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Luxun
06-11-2007, 02:17 AM
<p>I'm making this point right now, right here because the DEVs are keeping an eye on their pvp thread so they might accidently see this topic. </p><p>Putting it simply Vox really needs help. We are willing to trade all of our coins and tradable items to have the chance to transfer to another server. We can go hours on hours without seeing a single player to to fight. 80% of our populaiton has already re-rolled to Naggy or Venekor. I really see no point even for SOE to keep Vox this dead, I don't even think if SOE is making much money off exchange server, not many toons are ever selling. </p><p>I hope someone looks into this issue, because its really getting frustrating.</p>

Novusod
06-11-2007, 02:31 AM
I have 5 toons on Vox and I don't think the population of the server is that bad. Most of the people in T7 have rerolled to play in T2/T3 because that is where the action is right now. If I am not mistaken there are 8 or 9 raid guilds on this server that can still fill a T7 4x. The server is not dead the players just arn't playing where you want them to play.

Groma
06-11-2007, 03:03 AM
<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have 5 toons on Vox and I don't think the population of the server is that bad. Most of the people in T7 have rerolled to play in T2/T3 because that is where the action is right now. If I am not mistaken there are 8 or 9 raid guilds on this server that can still fill a T7 4x. The server is not dead the players just arn't playing where you want them to play. </blockquote>Well, the action may be good in T2/T3, but its far from it in T7.  Currently, the big 2 or 3 Q guilds are raiding together because none of them are fielding x4s on their own. Exile has one raid force, and FPs have 1 raid force.  For T2/T3, i'm going on 3 hour straight in Ant/CL/TS/Nek and i've seen 4 people.

tass
06-11-2007, 04:34 AM
didnt they do the whole server transfer thing for this exact reason?

Wilde_Night
06-11-2007, 04:38 AM
Vox residents did not get the transfer option others did, because their ruleset is different from the other PvP servers.  They were kind of ignored.

CresentBlade
06-11-2007, 05:59 AM
<p>Vox is excahnge right?</p><p>Cant you just buy some people to fight?<img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>If it starts getting bad there they may let people transfer but there may be concerns of inbalances. So maybe naked transfers or just what your wearing ehhe. /shrug</p>

Luxun
06-11-2007, 06:43 AM
<cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Vox is excahnge right?</p><p>Cant you just buy some people to fight?<img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>If it starts getting bad there they may let people transfer but there may be concerns of inbalances. So maybe naked transfers or just what your wearing ehhe. /shrug</p></blockquote> Just so you know, on Vox you cant just buy anything you want. You can only buy tradable items, such as coin and mastercraft gear ect. They all mean nothing in t7 since 95% of the equipment you need are no trade. Also we both know that over 60% of naggy and venekor player baseuse use the chinese botter sites to buy eq2 plat, so give me a break.  IMO they should merge Vox with venekor or something, or just give us a free transfer ....or hell just give us a $50/toon transfer and we iwl ltake it. SOE could make some money out of it too, since everyone on Vox will indeed transfer lol.

Rajasa
06-11-2007, 10:38 AM
<p>Just a little friendly advice that I know no one will actually agree to do.</p><p>Stop twinking, level locking, buying gold online and making your characters uber beyond belief and maybe more people will play on the pvp servers and at least have a chance to compete and have fun.</p><p>Just because you have a higher level character with the means to twink, doesn't mean you have to. PVP would be so much more enjoyable if players were at least able to defend themselves.</p><p>I enjoy playing on Venekor, but some nights I wonder why myself. </p>

Bozidar
06-11-2007, 10:56 AM
allow transfers off of vox, as previously stated would not be possible, and i want the toons back that i sold because i believed SoE =P

DementedGerbil
06-11-2007, 11:02 AM
<p>/raises hand</p><p>let us xfer off, my entire guild would xfer to another server im sure of that since most of us hate vox, but to start anew this late in the game on vene or naggy we wouldnt get to where we are now by any means anytime soon, most quit before they reroll for that, nobody wants to do all the same quests just to roll the same class again, lord knows i dont</p>

Harbringer Doom
06-11-2007, 11:07 AM
<cite>Rajasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just a little friendly advice that I know no one will actually agree to do.</p><p>Stop twinking, level locking, buying gold online and making your characters uber beyond belief and maybe more people will play on the pvp servers and at least have a chance to compete and have fun.</p><p>Just because you have a higher level character with the means to twink, doesn't mean you have to. PVP would be so much more enjoyable if players were at least able to defend themselves.</p><p>I enjoy playing on Venekor, but some nights I wonder why myself. </p></blockquote> Just let me know the formula for how much fabled gear/masters/AA I'm allowed to acquire per character.  Thanks. Seriously, people are going to make their character as strong as possible within the ruleset, that's the nature of PvP.  Asking people to stop is utterly useless. If you choose to play on a PvP server, understand that you are going to have to compete with twinks.  Everyone started at the same place.  Nothing in Norrath is free.  Work at your character for as long as some people here already have, and you'll be able to compete too. Nothing is stopping you.

Rajasa
06-11-2007, 11:33 AM
<p>Good point Tesar. I agree with your response. </p><p>The game rules allow for the playstyle and people have "paid" their dues and gotten to higher levels to be in a position to twink an alt.</p><p>But... My point is... This is a major reason why the population is falling on the pvp servers. It's a double edged sword, so to speak.</p><p>A server needs fresh new blood to survive and new people coming over simply cannot compete in this environment.</p>

