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LadyEternity
05-05-2007, 03:08 PM
<p>These are merely suggestions. To me, the Arasai look almost identical to the Fae. These creatures are suppose to be corrupted evil abominations.</p><p>1: Make a glowing effect coming from their eye's, and options to change the hue....maybe different effects...one as misty effect, one as a glow effect, one as a dripping tear.</p><p>2: Have different skin options. Reptile scales, open sores and meaty wounds, festering diseased bubbled skin, pallid wrinkled skin (dry looking), and poisonious pallid skin that has a moving ripple effect. And ofcourse allow the hue to be changed.</p><p>3: Hair styles should be completely different from anything the Fae has.</p><p>4: Wings should not have ANY pink and frilly color options. Red, Purple, Black, Brown, Green. Wings types: Skeletal, Bat, Bird, Gargoyle only. No butterfly wings!</p><p>Doing this will make the Arasai really unique and scary...and Neriak won't look like it was invaded by Kelethin. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>-----</p>

Cusashorn
05-05-2007, 03:25 PM
<cite>LadyEternity wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>These are merely suggestions. To me, the Arasai look almost identical to the Fae. These creatures are suppose to be corrupted evil abominations.</p><p>1: Make a glowing effect coming from their eye's, and options to change the hue....maybe different effects...one as misty effect, one as a glow effect, one as a dripping tear.</p><p>2: Have different skin options. Reptile scales, open sores and meaty wounds, festering diseased bubbled skin, pallid wrinkled skin (dry looking), and poisonious pallid skin that has a moving ripple effect. And ofcourse allow the hue to be changed.</p><p>3: Hair styles should be completely different from anything the Fae has.</p><p>4: Wings should not have ANY pink and frilly color options. Red, Purple, Black, Brown, Green. Wings types: Skeletal, Bat, Bird, Gargoyle only. No butterfly wings!</p><p>Doing this will make the Arasai really unique and scary...and Neriak won't look like it was invaded by Kelethin. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>-----</p></blockquote><p>1. They have red eyes. You dont get any more evil. </p><p>2. Why does evil have to be ugly and misfortunate? They already run the gambit between White, Brown, Black, Green, Blue, Purple, and Red skin color already.</p><p>3. The female hairstyles are already screaming Emo Angst enough as it stands.</p><p>4. Different wing types would no longer make them faeries.</p>

Catsy
05-05-2007, 03:47 PM
Some of these are great suggestions. I especially like the ones about skeletal wings, and someone else had mentioned full-body tattoos kind of like the Erudite's runes. However, you already /can/ make them look evil--it's just that some haters are playing up how you can also make them look similar in order to bolster their nonexistent point. Iseabeil posted a fantastic image of her Arasai in another thread, and I hope she will forgive me for relinking it here in the spirit of praising her work. I defy you to confuse this with a Fae: <img src="http://www.ladiesempire.com/arasai2.jpg" border="0">

LadyEternity
05-05-2007, 08:45 PM
<p>No Fae hater here. I love the Fae. However, I would like to have more options on the evil Arasai. I'm not saying remove what is there really, just would like more options. Yes you can make a really evil looking Arasai, but you can also make a pretty evil looking Fae if you try. So it goes either way really. No, I just would like to see more options of vile and evil added to the Arasai before the addon is put live, as I feel there needs to be a more profound difference between a betrayed Fae and a Arasai. There should be no room for confusion. When I see a Fae, I should know...immediately it's a Fae. If I see a Arasai, I should know without a doubt it's a Arasai. Keeping the racial identity is very important I feel.</p><p>---</p>

Snowdonia
05-05-2007, 08:49 PM
I'd prefer (as I've stated in a couple threads now) Hooves, claws, tails, or horns options as distinguishing factors rather than decrepid ones. I think horns in particular would be the easiest to impliment since it would act as an adornment kinda like the Half Elf piercings. I would be EXSTATIC with 6 "stock" horn options and 6 color customizable horn options and a None option.

Cusashorn
05-05-2007, 09:00 PM
BTW, the male Arasai have a Demon-Claw pattern wingset. It looks like a leathery bat wing.

Jennive
05-05-2007, 09:18 PM
I'd prefer more options to <b><i>all</i></b> races, to be honest.

Chay
05-05-2007, 09:59 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Some of these are great suggestions. I especially like the ones about skeletal wings, and someone else had mentioned full-body tattoos kind of like the Erudite's runes. However, you already /can/ make them look evil--it's just that some haters are playing up how you can also make them look similar in order to bolster their nonexistent point. Iseabeil posted a fantastic image of her Arasai in another thread, and I hope she will forgive me for relinking it here in the spirit of praising her work. I defy you to confuse this with a Fae: <img src="http://www.ladiesempire.com/arasai2.jpg" border="0"> </blockquote> wow almost identical to except i went with more red than white. they have some nice wing and hair styles... evil never looked so good

Dragowulf
05-05-2007, 10:03 PM
make em a bit bigger.  Im sure cristanos(sp?) stretched em out on one of those torturing things

JohnDoe058
05-06-2007, 12:28 AM
<p>Yeah, they really dont' look evil now.</p><p>I'd suggest limiting the skin colors to very dark shades, and having glowing eyes..."poor man's" way of getting them to reliably look evil, IMHO.</p>

Jennive
05-06-2007, 01:23 AM
I don't think someone needs to look evil on the outside to be evil on the inside. That sort of thing makes it more interesting for me. I can get away with a lot more if you judge me based on my innocent looks!

