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Dragowulf
04-27-2007, 08:41 PM
If the "evils will get some lovin" race is an evil fae? -doesn't that seem a bit lazy, idk...it might jsut be me, if i want an evil fae ill make one and betray it. it wouldn't be as original at all it if that was the way it turns out, jsut would seem like a dissapoointment.   Would probably use the same models with different colors and wings, to me that is just a waste.   If they want to do it  that way why don't they make it when you betray a fae, you get an evil set of customizations, otherwise it seems to be an utter waste to do that to us evil people.  We want something original, or at least...i do. never said that, that's going to happen, but i mean hypothetically. any thoughts/opinions? [P.S. Please don't flame me]

Rad
04-27-2007, 10:01 PM
The idea does seem rather lazy to me...but if they make them very distinguishable from fae, I don't think I'd mind it too much. It's an idea that can either be done very well or very lazily.  Let's hope they choose the first option if they're doing it.

Dragowulf
04-27-2007, 11:03 PM
I just hope that the rumor of the evil fae is not true.  It will crush my spirit, literally lol. We already had 1 fae race, no need for another...atleast not right after EoF, especially if it's going to be almost exactly the same just darker and eviler. It might be cool having different kinds of fae, similar to elves.  High elf, grey elf, wood elf, half elf, etc.  That, I might possibly buy.

iceriven2
04-27-2007, 11:13 PM
I hope its not an evil fae....cuze that is a lazy move.  Do something new and give a completely new race or least one that we never been able to play as instead of a different color one of what we can play as alrdy.

Cusashorn
04-27-2007, 11:56 PM
It is evil Fae. We've already learned about the Arsai, or Dark_Fae, a long time ago. The developers have stated it's something we've already seen in the game, and the Innoruuk questline has you gathering spirit blooms to research so they can corrupt the fae growing inside.

Dragowulf
04-28-2007, 12:17 AM
i know the developers can do better than that, it dissapoints me. i'm ashamed at the mere thought of it

Rahatmattata
04-28-2007, 08:00 AM
<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is evil Fae. We've already learned about the Arsai, or Dark_Fae, a long time ago. The developers have stated it's something we've already seen in the game, and the Innoruuk questline has you gathering spirit blooms to research so they can corrupt the fae growing inside.</blockquote> That's pretty lame and disappointing.

Jvaloth
04-28-2007, 08:06 AM
<p>I hope they add a new class.  Tired of the ones we've had for years.</p><p>time for some fresh new classes to zerg to 70 with.</p>

Galithdor
04-28-2007, 10:12 AM
<cite>Rahatmattata wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is evil Fae. We've already learned about the Arsai, or Dark_Fae, a long time ago. The developers have stated it's something we've already seen in the game, and the Innoruuk questline has you gathering spirit blooms to research so they can corrupt the fae growing inside.</blockquote> That's pretty lame and disappointing.</blockquote> Should have expected it...since it was tossed into game on accident with fae (on lfg and on release using placeholder modle i hope lol) so not really dissapointing since most people expected it heh

AbsentmindedMage
04-28-2007, 02:10 PM
Honestly, it depends on how it is introduced. One thing I find really interesting is that we are getting all of this Neriak information now.  Gate callers are appearing in Nek Forest, we have tunnels being dug in Commonlads, and NPCs popping up all over the world.  Yet, there has been no official annoucement of an upcoming expansion about Neriak. Is it possible that they are working on a major Game Update that would rival all past game updates?  They have said that they are moving away from adventure packs. Could the introduction of a new player city and new race(Dark Fae=Arsai) be done through a game update as opposed to an expansion?  Or is it that they are well into the development of the next expansion and have just been holding off annoucing it until it got closer to when it would be released. A Neriak expansion could potentially offer a lot of stuff dealing with the Underfoot which a lot of NPCs have been hinting at for awhile.

Mirander_1
04-28-2007, 03:08 PM
Hopefully the Dark Fae will have there own distinct look, and not just be gothy-looking Fae.  But yeah, I would have preffered a more unique race choice. Oh well, I guess we could always see a neutral race in expansions four or five.

Dragowulf
04-28-2007, 04:00 PM
I would want something as original as the goodies got when announced, not the same little faerie with wings, but more evil. It might be just me and a few other people.  I hope to god the dark fae thing is just some stupid placeholder. And I think the neriak thing is a GU, because if the next EXP pack is released sometime in the fall, it seems a bit early to release this info, especially when they havent even announced the next exp. Didn't grim say they are working on GU's that are as big/bigger than adv. packs, just you dont have to pay for em, recently?

