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Ponos
05-09-2007, 04:32 AM
The only thing they didn't touch on was the skeleton revamp, new armor, and guild housing.  But my god -- everything else!

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 05:02 AM
<cite>Ponos wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only thing they didn't touch on was the skeleton revamp, new armor, and guild housing.  But my god -- everything else!</blockquote>What did I miss now?

Kethaera
05-09-2007, 05:07 AM
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Allakhazam is announcing EQ2's next expansion in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=361208" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this thread</a>. </span>

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 05:10 AM
<cite>Kethaera wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial">Allakhazam is announcing EQ2's next expansion in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=361208" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this thread</a>. </span></blockquote>Oh, time to read. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Methriln
05-09-2007, 05:41 AM
Well...im glad i got a load of cash for that nightshade b4 this was announced. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> least u dont have to farm pp anymore for those hard to find t6 masters.

Jal
05-09-2007, 05:44 AM
Im really not looking forward to grinding, harvesting for equipment and getting all my spells again. It does get old after a while. The rest of it sounds good though but itll be sad to make all T7 essentially worthless.

shadowscale
05-09-2007, 07:09 AM
wait till the raiders get it and find out they have less to do now at the new cap then they had before. and ya all that work on getting set items for nothing now. joy. now have to start over agen with the new stuff.

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 07:13 AM
<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote>wait till the raiders get it and find out they have less to do now at the new cap then they had before. and ya all that work on getting set items for nothing now. joy. now have to start over agen with the new stuff. </blockquote>Thats what is called progression isnt it? Even if they handnt raised the lvl cap, they would still have made all that old gear useless on new high end content.

Lakaah
05-09-2007, 07:18 AM
Seems pretty safe to assume that there'll be only level 65+ zones, besides the new 1-20 zone.. No new AA's to earn.. I guess I should be thankful to save $80 for two copies of Kunark, since there's nothing in there for me. <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Serso
05-09-2007, 07:18 AM
<cite>Ponos wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only thing they <span style="color: #ff0000">didn't touch on was the skeleton revamp, new armor</span>, and guild housing.  But my god -- everything else!</blockquote><p> Yes, I do indeed hope some word is given upon this key facet of teh future for Everquest II.</p><p> - Seliri D. of Nagafen</p>

kenm
05-09-2007, 07:21 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote>wait till the raiders get it and find out they have less to do now at the new cap then they had before. and ya all that work on getting set items for nothing now. joy. now have to start over agen with the new stuff. </blockquote>Thats what is called progression isnt it? Even if they handnt raised the lvl cap, they would still have made all that old gear useless on new high end content. </blockquote>Nah, progression would require you to have to do EoF and get the gear in order to stand a chance at clearing RoK zones.  Basically logical progression would require raiders to go through KoS zones, gear up through them, then they progress onto EoF zones, gear up through them, then finally progress onto RoK zones and gear up from them.  What's most likely going to happen is all our EoF gear will become completely worthless and replaced with legendary gear from easily duo-able group instances at level 80.  Also, all the KoS and EoF raids will be completely worthless and garbage low level content nobody runs, just like t5 and t6 raids.  Also, DMP is one of my favorite zones that requires actual thinking and it still drops some very nice gear, in RoK it will be completely gray and wasted content. So basically instead of people having to follow a line of progression, anybody will be able to solo up to 80, run a few group instances for legendary gear, and be ready to start RoK raids.  That's really not progression whatsoever.  <img src="/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Tash 1
05-09-2007, 07:41 AM
<p>Sigh I have to agree. Level 80 will make all KoS EoF next to worthless. Just as it did with all of DoF. I enjoy more content but every level raise will just leave the previous level cap zones uninteresting <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> /Tash</p>

Dakkon_10
05-09-2007, 07:54 AM
<b><i>Looks pretty good... except for the level cap increase. I thought they would only boost it up to 75 so they wouldn't ruin the huge amount of t7 content they have. They better have ALOT of new content in this new expansion is all I can say...</i></b>

Hardain
05-09-2007, 08:40 AM
People are allready complaining even tho they haven't seen anything that the expasnion will contain.

Azzikai
05-09-2007, 08:43 AM
<p>Level based games tend to obsolete their older content whenever they put out new stuff. EQ itself was probably the biggest offender in that regard but, oddly, it wasn't initially considered a bad thing. I guess the landscape of the gaming world has changed a bit. Still, until we see just how "dangerous" the Kunark landscape is we won't know what sort of gear is necessary to actually survive in it. It could very well be that while you do need Kunark gear to take on harder Kunark content you will need better than average gear from EoF (or whatever) to survive getting that basic Kunark stuff. Only time will tell, I'm sure the beta process in that regard will be interesting. </p><p>Don't like Venril Sathir. Never have liked Venril Sathir. Sad to hear Cabilis is in ruins too <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Jal
05-09-2007, 08:51 AM
<cite>Hardain wrote:</cite><blockquote>People are allready complaining even tho they haven't seen anything that the expasnion will contain. </blockquote>People arent complaining about the content just the level cap raise and the inherent issues that brings with it.

Kri
05-09-2007, 09:09 AM
<cite>Hardain wrote:</cite><blockquote>People are allready complaining even tho they haven't seen anything that the expasnion will contain. </blockquote>Since when do people on these boards need a reason to complain??? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kizee
05-09-2007, 09:16 AM
<p>ANOTHER 1-20 zone? <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I really hope you add alot to do for capped people because if its only 4 small raid zones then I doubt many will stick around.</p>

kenm
05-09-2007, 09:21 AM
<cite>Kizee wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ANOTHER 1-20 zone? <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I really hope you add alot to do for capped people because if its only 4 small raid zones then I doubt many will stick around.</p></blockquote>QFE If SOE decides to cut the available raid content in half by making KoS and EoF content obsolete, and only giving us four zones again, I could see this turning into a major disappointment. People outlevel low level content incredibly fast, people don't outlevel content at the cap because it's impossible to.  Logically there should be no reason whatsoever to keep adding more and more low level content. /grumble

madha
05-09-2007, 09:23 AM
<p>So out of the 350 new quests what 75 will be collection, maybe 100 for the newbs starting in the new city. 50 new writs. so a little over 100 for people in t7 t8,, sounds about like a SOE expansion for high lvl players to me. BUt whoopy epic quests for each class, hope its like eq1 where noone will help certain classes because there epics sucks, and make them all require different epic mobs to complete that are contested and drop ubber loot so people will hog them so noone gets their updates.  Make sure the epic quest line weps have procs that dont effect epics so they can be inline with the Fabled wep drops of raid mobs..</p><p>My thoughts on the lvl cap increase. There is no way this expantion will have enough content for lvl 80 players as it does for lvl 70 and that will make everyone complain.  THink about it this way how many instances can you do now that aren't grey at 70. 4 or 5 from KOS 4 or 5 from EOF and how many raid zones about 10 total that are still a challange at lvl 70.  THis expansion wont have those kind of zone numbers. and no one will bother camping the avatars or doing the Claymore or SOD quest, when SOE finaly gets around to finishing it.  All the complaining that people do for wanting to see lvl up messages will be for not when they get to 80 in a week and have nothing again to do.  SOE needs to send the power gamers back to eq1 which hasnt had a lvl increase in forever, they just got to 75 didnt they?.  Just remove the 50 aa per tree restrictions and let peopel grind aa like eq1.</p><p>And how will they scale the content for lvl 70-80 will it be based on people in full fabled 100 aa?</p><p>And will the guild rewards be worth grinding the lvls?</p>

Miele
05-09-2007, 09:44 AM
I'm baffled at the negativity, I really am. I can't wait to go again in the Kunark zones that gave me so much fun years ago, City of Mists, Chardok, Sebilis, etc. and even trying out a Sarnak if that will be the case (but not for long probably). About the mudflation, it's just the way it is, ya know... otherwise you could complain that at lvl 20 you have to change the gear you got in the teens. In fact I consider it a good thing that there is the need to upgrade my gear every xpac, otherwise what else could I do? Oh... epic quests again, about time <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 09:48 AM
Meh, dont be surprised at all the nay sayers. They always come out of the woodwork when there are tidbits of information coming about the new expansion. Just search the forums and you will see hoards of people whining about this and that in the next expansion, evne though nothing ahs been said at all about what they complain about. Just shrug it off and look forward to more content. Those people always whine.

