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Wolfsister
02-27-2007, 11:07 PM
<p>Why is it so difficult to travel to and from Kelethin.  There is no quick way to get to the Butcherblock docks, and when you get there, there are no travel bells.  If your character is bound in Kelethin (and, if you are a citizen of Kelethin you have no choice in this matter) then it takes a very long time to get to a group in any other part of the world.  If you are in Freeport or Qeynos, you can go to the harbour and get a ticket to Nek or Steppes, which connect to most of the other important areas in the world.  Unfortunately, Call to Kelethin will not allow us to bind in Qeynos.  There has to be some reasonable way to get to a group in a different part of the world  . . . </p><p>Why has Kelethin been marginalized?</p>

zixtent
02-28-2007, 12:14 AM
<p>On BB you can catch the boat back to Nek or TS. </p>

sayitaintso
02-28-2007, 12:31 AM
Because the devs decided not to give Kelethin citizens the same advantage that Qeynosian and Freepoters get with the mariners bells to TS and Nek...it's unfair, but they don't care..

Calthine
02-28-2007, 12:42 AM
You know, we only just rediscovered the continent.  We're lucky we have <i>boats</i>.  Remember, there weren't always Griffin services in Nek Forest and TS, either, and you couldn't always by a boat ticket to those zones, either. There is a storyline, you know.  Give it time to develop, who knows what will happen?

kcirrot
02-28-2007, 01:13 AM
The devs are pandering to the MMO masochists who equate tedium with enjoyment.  Remember all the whining about the bells and how much 'fun' EQ1's boats were, well the devs listened: "However, the audience that arrived was expecting something that had more of an <b>EverQuest feel, both in the world and in the systems, than EQII originally provided</b>. It’s no coincidence that, since then, much of our steering of the game has been in that direction. We’ve always attempted to do so in ways that minimize the potential for upset for the current subscribers who already were enjoying the game, and the game system that EQII launched on provided an excellent platform for us to make those changes." <a href="http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/news/view_news.phtml?site=68&id=68663" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/news/...68&id=68663</a>

Chirpaa
02-28-2007, 05:15 AM
<p>I made the trip back and forth between Kelethin and Qeynos a half dozen times over the weekend, didn't even bother looking for druid help.  It's not really that long of a ride so, to me, it's just easier to hoof it.</p><p>Curious though about something said in the original post, you really can't use your "Set Bind Point" ability to fasten yourself to Qeynos if you are a citizin of Kelethin?  I've always just assumed you could.</p>

Mareth
02-28-2007, 08:08 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Because the devs decided not to give Kelethin citizens the same advantage that Qeynosian and Freepoters get with the mariners bells to TS and Nek...it's unfair, but they don't care.. </blockquote>You do realize Qeynosians and Freeporters have to travel excactly the same route to get to the EoF zones, right?

Owilliams
02-28-2007, 08:23 AM
<cite>kcirrot wrote:</cite><blockquote>The devs are pandering to the MMO masochists who equate tedium with enjoyment.  Remember all the whining about the bells and how much 'fun' EQ1's boats were, well the devs listened: "However, the audience that arrived was expecting something that had more of an <b>EverQuest feel, both in the world and in the systems, than EQII originally provided</b>. It’s no coincidence that, since then, much of our steering of the game has been in that direction. We’ve always attempted to do so in ways that minimize the potential for upset for the current subscribers who already were enjoying the game, and the game system that EQII launched on provided an excellent platform for us to make those changes." <a href="http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/news/view_news.phtml?site=68&id=68663" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/news/...68&id=68663</a></blockquote><p> I just happened to grow up prior to the age of instant gratification where televisions are babysitters instilling a lack of attention span into children by flashing non-stop ever-changing imagery onto their retinas. I love the boats.</p><p>You can be standing at any location in this game within 15 minutes currently... if that is too long for you to wait I feel very sorry.  Would you like a hug?</p><p>Don't be hatin',</p><p>--Orv</p>

NiLi der fLiTzT
02-28-2007, 08:26 AM
I like the downtimes waiting for the EoF-ship or the KoS-Porter to get me another cup of coffee <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but there could be a shorter way to travel between EoF-zones itself. I'm sure there will be something for this in the future...