Talz
04-28-2007, 05:10 PM
<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would want something as original as the goodies got when announced, not the same little faerie with wings, but more evil. It might be just me and a few other people.  I hope to god the dark fae thing is just some stupid placeholder. And I think the neriak thing is a GU, because if the next EXP pack is released sometime in the fall, it seems a bit early to release this info, especially when they havent even announced the next exp. Didn't grim say they are working on GU's that are as big/bigger than adv. packs, just you dont have to pay for em, recently? </blockquote>I think you need to look at it differently.  Good and evil Fae were decided before we even knew about the Fae.  I may agree about it being lazy if the Fae were in and somebody at a meeting said "Well, we promised them an evil race so just make the Fae be able to be red, dark purple, black and take away the bright wing colors."  That isn't the case though.  They planned a storyline about splitting the Fae. Don't get me wrong though.  We better be able to tell the difference just by glancing at them or that will be lame and lazy.  I'm kind of hoping they give them imp characteristics.

Cusashorn
04-28-2007, 07:00 PM
<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote> And I think the neriak thing is a GU, because if the next EXP pack is released sometime in the fall, it seems a bit early to release this info, especially when they havent even announced the next exp. </blockquote><p> Think back to Kingdom of Sky. Sky Essences started dropping from the sky months before any of us ever learned about Kingdom of Sky.</p><p>Also:</p><p>Jvaloth wrote: </p><blockquote><p>I hope they add a new class.  Tired of the ones we've had for years.</p><p>time for some fresh new classes to zerg to 70 with.</p></blockquote><p>Keep dreaming bud. The devs have stated they wont work on new classes until all 24 classes that exist already are perfectly balanced against each other in thier archetype for every type of situation including PVE Grouping, PVE Raiding, Soloing, and PVP.</p><p>I'd wager a guess that they've completed about 3% of thier goal.</p>

Dragowulf
04-28-2007, 08:49 PM
ya, i just hope the "dark fae" look completey diff, if it does come out.  Thats the best i can hope for if my hopes of it not actually happening does. =-/

Rabid-Othmir
04-28-2007, 09:06 PM
Corrupted fae, what an insult to evil. Perhaps the devs will place a pretty rainbow over Freeport while they're at it.

Dragowulf
04-28-2007, 09:12 PM
<cite>Rabid-Othmir wrote:</cite><blockquote>Corrupted fae, what an insult to evil. Perhaps the devs will place a pretty rainbow over Freeport while they're at it. </blockquote> thats what my attitude towards it as well..    I mean, wouldnt a corrupted fae be a fae that betrays? but i have to try to be positive and costructive

Armawk
04-28-2007, 09:37 PM
Dont you play a "dark elf"?

Dragowulf
04-28-2007, 10:08 PM
I do infact, among other things. Dark Elf is/looks completely diff. than a high elf, half elf, wood elf, its not just the skin.

AbsentmindedMage
04-28-2007, 10:21 PM
<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I do infact, among other things. Dark Elf is/looks completely diff. than a high elf, half elf, wood elf, its not just the skin. </blockquote> Actually, it is the skin,  hair, and eye color that is the distinguishing factor.   Other than that there isnt any real significant physical differences between high elves, dark elves, or wood elves.  Their abilities and skills are in large part due to what their respective cultures value. I do not see anything wrong with having a Dark Fae.  As far as the betraying quest goes, I do believe that is a completely different form of corruption.  Corruption in the case of the High Elves into Dark Elves is a physical and mental transformation.  Whereas the betrayl questline is a corruption of philosophy of what you think is acceptable and what isnt.  It is simply a shift in allegiance.  So a Fae betraying wouldnt become a Dark Fae no more than a High Elf betraying becomes a Dark Elf.

Armawk
04-28-2007, 11:10 PM
<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I do infact, among other things. Dark Elf is/looks completely diff. than a high elf, half elf, wood elf, its not just the skin. </blockquote> Of course a dark fae should look different.. but a dark elf is a twisted corruption of an elf, thats its whole basis. Adding a twisted corruption of an existing race, as long as its done PROPERLY is cool.

LlewCadey
04-29-2007, 08:07 AM
dark elves ar at least evil, hell if i told people i played an evil fairy in this game they would laugh outright at the stupidity

Chay
04-29-2007, 09:32 AM
Yes, making a new "evil" race from the Fae would be lazy. I think the "corrupted" form of the Fae should have been included in EoF. I think Fae shouldn't betray but be "corrupted" in a quest similar to the old unlocking the Froglok quests. I think any new "evil" race should be... well... umm... new. Not half new. I'm not sure what the race should be. If its a race we are already familiar with in Everquest 2 then I can't say I see one that really inspires me to play it. I'm biased though I only like elves and fae... Not many races out there than really lend themselves to being played. What we need is a 4 armed race. Of course that presents problems... Quad wield anyone? Or "this weapon can only be equipped in the 3rd hand, you lack sufficient appendages". Or "you have too many arms to wear this robe".