Novusod
05-09-2007, 10:05 AM
Not impressed at all. - Boo to level 80 players. Not looking forward to replacing all my master spells or seeing what could possibly go wrong with the Bard class in T8. People will hit level 80 in two or three days after release and complain there is nothing to do. Especially going to hit raiders hard. Raiders will have to abandon 8 or so T7 zones get stuck with 4 or 5 T8 raid zones. Raiders will be stuck with half the content they had in T7. - Say no to Epic Weapons. Nothing will kill the game faster than uber 1337's monopolizing content. - Boo to no new AA trees. Enough said. - Sarnaks re-engineered. Recolored Iksar here we come. - Rhino Mounts. I was bored with wargs after 15 minutes and rhinos are even less interesting. - Guild lvl80. Confused at what a lvl 80 can do that a lvl 60 guild cannot.

Raahl
05-09-2007, 10:18 AM
<p>Worried about out leveling the KoS content?  </p><p>Worried that there won't be enough for a level 80 character to do in RoK?</p><p>Solution: Turn off your exp!   </p><p>Me, I'm excited about the upcoming expansion.  So far ever expansion has been very enjoyable for me.  Though it will suck when the enevitable new gear makes my current gear junk.  I guess that's the price you pay.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Not that my gear is any good.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Kri
05-09-2007, 10:20 AM
<p>Kenman and Kizee, you guys have really turned complaining into a profession (or maybe obession?).</p><p>The majority of the content will be T8 and some of the zones will be quite lethal according to the interview with Scott Hartsman. From the sound of it there will be very little for level 20-70 in RoK.</p>

Bramwe
05-09-2007, 10:28 AM
I didn't see the info anywhere so maybe I missed it but when is the release date?  I would assume November or around that time?

Geothe
05-09-2007, 10:46 AM
<p>Yeah, I was really hoping they wouldn't increase the level cap and just include a ton more top end t7 content.</p><p>Because now when players reach the new level cap of 80, they will have even less "high end" content then they do now....  and people complain about what there is now as is! lol</p><p> As for those lovely raiders that are complaining AGAIN about a lvl 1 - 20 zone.  Just shut it already.  Of course there is going to be a lowbe zone when they introduce a new race.    You want a legit complaint, start complaining that you'll have half as many raid zones in t8 as you do now in t7. LOL</p>

Novusod
05-09-2007, 10:49 AM
<cite>Raahl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Worried about out leveling the KoS content?  </p><p>Worried that there won't be enough for a level 80 character to do in RoK?</p><p>Solution: Turn off your exp!   </p></blockquote>I have an even better solution. Don't buy the expansion. Not like am losing out on the AA or anything since they are not adding new AA. If my highest charactor was only level 20 when KoS came out it was still worth it for me to buy KoS because my charactors could still get AA.

Kri
05-09-2007, 10:50 AM
<cite>Bramwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>I didn't see the info anywhere so maybe I missed it but when is the release date?  I would assume November or around that time? </blockquote>TBA, I think. Around Thanksgiving is probably a fair guess.

baguetteovenfresh
05-09-2007, 10:50 AM
kunark had several massive dungeons, including one super duper raid dungeon, in order of level - veeshan's peak sebilis chardok howling stones (charassis) veksar karnor's castle city of [ich kann mich gerade nicht beherrschen] droga kaesora nurga kurn's tower the number of dungeons was roughly equal to the number of zones in the expansion. not to mention random high end mobs in various zones (contested dragons etc). complaining because old content that many people have expressed boredom with will become obsolete is silly, especially considering epics should be long, convoluted quest lines with no spawn camping - that is going to give everyone plenty to do, id think, especially if you have a guild or friends that you play with. they said they were going to do tweaking of the various aa with no new tree - id hope that they actually do a new set that further modifies old aa. as it is for many classes there are only a few "good" aa trees so more variety at least within those lines would do well for the game.   

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 10:59 AM
Scott said they are aiming at on par, or even larger than the original kunar exp pack. Now, if they reach that goal, I'd have to say, you raiders will prolly get your fill of raid zones. I am gonna enjoy this exp pack. And I am quite sure that you hardcore raiders will get more than the 4 or so raid zones you dont have on farm status currently.

Rijacki
05-09-2007, 11:03 AM
<cite>Ponos wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only thing they didn't touch on was the skeleton revamp, new armor, and guild housing.  But my god -- everything else!</blockquote>The skeleton revamp and guild housing will come in GUs, not in an Expansion.  There is mention of new armor.

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 11:07 AM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ponos wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only thing they didn't touch on was the skeleton revamp, new armor, and guild housing.  But my god -- everything else!</blockquote>The skeleton revamp and guild housing will come in GUs, not in an Expansion.  There is mention of new armor. </blockquote>Actually, pretty much anything that is floating around about the skeleton system is speculation. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Theys aid they didnt wanna comment on it due to it not being done, and due to the massive speculations that it would give rise to. Heh. Cant win can they? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Sphiriah
05-09-2007, 11:10 AM
Very happy to see that Kunark is the next expansion. Can't wait to see screenshots and get some more info.

Besual
05-09-2007, 11:19 AM
Hm, 13 new zones... EoF was annouced with "over 20 new zones". Looks like at lunch RoK will be about 2/3 of the size of EoF. Level 80... yeah, finaly my main will see a true *DING* again after so many month. Epic quests for each class... yeah again. I have to admit that in EQ1 many fighter replaced their epic 1.0 quite fast with a better weapon but many other classes used their epics quite long. Sarnaks... I don't think we need with dragon blood weakened iksars <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> After getting two kinds of moth I don't see the need for a new race. But I guess that is the boon for players who are not in T7 to buy the expansion. New mount... hopefully it won't be so ugly as the wrogs. Guild level 80... hm... new titles and a new mount @GL 70 and again @GL80? May be we will see more benefices leveling a guild.

Mwahaha
05-09-2007, 11:21 AM
Well I am very excited about hearing this great news and can't wait for it to come out.  One thing I'm wondering about is that with the Sarnak as a new race along with the Arasai coming in the end of the month the evil races will outnumber the good/neutral ones.  So I wonder if they will add 2 new races in the future to balance this out.

