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Rofled
03-05-2007, 12:35 PM
The following topic is in no way an attempt at "OH THE GUY THAT DID IT TO ME IS A LAMER BLAH BLAH BLAH" because to be quite honest if I had the ability I'd probably use it myself, BUT! I have had the random problem with Q's that run to the guards and just try to pick off squishy players from behind the confines of they're triple up heroic friends. This used to never be a problem, we'd either leave them alone or kill the guards and handle the players, the problem lies when a (usually gray) ranger, uses his new found AA skill called Hook Arrow and randoms you into a guard from out of no where. A group of us ran around Antonica on Sunday and ended up running into an X2 of Q's, whatever, we killed a handful and most began to run and dishonorably flee into North Qeynos, in turn I followed to get the few that were still low. We ended up attacking someone and then I got hook arrowed into a 55 ^^^ guard, as well as two other guild mates having the same happen to them by other rangers. <img src="http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/Exidence/hookshot.jpg" border="0"> Now like I said, this isn't really a oh he's lame for using it but don't you think SOE should have at least looked into the use of this skill a bit farther? Possibly having the ranger teleport to the target instead of vice versa? I feel that this is quite overused by most Q's as I know the Drag AA of Bruisers has the same premise and should also be rethought out.

SolomanShort
03-05-2007, 12:52 PM
<p>Dude, you ran into the enemies home town and, umm, in what way did you envisage yourself living??</p><p>Fact is, the ranger spent aa points in a skill that he used tactfully to get you killed.</p><p>Nuff said...</p><p>edit for typo.</p>

Rofled
03-05-2007, 01:02 PM
Yeah but what you don't understand is this happens everywhere, (not just in NQ), I've seen players run past Gnollslayer Keep in Antonica to go north for whatever reason just to be hook arrowed by a ranger as he ran past the bridge. Don't get me wrong, I deserved the death I got for being in town, that's all well and good, but the fact that if a group of rangers 6 rangers stands near three guards, they are pretty much getting 6 free kills if they all have the hook arrow ability. This takes any skill at all? You push one button and someone dies and you get infamy / status / faction for it. I just don't see that as balanced at all.

CresentBlade
03-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Dont fight near guards.

Wytie
03-05-2007, 01:46 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Dont fight near guards. <span style="color: #ff0066">or they will kill you so dont cry about it!</span></blockquote> fixed <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bozidar
03-05-2007, 02:38 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Dont fight near guards.</blockquote><p> or if you see qs hiding by guards, do a /shout for some high level guy to come drag em away, and watch the qs run.</p><p>honestly, it's sucky sucky sucky pvp to have to do this crap, but what can you do?  Not enough open-range kills IMO, too often i need to route the enemy from the skirts of the guards they're hiding under.</p><p>Get good at avoiding guard death, or avoid fighting at the guards.</p>

sprogn
03-05-2007, 02:38 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Yeah but what you don't understand is this happens everywhere, (not just in NQ), I've seen players run past Gnollslayer Keep in Antonica to go north for whatever reason just to be hook arrowed by a ranger as he ran past the bridge. Don't get me wrong, I deserved the death I got for being in town, that's all well and good, but the fact that if a group of rangers 6 rangers stands near three guards, they are pretty much getting 6 free kills if they all have the hook arrow ability. This takes any skill at all? You push one button and someone dies and you get infamy / status / faction for it. I just don't see that as balanced at all. </blockquote><p> Brawlers can devestation hit a Conj/Necro pet in one shot leaving them totally gimped.</p><p>Assassins can decap most classes down to half health</p><p>SK's can insta-kill at certain levels with enough int.</p><p>Brigands can stun lock many classes</p><p>Furies can heal, run at 100% in combat and nuke hard</p><p>Mystics can crit 100% while warding to block my damage</p><p>Monks can "teleport" right up to a player and start critting.</p><p>Warlocks can one shot green groups.</p><p> Oh noes, Rangers get hook arrow....</p><p>If it bothers you that much, stay away from the guards!  Sheesh, it's not like it has more than a standard 35m bow range now....  You know guards linger after being pulled right?  You are aware that a brawler can do exactly the same thing by taunting one and feigning right at your feet?  Are you also aware that ANY class can counter this tactic simply by tagging the guard and sprinting off leaving the Ranger unprotected when he reams you in.</p><p>Think outside the padded cell and stop crying nerf for crying out loud....</p>

AbyssalSoul
03-05-2007, 02:54 PM
<p>I agree, hook shot is pretty angering.  I think I've died multiple times to it chasing a Q running from me and their buddy hook-shotting me into a guard.  Really though, I'm just starting to expect it as part of PVP....since it seems like all Q's can do these days is run to a guard (at least on Vox Server).  You can almost always, even in the dead of night, find a whole group at North Qeynos Gates, behind the guards.  Hell, they even jump up and down or they'll try to run out just a little and run back in to lure you.  Pretty dumb to call that PVP if you ask me, so I just don't run by NQG anymore.  Careful in the Caves though, I've been pulled off the top floor to insta-death.</p><p> By the way, I've got a warlock, and tell me when I can one shot a group of greens?  I've never seen it happen... how about rephrase that to: "A warlock can be one shotted by a group of greens" lol</p>