liveja
04-29-2007, 11:45 AM
<p>The new race should have been Droags.</p><p>Or Minotaurs.</p><p>Anything but faeries.</p>

Armawk
04-29-2007, 12:01 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>dark elves ar at least evil, hell if i told people i played an evil fairy in this game they would laugh outright at the stupidity </blockquote> You need to meet new people

Noaani
04-29-2007, 02:49 PM
<cite>AbsentmindedMage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, it is the skin,  hair, and eye color that is the distinguishing factor.   Other than that there isnt any real significant physical differences between high elves, dark elves, or wood elves.  Their abilities and skills are in large part due to what their respective cultures value. I do not see anything wrong with having a Dark Fae.  As far as the betraying quest goes, I do believe that is a completely different form of corruption.  Corruption in the case of the High Elves into Dark Elves is a physical and mental transformation.  Whereas the betrayl questline is a corruption of philosophy of what you think is acceptable and what isnt.  It is simply a shift in allegiance.  So a Fae betraying wouldnt become a Dark Fae no more than a High Elf betraying becomes a Dark Elf. </blockquote><p>This about hits the nail on the head I think.</p><p>I can't for the life of me remember where I saw it, but Dark Fae will have diffrent wing patters/color options avalible to it than the current Fae. In effect this makes them as seperate from Fae as Dark Elves are from High Elves. If they bring in some lore as to why the Dark Fae exist, and are as diffrent as 2 comparable races already in game (that no one is complaining about) whats the issue? </p>

Sartredes
04-29-2007, 03:41 PM
I think most of you are looking at this from the wrong perspective.  When EoF was coming out, we were told that the Fae were essentially a neutral race with the ability to choose a class from those available from good, neutral, or evil classes. This was changed before release so that the Fae of Kelethin could only choose from the "good/neutral" classes. I look at this as not so much a new race, but a completion of the Fae.  You could think of humans, half-elves, erudites, kerra, and others in much the same way (though not exactly, as apparently the evil Fae will have some different customizations).  This gives a person the ability to "Start" an evil Fae as was originally intended.  I know the lore surrounding the option of having an evil fae is a bit different from the other examples (corruption of the spirit bud vs making a choice to be evil), but when you look at the lore of the fae, this "corruption" was somewhat necessary in order to break the "reincarnation" of the Fae spirit into yet another goodie-goodie. Would it have been cool to see a completely different character model. Heck yeah! I know that new models take a bunch of time and this appears to be a free addition to the game, so I'm not going to complain. Now if the next paid expansion came out and it was a evil Fae, I'd have been a little annoyed. Like I said, I see this as a completion of what was originally intended with the Fae, so I'm cool with it. One question I have: If Fae are part of the Echoes of Faydwer expansion, and the new race is a evil fae, do only those of us who own EoF get the option to make one, or does everyone get access to create them?

AbsentmindedMage
04-29-2007, 04:24 PM
New Hairstyles, new skintones, new eyecolors, and new wing patterns.  The Dark Fae could be very different looking than the Fae as long as they still have the same skeletal structure it shouldnt create equipment issues.   I think it would be nice if the more insectlike aspect of the Fae were reflected in the Dark Fae.  Perhaps, some sort of  antenna-like stalks on their heads.

Ariellia
04-29-2007, 07:21 PM
Yes I would be a bit disappointed. Originally I thought I was going to be VERY disappointed, but reading these threads I guess if they make it VERY different like the high elves vs. the dark elves it could be viable. I also understand if this is just going to be a free content update/adventure pack that they might not want to go to all the trouble of giving us a completely new race with a completely different set of models. One thing that bothers me though if it is true, is that I think they should have held off allowing Fae to betray until this dark fae race was announced. Right now if someone wants an evil fae their only option is to betray. I can see the complaints now: "I went through all this trouble of making a fae and betraying him/her and leveling her all the way up to 70 and now you introduce a dark fae race. What the heck?" <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Dragowulf
04-29-2007, 07:59 PM
If you think about it, and kind of compare high elf or dark elf, they look totally different, besides size. Skin Color Eyes Eyebrows Ears Nose Facial Aspects lips Hair(some are the same i think) etc If you got a dark elf and made his skin lighter, I assure you it would not look like a High elf, soga or not. Now if they do this right I wont complain.  I'll be a bit dissapointed, but till then i'll be quite skeptical. you guys are pretty much right tho...

Josgar
04-29-2007, 08:10 PM
Well *insert shamless plug: go to my website: <a href="http://eldarsanctum.hyperverse.com/joomla" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eldarsanctum.hyperverse.com/joomla</a> * And there are high elves and dark elves in the logo. If they do Arsai, I will make a fae arsai layout I guess.