Harbringer Doom
06-11-2007, 12:39 PM
<cite>Rajasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Good point Tesar. I agree with your response. </p><p>The game rules allow for the playstyle and people have "paid" their dues and gotten to higher levels to be in a position to twink an alt.</p><p>But... My point is... This is a major reason why the population is falling on the pvp servers. It's a double edged sword, so to speak.</p><p>A server needs fresh new blood to survive and new people coming over simply cannot compete in this environment.</p></blockquote> Personally, I don't see evidence "that this is a major reason why the population is failing on the pvp servers."  I just see people making that claim. Sure, there are a couple anecdotal posts on the forums about people saying they are packing it in because of locking, but I'm not sure that's solid evidence that the server is failing because of level-locking. As Inigo said to Westley just before he told him Buttercup is marry' Humperdinck in a little less than half an hour.  "Let me 'splain."   [pause] <b> </b>"No, there is too much. Let me sum up." First, I agree that tweaks to the current level locking system, as a whole, need to be made.  But, at at what point do you oppress the "level lockers"?  Do you remove all ability to lock, forcing people to level up, miss content, be unable to play with friends unless they work their [Removed for Content] off at remaining the same level? I know people don't buy these arguments, and they profess that level-locking is about feeling superior, ganking, god-mode, title whoring, but I'm here to tell you its not all about that.  I'm one of the people enjoying being level locked so my small group of guildies will always be able to play together, and not get one shotted because we're grouped with someone too high.  We temper our leveling as a group. We attack people who we have no idea whether we're going to win.  We're not camping zones too low for us, we're searching for even level and higher PvP as much as we can.  We take little pleasure in ganking someone, and prefer to just barely win a fight, but if you're a solo green harvesting in the middle of the Commonlands, sure, we'll kill you.  Sorry, its PvP.  Come back again?  We'll kill you again. Be more smarter. There are PLENTY of places to avoid PvP in Norrath.  If you need to level up to compete, be more smarter.  Ask for help.  Get a group.  Level and gear yourself up in an instance.  I don't mind.  I'm sorry more newbs don't know this, maybe there should be an automatic mail sent to your mailbox about the way life is on a pvp server.  A Welcome to the Jungle type mail about how there are people out there who have been working on their characters for MONTHS.  Tracking down every last Master.  Getting all fabled gear.  Stocking up on the best adornments.  Placing AA in just the right places, and in the tens of hundreds.  Getting the bestest, fastest, more resistyest horse they can find, so nothing you can cast will touch them. And they are out there.  Waiting for you.  Hunting you.  So be ready.  Get stronger.  Play smarter.  Just don't come to the forums after each time you die and ask that their left arm be tied behind their back, and that they be stabbed in the flank once with a poison blade before your fight starts. I don't want everyone to be able to make their toon as powerful as everyone else with ease.  It sucks the fun out of the game to me.  I remember when everything was harder in this game.  Leveling.  Crafting.  Not getting one-shotted by reds in open T6 zones.  Its all being too watered down, and these changes are moving towards the next bucket of water being added. I don't mind the lack of debt, or the limiting of AA... but this is a slippery slope, and I'm worried where the next step will bring us.  You may keep all the new players who are pleased as punch that they can compete now in their island gear at level 23, but what about the competitors who are just sick of the vanilla flavoring that keeps getting added by the cupful?

deepruntramp
06-11-2007, 02:13 PM
Swashbucklers on PvP servers shouldn't be allowed to post. Your character is easy mode.  "Skill" to you is learning the Window Settings functions to make your always-up Track window fit your UI better. You don't have the right to tell another player to "learn to play" when you set difficulty to "Easy."  And still needed to turn on Godmode. Want to see PvP?  Go roll an INT caster.  You're not allowed to twink him at all, you can only use what you find, or the money made from what you find. Try and see how far your superior game knowledge and "skill" take you.  Even if you farm for a week, you'll still suck.

Harbringer Doom
06-11-2007, 02:55 PM
<cite>deepruntramp wrote:</cite><blockquote>Swashbucklers on PvP servers shouldn't be allowed to post. Your character is easy mode.  "Skill" to you is learning the Window Settings functions to make your always-up Track window fit your UI better. You don't have the right to tell another player to "learn to play" when you set difficulty to "Easy."  And still needed to turn on Godmode. Want to see PvP?  Go roll an INT caster.  You're not allowed to twink him at all, you can only use what you find, or the money made from what you find. Try and see how far your superior game knowledge and "skill" take you.  Even if you farm for a week, you'll still suck. </blockquote> Oh look!  Random internet jackhole # 76436373 posting about something he is completely ignorant of!  Yipee!  Permission to be a jackhole granted !! Hey genius, my low level toon is a Guardian.  Who's on... what's the phrase overused by kneejerk reactionary posters.... "team easy" now?   Just because you're absolutely soaking in bitterness and resentment in everything you post doesn't mean you know squat.  And every time you type you confirm it. By the by, here's the stupidest thing in your post, in case you were reading through it, picking your nose, trying to puzzle it out:   "You're not allowed to twink him at all, you can only use what you find, or the money made from what you find." That's where EVERY legitimate player starts.  With nothing.  That's where I started.  With nothing.  This is exactly where all my characters started.  With nothing.   Just because you can't manage to figure out a way to gear up, doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to gear down. Seriously, smash your keyboard through your monitor right now, it will be an improvement for you, and the overall intelligence quotient of the boards can rocket upward.  Or, in the alternative, post with a little more class, and we can discuss the issue like rational people.  Your choice!

Ozgood
06-11-2007, 03:04 PM
<p>C'mon here.</p><p>We <b>can not</b> allow Vox to merge because it will be unfair?  Because they can buy everything?</p><p>Never bought one thing.  A lot of people on this server are the same way.  Now, I could, which I agree with you, BUT-</p><p>You mean to tell me no one on your servers bought plat?  No farmers on those other servers?  Can you buy no-drop items?</p><p>C'MON!</p><p>More people to PvP and drop stuff means more for everyone.  Put a plat limit on it or something, but allow us to merge!!!</p><p>The more the merrier, especially with the well needed PvP changes that are going to make a lot of the uber pwnaagers leave momentarily.</p>

Ijiamee
06-11-2007, 03:09 PM
<blockquote>Luxun wrote:  Also we both know that over 60% of naggy and venekor player use the chinese botter sites to buy eq2 plat, so give me a break.  </blockquote>Really? 60% of all PvPers by plat? Interesting.

CresentBlade
06-11-2007, 03:13 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>C'mon here.</p><p>We <b>can not</b> allow Vox to merge because it will be unfair?  Because they can buy everything?</p><p>Never bought one thing.  A lot of people on this server are the same way.  Now, I could, which I agree with you, BUT-</p><p>You mean to tell me no one on your servers bought plat?  No farmers on those other servers?  Can you buy no-drop items?</p><p>C'MON!</p><p>More people to PvP and drop stuff means more for everyone.  Put a plat limit on it or something, but allow us to merge!!!</p><p>The more the merrier, especially with the well needed PvP changes that are going to make a lot of the uber pwnaagers leave momentarily.</p></blockquote>The whole point of the server was to be able to buy stuff, come on who are you kidding. What did alot of people go to Vox thinking Exchange was the servers last name?

Novusod
06-11-2007, 03:18 PM
I wonder how the players from the other servers would feel if bought toons from Vox were allowed to come to their server. I don't think they would like it very much. Even if nothing was bought on exchange Vox is a very different server in that you can solo here, quest, kill named, earn AA, and farm gear without getting ganked. If transfers were allowed off Vox I could see a lot of people creating new toons here to twink them up and then transfer them off when they want to PvP. They might as well let pve players transfer. The only other server I could see Vox toons being allowed to transfer over to is the bazzar server.

