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Radigazt
05-11-2007, 12:38 AM
<p>I've now tested the 40% rule in multiple PvP encounters on several different toons of differing levels and gears on the Test PvP Server.  I've tested it both playing big hitting classes and playing against big hitting classes.  IMHO, the 40% rule has really helped make the PvP more enjoyable.  The combat tends to last longer and doesn't seem quite as obviously one-sided.  The same toons seem to win that won various matchups before (though I haven't played as or against every toon yet on the Test PvP Server), it's just that the fights seem more evenly matched.  </p><p>All in all, after testing, I give the 40% maximum damage rule two thumbs up.  </p>

Elephanton
05-11-2007, 11:48 AM
<p>I am not so excited, because this change just makes druid even more uber than they are now. Their only weakness use to be handling spike damage, now if there are no class that can do such damage, this would make druids pretty much invulnerable in solo PVP.</p>

slashalot
05-11-2007, 01:17 PM
looks like i will have to dust-off that L55 WIZ i copied and find out for myself

kreepr
05-11-2007, 02:17 PM
<span style="color: #ff0000">Would be nice to test I copied some of my toons about a week ago and still no show on test. Are they still allowing copies??</span>

Novusod
05-11-2007, 03:32 PM
Right now the classes are in no way ballenced for pvp. If no class can defeat the druid in a 40% ruleset than the druids will likely be nerfed somewhat and I see that as a good thing. I like the 40% ruleset because it will lead to an overall reballencing of the classes. I like to think of PvP as somewhat like rock, paper, scissors. Tank classes are rocks, healers are paper, and mages and scouts are scissors. Mages and scouts should be able to burn down healers faster then they can heal. DPS classes should be weak against tanks and tanks weak against healers. But that is not how it works currently. Right now there are some classes that cannot really be killed by anything and then there are other classes that are so weak in they are practically worthless.

Selioth
05-12-2007, 12:19 AM
ok lets not all get on the druid hating banwagon I play a 70monk and a 70warden (warden came 1st) and i can beat a warden/fury on my monk as long as i dont miss a beat and a few things go right almost anyclass if played well can beat a druid, hell i know a zerker that can beat a avg geared druid in about 5sec even if the druid has preheals up, and any scout class can if thay know there class at all, and i know some good mages at least one of each class to that can beat druids all day Its not that druids are ZOMG UBA its just most people dont know how to fight them or dont know there class at all and suck at pvp, If you have a problem beating a class best thing to do is roll that class and learn more about them TBH nerfing a warden would be really bad seeing as thay cant do that much dmg anyway unless there melee spec then thay can bust there load in 2sec and have nothing for awhile, and still not do 20% dmg to any class if anyone wants thay can just run from a warden and get away ez not like our roots hold in pvp for more then 3sec anyway and then you have 1min of imunity

Elephanton
05-12-2007, 02:11 PM
I have bruiser and warden as well and I don't agree with everything you said.

The_Real_Ohno
05-12-2007, 02:42 PM
Am I missin somethin here?  PvP dev even said on these boards that the 40% cap on test wasent really there.  I didnt see anywhere in the test notes about them turnin this on to be tested.

Selioth
05-12-2007, 04:16 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Am I missin somethin here?  PvP dev even said on these boards that the 40% cap on test wasent really there.  I didnt see anywhere in the test notes about them turnin this on to be tested.</blockquote>same ive never seen anything on the notes

Selioth
05-12-2007, 04:20 PM
<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have bruiser and warden as well and I don't agree with everything you said.</blockquote>then TBH you might not be the best you can be at your class(dont know you mr.anon), Ill be the 1st to say im not the best, but even as a bruiser i could beat a warden/fury 60% of the time, some stuff just had to go right

Kurindor_Mythecnea
05-15-2007, 04:43 AM
<cite>Selioth wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok lets not all get on the druid hating banwagon I play a 70monk and a 70warden (warden came 1st) and i can beat a warden/fury on my monk as long as i dont miss a beat and a few things go right almost anyclass if played well can beat a druid, hell i know <span style="color: #ff0000"><b><u><i>a zerker</i></u></b></span> that can beat a <b><i><u><span style="color: #3300ff">avg geared druid</span></u></i></b> in about 5sec even if the druid has preheals up, and <span style="color: #ffffff"><b><i><u>any scout class can if thay know there class at all</u></i></b></span>, and i know <span style="color: #ffffff"><b><i><u>some</u></i></b></span> good mages at least one of each class to that can beat druids all day Its not that druids are ZOMG UBA its just most people dont know how to fight them or dont know there class at all and suck at pvp, If you have a problem beating a class best thing to do is roll that class and learn more about them TBH nerfing a warden would be really bad seeing as thay cant do that much dmg anyway unless there melee spec then thay can bust there load in 2sec and have nothing for awhile, and still not do 20% dmg to any class if anyone wants thay can just run from a warden and get away ez not like our roots hold in pvp for more then 3sec anyway and then you have 1min of imunity </blockquote>Despite me humiliating my country's colors, I find that all of the wording with color assignments showcase why your opinion doesn't matter here. These arbitrations (flippant decisions) of being are entirely subjective and defined to no end, whatsoever. Allot us some of what be appropriate here and maybe you won't appear to be some bumbling, partisan Druid. (P.S. See the yellow-emboldened text under a post in <span style="color: #ffff00"><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=75&topic_id=361526�" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this thread</a></span> for the best alternative to the 40% damage cap.)