Harbing
03-05-2007, 04:02 PM
<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Yeah but what you don't understand is this happens everywhere, (not just in NQ), I've seen players run past Gnollslayer Keep in Antonica to go north for whatever reason just to be hook arrowed by a ranger as he ran past the bridge. Don't get me wrong, I deserved the death I got for being in town, that's all well and good, but the fact that if a group of rangers 6 rangers stands near three guards, they are pretty much getting 6 free kills if they all have the hook arrow ability. This takes any skill at all? You push one button and someone dies and you get infamy / status / faction for it. I just don't see that as balanced at all. </blockquote><p> Brawlers can devestation hit a Conj/Necro pet in one shot leaving them totally gimped.</p><p><span style="color: #009900">Actually they can do this every 5 mins if the devastation hit isnt simply avoided by the pet (and thereby lost) and the brawler rly wanna trade the following 7 secs in-a-stifled state for the death of the pet (which i d rather fear away or simply ignore).</span> </p><p>Assassins can decap most classes down to half health</p><p>SK's can insta-kill at certain levels with enough int.</p><p>Brigands can stun lock many classes</p><p>Furies can heal, run at 100% in combat and nuke hard</p><p>Mystics can crit 100% while warding to block my damage</p><p>Monks can "teleport" right up to a player and start critting.</p><p><span style="color: #339900">its a Brawler AA ability and grants you only 1 crit hit after you teleported (max 30m) to your target</span> </p><p>Warlocks can one shot green groups.</p><p> Oh noes, Rangers get hook arrow....</p><p>If it bothers you that much, stay away from the guards!  Sheesh, it's not like it has more than a standard 35m bow range now....  You know guards linger after being pulled right?  You are aware that a brawler can do exactly the same thing by taunting one and feigning right at your feet?  Are you also aware that ANY class can counter this tactic simply by tagging the guard and sprinting off leaving the Ranger unprotected when he reams you in.</p><p> <span style="color: #339900">Now this puzzles me. What you mean by tagged ? Attacking the Guard in advance ? So you cant be pulled to him, then sprinting away in combat, using power, lending your back to a ranger (!) who can simply snare you and catch easily up with his superior run buffs ?<img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> sucks ... </span></p><p>Think outside the padded cell and stop crying nerf for crying out loud...</p></blockquote> And yes i actually too think this "pulling" ability goes a bit to far, especially for the Bruiser. He activates Close Mind" and is for 30 secs invincible to all control effects, drags some1 away in Mobs (now dont give me the "dont fight near Mobs / Guards / Zone line / Pads / Griffon Towers / Hills" argument) and FDs. You re practically done if you re not Brawler and can FD your way out there. Its one thing to have control effects like "fear" who lets (sometimes) some1 ran off into a completely random direction (and usually most seasoned pvp ers are smart enough to hit crouch while feared) or mezz which lets you remain at that location. But this new abilities let other Players control where you ll end in the gaming world (and its effects). A slight but powerful difference imho. Just my 2cents .. ohh and oh yeah, pls give Monks an upgrade for their lvl 50 fear. Caine Blades Darathar

Badaxe Ba
03-05-2007, 04:29 PM
level up so the guards are grey

xXBubblez
03-05-2007, 05:58 PM
<span style="color: #66ffff">i see nothing wrong with it. use your enviorment to your advantage.  if you don't like it don't fight near gaurds.  if no one comes near the gaurds for pvp then the rangers will eventually get bored and have to move away.  </span>

chrystolr
03-05-2007, 06:35 PM
You know in T7 I hardly see anyone with hook arrow...the only ranger whose used it against me (im also a ranger) I just poped up close to him and tore him a part in melee range. When your level locked and theres mobs that are higher level then you why not pull players into it. I guarantee you wont see that at lvl 70 haha.

xXBubblez
03-05-2007, 07:00 PM
<cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>You know in T7 I hardly see anyone with hook arrow...the only ranger whose used it against me (im also a ranger) I just poped up close to him and tore him a part in melee range. When your level locked and theres mobs that are higher level then you why not pull players into it. I guarantee you wont see that at lvl 70 haha. </blockquote> <span style="color: #66ffff">no most rangers in t7 do not have hook arrow</span>

chrystolr
03-05-2007, 07:03 PM
<cite>xXBubblezXx wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>You know in T7 I hardly see anyone with hook arrow...the only ranger whose used it against me (im also a ranger) I just poped up close to him and tore him a part in melee range. When your level locked and theres mobs that are higher level then you why not pull players into it. I guarantee you wont see that at lvl 70 haha. </blockquote> <span style="color: #66ffff">no most rangers in t7 do not have hook arrow</span></blockquote>Thats what I said, I guess I didn't come off as clear.

xXBubblez
03-05-2007, 07:15 PM
<cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>xXBubblezXx wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>You know in T7 I hardly see anyone with hook arrow...the only ranger whose used it against me (im also a ranger) I just poped up close to him and tore him a part in melee range. When your level locked and theres mobs that are higher level then you why not pull players into it. I guarantee you wont see that at lvl 70 haha. </blockquote> <span style="color: #66ffff">no most rangers in t7 do not have hook arrow</span></blockquote>Thats what I said, I guess I didn't come off as clear. </blockquote><span style="color: #66ffff">cyrstal, just confirming it </span>

