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Titan-X
03-13-2007, 04:48 PM
<p>Random call for nerfing-</p><p> All I see in the forums is people crying because they don't get what they want. They call for a class to be nerfed because it's too strong. They call for major changes to the games dynamic because they do not know how to adapt. </p><p>People..<u>Stop</u> calling for classes to be nerfed. <u>Stop</u> ruining the game<u>. Stop</u> crying and play more. </p><p>If you have a hard time playing a class, roll another one. If you want to get better, think about why you died and devise a strategy to not die again. I will kill you on my Zerker, I will kill you on my Illusionist, and I will kill you on my wizard, Shammy, Brigand, Necro, Ranger, Assasin, Dirge, Troubadour. I will kill you on any class. Can I do that from day one? No, not only no but H*ll No.. Learn to play, play to win or go home. </p><p>Coming to the forums to discuss a class constructively is one thing, calling for a entire class to be nerfed is a joke.. </p><p> Stop the madnes, play the game...GO</p>

Eybietie
03-13-2007, 05:19 PM
i can´t play the game - all classes are too powerfull....

CresentBlade
03-13-2007, 05:35 PM
So basically you made a post crying about people crying. And your are trying to nerf, nerfs.<img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Eybietie
03-13-2007, 05:40 PM
nerf gildorath.

Léon
03-13-2007, 05:45 PM
<p>why he is total easymode noob, who cant get slayer title lol , all you gotta kill is green untitled </p>

Bozidar
03-13-2007, 05:51 PM
<p>LOL.  You fruitcakes crack me up.</p><p>Someone calls for a nerf for the most OP class in the game (currently) and people go hog wild.</p><p>You sound like all the T7 brigs a couple of months ago.</p><p>"Stop crying and just play against my obviously overpowered [Removed for Content] that's going to run you over every single time!  You're such a BABY!"</p><p>Please.. grow up and be mature about it.  Recognize when you class is over powered and discuss it for the good of the game.</p><p>Instead of trying to protect your classes OP bullcrap, why don't you just go hack Counterstrike 2 for god mode and go around killing guys, and tell them to shut up if they don't like it or go play Duke Nukem.  </p><p>There are classes at all levels of this game that are too powerful.  This game will NEVER be perfect, and folks will always have gripes.. and constructive conversation towards bettering the game, rather than [Removed for Content]-back-and-forth fests are the only thing that will make a difference.</p><p>So instead of starting yet another thread on no-nerfing (goodness, aren't there a billion of them on the old forum you could just read and make yourself feel better<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, why not join the discussion and share your points of view.  If you don't think you need a nerf, then explain it, and explain why.  Crying about Crying just makes YOU a crybaby too.</p>

Khrunk
03-13-2007, 05:54 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>Random call for nerfing-</p><p> All I see in the forums is people crying because they don't get what they want. They call for a class to be nerfed because it's too strong. They call for major changes to the games dynamic because they do not know how to adapt. </p><p>People..<u>Stop</u> calling for classes to be nerfed. <u>Stop</u> ruining the game<u>. Stop</u> crying and play more. </p><p>If you have a hard time playing a class, roll another one. If you want to get better, think about why you died and devise a strategy to not die again. I will kill you on my Zerker, I will kill you on my Illusionist, and I will kill you on my wizard, Shammy, Brigand, Necro, Ranger, Assasin, Dirge, Troubadour. I will kill you on any class. Can I do that from day one? No, not only no but H*ll No.. Learn to play, play to win or go home. </p><p>Coming to the forums to discuss a class constructively is one thing, calling for a entire class to be nerfed is a joke.. </p><p> Stop the madnes, play the game...GO</p></blockquote>solo with a guard and say you will kill on any class <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

PeaSy1
03-13-2007, 06:04 PM
Tier 3 furies are absolutely rediculous. And nearly unkillable if played mediocrely.

Shinnar
03-13-2007, 06:11 PM
<p>Some time ago if someone cried about nerfing, he was 100%ly wizard. Now I think it is little better. Something like 99 % are wizards and 1 % are other classes <img src="/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. BTW what class you play OP? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Norrsken
03-13-2007, 06:42 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Tier 3 furies are absolutely rediculous. And nearly unkillable if played mediocrely.</blockquote> Nopes. Kill them regularly.