Selioth
05-15-2007, 08:59 AM
<cite>Kurindor_Mythecnea wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Selioth wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok lets not all get on the druid hating banwagon I play a 70monk and a 70warden (warden came 1st) and i can beat a warden/fury on my monk as long as i dont miss a beat and a few things go right almost anyclass if played well can beat a druid, hell i know <span style="color: #ff0000"><b><u><i>a zerker</i></u></b></span> that can beat a <b><i><u><span style="color: #3300ff">avg geared druid</span></u></i></b> in about 5sec even if the druid has preheals up, and <span style="color: #ffffff"><b><i><u>any scout class can if thay know there class at all</u></i></b></span>, and i know <span style="color: #ffffff"><b><i><u>some</u></i></b></span> good mages at least one of each class to that can beat druids all day Its not that druids are ZOMG UBA its just most people dont know how to fight them or dont know there class at all and suck at pvp, If you have a problem beating a class best thing to do is roll that class and learn more about them TBH nerfing a warden would be really bad seeing as thay cant do that much dmg anyway unless there melee spec then thay can bust there load in 2sec and have nothing for awhile, and still not do 20% dmg to any class if anyone wants thay can just run from a warden and get away ez not like our roots hold in pvp for more then 3sec anyway and then you have 1min of imunity </blockquote>Despite me humiliating my country's colors, I find that all of the wording with color assignments showcase why your opinion doesn't matter here. These arbitrations (flippant decisions) of being are entirely subjective and defined to no end, whatsoever. Allot us some of what be appropriate here and maybe you won't appear to be some bumbling, partisan Druid. (P.S. See the yellow-emboldened text under a post in <span style="color: #ffff00"><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=75&topic_id=361526�" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this thread</a></span> for the best alternative to the 40% damage cap.) </blockquote>any why exactly do my opinions not matter here?, oh is it because I am a druid? or because im calling out people that suck at there class? the point im trying to make is druids are not "ALL POWERFUL UBA LEET UNSTOPABLE CLASSES", I kill wardens and furys on my monk and my conj alot, and anyone who knows how to use all the potential<a href="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu91Mn0lGYBQBXAlXNyoA/SIG=16e1kbjgt/EXP=1179316428/**http%3a//search.yahoo.com/search%3fp=potential%26sp=1%26fr2=sp-top%26fr=yfp-t-501%26toggle=1%26cop=mss%26ei=UTF-8%26ei=UTF-8%26SpellState=n-889162824_q-YhjmnGQCqoHj1VzgthPoJgAAAA%2540%2540" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a> a class can offer will do the same, LEARN YOUR CLASS before b1tching and moaning about others.

Bozidar
05-15-2007, 10:26 AM
<p>druids aren't OP, though they are probably the most consistently powerful class across all tiers, but if this 40% goes into effect they will be.. like it or not.</p><p>You can go on and on about all the druids you mash on your 30 toons because they're so easy to kill <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Bottom line is that just because you can kill a druid when you don't have the RPS advantage, doesn't mean that you would kill the same level druid if it was WELL PLAYED.</p><p>You preach about playing your class right, ect... well, if the druids you so easily burn down and kill played their class right you'd never be as successful against them.</p>

Badaxe Ba
05-17-2007, 11:59 AM
<p>what 40% rule on pvp test?  Where's the fighting been?  I got bored running around looking for anyone, and have stopped logging on.  Or have an elite few been one vs. one and now going to set the standard for the entire pvp?</p><p>And another thing, a coder said the no zoning rule is going to be implemented with GU35, and again I ask, WHAT TESTING?  </p>

kreepr
05-17-2007, 01:45 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff0000">There has been none that I have seen. I rolled an asaria and been running around haven't even seen a Q.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">I have also been waiting for almost 2 weeks for my PVP toons to be copied in hopes of hunting down some pvp but I am still waiting. This really needs testing before it goes live. </span></p>

Necodem
05-17-2007, 03:35 PM
Ranger are still to much powerful with this...