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Karellen
03-06-2007, 02:45 PM
<p>Hi,</p><p>Since we are at it: PvP Lore and Legend Quests would be a very nice and meaningfull additional incentive for PvP.</p><p>The simplest form of it could be for example race L&L ratonga, troll etc</p><p>a more advanced version and not very well fiting in fiction terms would be class L&L eg Assasine or Conjuror L&L etc</p><p>an even more advanced version would be to combine both race and class L&L</p><p> The resulting award in the simplest form would be a master strike for that race or class.</p><p>If it was my choice though i would have something more intersting and less powerfull.</p><p>For example tracking of the given class race combination or even port to their location. Something along those lines.</p><p>Apart from the additional fun this would have also a very nice balancing efect as for overepresented classes/races would be easy to get the L&L while for the least represented extremely hard. Imagine to try to complete the froglok templar L&L...</p><p>On the other hand Assasin ratonga wouldnt be hard...</p><p>Cheers </p>

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 02:46 PM
<cite>Karellen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi,</p><p>Since we are at it: PvP Lore and Legend Quests would be a very nice and meaningfull additional incentive for PvP.</p><p>The simplest form of it could be for example race L&L ratonga, troll etc</p><p>a more advanced version and not very well fiting in fiction terms would be class L&L eg Assasine or Conjuror L&L etc</p><p>an even more advanced version would be to combine both race and class L&L</p><p> The resulting award in the simplest form would be a master strike for that race or class.</p><p>If it was my choice though i would have something more intersting and less powerfull.</p><p>For example tracking of the given class race combination or even port to their location. Something along those lines.</p><p>Apart from the additional fun this would have also a very nice balancing efect as for overepresented classes/races would be easy to get the L&L while for the least represented extremely hard. Imagine to try to complete the froglok templar L&L...</p><p>On the other hand Assasin ratonga wouldnt be hard...</p><p>Cheers </p></blockquote>How about a L&L for guys who stand around waiting for someone to engage them in pvp and then run like the wind when someone does? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Karellen
03-06-2007, 02:55 PM
<p>Are you also capable to percieve the subject of a thread and dont go out of it?</p>

Karellen
03-06-2007, 02:57 PM
<cite>Karellen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Are you also capable to percieve the subject of a thread and dont go out of it?</p><p>The next time you are reported to pm...</p></blockquote>

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 02:57 PM
<cite>Karellen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Do you belong to those little ones that stay at ts and the only thing are capable of is playing as mob? </p><p>Are you also capable to percieve the subject of a thread and dont go out of it?</p></blockquote><p> No, and yes.</p><p>You could do racial and class-based ones, but you can't do the combos.  people don't have enough room in their quest journal for all of that.</p>

Karellen
03-06-2007, 03:02 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Karellen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Do you belong to those little ones that stay at ts and the only thing are capable of is playing as mob? </p><p>Are you also capable to percieve the subject of a thread and dont go out of it?</p></blockquote><p> No, and yes.</p><p>You could do racial and class-based ones, but you can't do the combos.  people don't have enough room in their quest journal for all of that.</p></blockquote>You are right on that they would be too many unless they find some clever way to design it.

Karellen
03-06-2007, 03:07 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Karellen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Do you belong to those little ones that stay at ts and the only thing are capable of is playing as mob? </p><p>Are you also capable to percieve the subject of a thread and dont go out of it?</p></blockquote><p> No, and yes.</p><p>You could do racial and class-based ones, but you can't do the combos.  people don't have enough room in their quest journal for all of that.</p></blockquote>One way could be to have only race and class quests. But if you have completed a combination grands you an additional spell.

Eluzay
03-06-2007, 04:02 PM
<cite>Karellen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi,</p><p>Since we are at it: PvP Lore and Legend Quests would be a very nice and meaningfull additional incentive for PvP.</p><p>The simplest form of it could be for example race L&L ratonga, troll etc</p><p>a more advanced version and not very well fiting in fiction terms would be class L&L eg Assasine or Conjuror L&L etc</p><p>an even more advanced version would be to combine both race and class L&L</p><p> The resulting award in the simplest form would be a master strike for that race or class.</p><p>If it was my choice though i would have something more intersting and less powerfull.</p><p>For example tracking of the given class race combination or even port to their location. Something along those lines.</p><p>Apart from the additional fun this would have also a very nice balancing efect as for overepresented classes/races would be easy to get the L&L while for the least represented extremely hard. Imagine to try to complete the froglok templar L&L...</p><p>On the other hand Assasin ratonga wouldnt be hard...</p><p>Cheers </p></blockquote>why so that people can compain about them like they did god spells?

Shinnar
03-06-2007, 04:49 PM
i wonder if fairy L&L strike can be used on that damned Fairy-Players..... Would be nice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 04:52 PM
<cite>Shinnar wrote:</cite><blockquote>i wonder if fairy L&L strike can be used on that damned Fairy-Players..... Would be nice <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> they're not faries.. they're fey.

Greeen-_-Ranger
03-06-2007, 05:22 PM
They're not fey, they're Fae.

