New AA Titles

[Vandiyan]

Is it worthwhile now to try and go down a full line in the Brawler AAs to try and get a title.  Seeing how most AA builds that I have seen on here for monks don't usually go that far down.

[Chay]

Not for the titles. The Brawler titles suck. If you want the end ability then it might be worth it. I'll probably respec out of my title.

[SouthernAvenger]

Ya if you want to be a total [Removed for Content] dpser...... All the brawler titles are *mentally challenged* anyways tbh.... i mean Monkey Guru ? [Removed for Content] was the person who came up with that title smokin ? *edited to be politically correct*

[Chay]

Eagle Expert? Monkey Guru? Crane Sensei? Mantis Master? And I forget the other... Tiger something maybe Sad... Bad... And not really creative at all. Shame on you who ever came up with those. It's like... hmm... "Oh jeesh, I forgot to come up with the titles for the brawlers I was so busy IMing. What should I do? Oh let's see..."  

[Deathspell]

How about you give some titles you think that are cool/suitable/creative and related to the spell line? Coz, really, it's easy to bring things down and say it all suck.

[Caleigh]

The tiger one is Tiger Stifu or Stiju or something like that.  I glanced at it briefly, as I wouldn't mind having a title, but then thought better.

[Dodger Sunsoar]

<p>Ay its Tiger Sifu .. as in Sifu for Master i reckon ..</p><p> but on another note ...  is anyone able to actually choose the Mantis Leap treat ? i cant ..  doesnt mather what Point buildup i use in that tree .. even if i fill it up 8 points in all 4 tiers ...  i also have the Eagle Shriek; the INT line set up .. maybe you cant master two lines anymore ?</p><p> thanks for any reply</p><p>CHeers!</p>

[SouthernAvenger]

When SOE starts paying my bills, i'll start coming up with creative names for them. You can obviously tell that the monk titles were made up at the last minute.  Monkey Guru ? I told some guildmates what my title options were and all i heard for the next 30 mins was laughing....

[Chay]

<cite>Deathspell wrote:</cite><blockquote>How about you give some titles you think that are cool/suitable/creative and related to the spell line? Coz, really, it's easy to bring things down and say it all suck. </blockquote> I sent several suggestions in my Feedback to them. I'm proactive like that. Simply dropping the animal reference on some would make them better. Sifu, Sensei, and Master are all decent. Guru and Expert are laughable if you ask me. I'm interested in what others might think but here are some of my (possibly equally laughable suggestions). Sifu (Tiger Sifu isn't bad really), Sensei, Master are good stand alone titles. I keep looking for a Sister title somewhere so I'll throw in Sister or Brother. Sadly Disciple is in the game but under the Cleric guild of Qeynos I think. Eagle Claw, Iron Monkey (couldn't resist), and Mantis... ok that one I'm still not sure how to make it sound right. Maybe Kachū Tenshin Amaguriken? or is that too long? If it sounds corny to say it out loud its probably not a good one.  

[SouthernAvenger]

I agree that the animal part of the titles are decent, but the like Chaya said.... Guru and Expert.... i dont think i've ever heard those words used EVER when talking about martial arts.  It just seems to me that not a lot of thought went into to creating our titles... showing once again that SOE does not think much of our class. what do i mean by that ?, well i've been reduced to only being useful to spawn traps and activate mobs. While that is a important part of the raid, it only requires one monk. Where as having multiple of other classes is more beneficial to the raid. Anyone who's played a raid monk in EQ1 knows what i am talking about. ^^^ While that has nothing really to do with our titles, it just provides validity to my point.

[Bladewind]

<p>Bodi Harma, the founder of Kung Fu, was a Guru.</p><p>Sifu is the Chinese word for father/master.  Sifu is the honorific you refer to a kung fu master as.</p><p>Sensei is the Japanese for master.  Sensei is the honorific you refer to a master of various Japanese martial arts as.</p><p>At the root of Kung Fu are the five animal styles.  They evolved when monks studied how animals fought and sought to incorporate their movements into martial styles.</p><p>While expert and master are not as specific, they are used quite a bit within the martial arts community.</p><p>To the contrary of what has been stated by others here, I would say a good deal of research was conducted when deciding what titles to give the monk lines.  I really enjoy the incorporation of the traditional honorifics and five animal forms.</p>

[Deathblade13]

It doesn't look at all like they were thrown in. All of you who are complaining have apparently never watched a period kung fu movie, because all of the titles are things you hear all the time in them. And although the 5 animals they are based on are not the original 5 animals of Shaolin lore, they are the most popular kung fu styles featured in movies and books.

[SouthernAvenger]

Im a kung-fu freak, i suppose i've just never seen a movie with those titles included. If that is the fact, then i stand corrected.

[Chay]

*Cough* I know what the words mean. I know that about the animals are used as combat models in martial arts. I have no problem with the animal portion of the titles or incorporation of Master, Sensei, or Sifu. I still find the terms Guru and Expert to be laughable. Guru because the term is has become cliche and has lost any historical meaning. Expert is similar in its overuse. I always love how people will state assumptions as fact when trying to deride that person's opinion. "All of you who are complaining have apparently never watched a period kung fu movie" ... false assumption as fact. Completely unnecessary for the statement wished to be made.

