since the last patch and they just wanted to put some quick information out so the populace doesn't panic too much.  Those messages I generally read because they were important enough to interrupt whatever I was doing.  After all the weekend spam I hardly even read the messages, but groan as all my chat windows get scrolled by from the volume of it.</p>

JamesRay
10-22-2007, 11:27 AM
<p>"Thin skin?"I guess it was stupid of players to complain of plat spammers too, eh? Nowadays I get more spam about tournaments than I do from the farmers.Personally, if it was just spamming all of my windows, that would be fine.</p><p>But the fact that a new window pops up and has to be dealt with is an irritant that is worthy of mentioning.Given the fact that your comment really serves no purpose, perhaps you have your own issues to deal with, such as learning not to troll.</p>

Spyderbite
10-22-2007, 11:30 AM
<cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>SOE's use of their system message system is disruptive to game play. Their use of this for advertising is in very poor judgement.</p></blockquote>Yet, ironically, the same people complain that they never received the Server Down notifications which uses the same system for distribution. <img src="http://sloan.fcpages.com/smilies/ooops.gif" alt="" border="0" />

UlteriorModem
10-22-2007, 12:25 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>SOE's use of their system message system is disruptive to game play. Their use of this for advertising is in very poor judgement.</p></blockquote>Yet, ironically, the same people complain that they never received the Server Down notifications which uses the same system for distribution. <img src="http://sloan.fcpages.com/smilies/ooops.gif" border="0" alt="" width="90" height="32" /></blockquote><p>Just last night on AB they had a system announcement "We are aware of the log in server problems & are working on it".</p><p>Not 2 minutes later a running conversation "Are the log in servers having problems" <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> I dont notice these card game announcements that much. I saw one maybe two this weekend. Those that say they saw it 20 times in one day either are 'exagerating' or spending to much time at the computer.</p>

liveja
10-22-2007, 12:33 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SugarGirl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>SOE's use of their system message system is disruptive to game play. Their use of this for advertising is in very poor judgement.</p></blockquote>Yet, ironically, the same people complain that they never received the Server Down notifications which uses the same system for distribution. <img src="http://sloan.fcpages.com/smilies/ooops.gif" border="0" alt="" width="90" height="32" /></blockquote><p>That's because most people who have weighed in on this issue think there's a substantial difference between using the system-wide chat to deliver "real info relating to all players", & using it to advertise something that really only applies to those who care about LoN.</p><p>There's nothing "wrong" with SOE using its own network to advertise its own product. I'm just asking that they not use the SYSTEM WIDE message channel to do so, because that can not be filtered out. I don't give a rip about their LoN tourney, & I don't want to hear about it while I'm playing, & I'd very much like to be able to avoid seeing their ads while I'm playing.</p>

Spyderbite
10-22-2007, 12:41 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>I'd very much like to be able to avoid seeing their ads while I'm playing.</p></blockquote>Fair enough. And, to be honest, like Ulterior.. I didn't notice more than one or two of the LoN ads over the weekend and I am on the computer and in EQ2 entirely too much. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />However, the ads work and if its revenue, I don't see it going anywhere. Over 200,000 pizzas were ordered in North America an hour after NFS2 started posting billboards in game for Dominos Pizza. XD

cyclonus11
10-22-2007, 12:47 PM
<cite>JamesRay wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>But the fact that a new window pops up and has to be dealt with is an irritant that is worthy of mentioning.</p></blockquote>I personally never had the spam create a new window.  It just spams both of the ones I have open, and it is still annoying, particularly since it gives the same sound and appearance as the "Servers coming down" messages.

Zorastiz
10-22-2007, 01:09 PM
<cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just stop whining about everything, channel spam, they nerfed me, boo hoo </p><p>Bloody kids nowadays!</p></blockquote>Tell you what, when you complain about a topic that's important to you, I'll tell you to stop the whining.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>It's just a game man, I get on here to find imformative posts that can help my gameplay, nothing more.

Sapphirius
10-22-2007, 02:02 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's just a game man, I get on here to find imformative posts that can help my gameplay, nothing more.</blockquote><p>Then why are you psoting in here? Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you, "Read this post or die?" If it's not your definition of informative, then don't read it. It's as simple as that. Otherwise, you're being somewhat hypocritical fussing at us for fussing at SOE.</p>

liveja
10-22-2007, 02:23 PM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's just a game man, I get on here to find imformative posts that can help my gameplay, nothing more.</blockquote>& apparently, also to troll threads that have nothing to do with you.

Seffrid
10-22-2007, 02:30 PM
<cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just last night on AB they had a system announcement "We are aware of the log in server problems & are working on it".</p><p>Not 2 minutes later a running conversation "Are the log in servers having problems" <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>There you go, proof positive that people have stopped reading the essential System Messages because they assume every time one pops up it's an advert for LoN.</p>

Eviljoe2
10-22-2007, 02:50 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's just a game man, I get on here to find imformative posts that can help my gameplay, nothing more.</blockquote>& apparently, also to troll threads that have nothing to do with you.</blockquote>lol....pnwed!!

Zorastiz
10-22-2007, 03:14 PM
<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's just a game man, I get on here to find imformative posts that can help my gameplay, nothing more.</blockquote><p>Then why are you psoting in here? Did someone hold a gun to your head and tell you, "Read this post or die?" If it's not your definition of informative, then don't read it. It's as simple as that. Otherwise, you're being somewhat hypocritical fussing at us for fussing at SOE.</p></blockquote>I like to antagonize people.

Wyrmypops
10-23-2007, 06:09 PM
<p>I've just seen a mod lock a LoN thread. Citing it as being more appropriate for the LoN forum. Fair enough. It's a seperate game with a seperate forum. </p><p>So, why is it considered appropriate to spam all their players with information about this seperate game while in EQ2? </p><p>Make a LoN chat tag, apply it to these spam messages, so those that want to know can know and choose which chat window it goes to, while those that want nothing to do with it whatsoever can ensure they never get this spam again. Just do it, it's no longer just an inconvenience, it's becoming pointedly rude and generating agro. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> </p>

Eboj
10-23-2007, 06:52 PM
<cite>nvm.. dont want to loose this acc too</cite>

Cleitanious
10-23-2007, 11:32 PM
I agree this spam is unacceptable!!!

