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Prancibald
03-03-2007, 03:32 PM
With the recent success of EoF, and rumors flying about Kunark, it's aparrent that there is value in reintroducing some nostalgic content to the world of EQ2. The question is, how much? What does everyone think? What would you rather see in upcoming expansions? Primarily reintroducing nostalgic content Primarily introducing new content A bit of nostalgia, mostly new A bit of new, mostly nostalgia Even mix Rainbow Ponies

ravenscale
03-03-2007, 03:37 PM
<cite>Prancibald wrote:</cite><blockquote>With the recent success of EoF, and rumors flying about Kunark, it's aparrent that there is value in reintroducing some nostalgic content to the world of EQ2. The question is, how much? What does everyone think? What would you rather see in upcoming expansions? Primarily reintroducing nostalgic content Primarily introducing new content A bit of nostalgia, mostly new A bit of new, mostly nostalgia Even mix Rainbow Ponies </blockquote> hope its an even mix myself

Mareth
03-03-2007, 03:50 PM
RAINBOW PONIES!!!111!!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Confuzzeled
03-03-2007, 04:00 PM
<p><span style="color: #ff33ff">Rainbow Ponies!<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />..I mean who doesn't want a love able rainbow which you can sit and ride around on, while you hear it happily neigh... * looks around suspisciously * .. I'm not crazy! lol <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #33ff33">But really, I think that an even mix would be great, because if it were all Nostalgic, wouldn't we just be playing EQ1 with updated graphics. So an even mix would be good <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p>

Ama
03-03-2007, 04:08 PM
<cite>Prancibald wrote:</cite><blockquote>With the recent success of EoF, and rumors flying about Kunark, it's aparrent that there is value in reintroducing some nostalgic content to the world of EQ2. The question is, how much? What does everyone think? What would you rather see in upcoming expansions? Primarily reintroducing nostalgic content Primarily introducing new content A bit of nostalgia, mostly new A bit of new, mostly nostalgia Even mix Rainbow Ponies </blockquote><p> I would have to say a mix of the two is the most important, however you will see a bit of new content more than reintroduction.  The best thing they (the devs) have done is redone each and every zone instead of just copying/pasting the zones into the game.  Each zone has a feel or vibe to it where you know "The Shattering" as happened to it in a different way.  </p><p>So far Kelething looks almost intact, however the Overrealm looks like it got the *bleep* beat out of it with the ugly stick.  </p><p>As for Rainbow Ponies those should only be introduced if I get to slaughter a few hundred. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> *Raises Gnilla's Sword of Slaughter* Death to the ponies!!!! </p>

Pins
03-03-2007, 04:45 PM
Doesn't matter as long as it's more content.

Ji
03-03-2007, 04:58 PM
<p>Nostalgic - It's Everquest, keep it Everquest!! A new spin on an old zone like Unrest was most welcome but please keep with the history of the game we fell in love with 8 years ago.</p><p>Dont fix whats not broke <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Looker1010
03-03-2007, 07:08 PM
<p>I expect to be castigated for the following views but they are mine and I'm as much entitled to them as anyone is to theirs.</p><p>I never played the original EQ and this, those who did will tell me, is my problem. I see it as their problem but oh well. I came to EQII from 5 years in UO. When I hear the sobbing and complaining that EQII is not EQI redux it makes me crazy. No, it's not a clone, joined at the hip copy of EQI nor should it be. This is Norrath FIVE HUNDRED years later. Those who cling to desires for EQI should have stayed in EQI. </p><p>To expect that nothing has changed - except that the graphics got better - in that time is totally unrealistic. Revel in the now and please, oh please stop asking for the past.</p><p>A little nostalgia? Sure. A lot? No. </p>

TaleraRis
03-04-2007, 05:50 AM
I'm for a lot of nostalgia, but realistic nostalgia. I like seeing familiar places but I like seeing how they've changed with all the events that have happened since I saw them last in EQ Live. For instance, take Crushbone. Crushbone in EQ Live is run by Emperor Crush and D'Vinn is important there. Now 500 years later, he's managed to make himself Emperor and calls the shots there and hints that it was ever different are aggressively beaten down. I love that bit of lore.

Chaot
03-04-2007, 06:42 AM
I would call Nostalgia a copy of old made new(IE updated graphics etc) which i do not want. However I think why people like me are excited and want a Kunark expansion is to see what will the present state of Kunark be after 500 years? It only makes sense to enclude Kunark, its part of Norath and Everquest is about Norath. Kunark is still there we are just not able to go there yet(untill SOE lets us). Old Iksars like me would like to go back to the homeland and see what the hell happened and how things changed A Kunark expansion would in fact be new content and not Nostalgia.

Cusashorn
03-04-2007, 12:42 PM
I only want to see new content when they've run out of ideas for nostalgic content.