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 11:23 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Well I am very excited about hearing this great news and can't wait for it to come out.  One thing I'm wondering about is that with the Sarnak as a new race along with the Arasai coming in the end of the month the evil races will outnumber the good/neutral ones.  So I wonder if they will add 2 new races in the future to balance this out. </blockquote>Sarnaks are gonna be neutral, and so is the new city.

Allisia
05-09-2007, 11:23 AM
The Sarnak and their starting city are currently expected to be Neutrally aligned according to the interview.

Jal
05-09-2007, 11:23 AM
Since they said Sarnak starting area will be for all neutral races id assume the sarnak themselves will be neutral.

Polywogus
05-09-2007, 11:26 AM
<cite>Besual wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hm, 13 new zones... EoF was annouced with "over 20 new zones". Looks like at lunch RoK will be about 2/3 of the size of EoF. </blockquote>Somewhere in that mess, they did mention how more than 1 "zone" would often be in an area...sorta seamless zoning.  I think they mentioned Burned Woods in particular, so...

Norrsken
05-09-2007, 11:27 AM
<cite>Polywogus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Besual wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hm, 13 new zones... EoF was annouced with "over 20 new zones". Looks like at lunch RoK will be about 2/3 of the size of EoF. </blockquote>Somewhere in that mess, they did mention how more than 1 "zone" would often be in an area...sorta seamless zoning.  I think they mentioned Burned Woods in particular, so...</blockquote>Yeah, they said that the zones would be quite a bit larger than EoF zones.

The_Real_Ohno
05-09-2007, 11:37 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Polywogus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Besual wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hm, 13 new zones... EoF was annouced with "over 20 new zones". Looks like at lunch RoK will be about 2/3 of the size of EoF. </blockquote>Somewhere in that mess, they did mention how more than 1 "zone" would often be in an area...sorta seamless zoning.  I think they mentioned Burned Woods in particular, so...</blockquote>Yeah, they said that the zones would be quite a bit larger than EoF zones. </blockquote> Thank god, my biggest let down of EoF was that most all the zones were so small, LP, BBM etc.

Raahl
05-09-2007, 11:40 AM
<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Raahl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Worried about out leveling the KoS content?  </p><p>Worried that there won't be enough for a level 80 character to do in RoK?</p><p>Solution: Turn off your exp!   </p></blockquote>I have an even better solution. Don't buy the expansion. Not like am losing out on the AA or anything since they are not adding new AA. If my highest charactor was only level 20 when KoS came out it was still worth it for me to buy KoS because my charactors could still get AA. </blockquote>That is another solution.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And the final solution would be to go nuclear and cancel their subscription.

Griffinhart
05-09-2007, 11:59 AM
I'm happy about this news so far. I'll have 3 level 70's by the time it comes out so it will be nice to be able to progress them again. I'm happy that there will be no new AA's this time.  Two of my characters were already high level when AA's were introduced so they are behind on AAs compared to characters started later.  This will let me max out AA's without falling further behind. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I did love the old Kunark zones so it will be fun to visit the new versions. Epic Weapons!  I am extremely excited about this part.  I don't mind long involved quests if the get you a nice usefull and cool reward.  That's what EQ's epics were.  But without the contested spawns like Ragefire or rare drops from mobs like Finny. Ten more levels will be enough for smaller guilds to progress through KOS and EOF raid content without greying them out.  I realize that big raiding guilds aren't thrilled with this part, but for smaller more casual guilds it means they can progress and finish story lines like the Claymore.  

interstellarmatter
05-09-2007, 12:02 PM
<p>Yay!  </p><p>When is Sony going to make an official announcement here?</p>

Josgar
05-09-2007, 11:26 PM
... technically there will be less zones... they announced giant region zones like western kunark for example. And in there, there would be regions so you could not count by zones... Saranark will rock <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Darn iksar impire expanding and do not forget: There will be 1-20 in the ocean zone and then upper level zones on rest of kunark

Galithdor
05-09-2007, 11:43 PM
<p>I have a feeling like 2 or 3 zones will be for levels 1-60...lol like the first one is 1-20 then 20-35 then 35-60...who knows but its sort of funny that people complain when its not even out yet! Im excited about this expansion and nothing will change that...I like it when they add new races/content for all levels. A rhino mount is a good idea...just be happy it isnt a horse! Sarnaks are cool so i really dont care that they are dragons mated with iksar lol its a change from the fae <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. </p><p>The level cap increase should amke you people happy but you are complaining about them adding low level content along with it...sort of stupid if you ask me but meh, thats just my opinion. Low level content keeps a game interesting to some people, just like high level content keeps the game interesting for people like Kenman...so dont trash talk SoE's ideas of adding content for all players...because they wouldnt do it if it killed the game lol. It might "kill the game" for some people but it dosnt kill the game for others, some people like alts and dont wanna go through the same content over and over. Lol okay my rant is over <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

dalaorn_eq2
05-10-2007, 12:42 AM
<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>Especially going to hit raiders hard. Raiders will have to abandon 8 or so T7 zones get stuck with 4 or 5 T8 raid zones. Raiders will be stuck with half the content they had in T7. </blockquote> Raiders can cry me a river and go jump in it for all I care.  If they're too stupid to use the Mentor button to visit previous tiers, that's their problem.  If their only reason, in response to that, to raid is to horde "phat lewt" and stand around East Freeport to look uber instead of doing it for the sheer challenge, then maybe they need to brush off the cobwebs between their faces and their monitors and find a more constructive hobby.

Josgar
05-10-2007, 01:00 AM
<cite>Galithdor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have a feeling like 2 or 3 zones will be for levels 1-60...lol like the first one is 1-20 then 20-35 then 35-60...who knows but its sort of funny that people complain when its not even out yet! Im excited about this expansion and nothing will change that...I like it when they add new races/content for all levels. A rhino mount is a good idea...just be happy it isnt a horse! Sarnaks are cool so i really dont care that they are dragons mated with iksar lol its a change from the fae <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. </p><p>The level cap increase should amke you people happy but you are complaining about them adding low level content along with it...sort of stupid if you ask me but meh, thats just my opinion. Low level content keeps a game interesting to some people, just like high level content keeps the game interesting for people like Kenman...so dont trash talk SoE's ideas of adding content for all players...because they wouldnt do it if it killed the game lol. It might "kill the game" for some people but it dosnt kill the game for others, some people like alts and dont wanna go through the same content over and over. Lol okay my rant is over <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> Didn't the interveiw say after level 20 it would feed you into old content?

Galithdor
05-10-2007, 01:20 AM
<cite>Josgar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galithdor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have a feeling like 2 or 3 zones will be for levels 1-60...lol like the first one is 1-20 then 20-35 then 35-60...who knows but its sort of funny that people complain when its not even out yet! Im excited about this expansion and nothing will change that...I like it when they add new races/content for all levels. A rhino mount is a good idea...just be happy it isnt a horse! Sarnaks are cool so i really dont care that they are dragons mated with iksar lol its a change from the fae <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. </p><p>The level cap increase should amke you people happy but you are complaining about them adding low level content along with it...sort of stupid if you ask me but meh, thats just my opinion. Low level content keeps a game interesting to some people, just like high level content keeps the game interesting for people like Kenman...so dont trash talk SoE's ideas of adding content for all players...because they wouldnt do it if it killed the game lol. It might "kill the game" for some people but it dosnt kill the game for others, some people like alts and dont wanna go through the same content over and over. Lol okay my rant is over <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> Didn't the interveiw say after level 20 it would feed you into old content? </blockquote>Dunno lol i just woke up when i read it...but im trying to prove a point <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It is a good thing that they do not cater to just high level players <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Talz
05-10-2007, 01:22 AM
<cite>dalaorn_eq2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>Especially going to hit raiders hard. Raiders will have to abandon 8 or so T7 zones get stuck with 4 or 5 T8 raid zones. Raiders will be stuck with half the content they had in T7. </blockquote> Raiders can cry me a river and go jump in it for all I care.  If they're too stupid to use the Mentor button to visit previous tiers, that's their problem.  If their only reason, in response to that, to raid is to horde "phat lewt" and stand around East Freeport to look uber instead of doing it for the sheer challenge, then maybe they need to brush off the cobwebs between their faces and their monitors and find a more constructive hobby. </blockquote>Grow up.  Really.

