Dang, 7600gt xxx really makes it look good.

[Squigglle]

<p>The last driver update fixed eq2 and fear for me, check it out. this is eq2 maxed, i got it set to extreme. idk about you but that impressed me ALOT. for the age of this game. looks better then a ps3</p><p><img src="http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/2214/eq2000242ic9.jpg" border="0"></p>

[Aera]

Ok, let's get this straight.  It is by far the best looking MMO on the market.  But there is no way it looks better than the PS3's graphics.

[Squigglle]

i tihkn it does, ps3 doesnt impress me. the grpahics are so much more crisp and smooth

[Norrsken]

<img src="http://www.psxextreme.com/screenshots/ps3_dmc4/ps3_dmc4_48.jpg" border="0"><cite>Aera wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, let's get this straight.  It is by far the best looking MMO on the market.  But there is no way it looks better than the PS3's graphics.</blockquote>May have to agree. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Aera]

<cite>Squigglle wrote:</cite><blockquote>i tihkn it does, ps3 doesnt impress me. the grpahics are so much more crisp and smooth</blockquote> Go to any major gaming site and watch as many of the hi-def ps3 game vids as you can, then come back here and tell me what you think.

[Squigglle]

oh yeah i guess it is, but still eq2 got great grpahics

[VizP]

I think the comparison is a bit silly - MMOs support many players at the same time which should deterioraties visuals - but on EQ2 on high settings the game is incredibly beautiful. So EQ2 does win if you compare the fact that you are on the most part comparing single player focussed visuals vs a largr sprawling beautiful world and still EQ2 attempts to compete. That in itself shows the power of EQ2.

[doctorbow]

<cite>Squigglle wrote:</cite><blockquote>oh yeah i guess it is, but still eq2 got great grpahics</blockquote> LoL dun worry about it and actually I appreciate the screenshot, been thinking about upgrade my graphics card so good to know. They're just bein' abit silly.  Of COURSE the PS3 looks better.  It cost as much as my entire compy did 4 years ago <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It's a video card with a shiny plastic case around it and a HD drive or blue-ray or whichever they going for. How is your performance at that speed? Playable (Don't care about FPS, "playable" is acceptable in my book lol).  And also any catches/stutter?  Looks great.

[Bromir]

<p>Just a few days ago I went out shopping for a new adapter for my dad's computer. We bought a NVidia 8600GT for about 200$ and it totally rocks. It's a really cheap upgrade for a full knockout in quality .. </p><p>Yours</p><p>Bromir</p>

[Aera]

<cite>VizP wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the comparison is a bit silly - MMOs support many players at the same time which should deterioraties visuals - but on EQ2 on high settings the game is incredibly beautiful. So EQ2 does win if you compare the fact that you are on the most part comparing single player focussed visuals vs a largr sprawling beautiful world and still EQ2 attempts to compete. That in itself shows the power of EQ2. </blockquote> I agree with you there, but PS3 owners may be able to play EQ2 in the future.  It's not completely outside of the realm of possibility.  The current-gen consoles are beginning to focus more and more on online capability.  E3 this year got a lot of people excited.

[Chondrichtheyia]

Gotta love those Ryan Seacrest highlights...<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ChrisRay]

You do realise that the RSX ((PS3 Graphic chip)) is powered by an Nvidia GPU? With similar capabilities of geforce 7900 card ((geforce 7 series)) with 128 bit bandwith and cell memory/bandwith sharing. Theres no reason a Geforce 6/7/8 GPU cant render anything in that PSX screenshot. Heck the biggest thing that would hold back a PS3 from rendering EQ 2 would be memory constraints. EQ 2 has a pretty massive texture footprint.   Chris  

[Norrsken]

<cite>Aera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>VizP wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the comparison is a bit silly - MMOs support many players at the same time which should deterioraties visuals - but on EQ2 on high settings the game is incredibly beautiful. So EQ2 does win if you compare the fact that you are on the most part comparing single player focussed visuals vs a largr sprawling beautiful world and still EQ2 attempts to compete. That in itself shows the power of EQ2. </blockquote> I agree with you there, but PS3 owners may be able to play EQ2 in the future.  It's not completely outside of the realm of possibility.  The current-gen consoles are beginning to focus more and more on online capability.  E3 this year got a lot of people excited.</blockquote>Yup, such as AoC is being released for the 360. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So we will prolly see more MMOs on consoles, especially as peoples bandwith gets better so voice comm wont be a problem. Personally though, I think the Wii has the best controller for MMO play, unless you wanna hook up a mouse/keyboard. the wii hardware might be a tad lackingt hough. Not enough memory to carry an MMO gracefully I'd reckon.