Dragowulf
03-04-2007, 01:30 PM
<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I only want to see new content when they've run out of ideas for nostalgic content.</blockquote> lol...although something new inbetween that seems to be alright. I know for a fact they're not going to do a GoD exp.

WeatherMan
03-04-2007, 09:11 PM
<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I only want to see new content when they've run out of ideas for nostalgic content.</blockquote>I have to agree with this.  After all, 'nostalgic' does <i>not</i> mean the exact same thing transported and unceremoniously dropped onto present-day Norrath from 500 years in the past.  Faydwer is familiar to the EQ1 veterans, yes - but there have been a <i>lot </i>of changes.  Only one of the 'friendly' cities from Faydwer of yesteryear is still 'friendly' - two of the others have been overrun by hostile forces (and only one of which has the original inhabitants planning to take it back), while the third has turned inward, becoming insular, isolationist, and decidedly <i>not</i> friendly - even to those who were born there centuries ago (i.e. several of the Koada'Dal NPC's as well as any player High Elves with Felwithe in their background). Meaning what?  Hints throughout Norrath exist of what has become of some of the other lands, namely Kunark and Odus (both of which I would dearly love to see, especially since, for some reason, I cannot get my 'upgraded' system to run EQ1 - every other MMO, even Vanguard, no problem, but not EQ1 - yes, I'm baffled).  Not to mention Velious and maybe...<i>maybe</i>...some remnant of Luclin (although the latter, I very much doubt will appear again). I very much doubt that any of the other cities in Odus or Kunark will be as recognizable as Kelethin (well, Old Kelethin, anyways) - 500 years is a long time.  The shorelines may not have changed all that much, all things considered (what happened to Antonica is hardly typical), but I am willing to bet that enough will be changed to offer fresh and new content for everyone.  So you can have 'new' and 'nostalgic' content offered at the exact same time. This is what I would like to see.

Waung
03-04-2007, 11:58 PM
doesn't matter to me as long as it's enjoyable with not too many timesinks.  the only way i would allow rainbow ponies is if they screamed in a very high pitch voice "help me, help me, oh the pain, it hurts it hurts" while i slaughter them, and the explode in a fit of blood upon dying.  christ that would make for a place i would slaughter for hours each day with volume turned all the way up!

Oosu
03-05-2007, 05:32 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>doesn't matter to me as long as it's enjoyable with not too many timesinks.  the only way i would allow rainbow ponies is if they screamed in a very high pitch voice "help me, help me, oh the pain, it hurts it hurts" while i slaughter them, and the explode in a fit of blood upon dying.  christ that would make for a place i would slaughter for hours each day with volume turned all the way up!</blockquote> Little evil are we? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

atjtennis
03-05-2007, 05:45 PM
I'd like to see a combo of both. I want to see some completely new areas that have never been seen before and came about because of the shattering, but I also like see some of the old content but changed to fit into this time line.

initoci
03-05-2007, 07:17 PM
If the expansion is RoK2.0 then we will see alot of nastolgic features but we will have no choice but to see the new continent that it has become because it has been damaged by the Moon of Luclin (The question is how bad).

Mican
03-07-2007, 10:28 PM
<p>Well, I, for one, love the nostalgia.  It's certainly not "old" or "re-hashed" content.  This is a different game with different mechanics.  I love seeing how familiar places have changed in the last 500 years and how the lore has grown and developed.  I personally don't care about any of the later expansions in EQ1 but we really need to see how the "classic" Norrath has developed.</p><p> Once we've seen Kunark and Odus I'd certainly be ready for a new direction like the Underfoot.</p>

Lornick
03-08-2007, 01:06 AM
Here's my feeling on the subject.  I like the nostalgic stuff.  But the way they reintroduce stuff from EQ1 it is basically new content too.  Like if you pulled out some old EQ1 maps for zones like Greater Faydark, Steamfont, and Butcherblock mountains they would be absolutely worthless to explore the same named zones in EQ2.  BB mtns has some mountain terrain and similar mobs as EQ1 in some areas but thats about where the similarities end.  They really are different zones in all the ways that count.  And that's how it is with all the zones imho.  Solusek in EQ2 is about a billion times cooler then the solusek in EQ1 imho.  It's a 'volcanoish' zone and that's where the similarities end.  Every now and then a npc or ghost of an npc comes along from EQ1 or an item is named after EQ1, but for all intents and purposes EQ2 is all new content compared to EQ1.  So keep the nostalgic stuff coming!

