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Murrdawg69
06-01-2007, 01:33 PM
<p>Basically I know there is much more factors that just which is the better class, but say comparing each similarily like equaly geared/mastered and considering each tier of pvp basically T2,T3,T4 won't make it past that for a long while so im not planning that far ahead. And also considering I know how to kite pretty good (could get better) and also another thing is.</p><p>My plan would be to have the warlock on a nightmare and the dirge on a flying carpet (basically because carpet goes as fast backwards as it does forwards) I have been stumped with this decision for quite some time now, and I figured why not just use the forums. I also will be mainly solo PvP as that is my style of preference..</p><p>If you have experience behind each class, please comment thanks.. (first post hope it didn't suck too bad heh)</p><p>Sidistic, 20 Fury - Venekor</p>

tass
06-01-2007, 02:31 PM
well Ive heard a dirge can do a bit of dmg lower But the warlock can eat through grps with those dots. However you need to know the spells to continually interupt and stun the enemy and u'll need about 33 aa points to become a battlemage and get ur magi sheilding ward up to the top for soloing otherwise your just screwed as a mage. The dirge as I said can do a bit of dmg but not consistant with the ones ive fought. I think theyre skill comes in trying to debuff you and then try for the kill. However they get chain to survive longer. So with all the aa's and such id say a warlock would be the better soloer but he'll need the works mastercrafted/fabled gear, master 1/adept 3 spells and all of his battlemage aa's.

Bozidar
06-01-2007, 02:33 PM
<p>the dirge has track.. he's better for solo pvp.</p><p>he probably wouldn't win as many 1v1's.. but he doesn't generally get to pick his fights the way a dirge, or any scout, does.</p>

tass
06-01-2007, 02:35 PM
lol its not so much as you picking the fight as the predator or rouge who sees ur stealth or invis or both on track and comes to u regardless if you want to pick them or not.

Bozidar
06-01-2007, 02:38 PM
<cite>tass wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol its not so much as you picking the fight as the predator or rouge who sees ur stealth or invis or both on track and comes to u regardless if you want to pick them or not. </blockquote><p> except as a scout (lvl 20+) you should see them, and be able to avoid them (or kill them).  Just because a bard isn't a predator or a rogue doesn't mean they don't get evac.. they do.</p><p>warlock... don't.</p>

Arcanias
06-01-2007, 03:28 PM
    My biased answer is: Battlemage Warlock FTW!!!  I changed from wizard to warlock a while back and it has rekindled my love for EQ2.  With the right AA lines, the warlock is a beast.  I recommend the Battlemage line first and foremost.  The other line I recommend is the Strenth/Invoker line which improves your spell crit chance and gives you Catalyst (good combo with Rift and Manashield, since Catalyst drains health and not power when Manashield is activated)  Warlocks also can get Focused Casting in the Warlock AA tree which doubles the casting speed for 15 secs.     Since warlocks don't get Evac, I feel more pride in my title as a warlock.  I still think tokens and status are more important than infamy, but its nice to know that I truly worked hard to get my Champion title.  I'm not saying people with Evac didn't work hard for their titles, its just that I was once a Dreadnaught Wizard, and I feel more pride as a Champion Warlock.  Another good thing about playing a warlock is that many opponents will underestimate you, which means they won't run away.  I think the twinked warlock has a fair chance against all the classes except for Monks, but that may be because I haven't figured them out yet.  I'm still trying to figure out their weakness if they have any...    

frootloop
06-01-2007, 05:28 PM
<p>Assassins take the cake at t5,t6,t7 because of insane burst dps.</p><p>Warlocks at T2 and T3 are amazing, though may at least hang with a friend with track if u expect not to wait a long time.</p><p>My lvl 15 Brigand does pretty well, hes got consistent DPS and does very well solo against healers and pallys <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

deepruntramp
06-01-2007, 05:43 PM
Playing INT on PvP makes me want to punch babies. Your experience may be different, but I imagine you'll have more solo PvP fun with a Dirge.  Movespeed + Track ftw. As a Battlemage Warlock, you still need 1.5 seconds to put Manashield up.  Even with maxed Magi Shield ward, you're lucky to last that long. (that Fae in my sig used to be a Lock)

silentpsycho
06-01-2007, 06:25 PM
<cite>Murrdawg69 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Basically I know there is much more factors that just which is the better class, but say comparing each similarily like equaly geared/mastered and considering each tier of pvp basically T2,T3,T4 won't make it past that for a long while so im not planning that far ahead. And also considering I know how to kite pretty good (could get better) and also another thing is.</p><p>My plan would be to have the warlock on a nightmare and the dirge on a flying carpet (basically because carpet goes as fast backwards as it does forwards) I have been stumped with this decision for quite some time now, and I figured why not just use the forums. I also will be mainly solo PvP as that is my style of preference..</p><p>If you have experience behind each class, please comment thanks.. (first post hope it didn't suck too bad heh)</p><p>Sidistic, 20 Fury - Venekor</p></blockquote><p>My recommendation is to go with the dirge.  In the early levels, you can pretty much one or two shot anyone in your level range, have stealth and track.  Warlocks are ok on the power curve, but realize that without track you are at a major disadvantage solo.  I've re-rolled my lock now due to the ease of obtaining loads of aa's, and so far it's fun but I rarely solo him.  If you want to be a monster solo, go dirge or brigand/swashy.</p><p>dendrobatid - champion warlock of nagafen emenem - destroyer dirge of nagafen </p>