[Norrsken]

<cite>ChrisRay wrote:</cite><blockquote>You do realise that the RSX ((PS3 Graphic chip)) is powered by an Nvidia GPU? With similar capabilities of geforce 7900 card ((geforce 7 series)) with 128 bit bandwith and cell memory/bandwith sharing. Theres no reason a Geforce 6/7/8 GPU cant render anything in that PSX screenshot. Heck the biggest thing that would hold back a PS3 from rendering EQ 2 would be memory constraints. EQ 2 has a pretty massive texture footprint.   Chris   </blockquote>I know. the fact that PC HW were catching the nextgen consoles so fast was the reason I went with a Wii isntead of the two big, blocky and rather poor quality ones. The wii has some stuff that a pc wont. like a crazy controller. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Brigh]

Try playing at those settings in a busy area or a raid.

[Spider]

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>Try playing at those settings in a busy area or a raid. </blockquote> or try playing those ps3 games with 200 people all sharing the same world  ( smoking ps3 anyone ? )

[Squigglle]

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>Try playing at those settings in a busy area or a raid. </blockquote> haha i have tried, in low populated i run extreme ok. and in populated i run about high. and in raids i got to go to high performence

[NiteWolfe]

<cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>Try playing at those settings in a busy area or a raid. </blockquote> Since i got a new system i can  run around QH and raid in extreme quality. I do have to turn down the spell effects thu in a raid not due to lag but due to 24 players firing off spells and such i cant see the mobs to position myself LOL but it is a wonderful site!

[Daedalus Raistlin]

The thing is, the graphics have stayed pretty much the same since release. Basically, the graphics were this awesome back at release, when 6800GTX's were top of the line. I've been able to enjoy them a fair bit with my 6600GT and I can tell you it's always been this pretty. But alas, with zones like Greater Faydwer, I just can't run on high settings anymore... Can't wait to buy a new system!

[Nexel]

EQ2 is indeed a beautiful looking game on high settings.. it has done ever since release.. .. of course, many of us never see those.. those of us with lower spec machines know we wont get to see them and understand that, unfortuantely SoE seems to be assuming more and more that everyone has high spec machines. Every expansion and new area uses more fancy graphic/texture systems which require a new computer to run well, theres not a single instance in EoF that I've been in where I havent run into "invisible" mobs that I cant see purely because they require certain graphic options to be tagged on, or sliders up to high. Some zones, like Unrest, dispite more than meeting minimum system requirements and turning my graphics down to absolute lowest level I can, still cause me to have an out of memory error on a regular basis. At minimum system requirements, and setting graphics as low as they can go, there is no mob I should be incapable of seeing and no place that should send me out of memory. With news of RoK's even larger zones and skeleton changes I only hope that the people who play this game on a budget will still be able to play.. mabye SoE will finally realise that by building their games to take advantage of so much new tech, they are making their market smaller and smaller. So yeah, congratulations on having such pretty graphics.. spare a thought for the people who dont, because if SoE follows their current pattern, you may soon be loosing guildmates because of it.

[ChrisRay]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>ChrisRay wrote:</cite><blockquote>You do realise that the RSX ((PS3 Graphic chip)) is powered by an Nvidia GPU? With similar capabilities of geforce 7900 card ((geforce 7 series)) with 128 bit bandwith and cell memory/bandwith sharing. Theres no reason a Geforce 6/7/8 GPU cant render anything in that PSX screenshot. Heck the biggest thing that would hold back a PS3 from rendering EQ 2 would be memory constraints. EQ 2 has a pretty massive texture footprint.   Chris   </blockquote>I know. the fact that PC HW were catching the nextgen consoles so fast was the reason I went with a Wii isntead of the two big, blocky and rather poor quality ones. The wii has some stuff that a pc wont. like a crazy controller. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Geforce 7 series. For which the PSX graphics is based upon. Was out before the PS3. Chris  

[JamesRay]

<p>Nowadays "high end" is becoming a relative term... I recently bought a AMD dual core system with a 20" flat panel, outfitted it with a BFG OC 7900 GS and 3 GB of pc6400 ram for about $650 total...and I can play with it in extreme quality.</p><p>Can't speak for raiding though.</p>

[kopingOwen]

<cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>Try playing at those settings in a busy area or a raid. </blockquote> Since i got a new system i can  run around QH and raid in extreme quality. I do have to turn down the spell effects thu in a raid not due to lag but due to 24 players firing off spells and such i cant see the mobs to position myself LOL but it is a wonderful site! </blockquote> same for me.. its mad! you cant see anything lol my poor little assassin have to use sunglasses when the robes in raid starts to nuke <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> out of raid tho, its awesome. expecially now when they have fixed the sound to support true surround for a awesome total experience. runnin amd dual core 5000+ with 7900 gtx and 4 gigs of ram.. with a xi-fi sound card.. realy you dont need any better to get max grafics on raids.