Rofled
03-06-2007, 12:47 AM
I'm not [I cannot control my vocabulary] on here for a nerf or anything I'm just saying that it should be altered a bit, I perfectly understand the concept of the skill, I feel SOE has it in the game so that a ranger can use ranged attacks and then pull their target to them to use melee skills, not to pull another play to them to have a guard do all the work... Why not just have it so instead the ranger gets ported to the target? Is that not the exact same thing but yet nerfing the fact that they can abuse the guards? [email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Dont fight near guards.</blockquote> Umm hate to tell you it's not that easy when all the Q's are behind the guards... 0.o [email protected] wrote: <blockquote>level up so the guards are grey</blockquote> So T3 pvp is pointless now? I have a 70 and pvp is much more enjoyable in T3 on Vox due to there being more people to fight. I didn't intend for this to be a cry fest of me dying by a guard, that's not what I care about at all, it's just when it comes down to ANY ranger that has gotten Hook Arrow, regardless of level, can kill players within 20 levels of themselves... I'm really not trying to complain that I got killed by a guard, Yes I was in NQ, yes I deserved the death I got, I just wanted to voice my opinion on an AA skill I feel is more than slightly imbalanced and voice my own possible fix to the skill.

sprogn
03-06-2007, 04:36 AM
<p>And this is different from being feared over the edge of a cliff or into guards in the Crossroads by cowardly freeports how exactly?</p><p>Just go hunt elsewhere and stop the moaning.</p>

Rofled
03-06-2007, 05:08 AM
This is differnet because it's easily fixed? Yet again I'm not moaning or crying. Just saying it would avoid the people that moan and cry about it by just fixing it so the ranger ports to the target rather than ports the target to them.

Norrsken
03-06-2007, 05:39 AM
<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And this is different from being feared over the edge of a cliff or into guards in the Crossroads by cowardly freeports how exactly?</p><p>Just go hunt elsewhere and stop the moaning.</p></blockquote>Uhm because I pretty much never see freeporters in xr when on my Q/exiled, but constantly see Qs behind the NQ gates guards on my FP/Exiled?

CresentBlade
03-06-2007, 07:05 AM
<p>SIGH!</p><p>Thats it! I will do nothing but hook arrow everytime I see you now...over and over and over and over and over and......</p>

dr4gonUK
03-06-2007, 07:15 AM
I think i will respec my 70 ranger just to get hook arrow and break the trend.

sprogn
03-06-2007, 07:44 AM
<cite>Norrsken wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And this is different from being feared over the edge of a cliff or into guards in the Crossroads by cowardly freeports how exactly?</p><p>Just go hunt elsewhere and stop the moaning.</p></blockquote>Uhm because I pretty much never see freeporters in xr when on my Q/exiled, but constantly see Qs behind the NQ gates guards on my FP/Exiled? </blockquote><p> And on Naggy, I constantly see X-roads with FP hiding in the towers or standing on the guards.  Big deal.  Live with it.</p><p>All you are achieving here is giving people the desire to roll a ranger with hook and track you down!  It's an end line ability that costs a ton of AA which could be better spent elsewhere.  If people want to spend it like that and you can't handle it, perhaps you'd be better off on a non PVP server.</p><p> It's not like the server population is 100% L16 rangers with hook now is it?</p><p> Have you ever considered that Q might be hiding at the guards because they're fed up of twinks ganking them?  It's not like they're levelling, making money or getting AA by standing there so just go do something else....</p><p>This whole thing is just getting pathetic imo</p>

sprogn
03-06-2007, 07:46 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>This is differnet because it's easily fixed? Yet again I'm not moaning or crying. Just saying it would avoid the people that moan and cry about it by just fixing it so the ranger ports to the target rather than ports the target to them. </blockquote><p> You fix something that is broken.  Hook isn't broken, it's working as described and as intended.  If you are dumb enough to stand within 35m of a guard and expect to get kills that way then it's your own fault.</p><p>And for the record, I don't have a Ranger with hook, but I may well be respeccing today.... (jk)</p>