Drewx
04-30-2007, 12:04 AM
<p>(I've glanced over this thread but haven't read all the posts so forgive me if I repeat someone.)</p><p>Well like all the other players who plat the evil side of the game. I will be [Removed for Content] is we get evil fairies. Seriously...just like in eqlive the evil side gets gimped and shorthanded all the time. The Good side had a massive world event with the frogloks. [Good: 1 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got the Fae. [Good: 2 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got Kelethin. [Good: 3 Evil: 0]</p><p>After EoF, SOE said Evil players be paitent, you'll get some much needed love. They said it'd knock us out of our boots....apparently they ment knock us out of our boots in anger. So far all the playable races are unique in many ways. Not just appearance. And even the elves are distinctly different.</p><p>So far...it seems that Neriak is coming back. New city I hope. However will it be like Kelethin for good races? A city on a new land that takes a significant amount of time to travel to? Or will it be a city that is smack next to Freeport? Thus having no signifcance at all aside from it being a new city?</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I will be happy to see a new evil city...but they may as well add another wingto Freeport if it'll be so close. I'll be happy if we get another land (Don't care if it is Desert of Ro sized) with the city being a nice strategic and convienent(sp?) location like Kelethin is to Faydwer.</p><p>Race Wise...there is no cope out like evil fairies. That just burns me up. WE ALREADY HAVE BETRAYING FAIRIES, and there are hundreds of faes. You can't turn anywhere in Qeynos and FP without seeing atleast 5 Fae. But they said it's a race we've already seen? Technically we have NOT seen any Arsai. Therefore there is hope it'll be another race.</p><p>I know I;'m not alone but I know alot of players have wanted to play, Gnolls, Orcs, and Aviaks. It cannot be Orcs...(due to story reasons), Gnolls are a possibility since they DO dig underground, Aviaks...are a dream...I'd love em...also NO MMO YET has let people play as a bird race. So I think SOE could profit from doing so...also it'd work as another winged race. *shrugs* Seriously we need an EVIL race. The only TRUE EVIL races are Dark Elf, Iksar, Troll, and Ogre. Ratonga are just...there. The other races are neutral or good. So why not another TRUE evil race?</p><p>Cheap Plug: Those Aviaks/Vultak are [Removed for Content] evil if you ask me.</p><p>Bottomline: SOE will have some very very very VERY angry evil side players if they fill Neriak with Dark Fairies!</p>

Dragowulf
04-30-2007, 01:30 AM
<cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>(I've glanced over this thread but haven't read all the posts so forgive me if I repeat someone.)</p><p>Well like all the other players who plat the evil side of the game. I will be [Removed for Content] is we get evil fairies. Seriously...just like in eqlive the evil side gets gimped and shorthanded all the time. The Good side had a massive world event with the frogloks. [Good: 1 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got the Fae. [Good: 2 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got Kelethin. [Good: 3 Evil: 0]</p><p>After EoF, SOE said Evil players be paitent, you'll get some much needed love. They said it'd knock us out of our boots....apparently they ment knock us out of our boots in anger. So far all the playable races are unique in many ways. Not just appearance. And even the elves are distinctly different.</p><p>So far...it seems that Neriak is coming back. New city I hope. However will it be like Kelethin for good races? A city on a new land that takes a significant amount of time to travel to? Or will it be a city that is smack next to Freeport? Thus having no signifcance at all aside from it being a new city?</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I will be happy to see a new evil city...but they may as well add another wingto Freeport if it'll be so close. I'll be happy if we get another land (Don't care if it is Desert of Ro sized) with the city being a nice strategic and convienent(sp?) location like Kelethin is to Faydwer.</p><p>Race Wise...there is no cope out like evil fairies. That just burns me up. WE ALREADY HAVE BETRAYING FAIRIES, and there are hundreds of faes. You can't turn anywhere in Qeynos and FP without seeing atleast 5 Fae. But they said it's a race we've already seen? Technically we have NOT seen any Arsai. Therefore there is hope it'll be another race.</p><p>I know I;'m not alone but I know alot of players have wanted to play, Gnolls, Orcs, and Aviaks. It cannot be Orcs...(due to story reasons), Gnolls are a possibility since they DO dig underground, Aviaks...are a dream...I'd love em...also NO MMO YET has let people play as a bird race. So I think SOE could profit from doing so...also it'd work as another winged race. *shrugs* Seriously we need an EVIL race. The only TRUE EVIL races are Dark Elf, Iksar, Troll, and Ogre. Ratonga are just...there. The other races are neutral or good. So why not another TRUE evil race?</p><p>Cheap Plug: Those Aviaks/Vultak are [I cannot control my vocabulary] evil if you ask me.</p><p>Bottomline: SOE will have some very very very VERY angry evil side players if they fill Neriak with Dark Fairies!</p></blockquote> amen! couldn't have said it any better myself