Vydar
06-11-2007, 03:27 PM
<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wonder how the players from the other servers would feel if bought toons from Vox were allowed to come to their server. I don't think they would like it very much. Even if nothing was bought on exchange Vox is a very different server in that you can solo here, quest, kill named, earn AA, and farm gear without getting ganked. If transfers were allowed off Vox I could see a lot of people creating new toons here to twink them up and then transfer them off when they want to PvP. They might as well let pve players transfer. The only other server I could see Vox toons being allowed to transfer over to is the bazzar server. </blockquote> Right... because we all know people who buy their toons and don't learn how to use them are uber <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Oh yeah, and bought gear, Mastercrafted, is the uberness.  Last time I checked, MC is pretty easy to acquire... the No Trade stuff is the uber gear.  Master Spells can be bought... but just like any other server, you can buy plat and buy masters.  Oh, and collections can be bought... just like on any other server. Oh, and with upcoming expansion... buying plat will do what for you?  Since no one will have it to sell you?  Hmm. And you can't tell me other servers don't have twink problems.  They're just as bad as Vox. The only difference between Vox and other PvP servers is on Vox SOE gets money out of people buying plat.

Ozgood
06-11-2007, 03:37 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Rajasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Good point Tesar. I agree with your response. </p><p>The game rules allow for the playstyle and people have "paid" their dues and gotten to higher levels to be in a position to twink an alt.</p><p>But... My point is... This is a major reason why the population is falling on the pvp servers. It's a double edged sword, so to speak.</p><p>A server needs fresh new blood to survive and new people coming over simply cannot compete in this environment.</p></blockquote><p><span style="color: #0000cc">First, I would like to compliment you on your post.  It states your POV quite well, intelligently and it was a good read.  To the person that attacked you, well...nevermind.  Anyways, I shall comment to your post constructively, from my POV.</span></p><p> Personally, I don't see evidence "that this is a major reason why the population is failing on the pvp servers."  I just see people making that claim. </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Well how long have you been on your server?  To me, on Vox, which this thread is regarding, the population in all tiers have been dwindling significantly over the last 6 months.</span></p><p> Sure, there are a couple anecdotal posts on the forums about people saying they are packing it in because of locking, but I'm not sure that's solid evidence that the server is failing because of level-locking.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Agreed, I think the population as a whole has dropped, which I will address here shortly. </span> As Inigo said to Westley just before he told him Buttercup is marry' Humperdinck in a little less than half an hour.  "Let me 'splain."   [pause] <b> </b>"No, there is too much. Let me sum up." First, I agree that tweaks to the current level locking system, as a whole, need to be made.  But, at at what point do you oppress the "level lockers"?  Do you remove all ability to lock, forcing people to level up, miss content, be unable to play with friends unless they work their [I cannot control my vocabulary] off at remaining the same level?</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Getting levels on this game ins't that hard, honestly.  The PVE portion of this game is very watered down, so that is an alternative.  I create toons that I keep within a designated range, with my buddies, so when we decide to roll them together, we can.  I wouldn't saying oppress in that 1.5 AA's per level still makes a decent toon.  Plus, there is always mentoring, but that system needs some help as well. </span> I know people don't buy these arguments, and they profess that level-locking is about feeling superior, ganking, god-mode, title whoring, but I'm here to tell you its not all about that.  I'm one of the people enjoying being level locked so my small group of guildies will always be able to play together, and not get one shotted because we're grouped with someone too high.  We temper our leveling as a group.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Hmm, I think this is a reach.  Why, because with /exp off and doing whatnot to get AA's will garner you less typically that 1.5 AA's per level.  So in order to play with your friends, you all had to die multiple times on purpose to get X amount of AAs to roll together?  You can still level lock...kind of lost me on that one. </span> We attack people who we have no idea whether we're going to win.  We're not camping zones too low for us, we're searching for even level and higher PvP as much as we can.  We take little pleasure in ganking someone, and prefer to just barely win a fight, but if you're a solo green harvesting in the middle of the Commonlands, sure, we'll kill you.  Sorry, its PvP.  Come back again?  We'll kill you again.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Agreed.</span> Be more smarter.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Disagree.  My main is a Coercer.  I am quite smart.  I cannot beat you if we had the same gear, unless I have a uber pet and get the jump on you while you are AFK.  I cannot run from most scouts because of in-combat speed.  I cannot evac.  I cannot see you coming with track, or stealth to avoid you.  I cannot EVER kill you in 3 seconds let alone 15 seconds. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Now should I automatically be able to beat you?  No.  Should I be able to compete?  Yes.  Should I be forced to level in instances because I didn't choose a scout or druid on a PvP server?  Hell, no!  I am a support player, I realize that, however, I should be able to compete, whereas right now, I cannot for the most part. </span> There are PLENTY of places to avoid PvP in Norrath.  If you need to level up to compete, be more smarter.  Ask for help.  Get a group.  Level and gear yourself up in an instance.  I don't mind.  I'm sorry more newbs don't know this, maybe there should be an automatic mail sent to your mailbox about the way life is on a pvp server.  A Welcome to the Jungle type mail about how there are people out there who have been working on their characters for MONTHS.  Tracking down every last Master.  Getting all fabled gear.  Stocking up on the best adornments.  Placing AA in just the right places, and in the tens of hundreds.  Getting the bestest, fastest, more resistyest horse they can find, so nothing you can cast will touch them.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">New subscribers is the lifeline of any profitable successful MMORPG.  A lot of PvP players is essential to the "fun factor" of any PvP server or game.  This game in it's current state, butchers new players.  Something had to be done. </span> And they are out there.  Waiting for you.  Hunting you.  So be ready.  Get stronger.  Play smarter.  Just don't come to the forums after each time you die and ask that their left arm be tied behind their back, and that they be stabbed in the flank once with a poison blade before your fight starts.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Never asked for a nerf in my life.  But, I think you would agree that there has to be risk associated with the reward.  Alot of the scout and rogue classes, with track, stealth, T1 DpS, evac and speed, have little risk and tons of reward.  If I as a Defiler, came rolling up to you and attacked you, I have a high risk o you killing me, even though I "supposedly" had the upper hand.  High risk, low reward.  Same goes for Pallies, Pet classes, enchanters and many others I am sure I am forgetting. </span> I don't want everyone to be able to make their toon as powerful as everyone else with ease.  It sucks the fun out of the game to me.  I remember when everything was harder in this game.  Leveling.  Crafting.  Not getting one-shotted by reds in open T6 zones.  Its all being too watered down, and these changes are moving towards the next bucket of water being added.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">1-3 second kills is fun for you and involves skill?  Wouldn't a great fight, with the same outcome (in your favor) because you are a superior player, with superior gear and superior AA's make it that much MORE rewarding? I am not attcking your class, but any class that can kill you in one shot or chain 8 CAs on you and kill ANYONE, even you, before you can react, is a problem, IMHO. </span> I don't mind the lack of debt, or the limiting of AA... but this is a slippery slope, and I'm worried where the next step will bring us.  </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Wait and see.  I think from the way you PvP, you will be fine and actually like the changes. </span> You may keep all the new players who are pleased as punch that they can compete now in their island gear at level 23, but what about the competitors who are just sick of the vanilla flavoring that keeps getting added by the cupful? <span style="color: #0000ff">Compete in island gear?  That is a bit of the sky is falling.  Doesn't even make sense and as you say, has no factual basis whatsoever. </span></p></blockquote>