Rofled
03-06-2007, 09:17 AM
Well let's clear up a few things because I'm not talking about Nagafen. First off, there is a full group of 21 rangers (one level out of my groups range, likely done on purpose) of mostly rangers, all in which have Hook Arrow. Secondly, we can run around Antonica, Butcherblock, and Greater Faydark, and find all of 3 Q's, and then go back to Antonica to find 5 rangers sitting in the guards. We didn't chase them there, they wait for players to run by, to just get a free kill. Thirdly, they aren't new players, running around trying to level, quest, grind, or anything of the sort, they go out of their way to lock xp and stay at the level they're at. For the millionth time, I don't feel the skill is broken, I feel it is being abused as it is currently implemented. I feel there is a way to resolve this problem without even remotely nerfing the skill, or even change the way it is intended to be used. The skill is intended to swiftly switch from ranged to melee damage, to prevent getting rooted and time it takes to approach a target, as well as catching a fleeing target. NOW, the problem therein lies that players ABUSE it to only be used to bring a stationary or moving target to them and letting the guards do all the work. NEVER, not ONCE, has this skill been used on me in direct combat, anywhere other than near guards, causing me, or any of my group members to gain aggro by guards. I have no problems with the skill being used other than it being abused to draw aggro from guards. I'm not complaining, crying, or moaning, I'm trying to state I feel the skill is being OVERLY abused and can easily be altered to prevent such issues from occuring. Why do people insist on attacking someone verbally through these forums, saying things like "get off a pvp server" and things of that sort. I play EQ2 specifically for the PVP not the abusing or exploiting the system or geography of the game. Is it that hard to just agree that problem A is an issue, or even remotely imbalanced, and it wouldn't kill someone to have something fixed? I'm not even making a plee to SOE to fix this, because knowing the response rate of most development teams, this issue will likely not be resolved any time soon, nor will any of the major problems like the memory leak that still plagues the game, the inviting a player wihle initiated in a pvp encounter, the fact that a player can keep up an invite screen and still accept it post entering a pvp encounter. These are problems that have been raised and brought to the attention of players and developers alike, none of which have been fixed. Realistically, it took how long to fix the OOG healing abuse? I don't expect something as minor as the Hook Arrow AA to be fixed, I'm just bringing the abuse to the attention of the players. No reason to be rude to another person because you have to be an elitist. It's called being nice, some people do it.

Rofled
03-06-2007, 09:19 AM
<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>This is differnet because it's easily fixed? Yet again I'm not moaning or crying. Just saying it would avoid the people that moan and cry about it by just fixing it so the ranger ports to the target rather than ports the target to them. </blockquote><p> You fix something that is broken.  Hook isn't broken, it's working as described and as intended.  If you are dumb enough to stand within 35m of a guard and expect to get kills that way then it's your own fault.</p><p>And for the record, I don't have a Ranger with hook, but I may well be respeccing today.... (jk)</p></blockquote>Oh and BY THE WAY, if you knew how to read a post, I said I fully and entirely deserved the death I got, it was my fault I was in NQ, and if it were myself in the rangers position I would have done the same thing. So if you're going to insult someone then atleast don't be ignorant at the same time.

sprogn
03-06-2007, 09:34 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Well let's clear up a few things because I'm not talking about Nagafen. First off, there is a full group of 21 rangers (one level out of my groups range, likely done on purpose) of mostly rangers, all in which have Hook Arrow. Secondly, we can run around Antonica, Butcherblock, and Greater Faydark, and find all of 3 Q's, and then go back to Antonica to find 5 rangers sitting in the guards. We didn't chase them there, they wait for players to run by, to just get a free kill. Thirdly, they aren't new players, running around trying to level, quest, grind, or anything of the sort, they go out of their way to lock xp and stay at the level they're at. For the millionth time, I don't feel the skill is broken, I feel it is being abused as it is currently implemented. I feel there is a way to resolve this problem without even remotely nerfing the skill, or even change the way it is intended to be used. The skill is intended to swiftly switch from ranged to melee damage, to prevent getting rooted and time it takes to approach a target, as well as catching a fleeing target. NOW, the problem therein lies that players ABUSE it to only be used to bring a stationary or moving target to them and letting the guards do all the work. NEVER, not ONCE, has this skill been used on me in direct combat, anywhere other than near guards, causing me, or any of my group members to gain aggro by guards. I have no problems with the skill being used other than it being abused to draw aggro from guards. I'm not complaining, crying, or moaning, I'm trying to state I feel the skill is being OVERLY abused and can easily be altered to prevent such issues from occuring. Why do people insist on attacking someone verbally through these forums, saying things like "get off a pvp server" and things of that sort. I play EQ2 specifically for the PVP not the abusing or exploiting the system or geography of the game. Is it that hard to just agree that problem A is an issue, or even remotely imbalanced, and it wouldn't kill someone to have something fixed? I'm not even making a plee to SOE to fix this, because knowing the response rate of most development teams, this issue will likely not be resolved any time soon, nor will any of the major problems like the memory leak that still plagues the game, the inviting a player wihle initiated in a pvp encounter, the fact that a player can keep up an invite screen and still accept it post entering a pvp encounter. These are problems that have been raised and brought to the attention of players and developers alike, none of which have been fixed. Realistically, it took how long to fix the OOG healing abuse? I don't expect something as minor as the Hook Arrow AA to be fixed, I'm just bringing the abuse to the attention of the players. No reason to be rude to another person because you have to be an elitist. It's called being nice, some people do it. </blockquote><p>So what's fair about a FP Wizzy/Fury standing next to a guard and nuking the crap out of a melee class?  Happens all the time on Naggy.  Hey, tell ya what!  Let's remove all ranged CA's and spells and make all fighting only possible in a 5m radius.  While we're at it, lets remove runspeed as thats unfair - oh, and give everyone evac in PVP and remove tracking completely.  And everyone should get bruiser avoidance and plate mitigation while we're at it as otherwise that would be unbalanced too.</p><p>In a PVE/PVP fight, hook allows a ranger to snatch a target (squishie) or if a PVE fight, a named out of a rooted encounter and beat the crap out of it safely.  It's gonna be real intelligent for the warlock to drop a group root and the ranger to hook himself into the middle of that root now isn't it?</p><p>Whatever rules are there, people will find some way to use them to their advantage.  Try announcing on a channel that these rangers are guard hugging.  If I was on with my higher levels I'd come smack the guards down for you.  Or as I have said before, stay away from them.  You don't HAVE to kill those particular players you know.  You don't even HAVE to be near the guards at all...</p>