AbsentmindedMage
04-30-2007, 02:25 AM
<cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>(I've glanced over this thread but haven't read all the posts so forgive me if I repeat someone.)</p><p>Well like all the other players who plat the evil side of the game. I will be [Removed for Content] is we get evil fairies. Seriously...just like in eqlive the evil side gets gimped and shorthanded all the time. The Good side had a massive world event with the frogloks. [Good: 1 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got the Fae. [Good: 2 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got Kelethin. [Good: 3 Evil: 0]</p><p>After EoF, SOE said Evil players be paitent, you'll get some much needed love. They said it'd knock us out of our boots....apparently they ment knock us out of our boots in anger. So far all the playable races are unique in many ways. Not just appearance. And even the elves are distinctly different.</p><p>So far...it seems that Neriak is coming back. New city I hope. However will it be like Kelethin for good races? A city on a new land that takes a significant amount of time to travel to? Or will it be a city that is smack next to Freeport? Thus having no signifcance at all aside from it being a new city?</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I will be happy to see a new evil city...but they may as well add another wingto Freeport if it'll be so close. I'll be happy if we get another land (Don't care if it is Desert of Ro sized) with the city being a nice strategic and convienent(sp?) location like Kelethin is to Faydwer.</p><p>Race Wise...there is no cope out like evil fairies. That just burns me up. WE ALREADY HAVE BETRAYING FAIRIES, and there are hundreds of faes. You can't turn anywhere in Qeynos and FP without seeing atleast 5 Fae. But they said it's a race we've already seen? Technically we have NOT seen any Arsai. Therefore there is hope it'll be another race.</p><p>I know I;'m not alone but I know alot of players have wanted to play, Gnolls, Orcs, and Aviaks. It cannot be Orcs...(due to story reasons), Gnolls are a possibility since they DO dig underground, Aviaks...are a dream...I'd love em...also NO MMO YET has let people play as a bird race. So I think SOE could profit from doing so...also it'd work as another winged race. *shrugs* Seriously we need an EVIL race. The only TRUE EVIL races are Dark Elf, Iksar, Troll, and Ogre. Ratonga are just...there. The other races are neutral or good. So why not another TRUE evil race?</p><p>Cheap Plug: Those Aviaks/Vultak are [I cannot control my vocabulary] evil if you ask me.</p><p>Bottomline: SOE will have some very very very VERY angry evil side players if they fill Neriak with Dark Fairies!</p></blockquote>I think this is quite a bit of overreaction.  For one thing, the frogloks balanced out a disparity that existed between the number of races in Qeynos and Freeport. (Before the frogloks, more races could start in Freeport than Qeynos.)  Likewise, I wouldnt call the Frogloks as something new but something that had been planned from the beginning but there wasnt time to get it all ready when the game was released.  I think the same thing is valid for the Dark Fae.  We have known that the Dark Fae exist since well before Echoes of Faydwer. You are right in that the good side now has one more than the evil side.  But the introduction of Neriak as a starting city will balance that out.   Also, I highly doubt that Neriak will be full of just Dark Fae.  I would imagine that Dark Elves and Dark Fae could start off in Neriak and possibly other evil races(ogre and troll that fled in before the foreign quarter was locked). I do not see how can list Dark elf as a True evil race and get all upset about Dark Fae.  It is likely that the Dark Fae will have an origin similar to the Dark Elves i.e. Innouruk again corrupting one of Tunare's creations. And finally, we do not know if this whole Neriak and Dark Fae stuff is an expansion or just a very large game update.

Rabid-Othmir
04-30-2007, 03:01 AM
<cite>AbsentmindedMage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I do infact, among other things. Dark Elf is/looks completely diff. than a high elf, half elf, wood elf, its not just the skin. </blockquote> Actually, it is the skin,  hair, and eye color that is the distinguishing factor.   Other than that there isnt any real significant physical differences between high elves, dark elves, or wood elves.  Their abilities and skills are in large part due to what their respective cultures value. </blockquote>I think one of the main reasons as to why Dark Fae are a disappointment and Dark Elves are not is that the Dark Elves have been a race since the original game while the Dark Fae are taking the place of another possible evil race.