Kitsi
10-25-2007, 01:00 PM
<cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I've just seen a mod lock a LoN thread. Citing it as being more appropriate for the LoN forum. Fair enough. It's a seperate game with a seperate forum. </p></blockquote><p>I noticed that too and wondered about that. It's ok to send out LoN messages in EQ2, but we can only talk about LoN in the LoN forums (which I refuse to register for since I have no intention of ever playing LoN anyway, and hence, apparently, can't post to the forums there).</p><p>Fine, I will continue to close the window that pops up everytime they send out the message, and I will hope for a day when I can "opt out" of that spam just like I did with my telephone number (take that you telephone sales people!).</p>

Windowlicker
10-26-2007, 08:04 PM
Graaaa, please make it stop

Gnevil
10-26-2007, 08:17 PM
<p>They are not going to disable this any time soon.  They make money on it right now and are going to continue forcing this down our throat.  I had to create a separate chat window and make it as small as it could be and hide it in the upper corner as these weekend barages were affecting my raiding.  Nothing like engaging Mayong getting in a flow and have that annoying spam draw your attention....</p>

Anoi
10-26-2007, 08:28 PM
<p>Here we go.  Another weekend of "SYSTEM MESSAGES"</p><p>It's pretty pathetic that SOE uses the SYSTEM MESSAGE feature of the game to actually broadcast commercials.</p><p>I think broadcasting SYSTEM MESSAGES takes from the spirit of the game as outlined in Rule 6 of the SOE End User License Agreement we all have to agree to when we sign on to the game.  SOE must be above the rules.</p><p><b><u>RULE 6 of the SOE End User License Agreement</u></b></p><p>6. We may terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) and/or suspend your Account immediately and without notice: (i) if you violate any provision of this Agreement; (ii) infringe any third party intellectual property rights; (iii) if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us; (iv)<b> upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which we, in our sole discretion, determine is inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game</b>; v) upon any violation of the Station Terms of Service and/or the Game Rules of Conduct and/or (vi) upon any violation of the Exchange Agreement. If we terminate this Agreement or suspend your Account under these circumstances, you will lose access to your Account for the duration of the suspension and/or the balance of any prepaid period without any refund. We may also terminate this Agreement if we decide, in our sole discretion, to discontinue offering the Game, in which case we may provide you with a prorated refund of any prepaid amounts.</p><p>Someone needs to BAN the SYSTEM MESSAGES account.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p><a href="http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=12248" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bi...p?p_faqid=12248</a></p>

Kieram
10-26-2007, 08:32 PM
<p>***Just an observation***</p><p>There's the group that notices and are distracted/annoyed by the LoN anouncements. Then there is the OTHER group that come on here 36 seconds after the server is brought down complaining they didn't see any server coming down messages (never mind the system has been anouncing it for 3 hours every 15 minutes).</p><p>The Lon messages don't bother me but I can see the point of those that are bothered by them they should be able to be shut off by those who don't care. </p>

LordPazuzu
10-26-2007, 08:34 PM
Why do you care?  It's not like it affects your gameplay in any way, shape, or form.  It's yellow text that pops up periodically in your chat window.  Ignoring it is not hard to do.  It's not like it comes up in a huge window that covers the screen or anything.  Find something more important to whine about.

Anoi
10-26-2007, 08:39 PM
<p>The problem with whining about system message being used to broadcast LON commercials is like the boy crying wolf.  Every time I recieve a system message from SOE it shows up in every single chat window I have open, and a system message sounds go off.  It gets my attention and I think that there is an important SYSTEM MESSAGE that requires my attention as a player in the game.</p><p>System messages should be used for just that purpose, broadcasting system wide IMPORTANT messages to the players, and not about a cardgame.</p><p>Enough said.</p><p> Anoija</p>

Sedenten
10-26-2007, 08:43 PM
<cite>LordPazuzu wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why do you care?  It's not like it affects your gameplay in any way, shape, or form.  It's yellow text that pops up periodically in your chat window.  Ignoring it is not hard to do.  It's not like it comes up in a huge window that covers the screen or anything.  Find something more important to whine about.</blockquote>I have 7 chat boxes arranged in my UI.  When a system message hits, all of them are filled completely with yellow text.  I could be in a raid, talking to a good friend, chatting in guild--whatever--and a system message scrolls everything off and interrupts whatever I was trying to read/type.  It might seem petty, but it is an annoyance and does affect my enjoyment of the game when it happens.  I can understand messages about the server coming down or <i>important</i> messages that are related to my gameplay, but not open advertisements concerning a game I'm not playing at that point in time.  BTW, I do play and enjoy LoN, but I do not agree with the system message advertisements in any way, shape, or form and do believe it is a detriment to the game in it's current form.

Troubor
10-27-2007, 10:48 AM
<cite>Kieram wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>***Just an observation***</p><p>There's the group that notices and are distracted/annoyed by the LoN anouncements. Then there is the OTHER group that come on here 36 seconds after the server is brought down complaining they didn't see any server coming down messages (never mind the system has been anouncing it for 3 hours every 15 minutes).</p><p>The Lon messages don't bother me but I can see the point of those that are bothered by them they should be able to be shut off by those who don't care. </p></blockquote><p>I see the System Messages fine, I don't remember a time when I've missed a server pulldown message, be it when it's planned or due to a last minute hotfix to repair an exploit or new bug.  I am annoyed by the use of the System Message system to advert LoN, and feel it is a misuse of the System Message channel, as I've stated many times before.  Each time I see it, I send a polite /feedback with the faint hope it does get read by someone, explaining why I'm annoyed, why I feel it's a misuse and a possible suggestion or two.  At this point, I'm sure they ignore such since they feel it fine to spam us and have never replied in any thread about this spamming, but well, if they continue to spam, I'll continue to reply until someone somewhere tells us something. </p><p>Even if it's "Forget about it, we're going to use the System Message service this way, feel lucky we're not spamming every game we've ever produced", tell us something SOE.  I know you have a habit of not replying it seems, but tell us something.</p>