dr4gonUK
03-06-2007, 09:44 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote> I'm not complaining, crying, or moaning, I'm trying to state I feel the skill is being OVERLY abused and can easily be altered to prevent such issues from occuring. </blockquote> Contradiction <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 10:56 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>SIGH!</p><p>Thats it! I will do nothing but hook arrow everytime I see you now...over and over and over and over and over and......</p></blockquote><p> lol, some stupid lvl 20 ranger tried this on my druid last night.  thought that in the confusion i wouldn't be able to figure out who he was.  But i did.. and i took his little guard-hugging fame, LOL</p><p>Good times.. good times</p>

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 10:58 AM
<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Have you ever considered that Q might be hiding at the guards because they're fed up of twinks ganking them?  It's not like they're levelling, making money or getting AA by standing there so just go do something else....</p></blockquote> Not when it's the same titled qs, day in and day out, hiding in the same places.  These aren't poor little rangers trying to level (awww.. poor rangers)  Poor little lvl 14 rangers don't have 24 AA points for hook shot.

CresentBlade
03-06-2007, 10:59 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>SIGH!</p><p>Thats it! I will do nothing but hook arrow everytime I see you now...over and over and over and over and over and......</p></blockquote><p> lol, some stupid lvl 20 ranger tried this on my druid last night.  thought that in the confusion i wouldn't be able to figure out who he was.  But i did.. and i took his little guard-hugging fame, LOL</p><p>Good times.. good times</p></blockquote>I dont see how thats possible this skill is so overpowered that you should of died as soon as it was used against you. I am calling your bluff on this, heres no way you could beat a ranger using this skill its impossible..........<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 11:01 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote> I feel there is a way to resolve this problem without even remotely nerfing the skill, or even change the way it is intended to be used. The skill is intended to swiftly switch from ranged to melee damage, to prevent getting rooted and time it takes to approach a target, as well as catching a fleeing target. </blockquote><p>problem with your solution is that rangers could use it to warp around and avoid content in the game.  Oh, i'm being chased, let me run to this un-jumpable chasm and hook-shot a grey mob on the other side to get across.</p><p>Nah, it's fine the way it is.  Let em abuse it, they'll still die like [Removed for Content] if you know how to turn over their turtle shells.</p>

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 11:03 AM
<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So what's fair about a FP Wizzy/Fury standing next to a guard and nuking the crap out of a melee class?  Happens all the time on Naggy</p></blockquote><p> Not even close to the same thing.  A toon being attacked by a toon under a guard skirt can just take a step back.  Oh, i'm outta range now, eff-you, come get me.. </p><p>Hook-shot immediately puts you into melee with a ^^^ heroic guard.</p><p>It's not the same thing</p>

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 11:05 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>I dont see how thats possible this skill is so overpowered that you should of died as soon as it was used against you. I am calling your bluff on this, heres no way you could beat a ranger using this skill its impossible..........<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> lol, i'm a lvl 38 warden, i resisted his crap.  My SK would have been dead and my brigand would have had to evac.</p><p>this guy was just dumb to try to use that attack, if for no other reason than the guards he was standing next to were just barely green to me, and i could have beat him down even with them attacking me.</p>

Eluzay
03-06-2007, 11:19 AM
<cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>You know in T7 I hardly see anyone with hook arrow...the only ranger whose used it against me (im also a ranger) I just poped up close to him and tore him a part in melee range. When your level locked and theres mobs that are higher level then you why not pull players into it. I guarantee you wont see that at lvl 70 haha. </blockquote>a few do, they play the mountain song game... run up mountain, hook arrow you up, kick you down not a lot, but a few do this.

Rofled
03-06-2007, 12:17 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><p>SIGH!</p><p>Thats it! I will do nothing but hook arrow everytime I see you now...over and over and over and over and over and......</p></blockquote><p> lol, some stupid lvl 20 ranger tried this on my druid last night.  thought that in the confusion i wouldn't be able to figure out who he was.  But i did.. and i took his little guard-hugging fame, LOL</p><p>Good times.. good times</p></blockquote>Ironically that's how I got Dreadnaught.. 0.o Lol... Just as a side note, because I know there will be incomming flames for me saying that, I'm not saying anything because players are using it on ME because if I die by a guard, it's in NQ, I can't take a hit from a 55 <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The guards outside NQG can't kill me, reguardless, I'm saying it's unfair for them to use it on players that can't, squishier classes, untwinked players, newer players to the game and what not.