Ozgood
06-11-2007, 03:46 PM
<cite>CresentBlade wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>C'mon here.</p><p>We <b>can not</b> allow Vox to merge because it will be unfair?  Because they can buy everything?</p><p>Never bought one thing.  A lot of people on this server are the same way.  Now, I could, which I agree with you, BUT-</p><p>You mean to tell me no one on your servers bought plat?  No farmers on those other servers?  Can you buy no-drop items?</p><p>C'MON!</p><p>More people to PvP and drop stuff means more for everyone.  Put a plat limit on it or something, but allow us to merge!!!</p><p>The more the merrier, especially with the well needed PvP changes that are going to make a lot of the uber pwnaagers leave momentarily.</p></blockquote>The whole point of the server was to be able to buy stuff, come on who are you kidding. What did alot of people go to Vox thinking Exchange was the servers last name? </blockquote><p>Usually like your posts, but this one lost me.  I am not kidding anyone, but agreed that the purpose of the server was to buy plat and items legally through SOE.  So on your server, there is no one on there, not even 20% that buy plat ILLEGALLY?  C'mon.</p><p>So your server, Illegal, still do it.</p><p>Vox, legal and do it.</p><p>Plus, if we are all buyers of toons and have no talent, that is just free Status and items for you!  </p><p>Please tell me why again, honestly, why you wouldn't want more people on your server PvPing?  I missed that in your response. </p>

Groma
06-11-2007, 04:03 PM
It would be pretty easy, allow transfers as a one time deal, suspend SE sales for that couple days of transfers, and only allow people to bring attuned/no trade equipment with them. With the exception of M1's, no respectable T7 player is using anything that he can buy on SE, and for the most part(rare fabled tradable items in HoS/LoA aside) purchase on the broker. I don't know how many people buy plat illegally on Nagafen, 60% sounds too high imo but i'm sure its a measurable amount of people.  Regardless, the option is there and SOE hardly polices it.

tass
06-11-2007, 04:04 PM
<cite>deepruntramp wrote:</cite><blockquote>Swashbucklers on PvP servers shouldn't be allowed to post. Your character is easy mode.  "Skill" to you is learning the Window Settings functions to make your always-up Track window fit your UI better. You don't have the right to tell another player to "learn to play" when you set difficulty to "Easy."  And still needed to turn on Godmode. Want to see PvP?  Go roll an INT caster.  You're not allowed to twink him at all, you can only use what you find, or the money made from what you find. Try and see how far your superior game knowledge and "skill" take you.  Even if you farm for a week, you'll still suck. </blockquote>Sounds to be like someone got slapped around by even are ugly cousin the bard class lol. And as irony would have it I made a brig once and named him easymode. Then every time I killed a q I hit my macro pointing at the name.  It just seemed so perfect a name class and macro ya know?

Novusod
06-11-2007, 04:23 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>I wonder how the players from the other servers would feel if bought toons from Vox were allowed to come to their server. I don't think they would like it very much. Even if nothing was bought on exchange Vox is a very different server in that you can solo here, quest, kill named, earn AA, and farm gear without getting ganked. If transfers were allowed off Vox I could see a lot of people creating new toons here to twink them up and then transfer them off when they want to PvP. They might as well let pve players transfer. The only other server I could see Vox toons being allowed to transfer over to is the bazzar server. </blockquote> Right... because we all know people who buy their toons and don't learn how to use them are uber <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Oh yeah, and bought gear, Mastercrafted, is the uberness.  Last time I checked, MC is pretty easy to acquire... the No Trade stuff is the uber gear.  Master Spells can be bought... but just like any other server, you can buy plat and buy masters.  Oh, and collections can be bought... just like on any other server. Oh, and with upcoming expansion... buying plat will do what for you?  Since no one will have it to sell you?  Hmm. And you can't tell me other servers don't have twink problems.  They're just as bad as Vox. The only difference between Vox and other PvP servers is on Vox SOE gets money out of people buying plat. </blockquote>Where do you get this idea that you can only buy mastercrafted on SE? You can buy an entire full-fabled charactor on SE for a few hundred dollars. SE really has nothing to do with buying plat. You can buy plat on any server through sirspamsalot.com but SE is about buying entire charactors with no-trade set gear using RMT.

Armironhead
06-11-2007, 04:23 PM
<cite>Luxun wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm making this point right now, right here because the DEVs are keeping an eye on their pvp thread so they might accidently see this topic. </p><p>Putting it simply Vox really needs help. We are willing to trade all of our coins and tradable items to have the chance to transfer to another server. We can go hours on hours without seeing a single player to to fight. 80% of our populaiton has already re-rolled to Naggy or Venekor. I really see no point even for SOE to keep Vox this dead, I don't even think if SOE is making much money off exchange server, not many toons are ever selling. </p><p>I hope someone looks into this issue, because its really getting frustrating.</p></blockquote><p>I cant agree more.  I would reroll on another server expect that i put so much effort into my toon that i'm kinda attached to it and would hate to have to start all over.  If we cant get off of vox, I hope at least that they will do something with vox -- like change the ruleset to hardcore -- no immune/no lvl ranges. </p>

natasha
06-11-2007, 04:42 PM
<p>Luxun,</p><p>I am fairly new to Vox. (as in the last two months new)</p><p> I have just brought 7 of my guildies with me from a PvE server and we are constantly recruiting more. We are all new, and we are continually running into new people who are just starting out like us. I've heard people say that exchange servers are nothing but greedy, only to come back to play with old friends because they found the markets and brokers just as pricey on non-exchange servers. </p><p>I've also heard people complain that Vox sucks because there's no one there...and then I've heard people pipe in and say that Nagafen was awful because it was too crowded and you can't complete a quest or take two steps without a constant fight, that they preferred it on Vox. The grass is always greener on the other side.</p><p>I can't count how many times I've heard someone complain that the population on Vox is dying off, and there are no fights to be found. </p><p>And yet, my crafters are ever competing again'st the latest wave of new crafters flooding the market, and I laugh when I am out in the Commonlands and get killed three times in a row because it's teeming with Freeporters. If I don't happen to come across Freeporters in my backyard, I go to the source, and I NEVER have difficulty finding any there. Plenty of solo and group action to be found in and around Freeport.</p><p>I have tried both Freeport and Qeynos sides. I found that it was a little harder to find Qeynosians for whatever reason,be it that they are fewer in number or tend to roam away from home less. So if you're looking for more targets, try rolling a Qeynosian!! I have never had a single day go by yet since I started my level locked noob toon where I cannot win and lose plenty of fights. They are out there...perhaps you aren't looking in the right spots? Hang in there! And keep your blade sharpened.</p>