Snowdonia
02-28-2007, 09:13 AM
<cite>TheresaN wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Curious though about something said in the original post, you really can't use your "Set Bind Point" ability to fasten yourself to Qeynos if you are a citizin of Kelethin?  I've always just assumed you could.</p></blockquote>No, you can't. You have to live in the city in order to do that since your Call will only take you to the city you live in.

Chirpaa
02-28-2007, 09:36 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>TheresaN wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Curious though about something said in the original post, you really can't use your "Set Bind Point" ability to fasten yourself to Qeynos if you are a citizin of Kelethin?  I've always just assumed you could.</p></blockquote>No, you can't. You have to live in the city in order to do that since your Call will only take you to the city you live in. </blockquote>Oh... I wasn't aware of that. I bound my Kelithin toon way out on the edge of Gfay, so I just figured I could bind outside of my home cities.   Gfay is where Kelithin is though; so that must be why it let me do it.   Oddly, I've never (yet) considered binding anywhere but next to my home zone bank/broker with any other toon.

kcirrot
02-28-2007, 10:37 AM
<cite>Owilliams wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kcirrot wrote:</cite><blockquote>The devs are pandering to the MMO masochists who equate tedium with enjoyment.  Remember all the whining about the bells and how much 'fun' EQ1's boats were, well the devs listened: "However, the audience that arrived was expecting something that had more of an <b>EverQuest feel, both in the world and in the systems, than EQII originally provided</b>. It’s no coincidence that, since then, much of our steering of the game has been in that direction. We’ve always attempted to do so in ways that minimize the potential for upset for the current subscribers who already were enjoying the game, and the game system that EQII launched on provided an excellent platform for us to make those changes." <a href="http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/news/view_news.phtml?site=68&id=68663" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.warcry.com/scripts/news/...68&id=68663</a></blockquote><p> I just happened to grow up prior to the age of instant gratification where televisions are babysitters instilling a lack of attention span into children by flashing non-stop ever-changing imagery onto their retinas. I love the boats.</p><p>You can be standing at any location in this game within 15 minutes currently... if that is too long for you to wait I feel very sorry.  Would you like a hug?</p><p>Don't be hatin',</p><p>--Orv</p></blockquote>Actually, it's incorrect that you can go from any one place to another in 15 min. As for attention span, some of us have a real life and use this game for recreation.  For others they get their validation from it and so since they have plenty of time (not having anything productive to do in real life) they feel that trading their ample time somehow makes them special in a way that the world outside the game does not.  I focus my attention span on my work, my spouse and my children.  I play to play.  I don't need validation from the game. As for the travel times, when I see people rolling druid alts for the sole purpose of having them as taxi-bots, I really have to wonder if there is any real benefit to this nonsense.  All these people crying about how much they love the boats....all I know is that I've opened portals right in front of a boat when zoning into the TS or Nek docks and people still jump into it to avoid the run through BB.

DngrMou
02-28-2007, 10:54 AM
<p>Actually, it's not difficult to travel to/from Kelethin, and EoF in general.  There are many shortcuts, and methods of travel that greatly decrease the amount of time it takes to get anywhere.  </p><p>There are personal speed buffs, that can increase the rate at which you move in excess of 50%</p><p>Personal mounts that will increase your speed from a minimum of 24%, (purchased mounts....class mounts still give a speed boost, just not as much)</p><p>Personal call spell will return you to Kelethin from anywhere in about 30 seconds, (and for those players who's home city is not Kelethin, that same call spell will return them to their homes from anywhere within EoF in about the same 30 seconds)</p><p>Call of Ro will transport you from anywhere within EoF to MajDul in about 30 seconds.  The carpet right there will transport you to the docks in SS instantly, and from there, you can go directly to Qeynos, or Freeport.</p><p>Your glowing shard will transport you to TS in about 30 seconds.  From there, evac to the docks....elpased time, less than 60 seconds.</p><p>Evac, in general will cut down on a lot of walking...several classes have this spell, and it's instant.  Get from the Gfay/BBM zone line to BBM docks in about 3 seconds.</p><p>Druid/wizard ports will transport you to BBM, Steamfont, Gfay, Antonica, or CL in about 30 seconds time.  From anywhere.</p><p>Templars can transport you from anywhere in the world to Kelethin in about 30 seconds, (or your home city, wherever that might be).</p><p>Learn to use these shortcuts, and learn to ask for ports in /ooc /yell, whatever, if you need one.  My Fury will always try to accomodate those that need a port somewhere.  Learn to offer tips to Tempy's and Wizards...their ports/gates cost them money.  I've seen people claim that it takes them 30 - 45 minutes to get from EoF to somewhere else...and if that's true, they're doing something very wrong.  </p>