xXBubblez
03-06-2007, 12:29 PM
<span style="color: #66ffff">on the old forums a dev posted something about looking into changing the way gaurds work.  Not sure what or how its going to affect game play but it might be an answere to your problem.  I still think you should just not fight near the gaurds to begin with.  And then you say o0o its not that easy i went everywhere looking and they sit right there... well if enough of you DON"T go near the gaurds for a while, they will eventually get bored and venture away from them.  You said its a grp of 5 rangers doing this, i would hope i can safely say theres more than those 5 rangers to fight in the game so move on stay away from them and don't fight them.  Theres nothing wrong with the way the ability works, your just recieving the blunt end of it and are upset because you can't figure a way around it yet.</span>

Rofled
03-06-2007, 12:50 PM
Finally, someone that says something without being rude, I appreciate it Bubble. Normally, I wouldn't worry about 5 rangers, I don't even make it a point to follow them around, they are outside of my bracket anyway, makes it quite pointless to follow some grays around, it's just if I'm chasing someone, and they run behind the guards, I attempt to get a shot or two off before they get out of range, randomly I'm in the face of a guard, losing any chance I had of killing my intended target. Vox's issue is the fact that we have a very low population of T3 pvpers, it's narrowed itself down to close to 5:1 FP to Q on an average, fights are very few and far between, and when they happen usually aren't more than a gank of a lowbie or three guys trying to level, so the fact that some rangers are ruining the little pvp we can get our hands on... Meh, just gets a bit frustrating.

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 01:18 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Finally, someone that says something without being rude, I appreciate it Bubble. Normally, I wouldn't worry about 5 rangers, I don't even make it a point to follow them around, they are outside of my bracket anyway, makes it quite pointless to follow some grays around, it's just if I'm chasing someone, and they run behind the guards, I attempt to get a shot or two off before they get out of range, randomly I'm in the face of a guard, losing any chance I had of killing my intended target. Vox's issue is the fact that we have a very low population of T3 pvpers, it's narrowed itself down to close to 5:1 FP to Q on an average, fights are very few and far between, and when they happen usually aren't more than a gank of a lowbie or three guys trying to level, so the fact that some rangers are ruining the little pvp we can get our hands on... Meh, just gets a bit frustrating. </blockquote> the bot groups are back in TS -- make use of them my friend <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  When you get your faction ready, lvl to the 30's..

Rofled
03-06-2007, 01:20 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Finally, someone that says something without being rude, I appreciate it Bubble. Normally, I wouldn't worry about 5 rangers, I don't even make it a point to follow them around, they are outside of my bracket anyway, makes it quite pointless to follow some grays around, it's just if I'm chasing someone, and they run behind the guards, I attempt to get a shot or two off before they get out of range, randomly I'm in the face of a guard, losing any chance I had of killing my intended target. Vox's issue is the fact that we have a very low population of T3 pvpers, it's narrowed itself down to close to 5:1 FP to Q on an average, fights are very few and far between, and when they happen usually aren't more than a gank of a lowbie or three guys trying to level, so the fact that some rangers are ruining the little pvp we can get our hands on... Meh, just gets a bit frustrating. </blockquote> the bot groups are back in TS -- make use of them my friend <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  When you get your faction ready, lvl to the 30's.. </blockquote>I've been trying to convince some guildies to level out to 36, they are quite reluctant. I am going to end up leveling my brig from T2 to T4 soon, also I'm making a chanter on another account for raiding me thinks.

PeaSy1
03-06-2007, 01:43 PM
Well well Revenge is giving tier 3 pvp for Qeynos say what you will about raiding but we dont stand behind the guards like all the other q's on this server only if we are we are waiting for the rest of our crew to meet up. Dissapointed to say that Raike and his x2 rolled us pretty bad but thats ok we got them first =) Like 4 people in our x2 truely know how to pvp and the others are learning =) I still cant believe they attacked you in nq rofled. Still [Removed for Content] about that.

Sarkothan
03-06-2007, 02:30 PM
<p>Suppose you have a gf (i know, just try) and she tries to tell you something like:</p><p>"Hey stud (she's just trying to get your attention), whenever i try to voice an oppinion you accuse me of crying and whining and tell me to get over it. I feel not heard at all, are you even listening to what i'm saying here? Something like mutual respect and envisioning what I am saying. All i need is some empathy and objectivity to make things maybe better."</p><p> You're just going to reply with:</p><p>"Cry, Cry! Get over it honey!"</p><p><img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> edit: you know who you are, didnt see the last 4 posts when i wrote this.</p>

Bozidar
03-06-2007, 02:45 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Well well Revenge is giving tier 3 pvp for Qeynos say what you will about raiding but we dont stand behind the guards like all the other q's on this server only if we are we are waiting for the rest of our crew to meet up. Dissapointed to say that Raike and his x2 rolled us pretty bad but thats ok we got them first =) Like 4 people in our x2 truely know how to pvp and the others are learning =) I still cant believe they attacked you in nq rofled. Still [Removed for Content] about that. </blockquote><p>You didn't get us in your X2 when i was there, maybe it was some other pirate?  We saw you coming, evac'd, and joined up with another group and stomped you guys pretty hard <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Raike has 2 pvp deaths in the last couple of weeks.. both were within 3 minutes, when i jumped a group of six lvl 27 bots and died both times. </p>

Rofled
03-06-2007, 02:45 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Well well Revenge is giving tier 3 pvp for Qeynos say what you will about raiding but we dont stand behind the guards like all the other q's on this server only if we are we are waiting for the rest of our crew to meet up. Dissapointed to say that Raike and his x2 rolled us pretty bad but thats ok we got them first =) Like 4 people in our x2 truely know how to pvp and the others are learning =) I still cant believe they attacked you in nq rofled. Still [Removed for Content] about that. </blockquote>I will admit you have been the only active Q's running semi-coordinated. Clear is an amazing Illusionist at his level and knows how to play his class. I am slightly against raiding, just feel when it gets to a point it's just "target through me" and people die lol. I knew they'd attack, why not? Free kill! I figured hey, they attack me, I AOE em on my Wizzy. It worked out quite well.