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<cite>Bladewind wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Bodi Harma, the founder of Kung Fu, was a Guru.</p><p>Sifu is the Chinese word for father/master.  Sifu is the honorific you refer to a kung fu master as.</p><p>Sensei is the Japanese for master.  Sensei is the honorific you refer to a master of various Japanese martial arts as.</p><p>At the root of Kung Fu are the five animal styles.  They evolved when monks studied how animals fought and sought to incorporate their movements into martial styles.</p><p>While expert and master are not as specific, they are used quite a bit within the martial arts community.</p><p>To the contrary of what has been stated by others here, I would say a good deal of research was conducted when deciding what titles to give the monk lines.  I really enjoy the incorporation of the traditional honorifics and five animal forms.</p></blockquote>None of which really depicts the Bruisers that well... being the "Dreadnaughts" that they are. This is something Bruisers noticed and voiced a complaint about since day one of achievements. All these animal names fit very nicely with monks, and as a monk I wouldn't be upset over them. However, they belong as Monk specific titles. Dropping the Animals names and giving the master titles would be neutral enough. Maybe change "Expert" to Disciple too.. who cares if a faction has it, Arcanist was a faction title but they gave it to sorcerers anyways.

[JudyJudy]

<p><i>The titles are pretty nice.  I like the references to master, sifu, etc...</i></p><p><i>However, I just don't see me giving up some deflection or parry just to have a cool title.  Would be neat for those who take advantage of the end skill lines.</i></p>

[Cusashorn]

From what I understand you have to fill out the branch, as in put 2 points into the final skill to get the title, but I dont know if this is the case. Either way, I was really happy to get Monkey Guru! Yay!

[Hannalynn]

The end prefixes are ok I suppose, but I can't see gimping myself to get them, so I just kept my dps build. It's a shame too because it's a nice idea... if only the end talents on the first tree didn't suck so much imo. : (

[Almeric_CoS]

<p>I imagine if you think the new titles suck and/or are uncreative, you probably don't have a proper appreciation of martial arts in general.  The titles are perfect for a monk!</p><p>The only one I have a quarrel with is, unfortunately, the one I have <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I don't mind Eagle, I don't mind Expert, but Eagle Expert ...that's some unpleasant alliteration that just doesn't flow well off the tongue.  But as long as I'm trying to be the best tank I can be, I'm kinda stuck with it.</p><p>edit:  you know, alliteration isn't even the right word.  Not sure what it is that bugs me exactly, but it just doesn't feel right saying "eagle expert"</p>

[SouthernAvenger]

Stop saying we don't watch kung-fu movies or we dont appreciate martial arts..... that has no validity to this argument..... Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, if you dont like it, tough sh........   well you get my point.

[Deathblade13]

Congratulations on missing my sarcasm guys.

[SouthernAvenger]

<cite>Deathblade13 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Congratulations on missing my sarcasm guys. </blockquote>You're right cause sarcasm is so easy to pick up in writing........... *sarcasm off*

[Anjin]

How about Monkey Spanker instead of Monkey Guru?

[SouthernAvenger]

think i would prefer the guru over that one tbh....

[XaroXethanotos]

<p>The brawler titles are just dumb.  Anyone who thinks that SOE spent more than 5 minutes thinking them up is kidding themselves.  Every time I see a brawler actually using "Eagle Expert" and "Monkey Guru" I get a nice laugh.   </p><p>Monkey Guru?  Is that supposed to mean I have a PhD in Zoology?</p><p>To answer the question above, I prefer Monkey Spanker over Monkey Guru.  At least I could live with the comedic aspects of that title rather than using Monkey Guru and expecting everyone to take me seriously.</p>

[Drussna]

Some thoughts on the Monk title; Str - Tenacious Disciple Agi - Peerless Follower Wis - Zen Master Int - Karmic Sensei Sta - Iron Sifu Maybe for Bruiser it could be; Str - Prize Fighter Agi - Gladiator Wis - Kingpin Int - Vanquisher Sta - Dreadnaught I support the idea of having a different set of names for the bruiser though, none of what's been given to us suit them.

[Builttolast]

<cite>Drussnaga wrote:</cite><blockquote>Some thoughts on the Monk title; Wis - Zen Master </blockquote>lol thats my last name I would love it to be a title though at least it's fairly unique for now.  Can't see myself changing anything though the end line AAs are as useless as the titles that come with them.

[Chojin]

I really didn't have to change my aa build much at all to get my end-line ability and title.  I consider this a DPS build as well (one that does not require a specific weapon setup), and I didn't need to change it much. Was at: Base     1 STR       8 STA       8/4/8/5 INT        4/4/8 Now am at: Base     1 STR       8 STA       8/4/8/3/2 <-Mantis Leap INT        4/4/8 I figured 2 points lost in the +deflection aa was worth it for a <b>teleportation</b> + <b>guaranteed critical</b> skill, with a decent recast to boot. The title "Mantis Master" is a nice bonus (always wanted Master as a prefix).  I didn't get the end skill for the title though - it was the 6 point cost reduction that did it for me.  I will say I do enjoy not being an Eagle Expert - every monk I see has that title.  The teleportation is just plain fun too - gives my monk some spice that I was lacking before.