Snowdonia
04-30-2007, 04:57 AM
I wouldn't mind it so much if they could truly be dark... IE, no bright toned skin/wings/hair, different hairstyles, and definately different wings. Forget namby pamby insect type wings. Give us bat-like wings! Droag-like wings! Dragonish wings! Complete with possible rips, tears, and rends in them! Give me wings so mutilated they defy nature by holding me aloft (ALL POWERFUL IS EVIL!). Forget bug eyes. Give me cat-like eyes! Bat-like eyes! Dragonish eyes! Spider-like eyes! Make them huge, small, or multiples and combinations of the two! I want a four-eyed (2 small, 2 large), bat winged (ripped all to shreds), putrid, Exorcist, pea-soup-vomit green skinned EVIL Arsai!! Then I'll betray her and make her a Paladin or something equally, puke-tastically "good" like that. I love irony. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Daarom
04-30-2007, 05:22 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>I want a four-eyed (2 small, 2 large), bat winged (ripped all to shreds), putrid, Exorcist, pea-soup-vomit green skinned EVIL Arsai!! </blockquote> Ieeeeeeks!!! I like that <3 <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Noaani
04-30-2007, 09:01 AM
Drewx wrote: <blockquote>The Good side had a massive world event with the frogloks. [Good: 1 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got the Fae. [Good: 2 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got Kelethin. [Good: 3 Evil: 0]</blockquote><p>This should look more like...</p><p>The Evil side started out with 5 races, as opposed to the Good sides 4 [Good: 0  Evil: 1] The Good side had a massive world event with the frogloks. [Good: 1 Evil: 1] Then the Good side got the Fae. [Good: 2 Evil: 1] Then the Good side got Kelethin. [Good: 3 Evil: 1]</p><p>And if this thing goes ahead the way people are assuming (yes, it is only assumptions so far, nothing to get excited/[Removed for Content] off about yet), we can add these too that list.</p><p>The Evil side get Neriak [Good: 3 Evil: 2] The Evil Side get Dark Fae <b><i>[Good: 3 Evil: 3]</i></b></p><p>Wait! what? this could make it even?</p><p>If the Dark Fae are significantly diffrent from the current far, whats the issue? I mean, thats like people complaining before the advent of dark elves saying how they dont want no long ear'd music loving tree hugging hippy associating with anything that considers itself evil, yet look how well they turned out... </p>

Drewx
04-30-2007, 10:55 AM
<p>I forgot to add earlier that this is all speculation as we cannot confirm the new city and race. This whole thing is an "what-if" thing. But we evil side players need to voice our concerns.</p><p>Yes I never mentioned that that Frogloks were in the game but not released yet. The reason I never mentioned it was because they were a planned release (although some will say that SOE just hadn't finished their playable skeleton models yet. I've been here since day 1 btw.)</p><p>"If the Dark Fae are significantly diffrent from the current far, whats the issue? I mean, thats like people complaining before the advent of dark elves saying how they dont want no long ear'd music loving tree hugging hippy associating with anything that considers itself evil, yet look how well they turned out..."</p><p>Valid point but as stated earlier Dark Elves have been there from the beginning and they have been distinctly different from all other elves down to movements and characteristics, and in most mythology dark elves have been there some earlier in the thread put it alot better than I can but you can't compare fae and Arsai to the dark elves and elves. I think the Fae are a good race but in all honestly all that is different on the Arsai are the hair and wings. In the end it'll just be more tiny fairies fluttering around both cities some giggling and others cackling. I like the fae but adding in another variation will just double there already epidemic like population. Also in terms of race as mentioned earlier all the current races are unique in appearance and stats to a certain extent. We don't need another Fairy race as well. This would be like releasing Droag, Lizardman, or Sarnak. We have Iksar...what good would having those races playable do? Same thing in the end. It is more of a concept of individuality/originality and creativeness. The good side got 2 VERY creative races that I haven't seen playable on any other MMO. However we'll get a rehash of one of them as the new evil race? Thats just not creative or original...fairies are around and they are EVERYWHERE honestly we don't need more.</p><p>And Yes this would the game even going by Noaani's scoreboard. But only even if the new race is actually something we haven't played before. Dark Fairies feel more like a 1/2 point than a full point. Model wise it'd be a recycled fae, it'd be like Roekilik being playable...they are just more Ratonga. As I stated earlier and the below is based on SOE claiming the new race is something we have seen this race in game already: I'd be thrilled to see Aviaks (maybe in a futher expansion though as they have no relation to Neriak) but the new race MAY start in Freeport...there is no rule stating a new race has to start in a new city. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was Gnoll (since they burrow underground and the Splitpaw Gnolls had some serious caverns going.) also I think most evil player would be happy with gnoll. Gnolls do hate qeynos and have armor models. Some say Vampires but it'd make no sense. Vamps in the day? Orcs...nope they are the main villian technically. Centuar, Treant, Kobold, Satyr, Mushroom men, Bixie, & Giant...inprobable. Minotuars...could work but it'd be ackward. Droag? We have Iksar and I can't see Droag the servants of the dragons, suddenly forsake their master s they so happily serve and then join the forces of freeport. Goblin/Grinnin...how do they relate to Neriak...I have yet to see Goblins in armor so...it'd be weird to see em suddenly running about.</p><p>Out of the sentient races we have seen only Gnoll, Orc, and Vampire would truely make sense. Aviaks would just be originalpretty much. As with most of the rest excluding Minotaurs and anything undead.</p>