Aenielle
02-28-2007, 10:57 AM
Adding a boat or a marriners bell to GF that could bring people to Butcherblock harbo ur wouldnt pose much of a problem as there is a nice bay right outside the nursery. It would also be in-line with the story as it wouldnt directly connect the old and the new continents- but would make the annoying BB runs that much shorter.

UlteriorModem
02-28-2007, 11:52 AM
<p>Its not that big of a deal once you reach say level 20 or so and its not all that hard before that.</p><p>Its only a two or three minute run and the trip home is easy. Just make sure you have your buisness in order before you leave / come home.</p>

Owilliams
02-28-2007, 12:18 PM
kcirrot wrote: <p><b><i>"Actually, it's incorrect that you can go from any one place to another in 15 min." </i></b></p><p><b></b></p><p><b></b></p><p><b><i>I have to call a hearty "BS" on that statement. You can be at the entry to any open area in this game that is reached by any in-game transportation device (bells, griffons, boats, teleport spires, cloud stations, etc.) in 15 minutes.  If not, you have no mount, no teleport availabilty, your call isn't up and you are in WALK mode.</i></b></p><p><b><i>It just isn't so, and everyone knows that.</i></b></p><p><b><i>Happy Gaming,</i></b></p><p><b><i>--Orv</i></b></p>

Chirpaa
02-28-2007, 12:38 PM
<cite>kcirrot wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> As for attention span, some of us have a real life and use this game for recreation.  For others they get their validation from it and so since they have plenty of time (not having anything productive to do in real life) they feel that trading their ample time somehow makes them special in a way that the world outside the game does not.  I focus my attention span on my work, my spouse and my children.  I play to play.  I don't need validation from the game. </p></blockquote><p>Way to flip reality on it's head.  Simple fact is, the people who don't think travel time is bad and understand that they can from anywhere to anywhere in under 15 minutes are the ones that are willing to lean on others, ask for a port an evac, etc. if they don't have the ability themself. They find solutions that involve the help of other people.</p><p>Those that do not accept this, are the one's which are seeking validation in the game.  They want to be able to "do it all" themself, and rely on no other.  They complain about anything and everything that inconveniences them when they are alone.  These people want a level of absolute control and capability for themself, by themself, without the need to look to others for anything. It is likely over-compensation for the sense of powerlessness and dependency they feel in real life.  Sorry to psychoanalyze, but that's often what it looks like to me.  And yes, as someone said already, it very much IS about instant gratification.</p><p>I'm not saying that people who want this are "wrong" but the level of instant gratification that has pervaded most MMO's is ruining the genre for alot of us who are old-school RPG players.   I have a life outside of the game too, a career (not just a job), a family, even other hobbies.  BUT, when I play an mmorpg, I'm not looking for some kind of instant gratification.  The genre is supposed to be about relaxing and enjoying another world.  It's not a FPS.  When there are highly convenient, instant transport options everywhere and anywhere, it makes the entire world seem much, much, much smaller.   The fact that the availability of these things does not mean you "must" use them doesn't change the fact it creates that sense of smallness.   Norrath should feel big.   Even the simple fact of needing to rely on other people, which is quick and easy, helps at least maintain the illusion of largeness.   Dropping bells in every single zone to get everywhere and anywhere isn't a good solution...just mho.   </p><p>In EQ1, one of my toons was a druid, when I played any of my others, I would often run from Qeynos when I needed to get to Freeport.  Simple and easy to find another druid to port, or hit the wizard spires...but sometimes I wanted to make the journey, just to experience the world.  Along the way I'd usually stop and chat with various other folks, often strangers, who I passed.  I met some really nice people that way.  People in MMO's dont' stop and talk with strangers anymore, everyone's in too much of a hurry.</p><p>Funny that people that want things now.. more...faster.. use having "a real life" as their excuse for wanting it, and then claim they just play to relax and enjoy themself.  If that's the case....why is it you folks can't actually just ...well... <b>relax</b> and enjoy yourself?  Always in a hurry to get everywhere and do everything.  Sounds alot like that real life thing to me..   In my game, i'll stay away from that level of hectic frenzy, thank you very much.</p><p>And yep, I play with combat xp off.. cause i'm NOT in a hurry.</p>