Troubor
10-27-2007, 10:59 AM
<cite>LordPazuzu wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why do you care?  It's not like it affects your gameplay in any way, shape, or form.  It's yellow text that pops up periodically in your chat window.  Ignoring it is not hard to do.  It's not like it comes up in a huge window that covers the screen or anything.  Find something more important to whine about.</blockquote><p>1)  Actually it does.  For me specifically, it means I may miss a command from the raid leader in chat if it comes on at the same time (I'm hard of hearing, so can't use Vent or TS) or if I'm at a roleplay event (yes, a casual raider who roleplays, imagine that) I may miss something said then.  Even ignoring that, I personally find it annoying and disruptive, and a misuse of the System Message.</p><p>2)  Simply because you claim to not care and claim to not be annoyed doesn't mean it's a problem.  There's plenty of people who wouldn't care if let's say Emerald Halls was bugged for a week and no-one could go in, to make up a random hypothetical example.  Maybe they are too low of level, or don't raid or their raid guild or group has no plans to go there the week it's bugged.  Or whatever other reason.  Let's assume you do like that zone and/or raid it frequently.  Would you appricate it if the people who don't would say "Don't complain to SOE about it, stop whining"?  Replace "Emerald Halls" with anything in the game you do enjoy if you don't care about that location.</p><p>3)  You claim ignoring it is not hard to do.  Fine.  Okay, let's say a real System Message came on in the middle of the day.  Such does happen.  We have RoK coming live pretty soon, it will introduce a whole new set of bugs most likely, middle of the day emergency pulldowns might be common the first week or so, as they hotfix bugs that never showed up in Betatesting.  Ignoring System Messages due to LoN spam might also teach someone to ignore system messages in general.  Not I think a good thing to do.</p><p>As an aside, if they do an emergency hotfix, please don't come on here 'whining" about it, assuming they do post at least one System Message.  You're the one advocating ignoring them.  :p</p><p>4)  Finally, don't complain if you post something important to you, and I call it whining.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Especially if what you dislike isn't important to me.</p>

liveja
10-27-2007, 11:03 AM
<p>I've seen a LOT of stuff posted in this thread, but one thing I haven't seen: anyone actually pointing out WHY the system message channel is being used to advertise this card game, as opposed to a MotD or a message on the login screen, or even a freekin' screen between hitting the "PLAY" button & actually logging in that carries the great big flashy glowy banner telling us all about the freekin' tourney.</p><p>Instead, people are arguing, just to argue.</p><p>Using the System Message channel, IMO, is simply a *bad* idea. IMO, it's even counter-productive: it may well be that the amount of advertising being done on the Sys Message channel is causing people to turn their backs on LoN, which is pretty much the opposite of the effect desired. I'm having a hard time believing that the marketing majors at SOE haven't figured that out, yet.</p>

Inphina
10-27-2007, 12:03 PM
Whoever came up with the idea of putting ads to system messages was a genius.People who have played this game for years (doesn't include me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> ) always pay attention to system messages due to the sound and text color: when they hear the sound, they immediately pay attention to it and so the ad will stay in their mind and affect their subconscious thinking. It's basic psychology. =)We don't have those ads on European servers. After all, we are second class customers to Sony.I'm really starting to feel that SOE isn't worth my 13 euros a month, no matter how much better I like their game than any other MMO.

Faymar
10-27-2007, 12:25 PM
The effect is actually that people stop paying any attention to system messages, as they are just spam.This is a total misuse of the system message system.

liveja
10-27-2007, 12:51 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>We don't have those ads on European servers. After all, we are second class customers to Sony.</blockquote>You might want to consider being happy you're second class customers, if that means you don't have to worry about LoN spam.

CordTheSeeker
10-28-2007, 03:18 PM
I hate getting these messages.  Does sony employees actually read these comments?  At what point does sony STOP ADDING NEW CONTENT AND FIX EXISTING CONTENT?

Troubor
10-28-2007, 03:46 PM
<cite>CordTheSeeker wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hate getting these messages.  Does sony employees actually read these comments?  At what point does sony STOP ADDING NEW CONTENT AND FIX EXISTING CONTENT?</blockquote><p>Maybe silly to answer your questions, since I'm just going by pure gut feeling and assumptions, but well..based on what I've seen...</p><p>Does SOE read these?  Actually do assume yes.</p><p>Having said that..will SOE reply here?  Probably not.  From what I've seen, SOE has a bad habit of not replying regardless of the form of communication used unless it's "good news".  Even if it means doing more damage by keeping silent, they will keep silent.</p><p>Me, even if it's "Hey..sorry no, we're going to advertise the game via the System Messages, deal with it", I'd rather see that reply so I at least know THAT then see no reply at all.</p><p>I guess SOE feels if they don't reply, people will drop the issue.  </p><p>What I do suggest is what I have been suggesting for a while.  Each time they spam via a System Message, do a /feedback back.  Not a /report & petition, a GM can't do much about it even if you get one who isn't an outsourced CSR agent.  Good chance you'll get one of the outsourced ones who just use a bunch of scripted and canned replies anyway that have little or nothing to do with the situation, at least in my experience with regards to other issues.</p><p>Doing /feedback does get to a developer...although I also suspect a large amount of it is "round filed" too.  But even if they just glance then delete it, at least they are seeing the complaints.  Is it a faint hope?  Yes..but it's something.  But, keep the /feedback polite, explain in polite civil terms why you're annoyed, and if you have one supply a possible solution that wouldn't be absurd to impliment.  What I do with my /feedback about it.  But, keep doing it IMO also, I also do /feedback each time they spam our server when I'm on if I'm not busy, as soon as I have a break if I am.</p>

greenmantle
10-28-2007, 09:25 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Whoever came up with the idea of putting ads to system messages was a genius.People who have played this game for years (doesn't include me <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"> ) always pay attention to system messages due to the sound and text color: when they hear the sound, they immediately pay attention to it and so the ad will stay in their mind and affect their subconscious thinking. It's basic psychology. =)We don't have those ads on European servers. After all, we are second class customers to Sony.I'm really starting to feel that SOE isn't worth my 13 euros a month, no matter how much better I like their game than any other MMO.</blockquote><p>I must fit into third class then, i have to put up with the spam on ab but then as usuall i dont have a choice to participate because its yet another us only. I wonder how many items will be usde to bribe people to participate  and at what point  its "you dont have the grande fingle of health from the tourney,  sorry we need a healer that has one of those in the guild "</p>