Galithdor
04-30-2007, 10:56 AM
Heh also remember that people reacted like this when the fae were announced as the new race for good (well a lot of people) and what makes you think that the Arsai wont be evil like dark elves? They are probably Fae corrupted by Inny so it would make sense that he twisted thjem into his own vision and make their personalities way different from Fae...lol who knows they may even kick puppies! edit: Maybe there will be physical features that make them look different...i would be a little dissapointed if they just made them a rehashed modle of the fae <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

LlewCadey
04-30-2007, 12:53 PM
<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote>Drewx wrote: <blockquote>The Good side had a massive world event with the frogloks. [Good: 1 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got the Fae. [Good: 2 Evil: 0] Then the Good side got Kelethin. [Good: 3 Evil: 0]</blockquote><p>This should look more like...</p><p>The Evil side started out with 5 races, as opposed to the Good sides 4 [Good: 0  Evil: 1] The Good side had a massive world event with the frogloks. [Good: 1 Evil: 1] Then the Good side got the Fae. [Good: 2 Evil: 1] Then the Good side got Kelethin. [Good: 3 Evil: 1] The Evil side get Neriak [Good: 3 Evil: 2] The Evil Side get Dark Fae <b><i>[Good: 3 Evil: 1(-1 for lame race)]</i></b></p> fixed</blockquote>

Galithdor
04-30-2007, 03:34 PM
<p>edit:nah im not gonna start it again...</p>

Snowdonia
04-30-2007, 04:05 PM
<cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The good side got 2 VERY creative races that I haven't seen playable on any other MMO. </p></blockquote>Not true actually. A fairy race was "discovered" and playable a year ago in a little game (now gone to pot) called Horizons. They are called Dryads. But the Frogloks I'll give you.

DngrMou
04-30-2007, 05:08 PM
<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>If the "evils will get some lovin" race is an evil fae? -doesn't that seem a bit lazy, idk...it might jsut be me, if i want an evil fae ill make one and betray it. it wouldn't be as original at all it if that was the way it turns out, jsut would seem like a dissapoointment.   Would probably use the same models with different colors and wings, to me that is just a waste.   If they want to do it  that way why don't they make it when you betray a fae, you get an evil set of customizations, otherwise it seems to be an utter waste to do that to us evil people.  We want something original, or at least...i do. never said that, that's going to happen, but i mean hypothetically. any thoughts/opinions? [P.S. Please don't flame me] </blockquote> Wow...we're whining about hypotheticals now?  Yay!  Can I play too?

Dragowulf
04-30-2007, 07:21 PM
[email protected] Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>If the "evils will get some lovin" race is an evil fae? -doesn't that seem a bit lazy, idk...it might jsut be me, if i want an evil fae ill make one and betray it. it wouldn't be as original at all it if that was the way it turns out, jsut would seem like a dissapoointment.   Would probably use the same models with different colors and wings, to me that is just a waste.   If they want to do it  that way why don't they make it when you betray a fae, you get an evil set of customizations, otherwise it seems to be an utter waste to do that to us evil people.  We want something original, or at least...i do. never said that, that's going to happen, but i mean hypothetically. any thoughts/opinions? [P.S. Please don't flame me] </blockquote> Wow...we're whining about hypotheticals now?  Yay!  Can I play too?</blockquote>Well I'm saying if it were to happen.  If the United States of America were to get bombed in a city close to where you lived, what would you do/say.  That kind of situation is what I'm trying to say.  I'm not saying that it will happen, but if it does. Anyways. Let me ask you guys this: 1lets say that you're adventuring in the wailing caves and you see 2 elfs, a dark elf and a high elf....could you tell the difference and explain which one is which easily? 2same situation but with evil fae and good fae could you tell the difference and explain which one is which easily? 1.easily 2.Honestly I wouldnt beable to easily. I cant even tell if a fae is a girl or a guy if i  see one on my dark elf.  IF youwont be able to rec ognize which is which, dont you think that theyre too much alike. hopefully if they do it they do it right