Araxes
05-06-2007, 02:27 AM
I think they should be fundamentally larger in size ... and I would love to see more "ragged" wing patterns.  An entirely new character model is clearly not feasible at this point; we are getting the fae model not a whole new racial model.  So the goal is to make it as distinct as possible ... I think more ragged wing patterns would be the first step in this, since, with Fae, the most obvious feature is the wing pattern.

Rijacki
05-06-2007, 02:42 AM
I would just like them to have a different voice-over than the fae.

zaun2
05-06-2007, 05:08 AM
Dark elves don't have horns or tails, but we all know what evil they are capable of.  I like the fact that Arasai are not looking like imps.

Sphiriah
05-06-2007, 05:33 AM
Give them some horns and a tail and I'll be happy.

Lightstrider
05-06-2007, 08:59 AM
<p>I agree with the poster above--Arasai should definitely have unique voices.  "Fear the cute ones!" is not something an Arasai should be shouting!</p><p>I do wish they looked different somehow.  From a distance, you can tell what elven race a character belongs to almost immediately, but it would be hard to say that about the Arasai and the Fae--unless you take the time to memorize the different wing patterns!  No one would ever confuse a high elf and a wood elf, but I bet many will confuse the Arasai with the Fae.  Time will tell, I suppose.</p>

Faymar
05-06-2007, 09:09 AM
I agree, it's the voice-overs that really grate. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Lotus
05-06-2007, 02:20 PM
Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions.

Iseabeil
05-06-2007, 02:46 PM
<p>I like the Arasai as it looks, when made to look <i>as </i>an Arasai and not using the Fae-looking choices. The hairstyle mine has for example is gorgeuos, but I would prefer all the hairstyles available be a bit wilder, as some of them are identical to the Fae ones. Its the choise of the player what they want I guess, but the possibility of making it lookin like a Fae that just have a slightly different wingset will cause these issues we've seen. I rarely play with sound on atm, but I have listened a bit to them and whilst using the same voice for the voiceover would be fine, they really should *say* different things. Allthou I dun really agree with any need of scales, horns etc, as an avid ratonga player, I wouldnt mind them to have a tail á la succubus in AD&D or somethin, but discreet and chooseable, I just miss the sweeping tail when I play my Arasai.. lol.</p><p>Fae are cute, Arasai are beautifull (in small package), and I guess in the end the question lies in what portraits evil for each individual. It can be the ugliness of trolls,  but it can be the decieving beuaty of more stunning races too.</p>

Xev
05-06-2007, 03:07 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote>I personally love the fae race as they are and am glad that the Arasai will be very similar.  I like the changes you have made to make them seem more evil, I think they are subtle alterations which make them look a little bit more twisted, but not altogether different.  I do, however, think that adding some small horns or a tail as options would be pretty cool and would still allow for it to be a beautiful and elegant race. In my opinion, overall, having minor changes fits in with the lore also being that they are Fae that were just twisted somewhat by their God. Keep up the good work Devs, you guys have been doing some amazing work lately.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Themaginator
05-06-2007, 03:11 PM
aye the Arsai do feel really evil in that Bram Stoker way, they just need a new voice.  Im sure yall are working on that =P

Darlion
05-06-2007, 03:39 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices. </blockquote>Come on! We don't have nearly enough things projecting from each orifice! Look at the trolls, they're almost hugable!

Xev
05-06-2007, 03:53 PM
<cite>Darlion wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices. </blockquote>Come on! We don't have nearly enough things projecting from each orifice! Look at the trolls, they're almost hugable!</blockquote>So true!  We need more spiky things!  But in response to the dev response, I think that adding horns or a tail as options (but not mandatory for the race) would be a nice way to allow people to differentiate them even further from the Fae.

Cocytus
05-06-2007, 04:04 PM
<p>The fae are the hellspawn of Satan himself - They're EMO. Evil enough imo. And the roleplay servers will be buzzing with 50,000 bipolar gothic lesbian slave faes soon enough.</p>

Dragowulf
05-06-2007, 04:59 PM
<cite>Xevik wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote>I personally love the fae race as they are and am glad that the Arasai will be very similar.  I like the changes you have made to make them seem more evil, I think they are subtle alterations which make them look a little bit more twisted, but not altogether different.  I do, however, think that adding some small horns or a tail as options would be pretty cool and would still allow for it to be a beautiful and elegant race. In my opinion, overall, having minor changes fits in with the lore also being that they are Fae that were just twisted somewhat by their God. Keep up the good work Devs, you guys have been doing some amazing work lately.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>listen to podcast 17.  Arasai are a COMPLETELY diff. race from the fae.

Xev
05-06-2007, 05:08 PM
<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xevik wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote>I personally love the fae race as they are and am glad that the Arasai will be very similar.  I like the changes you have made to make them seem more evil, I think they are subtle alterations which make them look a little bit more twisted, but not altogether different.  I do, however, think that adding some small horns or a tail as options would be pretty cool and would still allow for it to be a beautiful and elegant race. In my opinion, overall, having minor changes fits in with the lore also being that they are Fae that were just twisted somewhat by their God. Keep up the good work Devs, you guys have been doing some amazing work lately.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>listen to podcast 17.  Arasai are a COMPLETELY diff. race from the fae. </blockquote>Actually the lore for the Arasai given by the devs on the forums stated that the Queen had taken spirit buds from the fae themselves and molded them to fit what she believed they were meant to be rather than letting them develop into normal Fae.  Yes they are a different race, but they come from the same thing, only how they develop is different.  It is essentially the same thing that happened to make the Dark Elves different from the High Elves. That is why they are so similar to the Fae, as I said above.  Never actually said they were the same race.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kamimura
05-06-2007, 05:38 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P </blockquote><p>I'm enjoying the beautiful style of evil myself.. Some of the hair styles did remind me of Gothic Lolita style, just like Mana!  Erm, anyway. I did notice the shine in the skin which went with the eye color.. I do think it could have been made a little stronger though. I can hardly notice it outside of the character creation even in a variety of lights. The skin is the only thing I really wish they'd gone a little further with (well, okay, I <i>always</i> want more hair styles :p).. gone further with that shine, or perhaps clear patterns or something. Not shiny ones like the Erudites, but perhaps more glowy or sharp or something. Just something a little more to go with the pure magic kinda idea.</p>

Catsy
05-06-2007, 05:41 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote>   All of this sounds awesome. Especially the SuicideGirls inspiration, SG FTW. :> I wonder if I'll recognize any of the hairstyles...