[NiteWolfe]

Silentclaws@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>Try playing at those settings in a busy area or a raid. </blockquote> Since i got a new system i can  run around QH and raid in extreme quality. I do have to turn down the spell effects thu in a raid not due to lag but due to 24 players firing off spells and such i cant see the mobs to position myself LOL but it is a wonderful site! </blockquote> same for me.. its mad! you cant see anything lol my poor little assassin have to use sunglasses when the robes in raid starts to nuke <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> out of raid tho, its awesome. expecially now when they have fixed the sound to support true surround for a awesome total experience. runnin amd dual core 5000+ with 7900 gtx and 4 gigs of ram.. with a xi-fi sound card.. realy you dont need any better to get max grafics on raids. </blockquote>AMD 6000 am2 with 2 8800 ultras in sli. 4 gigs of ddr2 ram, 2 raptor 150 gig 10k rpm hard drives in raid  mode? Not really sure what they ment by that  but that said it was the best way for 2 raptors to be set up.  Had ibuypower make it up for me <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Made sure to get windows xp pro not the new vista stuff thu.

[Owilliams]

<p>PS3 graphics capabilities are not better than the current crop of PC video cards by a long shot.  The difference that makes the PS3 games look so nice is "optimization".  Those PS3 games are optimized to the "nth" because they only run on one hardware.  PC games have to be able to run and look decent on hardware spanning a few years... so concessions are made.  Simply look at the tech specs for a PS3 and then go look at the specs for something currently being offered by Falcon or Alienware and it's easy to see what's what.</p><p>If asked my personal opinion, I don't see where comparisons between consoles and PCs are even valid... they are extremely "apples and oranges".</p><p>I wish one of the controller manufacturers for consoles would replace one of the thumbsticks with a mini-trackball for first person shooters... I really abhore playing those with a joystick or Dpad.</p><p>Happy Gaming,</p><p>--Orv</p>

[MrDaerion]

Wait a second. You're telling me that you've got your graphics set to Extreme Quality on a GF 7600GT while still maintaining a good framerate? Or was this just for screenshot purposes? Because in my system I've got a 7950GX2 (dual GPU card with 512 MB RAM each) and 4 Gigs of RAM and I can't even play on Very High Quality for some reason. And yes, I do have the latest drivers and all, just reinstalled my OS two days ago.

[Lariu]

<p>I wish there was some way to turn off the particle effects JUST for Cacophony of Blades. When I raid with any respectable amount of particle effects on I end up feeling like my eyes are melting.</p><p>I love the other effects generally - just wish there was a tick box in settings to turn CoB off.</p><p>Edit: I forgot the point I was going to make! Vanguard was supposed to be the most beautiful MMO. Having played it I can tell you yes, there's some nice scenery textures, but the character models are horrible. Some of the animations are nice, but the character textures lack the diversity of EQ2.</p><p>Essentially I'd have to agree with the person who said EQ2 is the best looking MMO. I've played a few and the balance of looks and playability, smoothness and resources needed to get decent results, are the best I've seen. You can't compare PC stuff to PS3 though - the PS3 is dedicated hardware - the PC does so much other stuff it's not built purely for games.</p>

[Siclone]

<cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote>Silentclaws@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>NiteWolfe wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Brigh wrote:</cite><blockquote>Try playing at those settings in a busy area or a raid. </blockquote> Since i got a new system i can  run around QH and raid in extreme quality. I do have to turn down the spell effects thu in a raid not due to lag but due to 24 players firing off spells and such i cant see the mobs to position myself LOL but it is a wonderful site! </blockquote> same for me.. its mad! you cant see anything lol my poor little assassin have to use sunglasses when the robes in raid starts to nuke <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> out of raid tho, its awesome. expecially now when they have fixed the sound to support true surround for a awesome total experience. runnin amd dual core 5000+ with 7900 gtx and 4 gigs of ram.. with a xi-fi sound card.. realy you dont need any better to get max grafics on raids. </blockquote>AMD 6000 am2 with 2 8800 ultras in sli. 4 gigs of ddr2 ram, 2 raptor 150 gig 10k rpm hard drives in raid  mode? Not really sure what they ment by that  but that said it was the best way for 2 raptors to be set up.  Had ibuypower make it up for me <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Made sure to get windows xp pro not the new vista stuff thu. </blockquote>wow guess you had allot of money to waste, do some research, sli just don't work that well.  just 1 8800 GTS would most likely get you the same results.  windows xp pro wont support direct 10X.  all the games going to be released will all be direct 10x