Jaggid
02-28-2007, 12:41 PM
Are you kidding me?  Catching the boat from TS/NF to BB takes like 5 minutes tops!  <--that's if you miss the boat the first time.

Snowdonia
02-28-2007, 12:44 PM
FFS people, can't there be a discussion without people belittling everyone else for one stupid reason or another? I knew this thread would keep degenerating into lambastic finger pointing with the first ADD insult was issued. I don't see how this thread is at all constructive to the OPs concern and should prolly be locked IMO.

StrollingWolf
02-28-2007, 01:03 PM
<p>Let's try keeping the discussion civil please. If you feel the need to belittle someone, don't bother posting to this thread.</p><p>Thanks.</p>

Jaggid
02-28-2007, 01:06 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>FFS people, can't there be a discussion without people belittling everyone else for one stupid reason or another? I knew this thread would keep degenerating into lambastic finger pointing with the first ADD insult was issued. I don't see how this thread is at all constructive to the OPs concern and should prolly be locked IMO. </blockquote>Do you really believe that the OPs concerns are constructive to the game?  Where there are other serious issues, such as lag related to mentoring or the warp hackers?  Please do not take this as a flame, I just don't see the OPs concerns as  that big of a deal, it takes longer to get across Antonica by foot than it does to get to BB.

Bawang
02-28-2007, 01:38 PM
I have a 57 Fay....living in a city without ready access to the TS and Nek ports feels like being a second class citizen.  And on the PvP server I play this is not just an "inconvenience", you actually get killed a lot simply trying to get to the TS or Nek docks, something Qeynos and Freeport locals don't have to put up with. There IS something you can do to alleviate this problem.  I got the Splitpaw expansion and now I can call into TS near the Coldwind Point griff. Some people are under the mistaken assumption that Tedium = Hardcore.  I pity such misguided souls and keep hoping one day they'll see the light.

Snowdonia
02-28-2007, 01:47 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Do you really believe that the OPs concerns are constructive to the game?  Where there are other serious issues, such as lag related to mentoring or the warp hackers?  Please do not take this as a flame, I just don't see the OPs concerns as  that big of a deal, it takes longer to get across Antonica by foot than it does to get to BB. </blockquote>I see a lot of posts on these boards about one issue/concern or another in varying degrees of importance... None are more valid that others<b> in their right to be addressed via posting about them</b>. So yeah, it may not be something that is important enough to get an hotfix in or be addressed in the next patch/LU or few, but they've got every bit as much a right to post about it and have a viable discussion commence concerning it as anyone else does whether you, I, or anyone else feels it's a big deal or not. ANYTHING can be constructive so long as people don't insist on degenerating a topic to belittling, lambasting, or flaming just because they don't agree or feel the OP's concern is a big enough deal. And that's my point. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Maroger
02-28-2007, 04:38 PM
NiLi der fLiTzT wrote: <blockquote> I like the downtimes waiting for the EoF-ship or the KoS-Porter to get me another cup of coffee <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but there could be a shorter way to travel between EoF-zones itself. I'm sure there will be something for this in the future... </blockquote><p>I think one of the reasons I don't take some of my higher level PC to Steamfont and other zones on Faydwer is the fact that the travel through Butcherblock is a real PITA and then having to travel through GFAy on top of it. Even with the 40% horse the travel is a PITA as the path you have to take is so long. </p><p>I wish the Dev's hadn't been so eager to hang so many zones from GFAY and put them off of BB instead.  Even in EQ1 you could use a portal stone in POK to get to the Steamfont area. </p>