Troubor
10-29-2007, 07:54 PM
<p>Well, saw this on the eq2players.com front page:  </p><p>"Next Legends of Norrath<sup>TM</sup> Promo Weekend Scheduled for Nov 2nd-4th, 2007"...</p><p>Gee, be prepared for more LoN spam this coming weekend then.</p><p>I half wonder if this promo weekend is being done just so they have an excuse to keep spamming us?  Next weekend after that I'm sure it will be "Don't forget about the tourney/promo/other excuse to scream about this game right after RoK debuts..." or some such.</p><p>Oh well..sure I'll be posting more /feedback this weekend.  And then seeing if some [Removed for Content] posts "stop whining" to troll this thread if people dare to comment about the spam.</p>

Troubor
11-03-2007, 11:58 PM
<cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, saw this on the eq2players.com front page:  </p><p>"Next Legends of Norrath<sup>TM</sup> Promo Weekend Scheduled for Nov 2nd-4th, 2007"...</p><p>Gee, be prepared for more LoN spam this coming weekend then.</p><p>I half wonder if this promo weekend is being done just so they have an excuse to keep spamming us?  Next weekend after that I'm sure it will be "Don't forget about the tourney/promo/other excuse to scream about this game right after RoK debuts..." or some such.</p><p>Oh well..sure I'll be posting more /feedback this weekend.  And then seeing if some [Removed for Content] posts "stop whining" to troll this thread if people dare to comment about the spam.</p></blockquote><p>Well..quoting myself for one good reason, even if it is probably just beating a dead horse.</p><p>I said they would do more LoN spam..and yep, they did.  Will admit I only saw it once, so maybe they aren't being as annoying about it..but once is once too many IMO.  Oh well.</p><p>addendum:  Change it to twice this weekend so far, with regards to the LoN spam.</p><p>As an aside..I was up around Midnight PST, so I saw the System Message announcing the bonus EXP on Sunday go up.  Now..was my immediate thought "Oh, something important" or "Yay..bonus EXP, better work on alts on Sunday?".  No, my first thought was "NOT more spam!", and THEN when I read the message I saw that no, for once it wasn't LoN spam but a true system message.  And this was with me knowing that from midnight to midnight Sunday there would be a bonus EXP day.  Even knowing this, my first assumption was "System Message, more spam" until I actually read it.</p><p>Otherwise, at least in my case, you have conditioned me to think "spam first" when I see a System Message.  Won't be long now before I just tune them out completly, and your advertising backfires.  </p><p>I would THINK it's counter productive to teach people to tune out the System Message channel.  I guess SOE thinks otherwise.</p>

Vyme
11-04-2007, 02:26 AM
<p>I have to add a comment.  I, just like everyone else, am VERY sick of the system messages about LoN.  However, these posts have been going for almost a month now and there hasn't been a change in SoE's additude.  I received another notification today.  </p><p>As stated before, it is all about chasing the $ and getting more profit.</p><p>A new channel needs to be made for LoN so that it can be filtered.  I use /feedback everytime I get a message, but I have to go in and clear out all my chat windows.  Just seeing the messages makes me mad that such abusive tactics are being used to make money.  As if the subscription cost to play and the purchase price for expansions wasn't already high enough.</p><p>My friends keep me playing EQ2, certainly not SoE's management of the game.</p>

Vifarc
11-05-2007, 07:29 AM
<cite>Oh yes! I'm happy, being on the Storms french server, not having those ads.And I will not buy RoK immediatly. I will wait for some months looking after this spam.Because if ads cross the ocean, I will cancel my account. I would be angry if I had bought RoK and then ads are [email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>We don't have those ads on European servers. After all, we are second class customers to Sony.</blockquote>You might want to consider being happy you're second class customers, if that means you don't have to worry about LoN spam.</blockquote>

Skua
11-05-2007, 07:45 AM
<cite>Vyme wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have to add a comment.  I, just like everyone else, am VERY sick of the system messages about LoN.  However, these posts have been going for almost a month now and there hasn't been a change in SoE's additude.  I received another notification today.  </p><p>As stated before, it is all about chasing the $ and getting more profit.</p><p>A new channel needs to be made for LoN so that it can be filtered.  I use /feedback everytime I get a message, but I have to go in and clear out all my chat windows.  Just seeing the messages makes me mad that such abusive tactics are being used to make money.  As if the subscription cost to play and the purchase price for expansions wasn't already high enough.</p><p>My friends keep me playing EQ2, certainly not SoE's management of the game.</p></blockquote>QFTyesterday was in a raid ....mid try , the RL was chatting , plof half chat spammed.....i have a little chat box so needed to scroll up.....thx soe <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> just a question.....do you play LON? i dont know any1 that play it =/ , tried the tutorial but meh =/ , was a good idea to get rid of boredoom while lfg or waiting for raid but pche i dont like it =/ jewels ftw <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Tae
11-05-2007, 11:58 AM
Are all the people annoyed about this people who are using custom UIs? I only have one chat tab, and the message appears in there. It doesn't pop up over my game, it just appears in the one chat tab and scrolls away pretty quickly. The only annoyance I find is the noise makes me think "Oh boy another server down". Well, and the fact that it's US only so I can't participate.