Arcanias
06-01-2007, 07:11 PM
deepruntramp wrote: <blockquote> As a Battlemage Warlock, you still need 1.5 seconds to put Manashield up.  Even with maxed Magi Shield ward, you're lucky to last that long. (that Fae in my sig used to be a Lock) </blockquote>        This coming from a lvl 23 ex-warlock with all treasured gear; I'm not surprised.  If you can't cast Manashield in time, then you my friend, need a lesson in PvP.  First of all, you are not twinked, so of course you are going to die fast.  I have over 40 % physical mitigation, which is amazing as an ex-squishy (I'm a Battlemage now).  I don't expect a T2-T6 to obtain that kind of physical mitigation, but you really are setting yourself at a disadvantage if you are using all treasured gear.  Second of all, you need to time your Manashield right.  Timing your Manashield depends on your opponent(s), since you might want to cast it earlier against a Ranger than say a Guardian.  I manage to get my Manashield off about 95% of the time, but it took a little practice.  So basically, if you are not a newb like Myluvforyou, and you use at least mastercrafted gear which prevents you from getting powned in 1.5 seconds, then you should be able to cast Manashield with no problems.

tass
06-01-2007, 08:41 PM
indeed if you havent got at least master crafted or high mig treasured that exceeds the mster crafted at a later level like 18 or 28 they usually come than you have no business pvping. Your just an easy kill to every twink out there. Its a twinky world and we are a a creme filled fat mans snack lol. To survive let alone solo or be wanted in a grp no matter the class you need master crafted gear min (fabled is the new wave and trust me master crafted doesn't compare.) All spells have to be adept 3 or master 1, and you need lots and lots and lots of aa's. If you don't have any than you lose. And if you say those things don't matter as skill always wins your a broke cheap liar who hasn't been able to afford them yet and as such dies to the twinky greens. You know there should be a radio station for people to insult other people about their veiws on games. Vanguard had a radio station but played update notes, game flame radio would be funnier than hell to listen to lol

Sildeven
06-01-2007, 09:05 PM
<cite>deepruntramp wrote:</cite><blockquote> As a Battlemage Warlock, you still need 1.5 seconds to put Manashield up.  Even with maxed Magi Shield ward, you're lucky to last that long. (that Fae in my sig used to be a Lock) </blockquote>You have no idea how to play a lock. At level 40 it is not that easy to get through a regen ward that absorbs around 290. Get through the lock that is at 40 percent avoidance. That has a damage shield that hits back for around 70 to 100 everytime you hit them or miss them. Nullmail when you get in the red. Oh ya and then about 3k hps or more  for 30 secs when you cast manashield.  Hit auto attack so they dont get behind you and just sit back and laugh.  Then collect your tokens in the end.  The warlock always has mad resist against poison and disease so even if you take an ht it shouldnt be that bad.  People give up way to early on the Warlock because you will get beat on while you are gaining AAs.  If you can stick it out there is no bigger reward.  Oh ya and take down most named you level or higher solo. 

Murrdawg69
06-01-2007, 09:13 PM
Right on, thanks all for your input has helped me lots, now just to start on the AA's. Good hunting all :&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Darkfir3
06-02-2007, 10:30 AM
Against the right classes I suppose that a warlock could be very effective, but as an assassin I havent lost a one v one against a caster other than a coercer since Ice nova would one shot me at 65 or so. Assassins have so much busrt damage that even mana shield does nothing. You pop manashield, I pop concealment and your dead in 3 seconds tbh.

gfx
06-02-2007, 12:23 PM
<cite>tass wrote:</cite><blockquote>well Ive heard a dirge can do a bit of dmg lower But the warlock can eat through grps with those dots. However you need to know the spells to continually interupt and stun the enemy and u'll need about 33 aa points to become a battlemage and get ur magi sheilding ward up to the top for soloing otherwise your just screwed as a mage. The dirge as I said can do a bit of dmg but not consistant with the ones ive fought. I think theyre skill comes in trying to debuff you and then try for the kill. However they get chain to survive longer. So with all the aa's and such id say a warlock would be the better soloer but he'll need the works mastercrafted/fabled gear, master 1/adept 3 spells and all of his battlemage aa's. </blockquote>Tass is totally right.

Arcanias
06-02-2007, 02:54 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Against the right classes I suppose that a warlock could be very effective, but as an assassin I havent lost a one v one against a caster other than a coercer... </blockquote>          Well then, you haven't met the right warlock...<img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Murrdawg69
06-02-2007, 04:41 PM
<p>So you vouche that warlock is very badass solo? </p>

Arcanias
06-02-2007, 06:24 PM
Like Tass said, as long as you twink your warlock with good gear and spells as well as earn enough AAs to at least get manashield, then I would say the warlock is good solo.  I can't stress enough how important AAs are to the warlock class; it really makes the difference in PvP as well as PvE.