Faymar
05-06-2007, 06:44 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote>I like the eyes/skin and I love the ability to use strong colours. But it didn't seem like it was balanced good/evil. Fae can have bright greens and orange and black and brown... I think that's why we don't see that much difference. Maybe add in some moody purples and blues and blood red so that it's faded but not Fae-like? Also they seem to have a huge amount of "preset" wings and those seem to be very bright. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The female hairstyles that are specific to the arasai are really fun. But there are only three? It would be nice (although maybe overly optimistic on my part) if they didn't have the very polished styles from the fae. The dance is perfect. The voice-over is the worst bit, to be honest. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Snorm
05-06-2007, 07:28 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>I think you guys have done fine work with the Arasai. I'm probably going to make my first real alt when they go live just because they look so cool, and I've been playing pretty much since release. </p><p>But, horns and a tail, how cool would that be? You let me roll a little dark elf imp with horns, and I'd re-roll my guard <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Snorm -- 70 Guard </p>

Maroger
05-06-2007, 07:45 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

Xev
05-06-2007, 07:56 PM
<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>Translation:  <b>I</b> don't like the Fae so no one else should.  <b>I</b> don't want this race given to us, even though it is for free and to address an issue a lot of players have had since EoF came out, so no one else wants them either.  Seriously, if you don't like them, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but you don't speak for everyone else and whether you believe it or not, there are goign to be a lot of people that like that they are adding this race for the evil factions.  This doesn't mean there will never be another race added...they will probably add a new one or two with the next paid expansion. Face it, there are a lot of people that like the fae and have wanted an evil version, that is why they are putting them in.  Adding this race doesn't hurt you in any way, and since you don't have to play them, why do you care if other people get enjoyment from it?

eniah
05-06-2007, 08:02 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> -The dance is extremely evil. =P </blockquote> The dance is extremely cool. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Thank you for this one!! Whose dancing style of you guys is this?

Rijacki
05-06-2007, 08:07 PM
<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (<a href="http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg</a>).

Maroger
05-06-2007, 08:21 PM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (<a href="http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg</a>). </blockquote><p>Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case. </p><p>Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it. </p><p>Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.</p><p>I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!</p>

Lortet
05-06-2007, 09:19 PM
<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case. </p><p>Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it. </p><p>Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.</p><p>I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!</p></blockquote><p>errr - Tapestry (note the correct spelling)</p><p>sorry - couldn't help it lol </p>

ke'la
05-06-2007, 10:44 PM
<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (<a href="http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg</a>). </blockquote><p>Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case. </p><p>Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it. </p><p>Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.</p><p>I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!</p></blockquote><p>I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.</p><p>Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.</p><p>BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race. </p><p>As to this comment..</p><ul><li>"It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"</li></ul><p>So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.</p>

Josgar
05-06-2007, 11:14 PM
ke'la wrote: <blockquote> <ul><li>"It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"</li></ul><p>So I guess Dark Elves are just Warmed over High Elves in your opionion too... heck Elves are just Humans with long Ears so Elves are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Erudites.  </p></blockquote> :O You have it all wrong! Dark Elves and Wood Elves are High Elves with skin differences and stunted growth Humans are Short High Elves with stubby ears Barbarians are the same but on Steroids Erudites are High Elves with a genetic disorder Arasai and Fae are short High Elves with slightly weird ears and wings pasted on their backs Gnomes are short High Elves Dwarves are short barbarians Ogres and Trolls are a result of a messed up experiment

KerowynnKaotic
05-06-2007, 11:18 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> -The dance is extremely evil. =P </blockquote> The dance is extremely cool. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Thank you for this one!! Whose dancing style of you guys is this? </blockquote><p> I was curious so I logged on to the test server for this dance specifically .. </p><p>It's the Monster Mash.   </p>

Rijacki
05-07-2007, 12:29 AM
ke'la wrote: <blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (<a href="http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg</a>). </blockquote><p>Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case. </p><p>Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it. </p><p>Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.</p><p>I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!</p></blockquote><p>I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.</p><p>Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.</p><p>BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race. </p><p>As to this comment..</p><ul><li>"It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"</li></ul><p>So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.</p></blockquote>pssst I'm a she <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link.  It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA.  It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry).  I never said I was a perfect speller.  I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit *laugh* (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras.  Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs *rolls her eyes*).  The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them.  I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there *sniffle*, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault.

Tallika_Runwithbears
05-07-2007, 07:06 PM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote> Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -<span style="font-size: large"><b>The dance is extremely evil. =P </b></span> “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote>i have to ask....  <b>W T H</b> was up with that dance Lotus???  me and my friend just about died laughing when we saw that thing...  we couldnt even describe it to anyone over teamspeak...

Kamimura
05-09-2007, 04:57 AM
<cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. </blockquote> I wanted to bump this back up because I was wondering about this.. I was creating a dark elf the other day, and I could get much darker colors than on my Arasai. It looks as if the Arasai skin tone should be able to go much darker (by choosing the very corners, for example) but the skin colors do not really appear as they do in that box. As if they were blending with some sort of base skin color, preventing them from going as dark or exactly as they should be.