Losstarot
03-09-2007, 02:23 AM
<p>For me, what keeps bringing me back to EverQuest 2 is the Nostalgic content in the game.  Sure I enjoy seeing new content because for me, it helps add to an already existing world that I love.  But when I play through an area that I adventured in during my many years playing EverQuest 1, it brings back those memories that I hold so dear.  Memories of past friendships, memories of success's and failures, all while at the same time giving me new memories to hold onto and take with me.  What excites me the most about EverQuest 2 is seeing nostalgic content  that has been given a face lift, like Freeport or Qeynos for example.  The first time I stepped into these cities I was absolutely thrilled at seeing something new, but yet at the same time, seeing something old.  Thinking to myself what it was like to run through these cities in EverQuest 1 and here I am now 500 years later running down the same streets that my original EverQuest characters ran through.  Perhaps I am to much of a romantic, remembering such fond memories, but I don't think so.  I think it has more to do with enjoying what once was old, but is new again.</p>

forr
03-11-2007, 12:00 AM
long live sebilis.  Keep it half and half  of new and nostaligic until the GoD expansion then start going in a new direction.

5ringsblo
03-12-2007, 04:09 PM
I would just like to see the last expansion actually finished. Still waiting on the new epic line to give me something to do.

Scorched
03-14-2007, 07:21 PM
I think it should go Kunark and then Velious, too. The old zones re-done from events since then and an updated graphic engine make it "new" enough for me. All for nostalgia!!

Illmarr
03-14-2007, 09:23 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>doesn't matter to me as long as it's enjoyable with not too many timesinks.  the only way i would allow rainbow ponies is if they screamed in a very high pitch voice "help me, help me, oh the pain, it hurts it hurts" while i slaughter them, and the explode in a fit of blood upon dying.  christ that would make for a place i would slaughter for hours each day with volume turned all the way up!</blockquote>And no Ogre Beastlords! How ya doin' Bro?

Valuric
03-16-2007, 10:45 AM
<p>Scorched wrote: </p><hr />I think it should go Kunark and then Velious, too. <hr /><p>I so hope there will be no Velious. Not saying the content woulden't be cool, but there is only so much you can take of seeing the same zone rearranged over and over. It would be a gigantic Everfrost zone split 7 - 8 times. Just like in EQ1 where Velious in the outside zones were the same zone just split up like a city, you can only do so much with 2 textures of snow and Ice.</p><p>But certainly hope Kunark gets "Found", sounds fun.</p>

Skua
03-16-2007, 10:49 AM
nostalgic =P u dont need to think about it just "remake it" =P so comes faster <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but new content is always nice oh and Rainbow ponies > all (at least as mobs to kill!)

Allisia
03-16-2007, 11:08 AM
<cite>Valuric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I so hope there will be no Velious. Not saying the content woulden't be cool, but there is only so much you can take of seeing the same zone rearranged over and over. It would be a gigantic Everfrost zone split 7 - 8 times. Just like in EQ1 where Velious in the outside zones were the same zone just split up like a city, you can only do so much with 2 textures of snow and Ice.</p></blockquote> According to EQ2 lore Velious is no longer frozen after the Shattering. <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Jai
03-16-2007, 02:58 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valuric wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I so hope there will be no Velious. Not saying the content woulden't be cool, but there is only so much you can take of seeing the same zone rearranged over and over. It would be a gigantic Everfrost zone split 7 - 8 times. Just like in EQ1 where Velious in the outside zones were the same zone just split up like a city, you can only do so much with 2 textures of snow and Ice.</p></blockquote> According to EQ2 lore Velious is no longer frozen after the Shattering. <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Hey so long as the dwarves were able to bale out Thurgadin, I'm a happy mousey! 6 taverns in one zone...how can you not love that??? Nothing like a good nekkid drunken gnome race around that outpost. And wouldn't it be a great HQ to do the stein collection from there.

ZUES
03-16-2007, 03:11 PM
<p>Nostalgic!! Keep it Everquest but yes it is in fact 500 years later. Estate of Unrest was a perfect example. They modified an old zone that we all loved in EQ1. I would love to see Velious, Plane of Knowledge and other zones but I'm not quite sure how you would tie in the lore. As far as new zones are concerned, we have them! Thundering Steppes, Zek and many others. But on the same note we have Antonica, Commonlands and other old familiar zones from EQ1. </p><p>So I vote for retaining the Everquest theme, races and content. But I am excited to see the creative spin the devs have in mind for the old EQ1 zones.</p><p>The day aliens invade Norrath is the day I pack up my toys and go home methinks.</p>

GwenRelentless
03-19-2007, 04:04 AM
I think the devs did a really good job of balancing the nostalgia and new content with EoF and I hope they do just as well with Kunark. (I still miss Felwithe as a city though =( .) Other then that I think they did quite well and most of the EoF zones are better then the originals. As long as EQ2 continues to take the nostalgia, give it a new spin and make it better then it was, I think they will be on the right track. That being said, I think once Faydwer, Odus, Kunark and Velious are all part of the known world, EQ2 should start doing completely original expansions, deviating from the history of Eq1. Therefore, I think its important that they put a lot of nostalgia into the "old world" continents since later on I hope they do lots of brand new stuff.