SerChandos
11-05-2007, 01:00 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>JamesRay wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>But the fact that a new window pops up and has to be dealt with is an irritant that is worthy of mentioning.</p></blockquote>I personally never had the spam create a new window.  It just spams both of the ones I have open, and it is still annoying, particularly since it gives the same sound and appearance as the "Servers coming down" messages.</blockquote><p>Thank You!</p><p> I have been having this "extra window / chat tab" problem too. Nobody else in my guild does however.</p><p>It really is a pain in the [Removed for Content] when it happens.</p><p>Cheers.</p>

Rijacki
11-05-2007, 01:04 PM
I use the default UI but I have several chat windows set to different purposes, guild-group-tell chat, healer chat for raids (for rezzing), a couple different windows for different kinds of combat spam, say-npc chat, and misc channel chat. I have it like that so I can see important information faster. The HUGE LON messages fill each window and seem to stay on the screen longer than anything else (I have most of the windows set to disappear when the don't have new stuff). The LON spam is nothing but -annoying-. It also conditions us all to ignore actual System Messages. We'll miss real important info because of it. SOE adverts need their own message system that's only sent to ONE window (no matter how many are open) and in a different colour.

liveja
11-05-2007, 01:07 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are all the people annoyed about this people who are using custom UIs?</blockquote><p>No, I use the standard, unmodified, default EQ2 UI. I  have 2 chat windows: 1 for chat, 1 for combat messages.</p><p>I hate to say it, but it's tiny little details like this that are causing me to re-evaluate whether I want to continue paying for this game <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Frijoles
11-05-2007, 01:17 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are all the people annoyed about this people who are using custom UIs?</blockquote><p>No, I use the standard, unmodified, default EQ2 UI. I  have 2 chat windows: 1 for chat, 1 for combat messages.</p><p>I hate to say it, but it's tiny little details like this that are causing me to re-evaluate whether I want to continue paying for this game <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>I also use the standard UI setup, but I've opened up a third tab for things like 'NPC say' messages and 'Plat farmer' spam tells.</p><p>I'm personally not bothered by SOE's LoN tournament announcements (they don't seem to be broadcast all that frequently, really), but if I was, I think I'd relegate those to my 'Spam' chat tab also - then, whenever I heard the chime, I could tab over at my leisure to determine if it was a 'downtime' message or just an event announcement of some sort.</p><p><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

liveja
11-05-2007, 01:26 PM
<cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think I'd relegate those to my 'Spam' chat tab.</blockquote><p>I'd do that too, if I could find a way to filter System Messages.</p><p>If someone knows how to, & can please explain it to everyone else, I think we'd all be delighted. But if I could have done so -- & believe me, I've tried -- these messages would no longer appear in my Combat window. Yet, they do.</p>

EpokSilvermo
11-05-2007, 02:25 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are all the people annoyed about this people who are using custom UIs? I only have one chat tab, and the message appears in there. It doesn't pop up over my game, it just appears in the one chat tab and scrolls away pretty quickly. The only annoyance I find is the noise makes me think "Oh boy another server down". Well, and the fact that it's US only so I can't participate. </blockquote>Actually since I use the custom ProfitUI (surreptitious advertising intended) I have a little less chat windows open. But before, without any kind of custom UI mod (except the mandatory map) the whole far left side of my screen was filled with chat windows (about 5-6) , each of them with 2-4 tabs in it.An announcement that goes to all these windows is worse than any kind of email spam lol.

SisterTheresa
11-05-2007, 07:59 PM
My only problem is is shows up in vevery tab window that I have, and I have a few set up. THAT ticks me off. I like LoN, but stop the spam in every window. Do it only in the window that is set up for the MOTD, that will work.

sindarin
11-05-2007, 08:14 PM
<p>ya the spam is slightly annoying, they could make it a motd. seems better place for it. Spam reminds me of blade runner. Maybe they should have a blimp in the game the floats around broadcasting the "info-mercial"</p><p>loudspeaker from blimp : "Start a new in a brave new world!...Start playing today"</p>

Rijacki
11-05-2007, 08:43 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think I'd relegate those to my 'Spam' chat tab.</blockquote><p>I'd do that too, if I could find a way to filter System Messages.</p><p>If someone knows how to, & can please explain it to everyone else, I think we'd all be delighted. But if I could have done so -- & believe me, I've tried -- these messages would no longer appear in my Combat window. Yet, they do.</p></blockquote>Long long ago, because people were complaining they didn't see a system message when one really had been sent out, they changed it to go to every open window -and- have no way to "filter it out".The problem isn't that System Messages go to every window (they should be reserved for important information such as "the server is going down in X minutes&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  The problem is that SOE is misusing the System Message and putting adverts there. 

Skua
11-05-2007, 09:06 PM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think I'd relegate those to my 'Spam' chat tab.</blockquote><p>I'd do that too, if I could find a way to filter System Messages.</p><p>If someone knows how to, & can please explain it to everyone else, I think we'd all be delighted. But if I could have done so -- & believe me, I've tried -- these messages would no longer appear in my Combat window. Yet, they do.</p></blockquote>Long long ago, because people were complaining they didn't see a system message when one really had been sent out, they changed it to go to every open window -and- have no way to "filter it out".The problem isn't that System Messages go to every window (they should be reserved for important information such as "the server is going down in X minutes"<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />.  The problem is that SOE is misusing the System Message and putting adverts there.  </blockquote>this man/woman win the thread <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Embret
11-06-2007, 02:10 PM
<p>I'm so annoyed with these messages I could just spit.  (I would use considerably stronger wording but the lamers have their very tiny feelings hurt if I do.)  I have started /bug reporting them every time they pop and furthermore I see this as an abuse of the system messaging.  I agree with relegating them to the MOTD only as I missed a true server outage message the other day because I simply ignored it and did a /bug on a server outage....ooops.  SOE is training me to ignore important messages...go SOE.</p><p>This is an extremely large thread, and as such SOE should consider revamping their truly awful way of cramming this garbage down my throat.  I am obviously not the only one annoyed by this issue.  I further propose that the VP responsible should be drawn and quartered....publicly.  That the spam continues does indicate one of two things to me...either the spam is working on the small-minded or they are desperately trying to recoup a huge outlay of cash to get this debacle started.</p><p>Have I fully conveyed my distaste for the LoN card game garbage?</p><p>PS I have wanted to start a second account for my daughter and pay to move a couple of characters to that account, but refuse while the system message channels are being used to advertise garbage.  Let's see, that's $15/mo for another account and $100-$150 to move characters depending on how many I actually decide to move to the new account.  You will not be getting that revenue from me until the spam stops and I refuse to buy LoN packs or whatever they are called...so make a choice SOE.  I would further suggest that I may not be the only one thinking this way.</p><p>PSS GRRRRRR!!!!</p><p>PSSS Gee, I feel much better now....hehehe.</p>

Windowlicker
11-06-2007, 02:19 PM
How many pages do we need to see this thread hit before something is done about it?  30?  60? 200?