Serso
05-09-2007, 06:06 AM
<cite>Kamimura wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. </blockquote> I wanted to bump this back up because I was wondering about this.. I was creating a dark elf the other day, and I could get much darker colors than on my Arasai. It looks as if the Arasai skin tone should be able to go much darker (by choosing the very corners, for example) but the skin colors do not really appear as they do in that box. As if they were blending with some sort of base skin color, preventing them from going as dark or exactly as they should be. </blockquote><p>I would have to agree in contending with Lotus' claim here. I think the mood of the people is quite transparent when it comes to what skin tones should be available to Arasai. </p><p> - Seliri D. of Nagafen</p>

liveja
05-09-2007, 11:43 AM
<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p></blockquote><p> The answer is that it's SOE's game, & SOE seems (for some bizarre reason) to be hooked on Faeries.</p><p>You do, of course, have options if you don't like it.</p>

Serso
05-10-2007, 05:22 AM
I think this is just an opportunity to provide a broader range of optioning for the consumer base (in this case, something securing a semblance of balance in a fairly adroit way), as from what I am able to conject, the amassing of future races will remain consistent as per need of lore expansion and appending. Sarnaks are rhinoceros transportation are already inbound, and that alone is enough to acknowledge the influx of content to come. Yeah, Rise of Kunark will be contending with the precedent of this expansion having served as the largest for EverQuest Live, but regardless, I still see this as a symbol of times to come. <span style="color: #ffff00">I just hope they will initiate the reformations for uniquity integral to this adoption for equity (in the very least, this being the restriction of skin tone shades in line with that of the amiable, beige gradient of the Fae)</span>.  - Seliri D. of Nagafen

RoXx
05-10-2007, 12:09 PM
Make them as big as Trolls! Then we're talking evil. BIG BADDIE that can eat everything, no escape! (Im serious, would be much cooler if they were BIG opposed to the tiny fae's)

Gondwana
05-10-2007, 02:21 PM
different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race

Darian
05-10-2007, 02:23 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race</blockquote> Yeah I agree <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> they should have just waited and added the Sarnak.

Kamimura
05-10-2007, 04:18 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race</blockquote>Soo... the difference between high and dark elves..? (Where dark elves are corrupted high elves - with new skin colors and new hair styles.) It's a free add on.. not really too big a deal.. if you don't like fae or evil fae, hold your character slots until the Sarnak come. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Xs-142
05-11-2007, 06:24 AM
<p>Arasai really should have horns on their heads, and possibly thorns...</p><p>And veined bodies.. Possibly fingernails as long as little claws on hands and feet...</p>

Maroger
05-11-2007, 10:11 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race</blockquote> Yeah I agree <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> they should have just waited and added the Sarnak. </blockquote>I agree 100% -- I prefer the Sarnaks as the new evil race. Makes a lot more sense than re-colored Fae from EoF. I think Evil Fae has been a flop art wise and certainly not what those of use who play evil races expected.<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Maroger
05-11-2007, 10:23 AM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (<a href="http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg</a>). </blockquote><p>Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case. </p><p>Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it. </p><p>Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.</p><p>I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!</p></blockquote><p>I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.</p><p>Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.</p><p>BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race. </p><p>As to this comment..</p><ul><li>"It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"</li></ul><p>So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.</p></blockquote>pssst I'm a she <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link.  It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA.  It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry).  I never said I was a perfect speller.  I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit *laugh* (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras.  Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs *rolls her eyes*).  The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them.  I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there *sniffle*, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault. </blockquote><p>Tall skiiny humans with rounded faces ARE NOT LIKE SOGA - except in the mind of someone who knows nothing about the art conventions of that century. The problems you identify as SOGA like are result of lack of perspective, the role of religious symbolism, and the frame in which the objects are drawn.  Just because you saw them in person does not mean you understood what you saw. </p><p>They are talk and skinny to fit into the frame. They are tall to show the domination of the good. The artists  of that centure did NOT KNOW PERSPECTIVE -- it was a later discovery in art.  The faces are round because this is way the artist drew at that time since they did not know perspective. </p><p>Remember the point of the arts of that time was to show the prominence of good -- not to size them in they ways we know as modern perspective. There is a lot of symbolism which goes into the religious arts of the period -- that seems to have escaped you.</p><p>They are in NO WAY similar to any sort of SOGA art - !!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

Gondwana
05-11-2007, 11:04 AM
<cite>Kamimura wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>different colors and new hair dont make a new race imo, im a bit disapointed, this is a corrupted fae nothing else, in my humble opinion this is what a fae should look like when you betray to freeport, i was really hoping for somthing NEW for the new race</blockquote>Soo... the difference between high and dark elves..? (Where dark elves are corrupted high elves - with new skin colors and new hair styles.) It's a free add on.. not really too big a deal.. if you don't like fae or evil fae, hold your character slots until the Sarnak come. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p>yea i know, was just a bit dissapointed, would be cool with somthing really new. but free content <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>tbh SOE have done well lately, but who am i to call myself a real EQ2 player if i cant complain about somthing..  tbh i dont know the sarnak.</p><p>yea noob i know, but am really happy bout new evil start city cos i hate freeport, and therefor only have qeynos toons, a truly new race would be cool...  fae = been there done that </p>