Galithdor
05-10-2007, 01:36 AM
<cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dalaorn_eq2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>Especially going to hit raiders hard. Raiders will have to abandon 8 or so T7 zones get stuck with 4 or 5 T8 raid zones. Raiders will be stuck with half the content they had in T7. </blockquote> Raiders can cry me a river and go jump in it for all I care.  If they're too stupid to use the Mentor button to visit previous tiers, that's their problem.  If their only reason, in response to that, to raid is to horde "phat lewt" and stand around East Freeport to look uber instead of doing it for the sheer challenge, then maybe they need to brush off the cobwebs between their faces and their monitors and find a more constructive hobby. </blockquote>Grow up.  Really. </blockquote>I think hes trying to say that there is more to do then raiding things for the best loot...but i dunno lol i just try and look on the good side of things when it comes to games...i dont see a need to stress out about them lol

Talz
05-10-2007, 01:41 AM
<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not impressed at all. - Boo to level 80 players. Not looking forward to replacing all my master spells or seeing what could possibly go wrong with the Bard class in T8. People will hit level 80 in two or three days after release and complain there is nothing to do. Especially going to hit raiders hard. Raiders will have to abandon 8 or so T7 zones get stuck with 4 or 5 T8 raid zones. Raiders will be stuck with half the content they had in T7. - Say no to Epic Weapons. Nothing will kill the game faster than uber 1337's monopolizing content. - Boo to no new AA trees. Enough said. - Sarnaks re-engineered. Recolored Iksar here we come. - Rhino Mounts. I was bored with wargs after 15 minutes and rhinos are even less interesting. - Guild lvl80. Confused at what a lvl 80 can do that a lvl 60 guild cannot. </blockquote>The majority of guilds that raid aren't clearing top zones of the current era.  It just doesn't happen and has been like this since the first EQ1 raid zones.  If anybody doubts that they can go on any server forum the day before the expansion launches and ask for a list of guilds that clear EH, IS and so on and a list of guilds working on it.  I know which list will be longer and I would be amazed, truly amazed if any servers had more guilds that clear the current era raid zones than they had guilds working on it.  This is relevant because the top of the line T7 fabled will be more than acceptable T8 gear.  Now I'm not one of the many twits that see the word raid and am immediately filled with seething fury but I think the actions of SOE have shown that content isn't aimed at the weekly full content scheduled raider. That being said, don't discount epics so easily.  You're going to be doing a lot of raids to finish them.

Talz
05-10-2007, 01:42 AM
<cite>Galithdor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dalaorn_eq2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>Especially going to hit raiders hard. Raiders will have to abandon 8 or so T7 zones get stuck with 4 or 5 T8 raid zones. Raiders will be stuck with half the content they had in T7. </blockquote> Raiders can cry me a river and go jump in it for all I care.  If they're too stupid to use the Mentor button to visit previous tiers, that's their problem.  If their only reason, in response to that, to raid is to horde "phat lewt" and stand around East Freeport to look uber instead of doing it for the sheer challenge, then maybe they need to brush off the cobwebs between their faces and their monitors and find a more constructive hobby. </blockquote>Grow up.  Really. </blockquote>I think hes trying to say that there is more to do then raiding things for the best loot...but i dunno lol i just try and look on the good side of things when it comes to games...i dont see a need to stress out about them lol </blockquote>I don't stress. <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It just would be nice if raid could be typed on this board without alarms going off and people manning their soapbox stations.

Despak
05-10-2007, 03:03 AM
<cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galithdor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dalaorn_eq2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>Especially going to hit raiders hard. Raiders will have to abandon 8 or so T7 zones get stuck with 4 or 5 T8 raid zones. Raiders will be stuck with half the content they had in T7. </blockquote> Raiders can cry me a river and go jump in it for all I care.  If they're too stupid to use the Mentor button to visit previous tiers, that's their problem.  If their only reason, in response to that, to raid is to horde "phat lewt" and stand around East Freeport to look uber instead of doing it for the sheer challenge, then maybe they need to brush off the cobwebs between their faces and their monitors and find a more constructive hobby. </blockquote>Grow up.  Really. </blockquote>I think hes trying to say that there is more to do then raiding things for the best loot...but i dunno lol i just try and look on the good side of things when it comes to games...i dont see a need to stress out about them lol </blockquote>I don't stress. <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It just would be nice if raid could be typed on this board without alarms going off and people manning their soapbox stations. </blockquote><p>I think his problem (and I have to agree with Novusod (and I raid btw), is he has a problem with the attitudes of our traditional raiding forum trolls.  They have no clue on what zones are in RoK but are are here to [Removed for Content] and whine anyway.  </p><p>Did these morons actually think that the game would stop at level 70 just so they can prance about like fairies in their armour at the harbour?</p>

Tash 1
05-10-2007, 03:39 AM
First of all peoples not complying about an expansion new zones or new races, only thing why people complain is the new level raise.<img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> There probably good things with higher levels but since I don’t like it I will just point out some of the bad things and let others point out the good. 1) Almost all previous zones are more or less abandon. Look at DoF Zones Lavastorm etc 2) Almost all older hard quest lines are abandon. Example Peacock Quest Line etc 3) It gets harder to get groups since the level difference make fewer player each layer available. If you on the other hand keep the level cap and just add new zones new content and abilities. That would lead to more content for everyone and have it easier to get groups. More different types of aa trees and equipment could let people tweak their toons into different directions and let a more variety of toon setups.<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> In this issue Guild War have a very interesting solution. They just have 20 levels and peoples don’t seem to mind at all. Anarchy on the other hand has 220+ and I don’t have the feeling that it’s the many levels that attract peoples there. /Tash

XHousedog
05-10-2007, 03:39 AM
Hmm very Raidunfriendly voices here, I'm not a hardcore raider at all but geared my toon up decently over the last half year. I'm a casual player all the way but managed to upgrade all of my spells at least to ad3. I think it will take me another year to get all this done for T8 then when ROK rolls on the servers. I can understand all the people being not to fond about the LvL increase. The best solution would be in my eyes to increase the LVL Cap to 75 to keep all the EOF and KOS stuff interesting. This would give both factions, the hardcore raider and the casual player new opportunities. And it would keep the "old" Legendary/Fabled Setitems/Items in value. Anyway no whining about this expansion from my side. When the levelcap is increased to 80, why not I will enjoy it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> It's just a game. Just my 2cent. Housedog