KnightOfTheWo
03-19-2007, 06:31 PM
<cite>Looker1010 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I expect to be castigated for the following views but they are mine and I'm as much entitled to them as anyone is to theirs.</p><p>I never played the original EQ and this, those who did will tell me, is my problem. I see it as their problem but oh well. I came to EQII from 5 years in UO. When I hear the sobbing and complaining that EQII is not EQI redux it makes me crazy. No, it's not a clone, joined at the hip copy of EQI nor should it be. This is Norrath FIVE HUNDRED years later. Those who cling to desires for EQI should have stayed in EQI. </p><p>To expect that nothing has changed - except that the graphics got better - in that time is totally unrealistic. Revel in the now and please, oh please stop asking for the past.</p><p>A little nostalgia? Sure. A lot? No. </p></blockquote> You're not the only one here who did not play EQ1. As you've observed, a little nostalgia is fine, but not a lot. For whatever numbers of us in the game population who did not play EQ1, references to the old world mean either little or nothing. Having said that, I think they've done a great job on zones like Unrest, which I still enjoy without knowing anything about it's form in EQ1. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

SageGaspar
03-20-2007, 11:10 AM
<p>Well, there's only a handful of major expansions still missing that people are really nostalgic about: Kunark, Velious, Odus, and various planes.</p><p>There's little things scattered around like Halas, Guk, Rathe Mts, etc, but these aren't really fodder for a full expansion. EoF showed us you could put a twist on old content, don't see why they can't do the same for the rest of it. Odus should be really interesting with everything the Quellithulians got going on. Kunark -- well, everyone's real interested in what's happening on Kunark. Velious has a lot of possibility because it's been spoken about so little. The planes, if they ever come in, could have been taken over by the shadowed forces while the gods were AFK or something <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Allisia
03-20-2007, 12:11 PM
I, for one, hope they never do Luclin. I was never fond of "going to the moon". There wasn't a whole lot about Luclin that I liked in EQ1. I probably would've liked SoL a lot more if they hadn't put it on the moon and tried to make it seem alien. I realize I'm probably in the minority, but I just never really cared for SoL.

Chay
03-21-2007, 04:09 PM
lesser fay reminds me more of the moon than of lesser fay in eq1. lesser fay was always dark and  kind of scary. i'm trying to think of the SoL zone lesser fay reminds me of... grimling forest maybe? kos kind of reminds me of the moon too. anyway, if i'm being nostalgic i'd love to see kunark and velious (probably still some dragons hiding out in both). i'd like to see the altered planes like fear and hate but really think the gods would have abandoned those places because of all the heresy that went on. i don't want to see PoP or really anything after that.  anything from luclin could be blended into other content unless it involves traveling back in time... of course, there is the other moon. and if i'm thinking totally new content. plenty of the world has never been explored (i have a feeling that sailors here are afraid of what will happen if they get out of sight from land too much).

Odomfel
03-21-2007, 06:40 PM
<p>I'd like to see Kunark. See the Dreadlands, fight in the ruins of Karnor's Castle. That would be a good dungeon crawl there. I think after Kunark there really isn't much more to see in Norrath that wouldn't be new. I know I don't want to see the planes. When you have a game like EQ2 you are kind of tied to the past game to keep it real. I think they could put some things about luclin in the game but not the moon. Piece of Luclin falling to ground did something or other.</p><p>I guess about 50/50 on the new v. old stuff. You have to keep it Norrath but you also need some of the new as well.</p>

Leatherneck
03-21-2007, 07:05 PM
New takes on old places please.

Laiina
03-21-2007, 11:19 PM
<p>Nostalgia only applies if you happen to have played EQ1 for a while.</p><p> A lot of the people now playing EQ2 have never played EQ1 - so it would all be new content.</p><p>And personally, I am not a nostalgia freak - keep the zone names and mob and race names, and basic zone themes, but that should be the only connection. As has been noted by others - a lot has changed in 500 years. You are not in Kansas - or EQ1 - any more.</p>

Leatherneck
03-22-2007, 05:09 AM
<cite>Laiina wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And personally, I am not a nostalgia freak - keep the zone names and mob and race names, and basic zone themes, but that should be the only connection. As has been noted by others - a lot has changed in 500 years. You are not in Kansas - or EQ1 - any more.</p></blockquote> To an extent sure.  Keep the DL, for example, but maybe fill the big crack in the cavern with water.  Make HS a underwater zone.  Have the Burynai take over Kaesora and renovate the joint, but keep it off FOB.