Rijacki
05-11-2007, 11:13 AM
<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lotus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Arasai art stuff.   -Eyes do glow. -Skin is a bit more shiny/greasy in appearance and reflects back eye color. -Colors are restricted to primaries while the goody Fae can only choose pastels. -The Arasai get the darkest skin tones out of all of the races. -Wings are pulled from mammals, moths and creepy insects. -Hair is from some fun dark resources.  SuicideGirls <NSFW>, cosplay Japanese Gothic Lolita... -The dance is extremely evil. =P “Evil” is not always horns, spikes and flames from orifices.  Personally my favorite form of evil is found in Anne Rice books or Movies such as Bram Stoker’s Dracula.  The Arasai were meant to compete with the beauty of the DarkElfs as they are the ones responsible for the appearance of the Arasai. I hope this answers some questions. </blockquote><p>It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???</p><p>I think what people are saying is that we prefer evil based on Medieval Gothic images from Western European Civlization NOT Japanese Gothic or something out of Lineage. </p><p>Fairies like the Fae remind me merely of some really ugly Victorian Fairy Painting of Richard Doyle <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>The Arasai are not "Japanese gothic" or "something out of Lineage".  Your racism is extremely tiresome.  If you hadn't been told that SOGA played a part in the development of the two zones, would you be as whiney about the setting?  I odubt it.  You have a negative predisposition against anything coming from SOGA  or perhaps even anything coming from anywhere even with a suggestion of Asia. Because you don't like them doesn't mean others don't.  It doesn't even mean that anyone who likes them at all is wrong or damaged or whatever. Based on your comments here and in other places, I don't think you've ever seen any -real- medieval art or artifacts.  You might have seen Victorian Pre-Rafealite stuff, but that has very little connection to actual medieval imagery.  You'd probably complain that art done in France in the later 1400s was way too "Asian" (<a href="http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://humanities.uchicago.edu/imag...eures/april.jpg</a>). </blockquote><p>Not sure you know very much about Medieval Art -- that image you showed is very typical of Medival art of the period. It is what was done in stuff like the Book of Hours.  I can't imagine what makes you think it looks Asian unless you don't know very much about Asian art which I suspect is the case. </p><p>Pre-Raphaelite art (note the correct spelling) is unique and unlike any other art. It is sui generis. The look of the armor in the paintings was however, taken from original Armor on display in the British Museum( have you even been there and seen it) I am thinking of the Gargoyles on Notre Dame ( surely you have seen pictures even if you have never been to France) and some of the other art of the Gothic Period which had a unique depiction of Evil. I suggest you attempt to find a book on French Tapistry and look at some of the depictions in it. </p><p>Western European Civilization defined evil, pictorially speaking, in a specific way - which did NOT include Victorian Fairies.</p><p>I like the art in Fallen Dynasty - fitted in with the locale -- so did the Arabian Nights look for Maj Dul. It is just you can't copy this arts to other locations, color it purple and Blue and call it Neriak. YOu may think you can but you probably aren't very familiar with the original Neriak!!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh and for your information I lived in France for several years so I AM very familiar with French art !!</p></blockquote><p>I think what he was pointing out, that you seem to not get is that, just like his linked painting does have a Number things in commin with "asian" art, wich in your original Context is talking about ANIME, however it Like the Fae AND Arasai have a Unque stylistic aproch that differantiates itself from Anime.</p><p>Now if you are refuring to Neriak itself, based on posts elsewhere in this forum, Neriak does very much have an Asian them to it's building construction, its kind of a Highbrid Asian/Egyptian theam wich if you accually walk around Neriak and not just look at the Screen Caps of the big buildings I think you would agree they pulled it off fairly well.</p><p>BTW, in Many Midevil Cultures "Demons" and espceally "Gargoyles" were NOT the Definition of Evil... in fact many where consitered Good, and protectors... Much like the Dragon is in Japan and China. It was not until around the time of the Renisance(yes I spelled that wrong among other words) that the Beastial creatures where deemed evil. Personally I would LOVE to see a Good Beastial Race with the Horns and Spikes and all... that is a counter part to a simalar evil race. </p><p>As to this comment..</p><ul><li>"It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"</li></ul><p>So I guess Dark Elfs are just Warmed over High Elfs in your opionion too... heck Elfs are just Humans with long Ears so Elfs are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Eriodites.</p></blockquote>pssst I'm a she <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  But.. you are right in why I chose that one to link.  It has tall -skinny- humans with rounded faces that are a lot like the SOGA.  It also has other elements that are common in Asian art even though it is, as Maroger said, a good example of the height of French Medieval illumination (it's from Le Tres Riches Houres de Duke de Berry).  I never said I was a perfect speller.  I frequently have to rely on spell checkers, fancy that, even with my degrees in History and English lit *laugh* (and employed as a tech writer). And.. I agree Ke'la, what -we- deem as evil images now wasn't "evil" in Medieval or Renaissance eras.  Most of it wasn't deemed "evil" until the Victorian era (when tables had to have skirts so men wouldn't be aroused by the legs *rolls her eyes*).  The Pre-Rafealite (yes, spelled it wrong again) art had a romantic nod to Medieval and Renaissance themes but had so very little in common with them. Oh and I have seen many pieces of Medieval and Renassance art (as well as others) in person both in the States and in several European countries, France amoung them.  I've even been to the locale of the art I linked... though it's not on display there *sniffle*, worth too much to have out of it's hermetically sealed vault. </blockquote><p>Tall skiiny humans with rounded faces ARE NOT LIKE SOGA - except in the mind of someone who knows nothing about the art conventions of that century. The problems you identify as SOGA like are result of lack of perspective, the role of religious symbolism, and the frame in which the objects are drawn.  Just because you saw them in person does not mean you understood what you saw. </p><p>They are talk and skinny to fit into the frame. They are tall to show the domination of the good. The artists  of that centure did NOT KNOW PERSPECTIVE -- it was a later discovery in art.  The faces are round because this is way the artist drew at that time since they did not know perspective. </p><p>Remember the point of the arts of that time was to show the prominence of good -- not to size them in they ways we know as modern perspective. There is a lot of symbolism which goes into the religious arts of the period -- that seems to have escaped you.</p><p>They are in NO WAY similar to any sort of SOGA art - !!<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>You don't know diddly about me nor do you know much about the art of that time if you think that was how all art was in that time.  The tall slender bodies of not only the nobles but the commononers/serfs (other pictures) was a characteristic of those artists who painted most of that book. I was not saying they look identical to SOGA just that they share traits similar.  SOGA has skinny skinny bodies which are taller than the other models (or just the ubah skinniness makes them that way) in the same way these figures are tall, slender, and with rounded faces.  In Le Tres Riches Houres, if you look at the calendar pages done by the Frere Limbourgh vs the ones finished by Columbine, the ones by Columbine more closely resemble the art of most of the age, or even later, with shorter rounded bodies.  The art done by Frere Limbourgh has been likened to ethereal not a sign of who is or isn't "important".  In your analysis, the peasant warming her feet on a fire in February would be "good" and important.  Nope, just showing the season in -their- style. And... the idea they didn't know anything about perspective is 100% bovine excreta.  There is perspective in art by the mid 1400s, especially in illumination (the art work in books) where it didn't need to be as stylised and rigid as the artwork in churches.  The picture I linked is from a time of transisition in a lot of things.