Goozman
05-10-2007, 03:55 AM
<p>The level cap is an awful idea. As people have said, the current raiding zones will be completely worthless, as tier 5 and 6 ones are. To all the anti-raider players welcoming it calling it "progression" (which it is not at all), you already have achievements available to you to continue enhancing your character. All they would have to do to increase character progression without wiping out all current content would be to add more aa's or increase the maximum aa's we can have.</p><p>All the work people have put into getting spell and gear for their characters will be immediately wasted if they screw up itemization like they did with KoS and the crafted gear upgraded. There is a chance they won't ruin it this time, however, if tier 7 raiding gear is still really good in tier 8; but considering this game's history, I <b><u>HIGHLY</u></b> doubt it will be.</p><p>If tier 8 crafted jewelry is 30 to all stats, or easy to get treasured stuff has the same mitigation as eof fabled loot, which I'm almost sure it will, then this expansion is going to be stupid.</p><p>If, however, a) tier 7 fabled gear is superior to sub-fabled tier 8 gear (with some exceptions), and b) the con range is increased so that 65-70 is still green to a level 80, then the level increase might not be so bad.</p>

Tandy
05-10-2007, 04:29 AM
<p>I am looking forward to it. Think a level cap increase can be a good thing.  When you go without one for a long time you simply increase the gap between the hardcore raider and the solo type players.  This way....at lvl 80 everyone is gonna be on equal footing and people who didnt raid before wont feel 'locked out'. </p><p>Will take even the uberest guilds a while to get geared back out, and lets face it....its gonna take most people who really wanna lvl about the same amount of time to get to 80.  Could be days or weeks depending on how hard they make the content.  </p><p>Now I am in a guild that raids...and we have fun doing it.  I dont think any of us are gonna feel like the sky is falling.  With a lot of people from EQ 1 I think everyone is just happy to be getting back to Kunark and see whats going on.</p><p>Epics are gonna be so much fun again if they are done in such a way that no class gets left behind on doing them, and I am sure the dev's already are familiar with the problems with them in EQ 1.</p><p>I expect everyone will probably be surprised by how much content is there for high level players when it comes out. With something the size of Kunark to work with, I think the dev's know they have to keep the raid content on par with what we have now and CAN do it with whats there.  </p><p>Lets at least wait and see what is said in the next few months before going to the extreme worst case.</p>

Azzikai
05-10-2007, 05:28 AM
<p>Since people have apparently NOT read/listened to the interview:</p><p>There is ONE leve 1-20 zone, Timorous Deep. It is the starting area for the Sarnak and other neutral races. After that they are being fed back into old content. </p><p><i>Timorous Deep is an ocean full of islands and the new city of Gorowin.  And that area is going to be level 1-20.  And once you get beyond that, the Sarnak story line for those folks who are starting out brand new characters, their whole story is all about getting back home and rejoining their race and finding out what happened.  Because really so much time has gone on that these people are exiles. It's essentially the classic hero's journey where they go through this period of innocence, they go through the rediscovering of the fact that there's an outside world, and then there's the eventual triumphant return home to defeat the bad guys and be reunited with their own history.  <b>So, that journey will take them from Timorous Deep back to the old world, up through Kingdom of Sky and Desert of Flames if people choose to go and level up there and then come back over to Kunark where the real bad guys are.  </b></i></p><p>Epics won't be the "sit in Lake Rathe for days" like it was.</p><p><i>Scott:  That's  a very good question.  What we're looking to do with these is we're looking to make sure... The refer to that as: What's your gating factor?  In order for there to be a certain amount of rarity there has to be a gating factor.  One of the big points of frustration that happened with a lot of the original EQ epics was the gating factor was always rare and long spawns.  Rare long contested spawns, whether that was Cazic Thule or whether that was Ragefire or whether that was... ya know.  And those things turned out to be an excellent way to make sure that there were very few epics or there was a very steady controlled stream of epics coming into the world at a predictable rate.   These days, 2007, people don't really balance MMOs that way anymore.  EQ doesn't even balance their later upgrades, they don't make those mistakes of the past either.  In a lot of ways we've been learning a lot from the EverQuest Live team as they've enhanced and changed their way of doing work too.  So what we'll be doing is trying to make sure our quests are gated on the difficulty of events, the difficulty of the quests, your ability to find other people to go help.  It's things that are in your control to go do.  <b>What we will not be doing is having you sit on a spot for three days hoping some guy is gonna spawn.  There's no need to control player action to that level.  It's just not important for the overall health of the game.  The most important thing is to make sure that when a person logs on their next step is in their control, not at the control of some arbitrary delay. </b> So, yeah.  We like the good parts of the original EverQuest epics which was everyone had a cool way and there was this feeling of brotherhood with other people of your class who all went through the same stuff.  You know, you see the weapon and you go: I know you've killed Cazic Thule cause you have this thing, congratulations.  Without the bad parts of, you know, you have your cleric one, you must have sat in Sol B for 900 weeks, I'm so sorry.  So yeah, we're aiming for power and we're aiming for a satisfying quest but we're not aiming for all the frustration that occured in the first generation. </i></p><p>And those other TWELVE zones that aren't the 1-20 content?</p><p><i>Instead of just making our outdoor areas single zones, we're making them bigger and making them full on regions of the continent.  So the continent is broken up into a number of these regions and within each of these regions you're going to find very distinct zones that will have some familiarity.  <b>Yes the environment is going to change, the lighting will change, the sky changes, you get a little pop up on screen that says: Now entering the Burning Wood, but you didn't have to zone to do that. </b> There will still be zoning between these big huge regions, but the zoning shouldn't be any worse a user experience than it was in Echoes of Faydwer.  So you'll be able to see a whole lot of areas that you did see in the past.  We're actually really really excited about that, one of the things that we've always wanted to do was making zoning less of a factor when it comes to gameplay. Tamat:  More seamless. Scott:  Exactly.  <b>And you can ever really take one of these zoned worlds and make them fully seamless, at least not on the scale that our world is, but we can do stuff with these ginormous regions that we have now that we're a few years in and the engine is optimized a whole lot better than it ever has been before so we're able to do stuff like have a Field of Bone and have Dreadlands and Burning Wood.</b>  We can have a lot of these areas that you're familiar with but you'll actually be playing in a larger region and so... But there's the standard compliment of dungeons and instances that will be around too.</i></p><p>Honestly, if people are going to complain about something you would expect them to complain about something that wasn't covered in the interview. </p>

Dewlix
05-10-2007, 05:41 AM
<p>EPICS, EPICS, EPICS!!! WOOOHOOO!!!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> I'm just wondering if they will be the Epic 1.0, 1.5 or 2.0? or maybe a whole NEW Epic weapon?!</p><p>New zones (some very familiar ones!), new race, more gods, seamless zoning...I can't wait!!</p><p>And my 2cp for the raiders.... Raiding shouldn't be about doing them just to get "yourself" uber gear, you should be wanting to help your fellow guildmates get their stuff too, which includes those in their 40's, 50's & 60's...so mentor down and continue to do the T5/T6 raid zones, use your knowledge of the raid zones to teach your guildies about raiding, what to do and how, and help them to get geared out....and not just focus on the new raid zones.  There are too many players that participate in raids and have no clue what they are doing, or what their exact role is, utilized the lower raid zones to effectively teach them so when they go to the T7/T8 zones they have a better understanding - this will make it more enjoyable for everyone.  Just my thoughts.</p>