UlteriorModem
11-06-2007, 02:28 PM
<p>Let me play devils advocate here.</p><p>Its their system. They have every right to do with that system what they wish.</p><p>If you a player a user of that system are so aggrivated by that use your choice is simple. Quit using their system.</p><p> I dont care how many complaints may be posted in a forum thread dont expect to see a change in their behaviour.</p><p>Your only 'real' leverage is your pocketbook.</p>

Embret
11-06-2007, 02:56 PM
<cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let me play devils advocate here.</p><p>Its their system. They have every right to do with that system what they wish.</p><p>If you a player a user of that system are so aggrivated by that use your choice is simple. Quit using their system.</p><p> I dont care how many complaints may be posted in a forum thread dont expect to see a change in their behaviour.</p><p>Your only 'real' leverage is your pocketbook.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed, please see this quote:</p><p>"PS I have wanted to start a second account for my daughter and pay to move a couple of characters to that account, but refuse while the system message channels are being used to advertise garbage.  Let's see, that's $15/mo for another account and $100-$150 to move characters depending on how many I actually decide to move to the new account.  You will not be getting that revenue from me until the spam stops and I refuse to buy LoN packs or whatever they are called...so make a choice SOE.  I would further suggest that I may not be the only one thinking this way."</p>

Sunlei
11-06-2007, 03:52 PM
<p>I only keep one chat window open during regular play. Noticed only 2 system messages on sunday, just noted them, they did not annoy or disrupt me in any way.</p><p>I think the card game is bringing a lot of new people to Everquest, there are real newbies on my server this weekend! People like that card game, I like the idea that soe lets people know about the tourneys!</p><p>So turn off all those extra chat windows or grow some patience or close your eyes when you see yellow text and shut of the sound <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>you're worse than a flock of hungry chickens!</p>

Embret
11-06-2007, 05:01 PM
<p>For those of us using custom UI's or any settings that aren't the default, it spawns multiple windows and interrupts game play.  If you never touch your factory UI you won't see the issues we are seeing.  I will admit that having a custom UI or changing ANY of the default settings is contributing to this issue...and beyond SOE's technical support; it is still a valid issue happening to a large number of their loyal customer base.  In my opinion this makes it an issue worth looking into.  Furthermore, it is not a good use of the emergency notification system to spam sales literature...this is my opinion, but I accidently /bug reported a valid message because I no longer read anything coming via that channel.  This is not a good thing.</p><p>You are also clearly entitled to your opinion, an opinion that is 100% valid for you and your situation, however, it doesn't address mine...and apparently many others' positions or there wouldn't be multi-page threads all over these boards bemoaning the issue.  People really don't like the way it's being presented.  As Ron White said, "It's not THAT the wind is blowing, it's WHAT the wind is blowing."  In our case it's not WHAT the wind is blowing, but HOW it's blowing...and it does blow.</p>

Wyrmypops
11-06-2007, 05:16 PM
<p>Are we hungry chickens? Must say I find that an odd thing to say. But hey, odd is cool. Like a three legged dog, and fez hats - who wouldn't love a three legged dog in a fez eh. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Personally, I'd go out on a limb with a radical idea, that the system message tag be reserved for system messages. Mad eh. </p><p>Announcements about other aspects of the game (<i>or arguably a seperate game</i>) should be tagged appropriately. In this instance, by say, a LoN tag, so those that want nothing to do with it can continue to enjoy the game without being notified about something they don't want/don't care for/get annoyed at spam/remind them SOE spent time and money developing a CCG that can introduce superior tricked out characters if the player is willing or able to shell out real money of booster packs, instead of a simple Gems-like game. </p><p>Those that do want the announcements can at least choose which window the information is sent to rather than have it appear in every window, and could perhaps choose to make it a colour other than the yellow to differentiate it from the system messages that should be all that are delivered with the system message tag. </p><p>I ain't so offended, disapointed, or put off that I'd cancel my account over it. Or any of the other single negatives the game has going. But this <i>is</i> a negative, and an easily cured one. As a negative, it does figure into the equation that would take place in my head if I had to recommend a game to a friend. Every negative will impact the SOE name, and sales. If this spam is generating money for them, then wehey for them, but the repercussions of negative impressions associated to the SOE name may well hurt them. Already it's hardly uncommon to read a post on general gaming forums suggesting a person wouldn't touch an SOE product, for negatives experienced in previous games. The Venn diagram about customers, with one blob being potential customers, another blob for existing customers, and another for ex-customers, each would be impacted by a negative like this. Existing customers may not promote products, diminishing the growth of the potential customers, and my even leave the existing customers blob and enter the ex-customers blob. </p><p>When a negative like this spam is avoidable, surely it should be. Not just to address the ongoing concerns of the company rather than provide a temporary boost to profits, but because its the right thing to do, and mis-using chat tags is foolish and spamming is just abominable.</p>