liveja
05-11-2007, 11:23 AM
<p>I'm not going to get into the argument about medieval art history & techniques.</p><p>I will say, however, that from my POV (& in this utterly subjective context, in which we're discussing purely subjective aesthetic opinion, my POV is the only one that matters) the Arasai don't strike me as looking especially "evil" or "corrupted". If I were to go on pure appearance, I would not be able to easily tell the difference between them & the Fae; I'm not sure I could tell the difference at all, easily or otherwise.</p><p>I'm sure there are details that might distinguish one from the other. I'm sure there's a great background lore story as to how the Arasai differ from the Fae, both in origins & thought/philosophy. What I'm saying is this:</p><p>A. The details, whatever they are, are not sufficient for me to tell, at a glance, the difference between an Arasai & a Fae. If I look at a High Elf & a Dark Elf, I can easily tell them apart from pretty much any distance. If I zoom in close enough to see facial details, I can easily tell the difference between a High Elf, a Wood Elf, & a Half Elf. I cannot tell the difference between a Fae & an Arasai that are standing next to each other.</p><p>B. Whatever amounts of lore there are don't help to physically distinguish Arasai from Fae in the game world. </p><p>I think we can all agree that "evil" is not necessarily twisted & hideous. I think we can also agree that you can make creatures look dark & sinister without making them ugly. At this point, I do not believe that the Arasai look particularly evil, & I  would like to see something done to change that. Because as it stands right now, they very much feel, to me, as if they're nothing but Fae with a different name.</p>

Rijacki
05-11-2007, 11:48 AM
I agree that the differences between them is more subtle than many would like. Personally, I like the subtlty. The wing types are different: moths, bugs, bats, and other such that are generally considered "icky" vs. butterflies, dragonflies, and other such that are considered ethreal. Besides, can you distinguish a good human from evil? As for the design & body model. While I dislike the SOGA for all other races, I think it is well proportioned for the fae and arasai and gives them an ethreal, fantastical look. Even with the finishing touches and the wing art being done in San Diego, they're well put together in my opinion.

liveja
05-11-2007, 11:56 AM
<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>they're well put together in my opinion.</blockquote><p>I think all of the art in the game is "well put together". I just wish they'd put all that wonderful effort into more distinguishing features for the Arasai. Frankly, while I realize the wings are different, I've so far felt they're not different enough. For me right now, the only thing distinguishing the Arasai experience from the Fae experience is that the Arasai n00b yard is (IMHO) very much better from the Fae n00b yard.</p><p>I honestly have to admit, though, that it's very frustrating: I can't fully articulate why I think the Arasai don't look "evil", nor do I have any concrete suggestions as to how they could be made to look "evil". I am looking forward, tho, to the day when we see a Fae Shadow Knight standing side-by-side with an Arasai Paladin, putting them in identical armor, & then trying to decide which is which. </p>

Frain
05-11-2007, 01:09 PM
Please give them tatoos or piercings! that would look realy great! And you would be able to do alot more whith them, as it is now its not enough.

ke'la
05-11-2007, 04:10 PM
<cite>Josgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote: <blockquote> <ul><li>"It really doesn't answer why you put them in the game at all or why you think that a new evil race had to be warmed over FAE???"</li></ul><p>So I guess Dark Elves are just Warmed over High Elves in your opionion too... heck Elves are just Humans with long Ears so Elves are Warmed over humans... And Barbarians are just Humans on Steriods so they are just warmed over humans too... and lets not even get in to Erudites.  </p></blockquote> :O You have it all wrong! Dark Elves and Wood Elves are High Elves with skin differences and stunted growth Humans are Short High Elves with stubby ears Barbarians are the same but on Steroids Erudites are High Elves with a genetic disorder Arasai and Fae are short High Elves with slightly weird ears and wings pasted on their backs Gnomes are short High Elves Dwarves are short barbarians Ogres and Trolls are a result of a messed up experiment </blockquote><p>A High Elf would think that <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but I have it on "good"* athority that infact all races are accually Warmed over Half-Elfs. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>*good as in I consulted my [Removed for Content] oraface.(I pulled it out of my <blank&gt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