Harbringer Doom
06-11-2007, 05:22 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote> <p><span style="color: #0000ff">Well how long have you been on your server?  To me, on Vox, which this thread is regarding, the population in all tiers have been dwindling significantly over the last 6 months.</span></p><p> Sure, there are a couple anecdotal posts on the forums about people saying they are packing it in because of locking, but I'm not sure that's solid evidence that the server is failing because of level-locking.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Agreed, I think the population as a whole has dropped, which I will address here shortly. </span> As Inigo said to Westley just before he told him Buttercup is marry' Humperdinck in a little less than half an hour.  "Let me 'splain."   [pause] <b> </b>"No, there is too much. Let me sum up." First, I agree that tweaks to the current level locking system, as a whole, need to be made.  But, at at what point do you oppress the "level lockers"?  Do you remove all ability to lock, forcing people to level up, miss content, be unable to play with friends unless they work their [I cannot control my vocabulary] off at remaining the same level?</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Getting levels on this game ins't that hard, honestly.  The PVE portion of this game is very watered down, so that is an alternative.  I create toons that I keep within a designated range, with my buddies, so when we decide to roll them together, we can.  I wouldn't saying oppress in that 1.5 AA's per level still makes a decent toon.  Plus, there is always mentoring, but that system needs some help as well. </span> I know people don't buy these arguments, and they profess that level-locking is about feeling superior, ganking, god-mode, title whoring, but I'm here to tell you its not all about that.  I'm one of the people enjoying being level locked so my small group of guildies will always be able to play together, and not get one shotted because we're grouped with someone too high.  We temper our leveling as a group.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Hmm, I think this is a reach.  Why, because with /exp off and doing whatnot to get AA's will garner you less typically that 1.5 AA's per level.  So in order to play with your friends, you all had to die multiple times on purpose to get X amount of AAs to roll together?  You can still level lock...kind of lost me on that one. </span> We attack people who we have no idea whether we're going to win.  We're not camping zones too low for us, we're searching for even level and higher PvP as much as we can.  We take little pleasure in ganking someone, and prefer to just barely win a fight, but if you're a solo green harvesting in the middle of the Commonlands, sure, we'll kill you.  Sorry, its PvP.  Come back again?  We'll kill you again.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Agreed.</span> Be more smarter.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Disagree.  My main is a Coercer.  I am quite smart.  I cannot beat you if we had the same gear, unless I have a uber pet and get the jump on you while you are AFK.  I cannot run from most scouts because of in-combat speed.  I cannot evac.  I cannot see you coming with track, or stealth to avoid you.  I cannot EVER kill you in 3 seconds let alone 15 seconds. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Now should I automatically be able to beat you?  No.  Should I be able to compete?  Yes.  Should I be forced to level in instances because I didn't choose a scout or druid on a PvP server?  Hell, no!  I am a support player, I realize that, however, I should be able to compete, whereas right now, I cannot for the most part. </span> There are PLENTY of places to avoid PvP in Norrath.  If you need to level up to compete, be more smarter.  Ask for help.  Get a group.  Level and gear yourself up in an instance.  I don't mind.  I'm sorry more newbs don't know this, maybe there should be an automatic mail sent to your mailbox about the way life is on a pvp server.  A Welcome to the Jungle type mail about how there are people out there who have been working on their characters for MONTHS.  Tracking down every last Master.  Getting all fabled gear.  Stocking up on the best adornments.  Placing AA in just the right places, and in the tens of hundreds.  Getting the bestest, fastest, more resistyest horse they can find, so nothing you can cast will touch them.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">New subscribers is the lifeline of any profitable successful MMORPG.  A lot of PvP players is essential to the "fun factor" of any PvP server or game.  This game in it's current state, butchers new players.  Something had to be done. </span> And they are out there.  Waiting for you.  Hunting you.  So be ready.  Get stronger.  Play smarter.  Just don't come to the forums after each time you die and ask that their left arm be tied behind their back, and that they be stabbed in the flank once with a poison blade before your fight starts.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Never asked for a nerf in my life.  But, I think you would agree that there has to be risk associated with the reward.  Alot of the scout and rogue classes, with track, stealth, T1 DpS, evac and speed, have little risk and tons of reward.  If I as a Defiler, came rolling up to you and attacked you, I have a high risk o you killing me, even though I "supposedly" had the upper hand.  High risk, low reward.  Same goes for Pallies, Pet classes, enchanters and many others I am sure I am forgetting. </span> I don't want everyone to be able to make their toon as powerful as everyone else with ease.  It sucks the fun out of the game to me.  I remember when everything was harder in this game.  Leveling.  Crafting.  Not getting one-shotted by reds in open T6 zones.  Its all being too watered down, and these changes are moving towards the next bucket of water being added.</p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">1-3 second kills is fun for you and involves skill?  Wouldn't a great fight, with the same outcome (in your favor) because you are a superior player, with superior gear and superior AA's make it that much MORE rewarding? I am not attcking your class, but any class that can kill you in one shot or chain 8 CAs on you and kill ANYONE, even you, before you can react, is a problem, IMHO. </span> I don't mind the lack of debt, or the limiting of AA... but this is a slippery slope, and I'm worried where the next step will bring us.  </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Wait and see.  I think from the way you PvP, you will be fine and actually like the changes. </span> You may keep all the new players who are pleased as punch that they can compete now in their island gear at level 23, but what about the competitors who are just sick of the vanilla flavoring that keeps getting added by the cupful? <span style="color: #0000ff">Compete in island gear?  That is a bit of the sky is falling.  Doesn't even make sense and as you say, has no factual basis whatsoever. </span></p></blockquote> </blockquote> First, the blue is killing me.  KILLING ME!   <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Second, I wasn't calling you personally not smart up there, it was just an expression.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I was talking to those who can't understand why they can't win a fight while they are jumped by a group of twinks while they harvest alone in the middle of Antonica. (I was exaggerating about the island gear) Lastly, again, my alt is a low level guardian, if I win a fight its certainly not in three seconds. 