Littl
11-06-2007, 09:05 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let me play devils advocate here.</p><p>Its their system. They have every right to do with that system what they wish.</p><p>If you a player a user of that system are so aggrivated by that use your choice is simple. Quit using their system.</p><p> I dont care how many complaints may be posted in a forum thread dont expect to see a change in their behaviour.</p><p>Your only 'real' leverage is your pocketbook.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed, please see this quote:</p><p>"PS I have wanted to start a second account for my daughter and pay to move a couple of characters to that account, but refuse while the system message channels are being used to advertise garbage.  Let's see, that's $15/mo for another account and $100-$150 to move characters depending on how many I actually decide to move to the new account.  You will not be getting that revenue from me until the spam stops and I refuse to buy LoN packs or whatever they are called...so make a choice SOE.  I would further suggest that I may not be the only one thinking this way."</p></blockquote>Jeese come on. If you get THAT uptight then maybe seek some anger management. Are you holding that second account hostage or something? Just because of a little message spam (maybe what a couple times your daily play session?). You know who is losing out? Not SOE who is a billion dollar company mister, it's you and your daughter missing out on having fun together. Truth be told is that I doubt you are not going forth with the transaction just because of a couple system messages flashing during gameplay it's because you probably can't afford it yet but you figure you might aswell work it to your advantage of the arguement.It's a sad world when people get upset over spilled milk. When I was a child I left a mug on the floor. My father came in and saw it, picked up, said "this is not a sink" then smashed it on the floor! He's a man who cries and yells over spi lled milk and one I can do without. A man who is a ngry at the world always.Their is only one problem and that is that it sholdn't open another entire window because that's annoying and interrupting gameplay. That's it! And you can be sure they will fix that. Don't you people realize that SOE is holding events here which is very nice to do. They will fix the window problem. No need to start threatning to pull accounts like so many are. People who threaten to unsubscribe over this such as they have in these many pages, go for it, it's your loss. Your not quitting just because of message spam so be honest.<a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/monnie101/SOE_EQ2-LoN_Spam-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket" /></a>

Vifarc
11-07-2007, 05:38 AM
<cite>Unsubscribe is an anger management.SOE will loose a customer.And what if he is not alone? See what happens when one, and other ones,  don't buy the Sony playstations: Hundred millions dollars lost.Him and his daughter will have fun by another way: There is a life without EQ2, and there are many other mmos or multiplayer games.Littles wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>. If you get THAT uptight then maybe seek some anger management. ? Just because of a little message spam (maybe what a couple times your daily play session?). You know who is losing out? Not SOE who is a billion dollar company mister, it's you and your daughter missing out on having fun together. Truth be told is that I doubt you are not going forth with the transaction just because of a couple system messages flashing during gameplay it's because you probably can't afford it yet but you figure you might aswell work it to your advantage of the arguement.. No need to start threatning to pull accounts like so many are. People who threaten to unsubscribe over this such as they have in these many pages, go for it, it's your loss. Your not quitting just because of message spam so be honest.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"></a></blockquote>

Embret
11-07-2007, 01:30 PM
<cite>Littles wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let me play devils advocate here.</p><p>Its their system. They have every right to do with that system what they wish.</p><p>If you a player a user of that system are so aggrivated by that use your choice is simple. Quit using their system.</p><p> I dont care how many complaints may be posted in a forum thread dont expect to see a change in their behaviour.</p><p>Your only 'real' leverage is your pocketbook.</p></blockquote><p>Agreed, please see this quote:</p><p>"PS I have wanted to start a second account for my daughter and pay to move a couple of characters to that account, but refuse while the system message channels are being used to advertise garbage.  Let's see, that's $15/mo for another account and $100-$150 to move characters depending on how many I actually decide to move to the new account.  You will not be getting that revenue from me until the spam stops and I refuse to buy LoN packs or whatever they are called...so make a choice SOE.  I would further suggest that I may not be the only one thinking this way."</p></blockquote>Jeese come on. If you get THAT uptight then maybe seek some anger management. Are you holding that second account hostage or something? Just because of a little message spam (maybe what a couple times your daily play session?). You know who is losing out? Not SOE who is a billion dollar company mister, it's you and your daughter missing out on having fun together. Truth be told is that I doubt you are not going forth with the transaction just because of a couple system messages flashing during gameplay it's because you probably can't afford it yet but you figure you might aswell work it to your advantage of the arguement.It's a sad world when people get upset over spilled milk. When I was a child I left a mug on the floor. My father came in and saw it, picked up, said "this is not a sink" then smashed it on the floor! He's a man who cries and yells over spi lled milk and one I can do without. A man who is a ngry at the world always.Their is only one problem and that is that it sholdn't open another entire window because that's annoying and interrupting gameplay. That's it! And you can be sure they will fix that. Don't you people realize that SOE is holding events here which is very nice to do. They will fix the window problem. No need to start threatning to pull accounts like so many are. People who threaten to unsubscribe over this such as they have in these many pages, go for it, it's your loss. Your not quitting just because of message spam so be honest.</blockquote><p>First, your ad hominem post was uncalled for...and made assumptions about me that are simply not true.  Furthermore you assume that I can't afford a second account for my daughter, this is not true either.  (I make the money required to pay for an additional account and the 3 character move in a very small fraction of my work day...money is NOT the issue.)  And as an added note, I've never once scolded my daughter for spilling something...we work together to clean it up and take measures to avoid it in the future.  I never once suggested I would cancel my main account as I have too much fun with my friends playing this game and my daughter enjoys watching and playing herself.  What I did say is that while the LoN spam issue is happening I will not start the second account strictly for my daughter.  I do not reward poor behavior by giving more of my money.</p><p>I find the spam particularly annoying because it opens additional windows.  This past weekend I had it open 6 windows plus fill all my current chat tabs with six copies of the LoN spam, effectively scrolling all the wanted information completely out of my view.  It took me a couple of minutes to get everything back in order.  A couple of minutes really isn't a huge deal, but it's unnecessary and annoying.  I know it's a bug of some sort and I know it will be fixed...I also know that the paltry amount of money I'm withholding means nothing to them, but it's a principle thing for me.</p>

feldon30
11-07-2007, 01:56 PM
<cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let me play devils advocate here.</p><p>Its their system. They have every right to do with that system what they wish.</p><p>If you a player a user of that system are so aggrivated by that use your choice is simple. Quit using their system.</p><p> I dont care how many complaints may be posted in a forum thread dont expect to see a change in their behaviour.</p><p>Your only 'real' leverage is your pocketbook.</p></blockquote>Least helpful post ever?The only option for something in the game we don't like is:1) Shut Up2) Stop PlayingThat's not an answer, that's giving up.