Jagged Halo
05-10-2007, 05:50 AM
i really cant belive the moaners about the lvl cap raise KoS and KoS raid zones are already pretty much out of date most raiders only raid EoF zones as the KoS zones are to easy and the loot is not as good as EoF raid zones As a tradeskiller i am looking forward to the lvl cap increase it also gives some guilds the chance to lern by useing the KoS and EoF raid zones much the same way as DoF zones where used when KoS came out there is nothing but posatives in this expanstion Some peop;e will moan about anything if you dont like go play something else

R2D2s_Lovechild
05-10-2007, 06:11 AM
I agree with Azzikai. The moaners here are complaining about things that haven't been confirmed yet. And if you read Scott's interview properly, he clearly states the Sarnak zones will be 1-20, and the rest of Kunark will be high level content. New toons will start in Timorous Deep and the ocean zones, head on over to the old world, progress up through to DoF, KoS (and please don't forget EoF caters for all levels too). THEN you'll head on back into Kunark, where the real fight is. None of us know for certain how many of these new Kunark zones will be raid zones yet. None of us know how these new epic weapons will work, but Scott has hinted that it won't be like EQ1 camping. Seamless zoning in large outdoor zones, meaning more content than this preview reveals. We'll still get a number of dungeons & instances too. We've had no information on how many of these will be raid zones or what tier they would be. Some could stay in the T7 range, but it's likely that they will all scale up in difficulty much the same way that KoS and EoF raid zones have. I really think it's to soon to be complaining about this. To assume that the devs don't know what they're doing is a little narrow-minded imho. I'm sure current Avatars and possibly some other current content may be scaled up a little to allow for this new level cap. Until we've got more facts, we can't be sure of anything. I happily join the camp of people who are thrilled to hear about this new expansion. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Goozman
05-10-2007, 06:24 AM
<p>The two arguments at the top of this page are ridiculous lol</p><p>Raiding guilds don't have level 30-40 members in the first place, not to mention taking any time to mentor and raid for them would be absolutely ludicrous, since those levels are insanely quick to level through</p><p>And KoS zones are not out of date at all. There are over a dozen raiding guilds on my server, and only a few of them can do EoF zones, the rest are still enjoying KoS, which will be made unenjoyable once common tier 8 gear is released. (That is, assuming SoE follows the same trend as with previous expansions)</p>

Goozman
05-10-2007, 06:25 AM
<p>The forums are tripping out</p>

Goozman
05-10-2007, 06:25 AM
<p>The Forums are tripping out x 2</p>

Rahatmattata
05-10-2007, 06:31 AM
<p>I'm excited for the new expansion and the level cap increases. There is good potential to do this expansion right. I can honestly understand all the people "whining and complain" having their fears, but I'm not really sure they understand that this really could be a good thing if done right. And tbh, I think the devs have been doing a lot of things right lately. People were crying about a new evil fae (including myself to an extent) and then SOE says... but wait, we have a new race coming out in the next expansion. I'm really excited about GU35 with Neriak and I guess even the Arasai (sp) will be cool, and the new /lfg tool revamp. The addition of a new mount was cool, and the rhino will be cool just to have diversity if nothing else. Now we will have horses, magic carpets, hoverplatforms, wargs (worgs?), and rhinos, and probably/possibly even more in the future. Someone mentioned if the Saranak (again.. sp?) are evil that will be more evil classes than good, and I haven't counted, but... Good got the froglocks, then they got the Fae. As of right now, Evil has gotten nothing. We are about to get the Arasai, and the Saranak's will probably be nuetral. And we will have Qeynos, Freeport, Kelethin, RoK zone (I don't know what the city is called there), Neriak, and Maj'Dul to live in.</p><p>The increased adventure cap to 80 has a lot of people worried. But, if the xp is slow enough, it could take quite a while to cap out... actually I would prefer vitality xp gone after level 70, but hey, 98% sure that's not gonna happen. The point is, noone knows how long it's gonna take to grind from 70-80, and there is *potential* that SOE could decide to really slow down the xp rate in T8.. we just don't know yet. A lot of people are also worried about grayed out useless T7 raid zones (just like DoF!), even though they won't be grayed out, and won't be useless. Most if not all T7 named epic mobs are level 70+ which means they will still drop loot, still give AA, and still be worth doing. And unfortunatly for the 1, maybe 2, raid guilds on each server that try to keep all the contested content locked down so no other guild can even take pulls to try and learn the encounter to become competitive, your average raid guild will be able to kill the avatars, matron, kos contested/etc... just like your average guild today can kill DoF contested.</p><p>And DoF raid loot still outshines T7 legendary and especially mastercrafted in most cases. Some of the jewelery sucks, I agree compared to T7 legendary/mastercrafted, but as far as armor... it's pretty good. My guardian is in mostly a DoF fabled kit, and not even from the hardest raids (mostly courts and the Maj'Dul dragons), and I have a really hard time finding upgrades in T7 (though I admit my guard is only level 67 and has pretty much stayed in SoS doing claymore). It has more mitigation than Xegonite, and in most cases more stats, resists and things like +parry, +defense, etc. I'll take my DoF fabled over xego and KoS treasured any day. Of course once you are level 80, the KoS stuff isn't really gonna cut it anymore, but I would suspect it's still better than T8 mastercrafted. EoF legendary will probably be a good bit better than T8 mastercrafted, and EoF fabled I'd guess (and hope) will be slightly better than most mid level T8 legendary, probably on par with level 77-80 legendary more or less. If this turns out to be the case, there would still be great benefit to raiding T7 which would be green - blue for your starting raid guild, or low-mid raid guild to gear up for harder T8 raiding. At least, the potential is there to do it right. It is possible with proper itemization to make the T7 raids useful for gearing up for the low end T8 raids.</p><p>About the cutting content in half and having only a handful of raids, instances, and contested compared to now, this has me a bit worried as well, but again, there is potential to do that right. It will probably take the average raid guild months of hard work to clear all T8 raid content, and even the ubah raid guilds could take a few months to completly clear all instances and contested *if designed right*. By the time these guilds are clearing the T8 raid zones and just about getting them on farm status, we would hopefully see new raid (and group) content released via GUs. And to be quite honest, there are generally 1 maybe 2 raiding guilds on each server that can kill everything in EoF at this moment in time, and the majority of the raiding population isn't even close to having all instances cleared, and will probably never get to touch a T7 contested mob until T8. Most raid guilds that I know of are doing a lot of KoS and getting their first taste of EoF raiding and 1 or 2 EoF zones on farm status.</p><p>But yea, there will undoubtedly be some hardcore ubah must destroy all content in a day guilds that take a week off from work to kill everything in the new expansion and be the first to level 80, and then they will come crying on the board cuz there's nothing to do... but tbh, those players are a very small minority, and most people will take a few weeks + to reach the new cap to even think about zoning into epic instances, or even reach the new cap and start farming all of EoF/KoS to gear up and start heading into T8 raiding. I find, imo, that the gamers that try and get server firsts and worldwide first end up being the most bored and least unhappy gamers in the long run. Sure you were the first to clear some instance, but guess what... you get nothing. Some other casual guild is going to come along 6 months from now and do the same instances and get the same loot and have 100x more fun along the way because they are taking it much slower and spreading out their gameplay enjoyment over many months rather than cramming it all into 1 or 2 sleepless months and then running dry of content/upgrades. The only thing you get are bragging rights (which really mean absolutly nothing in the real world outside the game), and maybe if you are lucky, your MT or guild officer gets a nice mythical item to link in world chat a few times a day.</p><p>But anyway, I think this could be done right and a good thing... to me it would be perfect if:</p><ul><li>It takes 1 month + for the average 20 - 30 hour a week gamer to level from 70-80</li><li>Labs fabled (not relic) is equal to, or *slightly* better than T8 Mastercrafted</li><li>By the time the average guild can clear 60-75% of the instanced raid content, new zones are added via GUs</li><li>Contested have a *huge* spawn window (like 5-12 days) and can pop in multiple locations in the zone. This would give other guilds a chance to take pulls and actually provide some competition, I know all you top guilds that have [I cannot control my vocabulary] locked down are gonna flame me for this one <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </li></ul><p>As always, this is just IMO and etc what not and so forth.</p>