Rofled
03-06-2007, 02:46 PM
<cite>Sarkothan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Suppose you have a gf (i know, just try) and she tries to tell you something like:</p><p>"Hey stud (she's just trying to get your attention), whenever i try to voice an oppinion you accuse me of crying and whining and tell me to get over it. I feel not heard at all, are you even listening to what i'm saying here? Something like mutual respect and envisioning what I am saying. All i need is some empathy and objectivity to make things maybe better."</p><p> You're just going to reply with:</p><p>"Cry, Cry! Get over it honey!"</p><p><img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> edit: you know who you are, didnt see the last 4 posts when i wrote this.</p></blockquote>Not quite sure if you're on my side or not... Thanks if you are and eat me if you're not. ^.^

PeaSy1
03-06-2007, 06:37 PM
Well that other group you joined with had just got thrown back to there rez point. Even though we are a x2 we were only 8 people and 1 was still otw cause hed flew wrong way. I wouldnt have many deaths either if i hid behind a group or ran around sh fight q's that are engaged with ^^^ I [Removed for Content] your [Removed for Content] up in sh and you ran like a lil girl to zone line. Only reason i didnt catch you was cause one of those zombies rooted me in the main hall.

CresentBlade
03-06-2007, 06:47 PM
<cite>Sarkothan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Suppose you have a gf (i know, just try) and she tries to tell you something like:</p><p>"Hey stud (she's just trying to get your attention), whenever i try to voice an oppinion you accuse me of crying and whining and tell me to get over it. I feel not heard at all, are you even listening to what i'm saying here? Something like mutual respect and envisioning what I am saying. All i need is some empathy and objectivity to make things maybe better."</p><p> You're just going to reply with:</p><p>"Cry, Cry! Get over it honey!"</p><p><img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> edit: you know who you are, didnt see the last 4 posts when i wrote this.</p></blockquote><p>Why waste the time speaking to her, smack her and send her to the kitchen......</p><p>(Kidding but great for shock factor) <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

Cocytus
03-07-2007, 11:29 PM
<p>I agree with the lizard.</p><p>Guards count as environment, as do all NPC's. Use em to your advantage.</p><p>Bruisers have a similar skill anyway. no room to complain imo.</p><p>While rangers can do it from a range...once you're on top of them, they're putty. Bruisers, cannot do it from a range, but eat you while they drag you.</p>

oppressed
03-08-2007, 12:08 AM
Not a lover of this skill myself.. Have been doing stuff at caves lately killing Qeynosians and each time I went there was a Ranger.. not going to say his name but he would stand behind the 25 guard waiting and would hook shot till you got right next to the guard. That itself is kinda understandable but when thats all he does.... comeone now. I figured once that day wasn't that bad... but a day later he's doing it again and the sad part is if anyone knows where he is at he uses bell and then head's back using stealth just waiting... Anyone hits him once he runs. Whats funny though is he's a dreadnaught now Getting that high of a title for that is seriously messed up. Yes i realise thats not all of what he did but comeone i go to the same place for a few days and he is always there doing the same thing? Odd..

TheLopper
03-08-2007, 12:14 AM
hehe, he used hook arrow to pull you into guards, nothing wrong with using your environment!

Cocytus
03-08-2007, 03:50 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Not a lover of this skill myself.. Have been doing stuff at caves lately killing Qeynosians and each time I went there was a Ranger.. not going to say his name but he would stand behind the 25 guard waiting and would hook shot till you got right next to the guard. That itself is kinda understandable but when thats all he does.... comeone now. I figured once that day wasn't that bad... but a day later he's doing it again and the sad part is if anyone knows where he is at he uses bell and then head's back using stealth just waiting... Anyone hits him once he runs. Whats funny though is he's a dreadnaught now Getting that high of a title for that is seriously messed up. Yes i realise thats not all of what he did but comeone i go to the same place for a few days and he is always there doing the same thing? Odd..</blockquote><p> This was adressed.</p><p><b>Don't fight near guards<u><span style="font-size: large">.</span></u></b></p>

jam3
03-09-2007, 06:25 PM
your a big noob you got hook arrowed into a guard dont be stupid this hardly anything compared to bruisers dragging people off the islands in kingdom of sky

XeroXs84
03-10-2007, 11:07 AM
bruisers get a similar spell btw, and its even more fun with them cos they drag u into any mobs and then just feign death so the "stay away from guards" thing might work good against rangers, but staying away from any mobs when u fight a bruiser is tough