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 05:38 PM
<cite>Greeen-_-Ranger wrote:</cite><blockquote>They're not fey, they're Fae.</blockquote> they're not Fae, they're Faction <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kurindor_Mythecnea
03-06-2007, 06:13 PM
Lol. Why would you try to shoot down such a good suggestion simply because "everyone's quest journal wouldn't have the space"? lmfao... Wouldn't it be the point to provide some other niche with PvP? I think this could be a neat addition in that regard and I'm sure everyone would like it a lot. <img src="/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 06:19 PM
<cite>Kurindor_Mythecnea wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lol. Why would you try to shoot down such a good suggestion simply because "everyone's quest journal wouldn't have the space"? lmfao... </blockquote>read more carefully.. n00b

Radigazt
03-06-2007, 10:33 PM
<p>No, Master Strikes in PvP would be a terrible idea.  Let's get away from the overpowered stuff already and stay with the stuff that really works.  No, we don't want L&L's for PvP because if any Master Strike at all were usable in PvP, it would be way to powerful.  Heck, the Miracles and Blessings--even after being nerfed very significantly--are still way overpowered.  SOE needs to remove Miracles and Blessings from the PvP encounter entirely ... and if that's too hard, disable them on PvP servers.  No, we don't want a Master Strike usable in PvP.  </p><p>If you want the backstory or immersion to it, how about PvP Writs, PvP Quests, and/or PvP Collections?  It could be a Writ to kill 50 Yellow Con foes.  A Quest to stop a Raid.  Or, collect ears from your foes for a PvP ear collection.  You could have them reward Status and/or Faction.  you'd still get the backstory, immersiveness, and goal, but without the nasty Master Strike unbalencing PvP.  </p>

Kurindor_Mythecnea
03-06-2007, 11:51 PM
It doesnt have to be the typical Master Strike...it could even be something for vanity, or just a minor buff when you fight that type (say, + 100 health that procs 1.8 and lasts for 15 sec).

SoulfireUK
03-07-2007, 06:38 AM
Radigazt wrote: <blockquote><p>If you want the backstory or immersion to it, how about PvP Writs, PvP Quests, and/or PvP Collections?  It could be a Writ to kill 50 Yellow Con foes.  A Quest to stop a Raid.  Or, collect ears from your foes for a PvP ear collection.  You could have them reward Status and/or Faction.  you'd still get the backstory, immersiveness, and goal, but without the nasty Master Strike unbalencing PvP.  </p></blockquote> I like this idea, especially if they (and should) remove the infamy/title rubbish.  you could even have the reward of a 50 ear turn in of a elf ear necklace to imtimidate foes LOL 

Karellen
03-07-2007, 03:29 PM
<cite>Radigazt wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No, Master Strikes in PvP would be a terrible idea.  Let's get away from the overpowered stuff already and stay with the stuff that really works.  No, we don't want L&L's for PvP because if any Master Strike at all were usable in PvP, it would be way to powerful.  Heck, the Miracles and Blessings--even after being nerfed very significantly--are still way overpowered.  SOE needs to remove Miracles and Blessings from the PvP encounter entirely ... and if that's too hard, disable them on PvP servers.  No, we don't want a Master Strike usable in PvP.  </p><p>If you want the backstory or immersion to it, how about PvP Writs, PvP Quests, and/or PvP Collections?  It could be a Writ to kill 50 Yellow Con foes.  A Quest to stop a Raid.  Or, collect ears from your foes for a PvP ear collection.  You could have them reward Status and/or Faction.  you'd still get the backstory, immersiveness, and goal, but without the nasty Master Strike unbalencing PvP.  </p></blockquote>As i said a master strike is just the obvious simplest thing to do but definetely there are better choices. I gave an example (tracking) and i am sure there are even better possible awards.  The point is to have the L&L quests, the reward is something to discuss about.

Radigazt
03-08-2007, 01:50 AM
<cite>Karellen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Radigazt wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No, Master Strikes in PvP would be a terrible idea.  Let's get away from the overpowered stuff already and stay with the stuff that really works.  No, we don't want L&L's for PvP because if any Master Strike at all were usable in PvP, it would be way to powerful.  Heck, the Miracles and Blessings--even after being nerfed very significantly--are still way overpowered.  SOE needs to remove Miracles and Blessings from the PvP encounter entirely ... and if that's too hard, disable them on PvP servers.  No, we don't want a Master Strike usable in PvP.  </p><p>If you want the backstory or immersion to it, how about PvP Writs, PvP Quests, and/or PvP Collections?  It could be a Writ to kill 50 Yellow Con foes.  A Quest to stop a Raid.  Or, collect ears from your foes for a PvP ear collection.  You could have them reward Status and/or Faction.  you'd still get the backstory, immersiveness, and goal, but without the nasty Master Strike unbalencing PvP.  </p></blockquote>As i said a master strike is just the obvious simplest thing to do but definetely there are better choices. I gave an example (tracking) and i am sure there are even better possible awards.  The point is to have the L&L quests, the reward is something to discuss about. </blockquote> Yeah, but you're ignoring the fact that SOE just finished a long and lengthy re-work of the L&L system to make it uniformly the reward for Master Strikes.  I just don't see them undoing that system anytime soon, and certainly not for PvP.  If what you want is a reward system, it could be done under the Writ, Quest, or Collection systems.  The L&L system is absolutely tied to the Master Strike system.  It might have worked before, but not with the new revamp.  Sorry, I don't dislike the concept, just the fact that you're tying it to the L&L system, and for me that's a complete deal-breaker.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />