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Haz
05-19-2007, 11:49 PM
Is really excited for the new expansion?? When I saw the race you could play, I was like, "HOLY DOODIE!" I just hope the female version looks awesome. =] I don't think I can wait until November...

initoci
05-20-2007, 10:13 AM
I honesly never thought that they would even make a female version of a Sarnak...I mean it would be really strange..They all look the same.

Haz
05-20-2007, 12:17 PM
They have to make a female version though... I don't want people thinking I'm a guy. D: D: Maybe they will be thinner than the guys or something.

Hannalynn
05-20-2007, 12:44 PM
There aren't male or female in Sarnak, they are geneticlly (magiclly now it seems) engineered creatures (sort of like Atrox in Anarchy Online). It would seem extremely silly to have two types of Sarnak to play, making one male, and one female. But I suppose depending on the lore, they could have evolved over time and through the necessity to preserve the line of their species, they would have developed some way to reproduce. But then, they could be like frogs and switch their own gender or something. ... ... Anyroad, what I'm saying is I think it would be cool to have an gender ambiguous species.

PassingStranger
05-20-2007, 01:08 PM
<p>Did they actually say back in EQ1 that sarnak didn't have genders? They're a combination of iksar and dragon, so it seems like there needs to be female sarnaks. How could there not be? Iksar reproduce sexually, dragons reproduce sexually, so there's no real reason why they wouldn't. Unless there was some specific reason mentioned in lore somewhere that they were indeed genderless. From a development standpoint, that would be a weird direction to go in, arbitrarily making an androgynous race.</p><p>And they could have been there if there isn't a reason otherwise. We may simply have not seen the females before, if you're looking for a reason to explain why they all looked the same in EQ1. There's a lot of NPC races that seem mono-gendered, but aren't neccessarily implied to be. For example, all the orcs we see appear to be male, they have a very masculent appearance, and are often seen shirtless (which even if they were meant to be models for both male and female that just look the same, I doubt they would do that, since even iksar females always have tops on, and they don't even have breasts. PC reasons I guess?). And it's even been implied in one of the in-game books (not sure if it was the L&L or another book on orcs) that all the orcs normally faced aren't even the entire species, since they all appear to be the males. So if there's not a specific explanation, there could be sarnak females hanging around somewhere that look distinct from the males.</p>

JohnDoe058
05-20-2007, 04:35 PM
<p>All I can say is that all non-human, non-elven females, make me wanna puke.  Female troll?  Disgusting.  Female ogre?  Scary and perturbing.  Female Iksar?  How do they ever reproduce?  I mean, even if you were that ugly, how could you get it on with something else that ugly?  Even the barbarian female models aren't attractive.  Has something to do with their faces looking like an industrial accident.</p><p>If it were up to me, most female models would cease to exist outright, leaving only the busty-licious humans, and the elves with their slender curviness and huge buttcheecks.</p><p>Either that, or make non-humanoid females somehow attractive in a dark, twisted way.  Have them look just like humans, except covered with fur/scales/green skin/whatever.  Like something from Star Trek...what do I know.</p>

Controlor
05-20-2007, 05:37 PM
<cite>JohnDoe058 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All I can say is that all non-human, non-elven females, make me wanna puke.  Female troll?  Disgusting.  Female ogre?  Scary and perturbing.  Female Iksar?  How do they ever reproduce?  <b>I mean, even if you were that ugly, how could you get it on with something else that ugly? </b> Even the barbarian female models aren't attractive.  Has something to do with their faces looking like an industrial accident.</p><p>If it were up to me, most female models would cease to exist outright, leaving only the busty-licious humans, and the elves with their slender curviness and huge buttcheecks.</p><p>Either that, or make non-humanoid females somehow attractive in a dark, twisted way.  Have them look just like humans, except covered with fur/scales/green skin/whatever.  Like something from Star Trek...what do I know.</p></blockquote>Um they lay eggs. Thats how iksars reproduce. Believe Frogloks do the same thing (laying eggs).

Lightstrider
05-20-2007, 06:23 PM
<p>I agree with the poster above about most of the female models.  The human and elven models are fine, but what happened to the barbarians?  In EQ1, they were pretty cute running around in their plaid skirts, but he's right, they have faces now that are just slightly more attractive than the ogres.  (Shiver)  As to the non-humans, harder to comment on what a rat thinks is attractive, but I don't have too many problems with them.  Erudites, the other sort of human model, all creep me out now compared to EQ1.</p><p>I imagine they will have to come up with a female model simply to keep it in sync with the other races.  Remembering that these are "altered" Sarnak, coming up with lore to account for two sexes should be no problem.</p>