Lightstrider
04-30-2007, 07:34 PM
<p>Ahh, the speculation game.  Well, OK, let's have a go.</p><p>The return of Neriak?  Not a bad idea.  Certainly there is a large player base that has been demanding it for ages.  It could also be the jumping off point for a future Underfoot expansion project, if there ever is one.  I posted a while back about how after playing WOW, two of the things I liked about it were the diversity of the cities and the diversity (beyond appearance) of the races.  SOE has begun to address the former for me by bringing back Kelethin, so Neriak would be a positive step in my book.  Any city that was sufficiently different from those currently in game would do the same, frankly, but I liked Neriak back in EQ1, so it would be cool.  I assume SOE would then allow certain races to use it as a starting city, much as they did with Kelethin.  I agree with the posters who pointed out how close it is to Freeport, though, especially if it is accessible via Commonlands.</p><p>SOE began addressing my second issue by giving the Fae a freefall racial ability.  I miss those abilities the races had back in EQ1 and enjoyed having the same again in WOW.  A dev said not long after EOF that they were hoping to give each race some distinctive abilities again, which I think would be great.</p><p>Now, the downside to all this is that it makes it less likely that a new race of any kind will show up in the next expansion, if as seems quite likely this all goes live via a GU.  The races will be balanced at that point as far as good and evil go.  Which means that, to address the original question of this thread, I will be pretty disappointed if the new race is just a differently colored version of the Fae.  Knowing that it will probably be some time before a new race is added again, it would be nice to have it be gnolls or something like that (or minotaurs, whoever said that--I loved playing the Taurens in WOW, but I liked their native culture so maybe that was why).  </p><p>Of course, since I have no spare character slots and don't want to delete any of my characters, it is all kind of moot to me anyway, I guess.  There's the expansion I want--expand my character slots.  I can't afford station access anymore, and I don't have hard drive space for running the test or european servers, so I won't be playing a new race until they give me more slots.  Hey, so maybe I DO hope that it is an evil Fae--I won't be so annoyed at not being able to create one!  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Dragowulf
04-30-2007, 07:45 PM
<cite>Lightstrider wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Of course, since I have no spare character slots and don't want to delete any of my characters, it is all kind of moot to me anyway, I guess.  There's the expansion I want--expand my character slots.  I can't afford station access anymore, and I don't have hard drive space for running the test or european servers, so I won't be playing a new race until they give me more slots.  Hey, so maybe I DO hope that it is an evil Fae--I won't be so annoyed at not being able to create one!  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> lol, reading that gave me a laugh good to be positive like that, haha

TheGReddy
04-30-2007, 11:09 PM
<p>3 words, </p><p>They need tails.</p>

Dragowulf
04-30-2007, 11:29 PM
<cite>TheGReddy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3 words, </p><p>They need tails.</p></blockquote> 3 words yes they do

Snowdonia
05-01-2007, 03:25 AM
OMG TAILS! How could I forget tails in my synopsis?!?! YES! Tails tails and MORE tails! Oooooooooo, and HORNS! YES YES GIVE ME HORNS! OH! OH! AND HOOVES, CLAWS, OR BOTH!! *drool* Oh yeeeeahh! *flushes at the thought*

Dragowulf
05-01-2007, 09:49 AM
and bat ears

Maroger
05-01-2007, 11:02 AM
NO EVIL FAE. I hate the fae -- they are so [Removed for Content] tiny and they have those wing. Forget no evil fae. They should not even let them betray to Freeport.

lilmohi
05-01-2007, 02:35 PM
I think for PvP purposes the next race will have to be a small gliding race to balance the fae on the good side.  However i bet that will be the only thing they have in common with fae.  I suspect they will have dark leatherly bat/demon wings, along with horns and possibly a tail.  They will be so different that calling them "evil fae" would be like calling ogres "evil barbarians".  <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Hopefully they will also get an alternate form except that it will be a dark cloud.

Cusashorn
05-01-2007, 02:39 PM
<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think for PvP purposes the next race will have to be a small gliding race to balance the fae on the good side.  However i bet that will be the only thing they have in common with fae.  I suspect they will have dark leatherly bat/demon wings, along with horns and possibly a tail.  They will be so different that calling them "evil fae" would be like calling ogres "evil barbarians".  <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Hopefully they will also get an alternate form except that it will be a dark cloud.</blockquote> Barbarians are a neutral race. >_>

Dragowulf
05-04-2007, 02:18 AM
Thread Closed. We know what we're going to get, and I hope it's good. Can't complain, free content.

Likias
05-15-2007, 07:03 PM
An evil fairy is not a bad idea, after all they could be evil pixies instead lol.  Can we get piercings, scars, slashed wings and tattoes a cool bad girl/guy wardrobe? lol.  I'm not really into evil toons anyway, but I would still try it out.  Ya never know...i can always betray it...um, right?