KBern
11-07-2007, 01:58 PM
<p>11 pages about a trivial chat issue that people can easily ignore.</p><p>Amazing what people choose to complain about.</p>

Skywarrior
11-07-2007, 02:22 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>11 pages about a trivial chat issue that people can easily ignore.</p><p>Amazing what people choose to complain about.</p></blockquote><p>On one level, there is some merit in this sentiment.  On the other hand, the same could be said (and frequently was) about the plat spam issue.  And yes, they fall in the same category to me.  At least the plat spammers promoted something that directly related to the game of EQ2.  The LoN spam does not.</p><p>I personally have zero interest in any form of these card games.  They detract from the game of EQ2 and the spamming is simply using a captive audience to promote a product that is connected only in theme to the game I am actually playing.  That said, I am happy for those that do enjoy the LoN game and have no desire to see their enjoy lessened in any way.  Just get rid of the uncalled for and tasteless spamming.</p><p>They could start putting up Coke and Burger King ads in the cities too.  It would be the same thing to me.  They are using in-game resources to advertise a different product than what I am paying to play.  It's annoying.</p>

Selantyr
11-07-2007, 02:30 PM
<cite>Skywarrior wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>11 pages about a trivial chat issue that people can easily ignore.</p><p>Amazing what people choose to complain about.</p></blockquote><p>On one level, there is some merit in this sentiment.  On the other hand, the same could be said (and frequently was) about the plat spam issue.  And yes, they fall in the same category to me.  At least the plat spammers promoted something that directly related to the game of EQ2.  The LoN spam does not.</p><p>I personally have zero interest in any form of these card games.  They detract from the game of EQ2 and the spamming is simply using a captive audience to promote a product that is connected only in theme to the game I am actually playing.  That said, I am happy for those that do enjoy the LoN game and have no desire to see their enjoy lessened in any way.  Just get rid of the uncalled for and tasteless spamming.</p><p>They could start putting up Coke and Burger King ads in the cities too.  It would be the same thing to me.  They are using in-game resources to advertise a different product than what I am paying to play.  It's annoying.</p></blockquote>Well said.

Embret
11-07-2007, 02:41 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>11 pages about a trivial chat issue that people can easily ignore.</p><p>Amazing what people choose to complain about.</p></blockquote><p>It's amazing that you are complaining about our complaining....hehehe.</p><p>I truly understand that it doesn't bother some people...great; I get it, that's cool.  It does bother me and I think you should respect the fact that it bothers me.  Respecting the fact doesn't mean you have to agree...because you don't see it as I do and you likely don't have six windows popping all over your screen (interrupting game play) each time it happens.  I don't require you to agree.  I'll bet every Jum Jum Pop I own that there are things that bother you that would not even be a blip on my radar screen.  I still respect the fact that it annoys you, whether I see it that way or not.</p><p>PS I can't ignore it...there are no provisions to ignore a system message...an important and needed feature and as of yet I can't find a way to stop the windows spawning all over my screen when the advertising pops.  I welcome the system messages (although the window popping is not necessary) and see it as an abuse of the system to advertise something else via that method.  (Again, I understand it's their system and they can do whatever they wish...I don't have to like it either.)</p>

Antas22
11-07-2007, 03:03 PM
SOE devoted how much resources to lessening and removing spam from plat sellers in order to improve the enjoyment of those in game? Well, guess what? Every dime they spent on doing so was utterly wasted. Now instead of getting tells in one tab from some idiot named Xhamkdmxxu, we get it in EVERY SINGLE tab from some idiot who set up an auto-spam bot at SOE offices. How is this an improvement? How is what SOE is doing any different? They're advertising a service that the vast majority of players aren't interested in, forcing it down our throats, and doing so without any soliciting.Moreover, to those saying "Just ignore it, it doesn't affect gameplay," you are completely wrong. Try having this spam come during a non-hardcore raid. Sure, ideally, everybody should be on Teamspeak or Vent, but that isn't always the case with pickups, who, through the spam that suddenly flooded every tab, miss the joust call. Raid dead, to no real fault of any player.How many times did SOE assure us that LoN would not affect EQ2 gameplay? Lies. I said it then, now it's very clear that I was right.

KBern
11-07-2007, 03:27 PM
<cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>[email protected] wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>11 pages about a trivial chat issue that people can easily ignore.</p><p>Amazing what people choose to complain about.</p></blockquote><p>It's amazing that you are complaining about our complaining....hehehe.</p></blockquote><p>It is an observation, not a complaint.  Just as the server messages dont bother me, 400 page threads on what I find silly won't either.</p><p>And you are right, we all find various things offensive or bothersome that others dont.  The issue is this is not a public forum, here or in game.  It is a privately run and funded forum by a major corporation.</p><p>The poster above tries to compare it to plat seller spam.  The only similarity they have is text across your screen.  Plat sellers are breaking the EULA.  SOE owns the game and can broadcast whatever they like.  </p><p>I think some people choose to get more upset over principles than the actual level of annoyance the SOE "spam" brings.</p><p>Plat sellers are not just a principle to be annoyed at, but they actually disrupt gameplay with their actions to gain the plat they sell.  SOE does not.</p>

Ariellelia
11-07-2007, 04:36 PM
Someone compared the complaints as a person complaining about spilled milk. Let me take that and say spilled milk if left will sour, and stink.  This not only causes a problem for the one who originally spilled the milk, but for others because it causes the entire room or area to reek.   It's awful, and hard to clean up even with steam cleaning.  In the end sometimes it's just easier to take out the rug or carpet *if that's where it was spilled on* and get new. Now don't get me started what happens if it's left on wood, that's expensive.I've paid my 14.99 a month subscription to play EQ2 not another game.  Being force fed another game through the System wide messages has caused not only issues for myself but for other customers.  The point has been brought up that these LoN messages take priority over what we have paid for (chatting with guild/friends/raid).  Now that in itself is a problem for me, and for others. When one is paying for the service then yes by all means let one see the messages, in a separate channel.  If not, I would prefer as well as others to be allowed the ability to not see see these messages.  It's a valid complaint, and as such should be treated with respect. 

Gnobrin
11-07-2007, 04:43 PM
<p>Alright all, this thread has degraded into a fistfight, nothing more then bickering and trolling.  If there's an issue with game design, please remember that constructive input is always needed.  If it begins to look more like a troll sumo match, then it's gone.</p><p>~Gnobrin.</p>