Azrephail
06-11-2007, 08:04 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Rajasa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Good point Tesar. I agree with your response. </p><p>The game rules allow for the playstyle and people have "paid" their dues and gotten to higher levels to be in a position to twink an alt.</p><p>But... My point is... This is a major reason why the population is falling on the pvp servers. It's a double edged sword, so to speak.</p><p>A server needs fresh new blood to survive and new people coming over simply cannot compete in this environment.</p></blockquote> Personally, I don't see evidence "that this is a major reason why the population is failing on the pvp servers."  I just see people making that claim. Sure, there are a couple anecdotal posts on the forums about people saying they are packing it in because of locking, but I'm not sure that's solid evidence that the server is failing because of level-locking. As Inigo said to Westley just before he told him Buttercup is marry' Humperdinck in a little less than half an hour.  "Let me 'splain."   [pause] <b> </b>"No, there is too much. Let me sum up." First, I agree that tweaks to the current level locking system, as a whole, need to be made.  But, at at what point do you oppress the "level lockers"?  Do you remove all ability to lock, forcing people to level up, miss content, be unable to play with friends unless they work their [I cannot control my vocabulary] off at remaining the same level? I know people don't buy these arguments, and they profess that level-locking is about feeling superior, ganking, god-mode, title whoring, but I'm here to tell you its not all about that.  I'm one of the people enjoying being level locked so my small group of guildies will always be able to play together, and not get one shotted because we're grouped with someone too high.  We temper our leveling as a group. We attack people who we have no idea whether we're going to win.  We're not camping zones too low for us, we're searching for even level and higher PvP as much as we can.  We take little pleasure in ganking someone, and prefer to just barely win a fight, but if you're a solo green harvesting in the middle of the Commonlands, sure, we'll kill you.  Sorry, its PvP.  Come back again?  We'll kill you again. Be more smarter. There are PLENTY of places to avoid PvP in Norrath.  If you need to level up to compete, be more smarter.  Ask for help.  Get a group.  Level and gear yourself up in an instance.  I don't mind.  I'm sorry more newbs don't know this, maybe there should be an automatic mail sent to your mailbox about the way life is on a pvp server.  A Welcome to the Jungle type mail about how there are people out there who have been working on their characters for MONTHS.  Tracking down every last Master.  Getting all fabled gear.  Stocking up on the best adornments.  Placing AA in just the right places, and in the tens of hundreds.  Getting the bestest, fastest, more resistyest horse they can find, so nothing you can cast will touch them. And they are out there.  Waiting for you.  Hunting you.  So be ready.  Get stronger.  Play smarter.  Just don't come to the forums after each time you die and ask that their left arm be tied behind their back, and that they be stabbed in the flank once with a poison blade before your fight starts. I don't want everyone to be able to make their toon as powerful as everyone else with ease.  It sucks the fun out of the game to me.  I remember when everything was harder in this game.  Leveling.  Crafting.  Not getting one-shotted by reds in open T6 zones.  Its all being too watered down, and these changes are moving towards the next bucket of water being added. I don't mind the lack of debt, or the limiting of AA... but this is a slippery slope, and I'm worried where the next step will bring us.  You may keep all the new players who are pleased as punch that they can compete now in their island gear at level 23, but what about the competitors who are just sick of the vanilla flavoring that keeps getting added by the cupful? </blockquote>I'm new to this game, I've only been playin for about a month. I have to say that I agree with this guy. If people want to twink and lvl lock, let them do it. I've been killed countless times by these twinkers, i can tell they are twinked cause they eat through me like butter. I personaly don't see where any kinda of satisfaction comes form killin someone so far below, but thats the right they have. Let people get tons of aa's. Let them have all master abilities and fabled armor. If they invested the time to get it, then they deserve to have it. I admit it sux gettin killed by them, but i just try to roll with it... I am on a pvp server.  So what I'm gettin to is eliminate the pvp lvl range. sure you'll get choped down by a high lvl periodicaly, but from my experience people come to help when called. If some high lvl kills you, send out a shout. And the up side is, if a twink is bothering you, send out a call to a high lvl to mop him up.  Just my 2 c.

Harbringer Doom
06-11-2007, 09:30 PM
<cite>Azrephail wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm new to this game, I've only been playin for about a month. I have to say that I agree with this guy. If people want to twink and lvl lock, let them do it. I've been killed countless times by these twinkers, i can tell they are twinked cause they eat through me like butter. I personaly don't see where any kinda of satisfaction comes form killin someone so far below, but thats the right they have. Let people get tons of aa's. Let them have all master abilities and fabled armor. If they invested the time to get it, then they deserve to have it. I admit it sux gettin killed by them, but i just try to roll with it... I am on a pvp server.  So what I'm gettin to is eliminate the pvp lvl range. sure you'll get choped down by a high lvl periodicaly, but from my experience people come to help when called. If some high lvl kills you, send out a shout. And the up side is, if a twink is bothering you, send out a call to a high lvl to mop him up.  Just my 2 c. </blockquote> I'd love it.  Remove the caps! Oh, and by the way, my lil guard is what one would call a twink.  He dies all the time.  He kills alot of people, but people can compete if they want to.

Findara
06-11-2007, 09:31 PM
When every one left for nagy what did you think would happen?

natasha
06-12-2007, 05:20 PM
Well, I've tried the different PvP servers. Nagafen is full of gank squads too. I know plenty of people who thought it would be so great there, and who have either quit PvP altogether or come to Vox. Unfortunately even with the changes to debt xp, the slaughtering of newer players is going to continue, as is ganking, which is prevalent on all servers. People who will quit because they cannot kill someone easily or because they've been killed alot, are probably not going to enjoy PvP style anyway.

Kalyai
06-12-2007, 07:05 PM
<p>I feel the need to put my 2 cents in here.  I like vox.  I think the population is slowly building.  I am a recruiter for my guild and I get 5-10 requests for guild invites a day from new players on this server.</p><p>I like the lower population, because I like to quest and actually get things done, I also have no problem finding pvp when I want it.</p><p>I am able to enjoy all aspects of this game, and that is the only reason I am still playing it.  I don't want to be a part of a high population pvp server, and i DEFINITELY do not want to go to a pve server.  Vox is just right for me, and its just right for so many other people I know.</p><p>Luxun, I like you, but I don't like someone speaking for me without consulting me, and your post makes it sound like you are speaking for all of vox.  Yes, there are many that agree with you and want to be on a higher pop server, however there are many that do not agree, and are quite happy and comfortable with our server the way it is, and the way it is slowly growing.</p><p>If you want off vox, do what everyone else did that left vox.  Start over on another server.  From scratch.  Leave vox the way it is for those that actually enjoy it.</p>

Rastaah
06-12-2007, 07:37 PM
<p>LOL You guys are funny.</p><p>I actually agree with Tesar on this one <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   It is a jungle out there and people who don't like that belong on blue servers and there is nothing wrong with blue ruleset it is just not for me.</p><p> I get frustrated too but I get stronger , better, just like Tesar said. Case in point.   I hate , HATE how people can leave their group to avoid the level limits yet their healer can heal them anyway even if said healer is out of level range of those being attacked etc etc (thats my main whinge on the server at the moment) ANyways...so this happens to me a lot and I want to bang my head on the wall or at the least bang the cheap skates who do it head on the wall.  But no, I can't do that and I like EQ2 and the server so I deal with it.   </p><p> In this case I dealt with it by twinking my character to a level I believe gives her a chance even against a twinked level 39 (shes 32) attacking me with a level 41 healer in a zone with an 8 level difference.  She probably WON'T win but now i don't feel so helpless when it happens and at least I last a respectable amount of time, do enough damage to make them wonder if they are going to lose for a minute and feel a littel better heh.</p><p> Its about adapting on these servers.   In Vanguard I went for the FFA ruleset and honestly, I loved it.   So fun.  And it was the ultimate pvp boot camp.  </p><p>And I use my provisioner/harvester to make money with to buy all this junk for twinking and it does not come easy, but thats what I do.</p><p> But honestly, this ruleset is not for everyone, my own boyfriend (now ex) could not deal with it and left Venekor within 3 days of us starting there back when it first came out.</p><p>I stayed, still loving EQ2 pvp , just think it still needs more fine tuning but it rocks anything else out there at the moment.</p>