Darlion
03-13-2007, 07:45 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>I will kill you on my Zerker, I will kill you on my Illusionist, and I will kill you on my wizard, Shammy, Brigand, Necro, Ranger, Assasin, Dirge, Troubadour. I will kill you on any class.</p></blockquote>Um... no you won't.

Pumancat
03-13-2007, 09:08 PM
<p>Random call for nerfing-</p><p> All I see in the forums is people crying because they don't get what they want. They call for a class to be nerfed because it's too strong. They call for major changes to the games dynamic because they do not know how to adapt. <span style="color: #0033ff">Maybe because the Devs obviously don't understand what class balance means? there should in no way have it for certain classes to be so much " better " than any other class as to be able to railroad them at any and almost every time.</span></p><p>People..<u>Stop</u> calling for classes to be nerfed. <span style="color: #0066cc">YES, call for a nerf when the class is so out balanced compaired to the other classes.</span> <u>Stop</u> ruining the game. <span style="color: #0066cc">The only ones ruining the game are the ones taking any and every advantage of these class imbalances and preying on the lesser and " weaker? " abilitied. </span> <u>Stop</u> crying and play more. </p><p>If you have a hard time playing a class, roll another one. <span style="color: #0066cc">I thought this was supposed to be a fantasy based game where you should be able to play a diversity of different classes and characters of your own choosing, where every player stood a " fair " chance of competing in pvp combat to be determined by skills of the players, not that of a players ability to exploit the obvious over imbalance and over powered ability of certain classes in the game mechanics.</span> If you want to get better, think about why you died and devise a strategy to not die again. I will kill you on my Zerker, I will kill you on my Illusionist, and I will kill you on my wizard, Shammy, Brigand, Necro, Ranger, Assasin, Dirge, Troubadour. I will kill you on any class. <span style="color: #0066cc">No you won't and No you can't ever with these certain overpowered classes. </span>Can I do that from day one? No, not only no but H*ll No.. Learn to play, play to win or go home. <span style="color: #0066cc">KMA, I pay my 14$ a month just like you and expect to be able to play the character of MY choosing, and be able to pvp in an even balanced playing field of skill vs skill, 1 vs 1, or  G vs G. NOT to have my lvl 70 blown away by another class 15 - 20 lvls lower than me because of their nuke or melee doing almost 2k more dmg than mine in half the [Removed for Content] time, and given abilities that ruin my class' ability because of some screwed up idea of a Dev's of what pvp and fantasy RPG is about. And STOP telling me to L2P, I've done pretty [Removed for Content] well with my characters and DO know how to play them. There is no way in h*ll that a class 15 - 20 lvls lower than me should ever be able to resist my lvl 70 adept3 3 castings in a row and then blast me with a nuke doing almost 2k more dmg to me than mine could do to them. EVER!</span></p><p><span style="color: #0066cc">Since day one there have been complaints of obvious imbalances and advantages of the scout class over the other classes as is demonstrated by the majority of charaters on the pvp servers being scouts ( prime example, no offence intended ). So in retaliation by frustrated players trying to play other " weaker? " character classes of THEIR choosing have no choice but to call for nerfs to try and regain some sembiance of class balance. No class should have any blatant advantages such as resists vs the primary ability of other classes, compaired to mitigation vs a melee class, whether it be solo, or grouped. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0066cc">Example - How about my wizard having a magical ward vs a certain percentage of melee dmg instead of converting the dmg to a little extra power. What good is extra power when I'm being slashed faster than I can cast and use what power I already have? That's the stupidity of the devs idea of balance I referred to.</span></p><p>Coming to the forums to discuss a class constructively is one thing, calling for a entire class to be nerfed is a joke.. <span style="color: #0099cc">Not when it's the problem of the whole class.</span></p><p> Stop the madnes, play the game...GO </p><p><span style="color: #0066cc">Who the h*ll are you? and what class do you play? What lvl are your toons? Do you even play?</span></p><p>Edited by <span style="color: #0099cc">Nyarlath (at least I have the guts to put my name on my posting)</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099cc">Nyarlath - 70 wizard</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099cc">Pisdoff - 57 bruiser</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099cc">Venekor server</span></p>