ke'la
05-11-2007, 04:39 PM
<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm not going to get into the argument about medieval art history & techniques.</p><p>I will say, however, that from my POV (& in this utterly subjective context, in which we're discussing purely subjective aesthetic opinion, my POV is the only one that matters) the Arasai don't strike me as looking especially "evil" or "corrupted". If I were to go on pure appearance, I would not be able to easily tell the difference between them & the Fae; I'm not sure I could tell the difference at all, easily or otherwise.</p><p>I'm sure there are details that might distinguish one from the other. I'm sure there's a great background lore story as to how the Arasai differ from the Fae, both in origins & thought/philosophy. What I'm saying is this:</p><p>A. The details, whatever they are, are not sufficient for me to tell, at a glance, the difference between an Arasai & a Fae. If I look at a High Elf & a Dark Elf, I can easily tell them apart from pretty much any distance. If I zoom in close enough to see facial details, I can easily tell the difference between a High Elf, a Wood Elf, & a Half Elf. I cannot tell the difference between a Fae & an Arasai that are standing next to each other.</p><p>B. Whatever amounts of lore there are don't help to physically distinguish Arasai from Fae in the game world. </p><p>I think we can all agree that "evil" is not necessarily twisted & hideous. I think we can also agree that you can make creatures look dark & sinister without making them ugly. At this point, I do not believe that the Arasai look particularly evil, & I  would like to see something done to change that. Because as it stands right now, they very much feel, to me, as if they're nothing but Fae with a different name.</p></blockquote><p> Maybe it's because I have been playing a fae for the last few months but IMO unless you make the effort to make the Fae look more evil or the Arasai look more good, the 2 races look very differant to me atleast as differant at the Dark Elfs are from the High elfs.</p><p>I posted somewher else the differances in the color wheels between the 2 races and that does not tell the whole story of the differances.</p>

Zidab
05-12-2007, 10:58 AM
[email protected] DLere wrote: <blockquote>Please give them tatoos or piercings! that would look realy great! And you would be able to do alot more whith them, as it is now its not enough. </blockquote> I believe at this point, that's all they could do with them. Tattoos could be done like the woads with Barbarians have, or like make it a skin thing. Piercings could be just like the half elves, it would be somewhat disappointing that they're the same piercings and etc, but atleast they'd look a tad bit more "Oh that's an Arasai" instead of /inspect just to figure out what they are.

Rijacki
05-12-2007, 12:33 PM
<cite>Zidab wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] DLere wrote: <blockquote>Please give them tatoos or piercings! that would look realy great! And you would be able to do alot more whith them, as it is now its not enough. </blockquote> I believe at this point, that's all they could do with them. Tattoos could be done like the woads with Barbarians have, or like make it a skin thing. Piercings could be just like the half elves, it would be somewhat disappointing that they're the same piercings and etc, but atleast they'd look a tad bit more "Oh that's an Arasai" instead of /inspect just to figure out what they are. </blockquote>If they added piercings or tatoos, they wouldn't be selectable unless they were selectable by wing type or some other currently selectable "accessory" type thing.  Otherwise, there would be uproar about why don't other races have 2 selectable features (not that I wouldn't mind if they'd add that at some time...)

Serso
05-12-2007, 09:28 PM
F<span style="color: #ffff00">or starters, I'm confused as to why nobody else has connoted the value of skin tone. For the Dark Elves and High Elves, this is a focal facet in distinguishing their separation as two races. <b>So again, after so many have already mentioned this, I'm rebuffing such and commenting in redundant form on just how much Arasai need their range of hues limited to the essentially aphotic (dark).</b></span>

Winter
05-12-2007, 09:49 PM
<span style="font-size: small; color: #ff66cc; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">I personally think the combination of the wings and the use of primary colors makes them look fairly wicked.</span>

Kurindor_Mythecnea
05-13-2007, 03:19 AM
<cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: small; font-family: comic sans ms,sand"><span style="color: #ff66cc">I personally think the combination of the wings and the use of primary colors makes them look fairly wicked.</span></span></blockquote> <span style="color: #ffff00"> A beige colored Arasai is the exact same thing, visually, as a Fae. I think the similarity for optioning to be all too lacking of uniquity when it comes to the required distinguishment races ought have.</span>

Kamimura
05-13-2007, 05:12 AM
<cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: small; color: #ff66cc; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">I personally think the combination of the wings and the use of primary colors makes them look fairly wicked.</span></blockquote><p> I've created two characters to show the problem here.. (Oh wow, sorry for the crappy quality, but it gets the point across.) <a href="http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/sirenatsea/arasaifae.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...a/arasaifae.jpg</a> Win, since I know you are a big Fae fan - as am I - we would be able to tell the difference between the two by looking at their wing style. However, someone who is not as familiar with the two races probably could not tell. I created my Arasai with all sea green colors, and a pale white skin. She's a coercer, and I was trying to go for a siren sort of look. (I didn't want to be red and black like pretty much everyone else I saw around. =P) Still, on the live servers one Fae is much darker in colors, and the other looks like she has the primary colors. So, unless you do happen to know the wing styles - or you have someone who is hot pink and the other who is solid red - it is pretty hard to tell the difference between the races. With dark and high elves you don't need to know their hair styles to tell them apart. Heck, even so for high and wood elves. I think they did a great job with the Fae and the Arasai when looked at seperate from eachother. However, when you get them together there is just something lacking to<b> really</b> set the two apart.</p>