Luxun
06-12-2007, 08:22 PM
<cite>Kalyai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I feel the need to put my 2 cents in here.  I like vox.  I think the population is slowly building.  I am a recruiter for my guild and I get 5-10 requests for guild invites a day from new players on this server.</p><p>I like the lower population, because I like to quest and actually get things done, I also have no problem finding pvp when I want it.</p><p>I am able to enjoy all aspects of this game, and that is the only reason I am still playing it.  I don't want to be a part of a high population pvp server, and i DEFINITELY do not want to go to a pve server.  Vox is just right for me, and its just right for so many other people I know.</p><p>Luxun, I like you, but I don't like someone speaking for me without consulting me, and your post makes it sound like you are speaking for all of vox.  Yes, there are many that agree with you and want to be on a higher pop server, however there are many that do not agree, and are quite happy and comfortable with our server the way it is, and the way it is slowly growing.</p><p>If you want off vox, do what everyone else did that left vox.  Start over on another server.  From scratch.  Leave vox the way it is for those that actually enjoy it.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry to be frank, but when we are talking about the server as a whole, the minority's opinions doesn't matter. When they merged the euro server, I'm sure there were those among them that didn't want to be moved, they liekd their slow paced server, but their opinions didn't count because the majority of the server needed more action. </p><p>Samething with Vox, I'm sure there are people that enjoy the fact that Vox isn't  crowded, the there is a fine line between a quiet server and a dead one. You can't nonesense me and tell me there is action on Vox, there isn't, specially for the past 2 months. Every night we would go out to find pvp, nada, all zones are empty just the usual botters. There is a problem that needs to be addressed, and sadly the opinion of the minority doesn't count for much in these cases. </p><p> Also don't tell me to start from scracth just because I don't like it. I could teii you the same "leave the game if u dont like the idea of vox merging". Adding the option forus to leave is something that we should be entitled to, just like many other servers are.  Again get used to the idea that majority > Minority.  If they do open Vox for transfer so many would leave, and that everyone else will be forced to leave as well. All for good reasons too. </p>

eversilence1
06-13-2007, 04:59 AM
<p>soe needs to step up and tell us what is going on </p><p>the population is dead on vox </p><p>merge the server with everything we have  kill the exchange server </p><p>allow pple free transfers first then do the merge</p><p>so pple who want to transfer off to another exchange server can do so</p><p>but seriously if u keep going this server is dead and will die even more to the point of everyone leaving the game or going to another server but doubt they will go to another server after being left for dead by soe</p><p>so soe plz take the time and deal with this matter instead of ignoring it</p>

Xantinya
06-13-2007, 08:17 AM
<cite>Kalyai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I feel the need to put my 2 cents in here.  I like vox.  I think the population is slowly building.  I am a recruiter for my guild and I get 5-10 requests for guild invites a day from new players on this server.</p><p>I like the lower population, because I like to quest and actually get things done, I also have no problem finding pvp when I want it.</p><p>I am able to enjoy all aspects of this game, and that is the only reason I am still playing it.  I don't want to be a part of a high population pvp server, and i DEFINITELY do not want to go to a pve server.  Vox is just right for me, and its just right for so many other people I know.</p><p>Luxun, I like you, but I don't like someone speaking for me without consulting me, and your post makes it sound like you are speaking for all of vox.  Yes, there are many that agree with you and want to be on a higher pop server, however there are many that do not agree, and are quite happy and comfortable with our server the way it is, and the way it is slowly growing.</p><p>If you want off vox, do what everyone else did that left vox.  Start over on another server.  From scratch.  Leave vox the way it is for those that actually enjoy it.</p></blockquote>I agree with you, we are not in the same guild and I see the same thing (many new players asking for invites every day, many are coming from PVE servers and some from WoW), the population is definitely growing, and actually pretty fast right now.  I am guessing players who are focused mainly on their level 70 chars and/or in guilds recruiting only level 60-70 chars don't see it yet since new players are obviously not in their tiers yet.

Armironhead
06-13-2007, 10:33 AM
<cite>Xantinya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kalyai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I feel the need to put my 2 cents in here.  I like vox.  I think the population is slowly building.  I am a recruiter for my guild and I get 5-10 requests for guild invites a day from new players on this server.</p><p>I like the lower population, because I like to quest and actually get things done, I also have no problem finding pvp when I want it.</p><p>I am able to enjoy all aspects of this game, and that is the only reason I am still playing it.  I don't want to be a part of a high population pvp server, and i DEFINITELY do not want to go to a pve server.  Vox is just right for me, and its just right for so many other people I know.</p><p>Luxun, I like you, but I don't like someone speaking for me without consulting me, and your post makes it sound like you are speaking for all of vox.  Yes, there are many that agree with you and want to be on a higher pop server, however there are many that do not agree, and are quite happy and comfortable with our server the way it is, and the way it is slowly growing.</p><p>If you want off vox, do what everyone else did that left vox.  Start over on another server.  From scratch.  Leave vox the way it is for those that actually enjoy it.</p></blockquote>I agree with you, we are not in the same guild and I see the same thing (many new players asking for invites every day, many are coming from PVE servers and some from WoW), the population is definitely growing, and actually pretty fast right now.  I am guessing players who are focused mainly on their level 70 chars and/or in guilds recruiting only level 60-70 chars don't see it yet since new players are obviously not in their tiers yet. </blockquote>Maybe you're right about it at lower lvls --- i wouldn't know since I mainly play my 70 assassin. But, it remains clear that there is absolutely nothing happening for the t7s on vox.  For instance, I was in tt and bs for several hours last night and barely saw another soul.  Not even the usual farmers were there.  I also made runs through ss and lop, again nothing.  So while vox may be turning around at the lower lvls, how does that help those of us who have been on this server practically since they first turned it on?  We have to wait on our hands until the new comers (alleged) catch up? If SOE was about customer service, they would at least let me move my toon to a more active server. 