Rahatmattata
05-10-2007, 06:32 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>And my 2cp for the raiders.... Raiding shouldn't be about doing them just to get "yourself" uber gear, you should be wanting to help your fellow guildmates get their stuff too, which includes those in their 40's, 50's & 60's...so mentor down and continue to do the T5/T6 raid zones, use your knowledge of the raid zones to teach your guildies about raiding, what to do and how, and help them to get geared out....and not just focus on the new raid zones.  There are too many players that participate in raids and have no clue what they are doing, or what their exact role is, utilized the lower raid zones to effectively teach them so when they go to the T7/T8 zones they have a better understanding - this will make it more enjoyable for everyone.  Just my thoughts.</p></blockquote> That would be nice in a perfect world, however most raid guilds won't even look at you or take you seriously unless you are level 70/50AA fully Ad3/Mastered.

RoXx
05-10-2007, 07:53 AM
I see no mentioning of dyes <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Saroc_Luclin
05-10-2007, 08:50 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>EPICS, EPICS, EPICS!!! WOOOHOOO!!!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> I'm just wondering if they will be the Epic 1.0, 1.5 or 2.0? or maybe a whole NEW Epic weapon?!</p></blockquote> Sounds like there will be a 1.5 and a 2.0 Epic. If you read the transcript he describes how you will get the initial weapon and quest to improve it up, group tasks at first to give a grouping reward, and then raiding to finish it off to its final stages. The method sounds exactly like EQLive attempted with the 1.5/2.0 Epics (though granted most 1.5's required 2-3 group events to complete, so the EQII 1.5's will probably have 2-3 group events too) Sounds like lots of fun stuff coming at the end of the year. (And we don't even know what Secrets Faydwer's going to reveal for EQLive in November yet. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )

Jagged Halo
05-10-2007, 09:16 AM
<cite>Goozman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The two arguments at the top of this page are ridiculous lol</p><p>Raiding guilds don't have level 30-40 members in the first place, not to mention taking any time to mentor and raid for them would be absolutely ludicrous, since those levels are insanely quick to level through</p><p><b><u>And KoS zones are not out of date at all. There are over a dozen raiding guilds on my server, and only a few of them can do EoF zones, the rest are still enjoying KoS, which will be made unenjoyable once common tier 8 gear is released. (That is, assuming SoE follows the same trend as with previous expansions)</u></b></p></blockquote>BY the time this expanstion comes out the KoS raid zones will be almost 2 years old and to say raid guilds still raid them apart from the odd alt raid is rubbish we raid 5 rimes a week 4 night main raids in EoF and 1 alt raid in KoS i  Labs can be done full zone with as few as 15 players now so dont tell me they are not already outdated

Terayon
05-10-2007, 09:46 AM
**passes out tissues** there there cry babies... all will be better. Rofl, If grinding makes you so depressed take a vacation from eq, lol yesh.

voiceinside1
05-10-2007, 09:54 AM
<p>Although i agree that new zones, epic quests and new spells are appealing. i just fear the time and effort (and plat) myself and other players have spent upgrading equip, spells, and doing certain quests,  maybe absolutely futile, like previous expansions have shown. As someone who is just getting into EoF raiding. I can only ask myself, should i even bother? <i><u>OR</u></i> maybe i should just suspend my subscription till new expansion comes out... i dont like to be a "debbie downer" but man... i really hope the kos/eof equipment isn't totally leaped over by newer gear, like t7 did to t6 ... makes everything i've/WE'VE done in game in a the past year or so pointless. Just a time suck. (i know. i know.. thats what this type of game is anyways) I know some of you are just reading this saying "WAAAA POOOOR ROOOOTBORN WAAAAAA, dam cry baby-hippy"... and others i'm sure will agree with my point of view. Just trying to voice my opinion, and thats all...</p><p>change is good but dont destroy what our characters have built to make way for newer content, it's getting very disheartening. we are catching on to you soe...  </p>

Mage Knight
05-10-2007, 10:12 AM
ok, my time on the computer is limited atm (due to place im at) but i was wondering if anyone knows what date this is planning on being released? and i did play eq1 but i didnt get too far before eq2 got released, so if anyone could explain to me what an "epic" weapon is? (im guessing its something from eq1)

Bramwe
05-10-2007, 10:20 AM
A level increase is fine by me.  It allows people to get back onto the same playing field for awhile.  It will allow more casual guilds and players to take on raids they previously weren't able to when they are around level 73-74 or so.  I am sure current raid gear will be good through level 75 for the average player and people will still want level 67-69 masters.  And, I guarantee guilds will not exclusively use the new raid zones to level their guilds.  "Old" raid content will still get used. As for group content I am glad it gets left behind.  I don't want more variation of the same things we have.  I don't want to spend hours inside instances trying to get armor with 10 more mitigation than my current or weapons with a .4 better damage rating.  I want armor with 200 more mitigation and one handed weapons with 120 damage rating.  It is just natural progression to have the level cap raised.  I guess some people would be happy if level 9 was max level and they kept adding more and more level 10 zones to the game.  How fun would that be.  I am happy knowing if I roll an alt all those old zones will be there for me in a natural progression.  If they kept adding expansions and not increasing levels everyone who comes up in the game would stay exclusively in the new content as that is where the best stuff would be.

DngrMou
05-10-2007, 10:37 AM
<cite>Hardain wrote:</cite><blockquote>People are allready complaining even tho they haven't seen anything that the expasnion will contain. </blockquote> But of course!  People have spent months now screaming, whining, threatening to leave, throwing little forum temper tantrums, demanding level cap increases, new stuff, new high end content....they're getting it.  And they're celebrating the only way they know how, screaming, whining, threatening to leave, throwing little forum temper tantrums, etc.  It's all part of the great circle of life....or summat.