Haz
05-20-2007, 07:11 PM
<cite>Lightstrider wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I agree with the poster above about most of the female models.  The human and elven models are fine, but what happened to the barbarians?  In EQ1, they were pretty cute running around in their plaid skirts, but he's right, they have faces now that are just slightly more attractive than the ogres.  (Shiver)  As to the non-humans, harder to comment on what a rat thinks is attractive, but I don't have too many problems with them.  Erudites, the other sort of human model, all creep me out now compared to EQ1.</p><p>I imagine they will have to come up with a female model simply to keep it in sync with the other races.  Remembering that these are "altered" Sarnak, coming up with lore to account for two sexes should be no problem.</p></blockquote>I agree. I'm sure they are going to make a feminine version. =] *excited* And I have a ratonga who is an exile right now. I think they are really cute, but humans are just ugly. D: And erudites...omg.

Zabjade
05-21-2007, 02:16 AM
<cite>JohnDoe058 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All I can say is that all non-human, non-elven females, make me wanna puke.  Female troll?  Disgusting.  Female ogre?  Scary and perturbing.  Female Iksar?  How do they ever reproduce?  I mean, even if you were that ugly, how could you get it on with something else that ugly?  Even the barbarian female models aren't attractive.  Has something to do with their faces looking like an industrial accident.</p><p>If it were up to me, most female models would cease to exist outright, leaving only the busty-licious humans, and the elves with their slender curviness and huge buttcheecks.</p><p>Either that, or make non-humanoid females somehow attractive in a dark, twisted way.  Have them look just like humans, except covered with fur/scales/green skin/whatever.  Like something from Star Trek...what do I know.</p></blockquote><a href="http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/55703583/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">For Female Iksar, it depends on how they are depicted. </a>

MysidiaDrakkenbane
05-21-2007, 10:51 AM
<p>Get rid of certain females because they're not asthetically pleasing??? Are you serious? This is a video game. They're not even real.</p><p>What might be "good looking" to you, might not be to another species. If you're going the Star Trek route, Ferangie (sp?) aren't that keen on human females. And it should be that way with certain species. Iksar males would be attracted to Iksar females. But to get rid of them simply because you don't find them attractive...is a little disturbing to me. They're cartoon pixelated images, not real.</p>

Celline-Layonaire
05-21-2007, 12:06 PM
Except the "Level increase" thing, 4 sure it'll gonnabe better even than the EoF i guess.

rvbarton
05-21-2007, 12:16 PM
<b><span style="color: #ffff00"><span style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size: xx-large">GREAT GOOGELEY-MOOGELEY! <span style="color: #cc0000"><span style="font-size: x-small">a female sarnak? Yer talking jibberish!</span></span>   </span></span></span></b>

Lightstrider
05-21-2007, 12:39 PM
I don't think they should get rid of the female models, not at all.  But I agree with the idea that the female barbarians could use a makeover.  Maybe I'm a shallow American, but if I'm going to be spending a lot of time looking at a character, I'd just as soon be enjoying it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> A woman can be big and strong without being ugly.

Seraki
05-21-2007, 12:57 PM
<p>As I recall from EQ 1 in the sarnak city there were some sarnak with royal title that marked them as male or female.   Now they didnt have graphic indication of them being as such but then again they were not a playable race so the devs didnt really need to worry about it.   </p><p>Also if my memory serves, they are the result of a failed attempt to create the perfict iksar warrior by breeding dragons and Iksar ( with some magical help lol) that was ordered by Venril Sathir during his days as a living ruler of the old Iksar kingdom.   They became slaves of the Iksar and later revolted to form their own kingdom (with some Sarnak remaining loyal to Venril later in his undead days).   </p><p>It would be kind of a game imbalance and a big dissapointment if they didnt have a female version IMO. </p><p>For me especially as Im not really happy with the female Iskar models.   I had a female Iksar warrior in EQ1 and loved the long lashing tail and the up on the toes type feet that gave them their look.   </p><p>While certain female attributes are not necessary on a lizard like model I think their still should be distinctively female models.   I also miss the face paint so Im hoping that might be an option with the Sarnak.</p>