Titan-X
03-14-2007, 10:53 AM
<cite>Pumancat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Random call for nerfing-</p><p> All I see in the forums is people crying because they don't get what they want. They call for a class to be nerfed because it's too strong. They call for major changes to the games dynamic because they do not know how to adapt. <span style="color: #0033ff">Maybe because the Devs obviously don't understand what class balance means? there should in no way have it for certain classes to be so much " better " than any other class as to be able to railroad them at any and almost every time.</span></p><p>People..<u>Stop</u> calling for classes to be nerfed. <span style="color: #0066cc">YES, call for a nerf when the class is so out balanced compaired to the other classes.</span> <u>Stop</u> ruining the game. <span style="color: #0066cc">The only ones ruining the game are the ones taking any and every advantage of these class imbalances and preying on the lesser and " weaker? " abilitied. </span> <u>Stop</u> crying and play more. </p><p>If you have a hard time playing a class, roll another one. <span style="color: #0066cc">I thought this was supposed to be a fantasy based game where you should be able to play a diversity of different classes and characters of your own choosing, where every player stood a " fair " chance of competing in pvp combat to be determined by skills of the players, not that of a players ability to exploit the obvious over imbalance and over powered ability of certain classes in the game mechanics.</span> If you want to get better, think about why you died and devise a strategy to not die again. I will kill you on my Zerker, I will kill you on my Illusionist, and I will kill you on my wizard, Shammy, Brigand, Necro, Ranger, Assasin, Dirge, Troubadour. I will kill you on any class. <span style="color: #0066cc">No you won't and No you can't ever with these certain overpowered classes. </span>Can I do that from day one? No, not only no but H*ll No.. Learn to play, play to win or go home. <span style="color: #0066cc">KMA, I pay my 14$ a month just like you and expect to be able to play the character of MY choosing, and be able to pvp in an even balanced playing field of skill vs skill, 1 vs 1, or  G vs G. NOT to have my lvl 70 blown away by another class 15 - 20 lvls lower than me because of their nuke or melee doing almost 2k more dmg than mine in half the [I cannot control my vocabulary] time, and given abilities that ruin my class' ability because of some screwed up idea of a Dev's of what pvp and fantasy RPG is about. And STOP telling me to L2P, I've done pretty [I cannot control my vocabulary] well with my characters and DO know how to play them. There is no way in h*ll that a class 15 - 20 lvls lower than me should ever be able to resist my lvl 70 adept3 3 castings in a row and then blast me with a nuke doing almost 2k more dmg to me than mine could do to them. EVER!</span></p><p><span style="color: #0066cc">Since day one there have been complaints of obvious imbalances and advantages of the scout class over the other classes as is demonstrated by the majority of charaters on the pvp servers being scouts ( prime example, no offence intended ). So in retaliation by frustrated players trying to play other " weaker? " character classes of THEIR choosing have no choice but to call for nerfs to try and regain some sembiance of class balance. No class should have any blatant advantages such as resists vs the primary ability of other classes, compaired to mitigation vs a melee class, whether it be solo, or grouped. </span></p><p><span style="color: #0066cc">Example - How about my wizard having a magical ward vs a certain percentage of melee dmg instead of converting the dmg to a little extra power. What good is extra power when I'm being slashed faster than I can cast and use what power I already have? That's the stupidity of the devs idea of balance I referred to.</span></p><p>Coming to the forums to discuss a class constructively is one thing, calling for a entire class to be nerfed is a joke.. <span style="color: #0099cc">Not when it's the problem of the whole class.</span></p><p> Stop the madnes, play the game...GO </p><p><span style="color: #0066cc">Who the h*ll are you? and what class do you play? What lvl are your toons? Do you even play?</span></p><p>Edited by <span style="color: #0099cc">Nyarlath (at least I have the guts to put my name on my posting)</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099cc">Nyarlath - 70 wizard</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099cc">Pisdoff - 57 bruiser</span></p><p><span style="color: #0099cc">Venekor server</span></p></blockquote><p>Oh yes, let me qualify..Apparently that is what is needed here.</p><p>I play pvp when not raiding on kith..My toons include a 25 zerker (locked) 27 brigand (locked) 36 bruiser (locked) 25 illusionist (locked) 30 wizard (locked) 49 fury (exp/pvp) 70 (conj) Thats one account i guess I have to continue? Oh I play on vox and my fury is my current main his name is Dodad....I find it wonderfully funny that someone who plays a class who can one shot most people at 70 is complaining about anything. Then we look at your secondary class, a bruiser one of the best balanced pvp classes around../shrug</p><p>Last time i checked none of my melee classes could mana burn for 20-60k *approx* depending on gear..Cry less play more </p>