Rocc
05-10-2007, 10:40 AM
<p>Blah I read the first page and I'm shocked. What I did notice was it's the same cry babies that would have been complaining how bored they are in 4 months and if they dont get new content they'll quit.</p><p>Guys, by the time this releases (November or so) if you are not caught up on T7 content and bored out of your mind, it's your own fault. FIVE MONTHS!!!! I'm a hardcore raider and I understand those that are just dipping their feet in  to EoF raid zones. But cmon guys, you have five months to gear up your guilds and prepare them for RoK. So quit your pouting, whining and [Removed for Content], get in game and play EoF!</p><p>If in five months you are fighting Lord Vyemm for the first time then I dont know what to tell ya. Buy the expansion for the disco? Oh oh, I got it! Buy the expansion so you can level up in the 1-20 zone!</p><p>All you nay-sayers have no ground to stand on. If you think your beaing cheated in any way, shape or form then perhaps find a Seseame Street MMO where you throw eggs at Big Bird or something! Meanwhile.... [Removed for Content]!</p>

DngrMou
05-10-2007, 10:43 AM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yay!  </p><p>When is Sony going to make an official announcement here?</p></blockquote><p> Soon as the usual horde of whiners work themselves up into epileptic fits of rage, and collapse into quivering heaps of pustulent moral outrage.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Daarom
05-10-2007, 11:02 AM
For all these guys that are saying that the last year was pointless cause the Level cap increase. so in the last 8 month you ... - Didn't Level - Didn't got a single AA - Chat with noone and didn't got any new friends - had no fun while raiding or questing ... maybe reading storylines - Didn't have a life so ... if 10 more levels is destroying everything you achieved in this game ... I see no reason why you should play it Better visit the account section and cancel your account cause a game like counter strike is way more suited to you (I heard they don't have that much Level increases <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) But don't whine on things you can not change you just sound like a 5 year old boy with this behaviour

Griffinhart
05-10-2007, 11:07 AM
<cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Novusod wrote: That being said, don't discount epics so easily.  You're going to be doing a lot of raids to finish them. </blockquote>Yes, but mostly no.  According to the Podcast epics will not be limited to raiders only.  Raiders, however, will probably be able to power them up a bit more with additional quests and raids.

Griffinhart
05-10-2007, 11:15 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>EPICS, EPICS, EPICS!!! WOOOHOOO!!!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> I'm just wondering if they will be the Epic 1.0, 1.5 or 2.0? or maybe a whole NEW Epic weapon?! </p></blockquote>My guess is that they will come up with new ideas, but My Fury would kill to have a leaf blower!

liveja
05-10-2007, 11:17 AM
<cite>Kizee wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I really hope you add alot to do for capped people because if its only 4 small raid zones then I doubt many will stick around.</p></blockquote>I honestly hope they don't, so the whiners will finally get fed up & quit.

lilmohi
05-10-2007, 11:18 AM
[email protected] Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Hardain wrote:</cite><blockquote>People are allready complaining even tho they haven't seen anything that the expasnion will contain. </blockquote> But of course!  People have spent months now screaming, whining, threatening to leave, throwing little forum temper tantrums, demanding level cap increases, new stuff, new high end content....they're getting it.  And they're celebrating the only way they know how, screaming, whining, threatening to leave, throwing little forum temper tantrums, etc.  It's all part of the great circle of life....or summat.</blockquote> LOL these are probably the same people that screamed when DoF was announced because all their uber prismatics would become useless, and then again when KoS came out for the same reasons.  Seriously though lvl 70 fabled gear will still be very good when you hit 80, but you will have plenty of chances for upgrades as you go.  I for one am looking forward to being able to go into a dungeon, fighting a named and having a spell i actually need drop.  Or having a piece of gear drop that is actually an upgrade and not just situationally better.  I'm also very happy that the epics will have a heroic stage for those who like single group content, and an epic stage for those who like more.  Actually it sounds like the epics will have many stages so there might be more like solo, heroic, x2 epic, x4 epic, and perhaps even more ways to upgrade.  <img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

lilmohi
05-10-2007, 11:21 AM
<cite>Griffinhart wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>EPICS, EPICS, EPICS!!! WOOOHOOO!!!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> I'm just wondering if they will be the Epic 1.0, 1.5 or 2.0? or maybe a whole NEW Epic weapon?! </p></blockquote>My guess is that they will come up with new ideas, but My Fury would kill to have a leaf blower! </blockquote> My necro can't wait to get his talking duck skull of doom! <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Rocc
05-10-2007, 11:21 AM
<p>Another thing I want to add about people saying their efforts were in vein....</p><p>Dude, try to tackle RoK in treasured gear!</p><p>My guild will continue to farm EoF raid zones until we are sufficiently satisfied that everyone is geared properly for all the worldwide firsts were about to splash all over our website! Stay tuned! <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Kaalenarc
05-10-2007, 11:24 AM
<p>I for one, am thoroughly pleased at the level cap is being raised. Doing so does NOT make T7 stuff "worthless." In fact, I REALLY think those complaining about it should really let that go. T7 stuff is no more worthless or valuable than any other tier. A tier is designed to be good for ten levels. Get past it already. T4 stuff is "uber" when you are T3 - this is no different. Lack of growth is the death of any game. </p><p>Of particular amusement to me is that I see the same folks who complained about us getting T6, and then complaining about T7, now complaining about t8. No one is forcing you to level. If you dont want to , dont level. Shut xp off and raid DT ad nauseum if thats you're thing. </p><p> But for many of us, part of the immersion is watching out characters grow. Limiting the level and never raising it is equivalent to saying in rl, "well Im 20 years old now, I've learned everything I need to know, and I dont need to learn anything else, ever." pfft.</p><p> The game, I do believe was once stated by the DEVs is intended for the final cap to be able to potentially reach 200. And for those complaining, please, with all due respect, realize the following:</p><p> Level 80 will , in all likelihood NOT be the final cap ever. Someday we may see 90,100 and beyond. Play accordingly. Prepare yourselves now, so you wont be so traumatizedwhen it happens again. </p>

Nocifer Deathblade
05-10-2007, 12:44 PM
<p>Wow, I'm so stroked especially when I heard that the dev team is mostly people from EQ1 original ROK and they wanted to do many things but old engine of EQ1 didn't allow them to fulfill their dream fully. So they are very motivated to achieve their long-time dream via EQ2 ROK development! What does that mean? It means ROK for EQ2 will be well-done expansion with true passion behind it. Nothing can beat that.</p><p>I was surprised that there STILL is no guild house mentioned for ROK! Arghhh!!! Guess I have to wait longer for it. ;(</p>

Rahatmattata
05-10-2007, 06:52 PM
<cite>Griffinhart wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>My guess is that they will come up with new ideas, but My Fury would kill to have a leaf blower! </blockquote></blockquote><p> That's the best idea I've heard in a really long time TBH. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>SOE make it so.</p>

liveja
05-10-2007, 09:20 PM
<p>So, the ROK site says three new deities: Karana, Bertoxulous, & The Tribunal.</p><p>But no Bristlebane, no Erollisi, no Rodcet Nife, no Prexus .... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>O well. I'll survive.</p>

Dyse
05-11-2007, 02:32 PM
I Like everything I've read and heard! I do wish for <b>Guild Halls</b> in this Expansion.  Pretty Pretty Pretty Please

Lleinen
05-11-2007, 03:51 PM
<p><i>I think the casuals fail to see how this sucks for raiders, so I wont even bother trying to explain it since they think we're evil because they came accross 1 raider that turned out to be a [Removed for Content] (yah...they exist), but just like everyone outside judging the US on its leaders, casuals judge all raiders on 1-2 morons they meet in their gameplay so argueing with them is pointless. Anyway, as long as they can come out with a good amount of contested and about 5-6 healthy raid zones, I doubt there will be much complaining from raiders...cant wait to see!  Just gotta keep my fingers crossed.</i></p><p><b></b></p><p><b></b></p><p><b></b></p>