Kalyai
06-13-2007, 02:22 PM
<cite>Luxun wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kalyai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I feel the need to put my 2 cents in here.  I like vox.  I think the population is slowly building.  I am a recruiter for my guild and I get 5-10 requests for guild invites a day from new players on this server.</p><p>I like the lower population, because I like to quest and actually get things done, I also have no problem finding pvp when I want it.</p><p>I am able to enjoy all aspects of this game, and that is the only reason I am still playing it.  I don't want to be a part of a high population pvp server, and i DEFINITELY do not want to go to a pve server.  Vox is just right for me, and its just right for so many other people I know.</p><p>Luxun, I like you, but I don't like someone speaking for me without consulting me, and your post makes it sound like you are speaking for all of vox.  Yes, there are many that agree with you and want to be on a higher pop server, however there are many that do not agree, and are quite happy and comfortable with our server the way it is, and the way it is slowly growing.</p><p>If you want off vox, do what everyone else did that left vox.  Start over on another server.  From scratch.  Leave vox the way it is for those that actually enjoy it.</p></blockquote><p>Sorry to be frank, but when we are talking about the server as a whole, the minority's opinions doesn't matter. When they merged the euro server, I'm sure there were those among them that didn't want to be moved, they liekd their slow paced server, but their opinions didn't count because the majority of the server needed more action. </p><p>Samething with Vox, I'm sure there are people that enjoy the fact that Vox isn't  crowded, the there is a fine line between a quiet server and a dead one. You can't nonesense me and tell me there is action on Vox, there isn't, specially for the past 2 months. Every night we would go out to find pvp, nada, all zones are empty just the usual botters. There is a problem that needs to be addressed, and sadly the opinion of the minority doesn't count for much in these cases. </p><p> Also don't tell me to start from scracth just because I don't like it. I could teii you the same "leave the game if u dont like the idea of vox merging". Adding the option forus to leave is something that we should be entitled to, just like many other servers are.  Again get used to the idea that majority > Minority.  If they do open Vox for transfer so many would leave, and that everyone else will be forced to leave as well. All for good reasons too. </p></blockquote><p> If Vox merged, which personally I hope never happens ( I hope SOE sticks to its guns and continues to NOT allow mergers between servers that do not share the same rulesets), I would stick it out for a few, to see if I would be happy with the new change.  However, the likelyhood of me leaving the game would be very high, and I would have to start over from scratch on a brand new game.  Much like I had to do when I came over to EQ2 and started on Vox.</p><p>Luxun, of all people, I would think that you would know that I value your opinion, and though we haven't talked much at all in the past few months, I do still respect you for having an opinion even if it differs from mine.</p><p>I have to disagree with you here.  I don't know the facts, and neither do you.  I do know that you believe yourself to be in the majority on this subject of Vox being dead, and I do know that you believe that I am in the minority by thinking that the server is comfortable and slowly growing.  </p><p>Unfortunately, judging by the people that make a habit of voicing their opinions on the forums, it looks like you may be correct in your assumptions that the majority of Vox wants to leave.  However, I assume that the majority of the people that play on Vox, don't even visit the forums, much less take the time to post their opinions here.  Can you base your "majority rules" opinion solely on the forums?  Or even the few people that sit around in EFP chatting in 10-19 because they just dont feel like running around to do something?</p><p>The server is growing.  Not even 2 months ago, DoV averaged about 5-6 people online at any given time.  The past month.... we have been averaging 16+ at any given time.  We have turned away many of the new players that have been looking for a guild, and have seen them running around with other guild tags.  They are sticking around, they are leveling up.  Yes I understand that they are not tier 7 right now, but they are on their way there.  </p><p>Vox was in a downward spiral for a good long while.  But it is slowly digging itself out of the grave that you and so many others seem to have prematurely thrown it in.</p><p>I'm happy with Vox.  I plan on sticking it out, and continuing to enjoy myself with both my pvp and pve desires.</p><p>I truly hope that SOE doesn't forget that Vox has its own unique ruleset, and that there is no other server like it, and does not look at a way to merge Vox with any of the pvp or se servers.</p>

Luxun
06-14-2007, 04:54 PM
<i>I'm not asking for a merger, I ask for a ability to transfer. For those of oyu that liek it here, you can stay, but Vox's populaiton is to odead for t7 to meet the expectations of a lvl 70 pvper.</i>

Piccolo
06-15-2007, 12:04 AM
<cite>Luxun wrote:</cite><blockquote><i>I'm not asking for a merger, I ask for a ability to transfer. For those of oyu that liek it here, you can stay, but Vox's populaiton is to odead for t7 to meet the expectations of a lvl 70 pvper.</i></blockquote><p> <b><i>Yea, lets give Vox the option to transfer to Naggy or Venekor. just let me buy a couple lvl 70's. Just the classes that  my current guild would be in need of for raiding. i only want the lvl 70's with full Fable/PvP gear. 100 AA's and all masters. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> while your at it, enable transfers from The Baazar also, my PvE guild needs some 70's also.</i></b></p><p><b><i>/sarc off</i></b></p><p><b><i> Vox has allways been EXCHANGE,  you can and should never be able to transfer off that server. </i></b></p><p><b><i>IMO you want a better server, Reroll on a different server.</i></b></p><p><b><i>/thumbs Down for transfers</i></b></p>

Tatate
06-15-2007, 12:10 AM
<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have 5 toons on Vox and I don't think the population of the server is that bad. Most of the people in T7 have rerolled to play in T2/T3 because that is where the action is right now. If I am not mistaken there are 8 or 9 raid guilds on this server that can still fill a T7 4x. The server is not dead the players just arn't playing where you want them to play. </blockquote> Well, if no one stayed in T2/T3 and no one re-rolled to those tiers there would be action in T7! End the level locking...get to T7...FREEEEEEEDOOOOOMMMM!

eversilence1
06-17-2007, 05:00 AM
<p>soe plz can we get a answer to what ur thoughts are on this issue instead of leaving vox to die down to nothing</p><p>we need to know what is happening,or u will just keep losing players</p>

Roald
06-17-2007, 09:26 AM
<p>Ok i actually logged onto Vox with my 53 ranger before i made this post.</p><p>I did a /who all 10 70, (all the people from level 10-79) and i got <b>17 </b>people.</p><p>I have been level 53 for MONTHS because i can't name one person on qeynos side within +/- 8 levels of me.</p><p>I don't understand why people wouldn't let us transfer, apart from ignorance. Twinks on naggy are far stronger from what i have seen, and in T7 practically all gear is no-trade.</p><p>I really don't understand why anyone would disagree with us merging, and when some1 said in vent yesterday about people's claim of the population growing, we all just laughed. Dont people want more people to fight? Im pretty sure Vox people would never out-gear someone, so what is the point in not allowing us.</p><p>I live in england and can't even use SE, and i know a ton of people on Vox who don't use it, and most other people only use it to sell toons: the only people with bought toons in my experience are crappy pvper's and they don't really know the class.</p><p>So please SoE consider merging us, I cant think of one sane person on Vox who would be upset with that.</p><p>P.S. if someone could tell me how to post SSs on the forums I will, as i SSed all my research</p>