Adjorr
03-10-2007, 03:30 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Not a lover of this skill myself.. Have been doing stuff at caves lately killing Qeynosians and each time I went there was a Ranger.. not going to say his name but he would stand behind the 25 guard waiting and would hook shot till you got right next to the guard. That itself is kinda understandable but when thats all he does.... comeone now. I figured once that day wasn't that bad... but a day later he's doing it again and the sad part is if anyone knows where he is at he uses bell and then head's back using stealth just waiting... Anyone hits him once he runs. Whats funny though is he's a dreadnaught now Getting that high of a title for that is seriously messed up. Yes i realise thats not all of what he did but comeone i go to the same place for a few days and he is always there doing the same thing? Odd..</blockquote><p> Good not enoyugh defence in the caves anyways, and what are u doign in the caves to begin with? being cheap picking on lowbies who are trying to level, im glad he hook shotted u into a guard! someone has to defend the newbs quenocians are outnumber 5:1 in t2 and t3 pvp, especially in t3 pvp. You may see quenocians hiding behidn guards but thats because were out numbered, what do u want us to do? walk out there so your group of 6 champions in pvp gear with 3 healers can gank us relentlessly? No were gonna defend our city and our lives by any means neccisary!!!! Btw i dont have hookshot on my ranger i have point blank shot and a 1 second cast time triple shot, but my understanding of the concept is that its an arrow with a hook on it, tied to a rope that the ranger pulls u back to him with, seems fair enough to me that he can pull u into the guards, thats what the guards are there for to defend us.</p><p>But on the point of grey's using it to pull in higher level characters that was also in this thread, big freaking deal! do you know how many times my higher level characters have been pulled down by mobs of grey freeporters! Only way to fix this would be to have the level range work both ways, if u cant attack them they cant attack you either, or fix it so that u actualyl have higher chances of resisting and avoiding grey pvpers than u do right now, because in pvp just because they are grey dosent mean that they are below your abilities at all, with masters u can land serious hits on people significantly higher level than you, (my conjorer when he was 38 could take half the health off a level 50 assasin in about 15 seconds, however when the assasin turned aroudn i was a goner, but if i hadda had a healer with me... who knows....) Fix the fact that greys can still hit u and for a lot and quite often, and u would eliminate a lot of problems liek being hookshoted into guards by someone 20 levels below you, and getting ganged by a level 29 raid group on your way to everfrost</p>

Roald
03-11-2007, 07:59 AM
<p>Wow im making another ranger!</p><p>On a side note, If u realize that the pop is 5:1, why don't some of the fpers reroll of qeynos side and stop living the easy life. Most people don't hide behind guards constantly waiting for a raid, it's because they don't want to face a full grp of twinks in full masters/pvpgear solo.</p>

Norrsken
03-11-2007, 08:33 AM
<cite>Roald wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wow im making another ranger!</p><p>On a side note, If u realize that the pop is 5:1, why don't some of the fpers reroll of qeynos side and stop living the easy life. Most people don't hide behind guards constantly waiting for a raid, it's because they don't want to face a full grp of twinks in full masters/pvpgear solo.</p></blockquote>I do realize you just pulled that ratio out of your [I cannot control my vocabulary], but could you at least have <i>tried</i> to get a bit less [I cannot control my vocabulary]?

Stew2782
03-12-2007, 08:03 AM
Any ability that lets players benefit from kills they didn't earn is lame IMHO. That includes kicking people off of clifs or dragging into mobs, as well as hook arrow. There are already too many reasons in this game for people NOT to stand and fight, we really don't need more. A simple answer is to change the reward system a touch... you (or your group) have to do the majority of the damage to a person to get the status/faction etc from the kill. This wouldn't stop the skill being used if you really want to take a person out (and again I'm not just talking about hook arrow), it just means that you don't benefit from a kill you didn't earn.

Bozidar
03-12-2007, 10:04 AM
<cite>Roald wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wow im making another ranger!</p><p>On a side note, If u realize that the pop is 5:1, why don't some of the fpers reroll of qeynos side and stop living the easy life. Most people don't hide behind guards constantly waiting for a raid, it's because they don't want to face a full grp of twinks in full masters/pvpgear solo.</p></blockquote><p> shoulda been out in ant last night, Laurie.  Hot and crew brought it pretty good with almost 2 full groups including a few ungrouped oranges.  Newfie lost dread, got it back, kant made dread.  Dark is a step closer to slayer <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Was a good time had by all, and you might be one of the 2 regulars we fight that weren't there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>T3 is hopping on vox.. </p><p>And yeah, even when there were even numbers (4 of us, and i think another freep full group, don't know them or what level they were) they all stood behind the keep guards for a good long while.  made me laugh a bit.  </p><p>No hook arrows though.. </p>

Bozidar
03-13-2007, 11:05 AM
<p>anyone know what resists this goes against?  Got killed by a grey 9 levels lower than me last night because of this [Removed for Content], and i'd like to max out my resist against it.</p><p>I fight near the guards because none of the panzies i play against will come fight my group.  So, i need to be prepared.</p><p>Anyone know?</p>