Sinistria
03-14-2007, 11:04 AM
nerf zone immunity away nerf rethpawnth (remove them to the bindpoint you are allowed to choothe yourthelf) nerf empty server nerf lvl-locking nerf thcoutth nerf my "TH"-key. itth broken

Lite-Brite
03-14-2007, 11:07 AM
<span style="color: #66ffff">EVERYONE JUST ROLL A ROUGUE AND BATTLE IT OUT!! THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT EVERYONE WANTS </span>

Jaggid
03-14-2007, 11:10 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>Random call for nerfing-</p><p> All I see in the forums is people crying because they don't get what they want. They call for a class to be nerfed because it's too strong. They call for major changes to the games dynamic because they do not know how to adapt. </p><p>People..<u>Stop</u> calling for classes to be nerfed. <u>Stop</u> ruining the game<u>. Stop</u> crying and play more. </p><p>If you have a hard time playing a class, roll another one. If you want to get better, think about why you died and devise a strategy to not die again. I will kill you on my Zerker, I will kill you on my Illusionist, and I will kill you on my wizard, Shammy, Brigand, Necro, Ranger, Assasin, Dirge, Troubadour. I will kill you on any class. Can I do that from day one? No, not only no but H*ll No.. Learn to play, play to win or go home. </p><p>Coming to the forums to discuss a class constructively is one thing, calling for a entire class to be nerfed is a joke.. </p><p> Stop the madnes, play the game...GO</p></blockquote><p>People want an easy button!</p><p>Nerf cries are newbs and will sooner or later realize they suck and will start looking at learning to play rather than cry. </p>

Pumancat
03-14-2007, 12:38 PM
<p>Sharpteeth wrote</p><p>Last time i checked none of my melee classes could mana burn for 20-60k *approx* depending on gear..Cry less play more</p><p> have you ever tried casting manaburn while being slashed and multi interrupted by instant attacks at which you have almost  0% resistance?</p><p> Manaburn is a 6 second cast in which those 6 seconds are by most any other class can make up to 4 other attacks, mostly melee. And why would any wizard in their right mind use a spell that drains them of almost all their power as a first attack? So wait, I'll start with Ice Nova and IF it hasn't been interrupted 3 times before I can finish casting, I can watch it be resisted the next 2 or 3 times I try to cast it. Or maybe Fusion? it does big dmg also. same senerio.</p><p>or how about another example of the imbalance of resists vs magic and resists vs melee?</p><p>Caught a swashy afk one time, took 4 castings of IN to do about a 5th of the dmg it supposedly could do, then ran up and cast Fusion on the toon, it hit for around 1.5k, meanwhile this player is still afk, so I cast another IN to see if it can finish him off, no it doesn't, but now I have the swashyin the last bar of red health, I start to cast one of my lava on him, but the player is back on the toon and runs to me and slashes me to death so fast my casting couldn't even start over.</p><p>I have never met or heard of any mage that has one shotted any melee class, but I sure as h*ll have been one shotted by melee and now am 2 shotted by certain healer class.</p><p>I apologize if you think this is a whine, but let's face the fact that YES, their very much IS an imbalance in classes and game mechanics and it seems that the only resolution for players to turn their frustrations is to whine and call for nerfs</p><p>Nyarlath</p>

Bozidar
03-15-2007, 10:46 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Tier 3 furies are absolutely rediculous. And nearly unkillable if played mediocrely.</blockquote> ROFLMAO!! No, they most certainly are not.  Either are wardens, btw.

Sinistria
03-15-2007, 11:34 AM
remove resists in pvp makes mages kill others pretty fast but: melee gets to mage: mage almost insta-death anyway. so fair deal.

The_Real_Ohno
03-15-2007, 01:07 PM
<p>I think they should remove CAs/Spells from being casted in a PvP battle...</p><p>/agree 100% OP  Nerf this nerf that as of late...</p>

TheLopper
03-15-2007, 01:52 PM
<cite>The_Real_Ohnoes wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think they should remove CAs/Spells from being casted in a PvP battle...</p><p>/agree 100% OP  Nerf this nerf that as of late...</p></blockquote> You're just sweatin' rangers are up next on the choppin' block ^_^

CresentBlade
03-15-2007, 08:43 PM
<cite>Sinistria wrote:</cite><blockquote>remove resists in pvp makes mages kill others pretty fast but: melee gets to mage: mage almost insta-death anyway. so fair deal. </blockquote> This would make things even worse. Then we would have a full server of casters and nothing else.