Jaggid
02-28-2007, 04:53 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Do you really believe that the OPs concerns are constructive to the game?  Where there are other serious issues, such as lag related to mentoring or the warp hackers?  Please do not take this as a flame, I just don't see the OPs concerns as  that big of a deal, it takes longer to get across Antonica by foot than it does to get to BB. </blockquote>I see a lot of posts on these boards about one issue/concern or another in varying degrees of importance... None are more valid that others<b> in their right to be addressed via posting about them</b>. So yeah, it may not be something that is important enough to get an hotfix in or be addressed in the next patch/LU or few, but they've got every bit as much a right to post about it and have a viable discussion commence concerning it as anyone else does whether you, I, or anyone else feels it's a big deal or not. ANYTHING can be constructive so long as people don't insist on degenerating a topic to belittling, lambasting, or flaming just because they don't agree or feel the OP's concern is a big enough deal. And that's my point. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p>And I never said they don't, all I said I think it is a very lame complaint, which I have the right to voice.  It really isn't a big deal, I run it to Lesser Fay and SteamFont all the time.  I have run lvl 8 fae's to Q, many times and didn't think it was a big deal.</p><p>You can now betray, problem is solved. </p><p>And getting killed on a PvP server by other players how it works!  You are suppose to be killed by them.  They should take out the easy point to TS and other zones forcing people to run through Ant, CL, TS and NF to get anywhere, PvP would be more fun.</p>

morinfir
02-28-2007, 04:53 PM
I'm just now beginning to find it frustrating as a lvl 53 Fae Monk when it comes to traveling through the zones. I never really thought much about it because I was doing the majority of my questing in the EoF zones but now I'm interested in completing Sinking Sands, Maj'Dul and PoF quest lines. Running to the carpet IS a pain in comparison to how FP and Qeynos access those zones. The main reason it's a pain is because the only access I have to a broker is back in Kelethin so I have to make that run on a regular basis since I seem to accumulate so much stuff (even carrying bank boxes!). It is starting to become tedious, cutting the time I could be questing and the like short because I have to take care of my "stuff." On Permafrost the zones are so underpopulated that it's very hard to find a port a lot of the time. I've never had one when I have called out for one. It's sad really. I loved how you could manage to get a port anywhere in EQ1 and you just paid your porter for the service. Doesn't really happen in EoF because of the way that the ports work (at least for Furies). It doesn't make it viable for furies to offer it as a service, spending their time porting people around. On my lvl 70 fury I actually started going anon because I would be standing somewhere and invariably someone would send me a tell, <i>expecting </i>me to put up a port, lucky to even get a thank you as they stepped through. Since I know how that is, I rarely bug anyone for ports with my monk, even though I would be dying for one from GFay to BB 99% of the time. Hopefully they will decide to at least move the carpet in BB. Or putting in bells to the docks (there IS a harbor in GFay after all...). At this point the poor little fae should rise up and demand some measure of equality!

Jaggid
02-28-2007, 04:56 PM
<cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm just now beginning to find it frustrating as a lvl 53 Fae Monk when it comes to traveling through the zones. I never really thought much about it because I was doing the majority of my questing in the EoF zones but now I'm interested in completing Sinking Sands, Maj'Dul and PoF quest lines. Running to the carpet IS a pain in comparison to how FP and Qeynos access those zones. The main reason it's a pain is because the only access I have to a broker is back in Kelethin so I have to make that run on a regular basis since I seem to accumulate so much stuff (even carrying bank boxes!). It is starting to become tedious, cutting the time I could be questing and the like short because I have to take care of my "stuff." On Permafrost the zones are so underpopulated that it's very hard to find a port a lot of the time. I've never had one when I have called out for one. It's sad really. I loved how you could manage to get a port anywhere in EQ1 and you just paid your porter for the service. Doesn't really happen in EoF because of the way that the ports work (at least for Furies). It doesn't make it viable for furies to offer it as a service, spending their time porting people around. On my lvl 70 fury I actually started going anon because I would be standing somewhere and invariably someone would send me a tell, <i>expecting </i>me to put up a port, lucky to even get a thank you as they stepped through. Since I know how that is, I rarely bug anyone for ports with my monk, even though I would be dying for one from GFay to BB 99% of the time. Hopefully they will decide to at least move the carpet in BB. Or putting in bells to the docks (there IS a harbor in GFay after all...). At this point the poor little fae should rise up and demand some measure of equality! </blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now.

morinfir
02-28-2007, 04:59 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts.