JohnDoe058
05-21-2007, 02:01 PM
<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><a href="http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/55703583/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">For Female Iksar, it depends on how they are depicted. </a></blockquote><p>Yeah, they're kind of cute.  Wait, are you saying that I'd ever find a lizard creature to be attractive?  </p><p>NO!  </p><p>Well, maybe just a little.  </p><p>But I'd never "do it" with them!!!  Well, maybe for the right price.  Like 5000 bucks.  Hmm, I guess 1000 bucks would suffice; still a very good hourly wage.  Okay, who am I kidding.  I'd get it on with one of those Iksar for a handful of jelly beans.</p>

initoci
05-21-2007, 05:34 PM
<cite>PassingStranger wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Did they actually say back in EQ1 that sarnak didn't have genders? They're a combination of iksar and dragon, so it seems like there needs to be female sarnaks. How could there not be? Iksar reproduce sexually, dragons reproduce sexually, so there's no real reason why they wouldn't. Unless there was some specific reason mentioned in lore somewhere that they were indeed genderless. From a development standpoint, that would be a weird direction to go in, arbitrarily making an androgynous race.</p><p>And they could have been there if there isn't a reason otherwise. We may simply have not seen the females before, if you're looking for a reason to explain why they all looked the same in EQ1. There's a lot of NPC races that seem mono-gendered, but aren't neccessarily implied to be. For example, all the orcs we see appear to be male, they have a very masculent appearance, and are often seen shirtless (which even if they were meant to be models for both male and female that just look the same, I doubt they would do that, since even iksar females always have tops on, and they don't even have breasts. PC reasons I guess?). And it's even been implied in one of the in-game books (not sure if it was the L&L or another book on orcs) that all the orcs normally faced aren't even the entire species, since they all appear to be the males. So if there's not a specific explanation, there could be sarnak females hanging around somewhere that look distinct from the males.</p></blockquote>Horses reproduce sexually, Donkeys reproduce sexually and when put together they make a Mule.....which cannot reproduce itself.

PassingStranger
05-21-2007, 07:18 PM
The mule thing is because horses and donkeys are too distantly related for their offspring to be viable, so you are correct, mules are very much sterile. However, they still <b>have</b> genders. So by that logic, even if they are unable to reproduce under normal means, they would still have males and females, since dragons and iksars both do. The only likely reason why they wouldn't would be if they were specifically made to not have any reproductive anatomy.

Haz
05-21-2007, 09:58 PM
<cite>Seraki wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As I recall from EQ 1 in the sarnak city there were some sarnak with royal title that marked them as male or female.   Now they didnt have graphic indication of them being as such but then again they were not a playable race so the devs didnt really need to worry about it.   </p><p>Also if my memory serves, they are the result of a failed attempt to create the perfict iksar warrior by breeding dragons and Iksar ( with some magical help lol) that was ordered by Venril Sathir during his days as a living ruler of the old Iksar kingdom.   They became slaves of the Iksar and later revolted to form their own kingdom (with some Sarnak remaining loyal to Venril later in his undead days).   </p><p>It would be kind of a game imbalance and a big dissapointment if they didnt have a female version IMO. </p><p>For me especially as Im not really happy with the female Iskar models.   I had a female Iksar warrior in EQ1 and loved the long lashing tail and the up on the toes type feet that gave them their look.   </p><p>While certain female attributes are not necessary on a lizard like model I think their still should be distinctively female models.   I also miss the face paint so Im hoping that might be an option with the Sarnak.</p></blockquote> The face paint should be. It was shown on the sketches for Sarnaks. =]

archimidesX
05-22-2007, 09:55 AM
not that i remember any glaring differences in body style, however in Chardok there was indeed a queen among the royals...i can't imagine they would name one a queen without it being of the female persuasion, but i could be wrong...

Galithdor
05-22-2007, 11:50 AM
<p>Well female iksars dont look like females that much...but there are differences <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So there will be female sarnak hehe.</p><p>I too am excited about this expansion lol</p>

Illmarr
05-22-2007, 12:01 PM
<p>His Royal Highness: <img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/479/193.JPG" border="0"></p><p>Her Royal Highness: <img src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/479/195.JPG" border="0"></p><p>Not a lot of mammalian based difference, which is to be expected <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

initoci
05-22-2007, 03:10 PM
The Females have more facepaint?

Haz
05-22-2007, 05:12 PM
The face paint could be like makeup... I really wish they would release a movie soon. I wanna see the new race in action.~

Zabjade
05-23-2007, 03:11 AM
<cite>JohnDoe058 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><a href="http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/55703583/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">For Female Iksar, it depends on how they are depicted. </a></blockquote><p>Yeah, they're kind of cute.  Wait, are you saying that I'd ever find a lizard creature to be attractive?  </p><p>NO!  </p><p>Well, maybe just a little.  </p><p>But I'd never "do it" with them!!!  Well, maybe for the right price.  Like 5000 bucks.  Hmm, I guess 1000 bucks would suffice; still a very good hourly wage.  Okay, who am I kidding.  I'd get it on with one of those Iksar for a handful of jelly beans.</p></blockquote> I'll take that as a compliment on my artistic style. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Ponos
05-23-2007, 03:21 AM
<p>What's important is not so much gender, but that they are clearly differentiated from iksars.</p><p>If it turns into another arsai / fae situation, why bother at all?</p>