Seraki
05-13-2007, 11:43 AM
<p>First off let me start by saying Ugly does not = evil.   I think Arasai on test looks evil, <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Having spent quite a bit of time ( and gold lol) adjusting my Kelethin Fay I can tell you that you cant get anywhere near the same look that I made on the Arasai.   </p><p> <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~feawin/wsb/media/867886/site1056.jpg" border="0"></p><p>The color pallet is darker , the eyes glow more, the hair styles are definately more dark in their nature and while you can make a softer looking Arasai , it seems to be offered more as an optional choice than the normal.    </p><p> * It would be nice if <b>white</b> were offered as an eye color choice. * </p><p>As the Arasai are the "children" of Queen Cristanos I do not think she would want them broken looking really.   Hate is the key word here and I think they work well.</p><p>As for the dance ... I dont really like it though it kind of fits.   If your spirit bud has been tortured long enough to turn you into hate on wings I guess all the spunk could be knocked out of your dance.   I think I would prefer something more sinister with maybe clawing animations in it, but thats just me.</p>

JohnDoe058
05-13-2007, 12:49 PM
<cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: small; color: #ff66cc; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">I personally think the combination of the wings and the use of primary colors makes them look fairly wicked.</span></blockquote><p>Anything looks evil to you, ya goodie-two-shoes.  Hey, come on, I'm pullin ur chain.</p><p>But seriously, their skin is still very light and pasty.  I recommend restricting skin shades and tones to DARK colors.  Not just 'darkER than other races".</p>

bigevil1
05-13-2007, 01:36 PM
<cite>Xevik wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>listen to podcast 17.  Arasai are a COMPLETELY diff. race from the fae. </blockquote>Actually the lore for the Arasai given by the devs on the forums stated that the Queen had taken spirit buds from the fae themselves and molded them to fit what she believed they were meant to be rather than letting them develop into normal Fae.  Yes they are a different race, but they come from the same thing, only how they develop is different.  It is essentially the same thing that happened to make the Dark Elves different from the High Elves. That is why they are so similar to the Fae, as I said above.  Never actually said they were the same race.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> If they are similar to the Fae as the Dark Elves are Similar to the High elf then it would go to figure that the Arsai should have Ultravision instead of Infravision, after all dark elves live in caves and dark places they have specialized vision for seeing in the dark so should Arsai have this gift of Ultravision that would make them different from the Fae themselves by not sharing a similar vision with the fae. Other than that, I tend to like the looks of the arsai over the fae so it looks like I'm going to be purging 9 faes to go with Arsais now. Though I'm going to spare my provisioner from being purged until I feel fit to purge it and replace it with an Arsai, I'll just betray that one over to freeport for the time being and milk it for cash for the rest of my arsais. Anyhow, I love the arsai minus the little tweak I would like to see done. Love neriak too, I love evil places and quiet frankly am tired of all the dullar cheerful two legged vermin of Qeynos and Kelethin. Heh Heh Heh Heh.

bigevil1
05-13-2007, 01:40 PM
<cite>Seraki wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>First off let me start by saying Ugly does not = evil.   I think Arasai on test looks evil, <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Having spent quite a bit of time ( and gold lol) adjusting my Kelethin Fay I can tell you that you cant get anywhere near the same look that I made on the Arasai.   </p><p> <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~feawin/wsb/media/867886/site1056.jpg" border="0"></p><p>The color pallet is darker , the eyes glow more, the hair styles are definately more dark in their nature and while you can make a softer looking Arasai , it seems to be offered more as an optional choice than the normal.    </p><p> * It would be nice if <b>white</b> were offered as an eye color choice. * </p><p>As the Arasai are the "children" of Queen Cristanos I do not think she would want them broken looking really.   Hate is the key word here and I think they work well.</p><p>As for the dance ... I dont really like it though it kind of fits.   If your spirit bud has been tortured long enough to turn you into hate on wings I guess all the spunk could be knocked out of your dance.   I think I would prefer something more sinister with maybe clawing animations in it, but thats just me.</p></blockquote>For the fun of it, I made an SK and a bruiser, they have the exact same wing coloration as you have. Though the hair pattern I choose is the OH MY GOD A FAE JUST RAN INTO A BUG ZAPPER look. Anyhow, creepy evil minds think alike when it comes to those wings. Heh Heh Heh.

Kamimura
05-13-2007, 06:13 PM
<cite>Seraki wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>First off let me start by saying Ugly does not = evil.   I think Arasai on test looks evil, <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Having spent quite a bit of time ( and gold lol) adjusting my Kelethin Fay I can tell you that you cant get anywhere near the same look that I made on the Arasai.   </p><p> The color pallet is darker , the eyes glow more, the hair styles are definately more dark in their nature and while you can make a softer looking Arasai , it seems to be offered more as an optional choice than the normal.    </p></blockquote>I agree with you that evil doesn't have to be ugly. In fact, I perfer the beautiful evil look. That's why I am excited about Arasai. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I guess my problem is, that while your Arasai probably won't be confused for a Fae anytime soon, lots and lots of people are running with the same colors. I went around test today, looking at all the ways people had created their Arasai. The only ones I thought would not be confused with Fae were the ones running around with some combo of dark + red. Oh, and one guy who had these awesome bat wings done in browns, like a real bat. I do not think the answer is in restricting everyone to dark colors, either forced as one person is suggesting, or because you have to to look evil. Something should really set these two races apart. Something that could be played with seems to be the glow of their skin which matches their eye color. (I've not noticed any eyes glowing, in themselves.) Awesome idea, but it isn't done enough to tell out of character creation (or unless you get really close to their face - which only smaller races might do). If they made that stronger, you could tell an Arasai from Fae by that shimmering skin style. Still gives you lots of options color wise - so you don't have to go with the black = evil look - but sets one apart from a Fae in a noticable way.