UlteriorModem
02-28-2007, 05:00 PM
<cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>The main reason it's a pain is because the only access I have to a broker is back in Kelethin so I have to make that run on a regular basis since I seem to accumulate so much stuff (even carrying bank boxes!). It is starting to become tedious, cutting the time I could be questing and the like short because I have to take care of my "stuff." </blockquote> What no "call" ?

DngrMou
02-28-2007, 05:01 PM
<cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote> On my lvl 70 fury I actually started going anon because I would be standing somewhere and invariably someone would send me a tell, <i>expecting </i>me to put up a port, lucky to even get a thank you as they stepped through. <span style="color: #ff0000">Since I know how that is, I rarely bug anyone for ports with my monk, even though I would be dying for one from GFay to BB 99% of the time. </span> Hopefully they will decide to at least move the carpet in BB. Or putting in bells to the docks (there IS a harbor in GFay after all...). At this point the poor little fae should rise up and demand some measure of equality! </blockquote> When people ask me, I always try to accomodate them.  If you're unwilling to even ask, that's on you, not SOE.  There are many ways to speed up travel already, Fury/Warden ports are only one.  It's just not that big a deal.  <shrug> 

All
02-28-2007, 05:01 PM
HEAR HEAR! Well said! kcirrot wrote:<blockquote>As for attention span, some of us have a real life and use this game for recreation.  For others they get their validation from it and so since they have plenty of time (not having anything productive to do in real life) they feel that trading their ample time somehow makes them special in a way that the world outside the game does not.  I focus my attention span on my work, my spouse and my children.  I play to play.  I don't need validation from the game. </blockquote>

Slapfish
02-28-2007, 05:01 PM
<p>Let's imagine two different popular destinations of aprox. the same level range. Ruins of Varsoon in TS and Crushbone in GFay. </p><p>Crushbone </p><p>Fae char bound in Kelethin jumps off the platform and runs to Crushbone in about 2-3 min. </p><p>Barbarian bound in Qeynos, buys a ticket to TS, stand on the dock and waits for the boat. Takes boat to Butcherblock, runs through BB to GFay and then to CB. Bout 10 min.</p><p>Ruins of Varsoon</p><p>Fae char bound in GFay runs through GFay to BB and then to docks. Takes boat to TS and then runs to Varsoon. bout 10 min</p><p>Qeynos char zones to Qeynos Harbor, buys ticket to TS and then runs to Varsoon. bout 2-3 min </p><p>So what's the problem? Except for the fact that the Qeynos char is out 60 silver I see no difference. </p>

Foretold
02-28-2007, 05:44 PM
<p>Wow this topic gets old :S  It gets so old that I've been a member since 2004 and I was finally moved to make my first post.   I don't know why this topic got me first before the even older *why cant we get rid of plat farmers* posts...</p>

Jaggid
02-28-2007, 05:47 PM
<cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts. </blockquote><p> Then live with your choice!  Just because you choose to live there, doesn't mean they could cater to your wants.  This an RPG, for storyline, it should remain isolated, imo.</p>

sayitaintso
02-28-2007, 06:35 PM
<cite>Mareth wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Because the devs decided not to give Kelethin citizens the same advantage that Qeynosian and Freepoters get with the mariners bells to TS and Nek...it's unfair, but they don't care.. </blockquote>You do realize Qeynosians and Freeporters have to travel excactly the same route to get to the EoF zones, right? </blockquote>And you point?? We aren't talking about getting to EoF from Queynos and Freeport...We are talking about getting from Kelethin to Butcherblock, it's the same thing as getting from Freeport to Nek, or Qeynos to TS....The difference is that in the old world cities you can spend 60 silver and buy a 30 second trip to the docks to catch a boat to EoF or take a bell to many other zones.... From Kelethin you have to run across Gfay, Across Butcherblock to the docks and wait upward of 5 more minutes to get to those same bells... The point is that people with limited play time don't want to waste up to 20 minutes of their precious gaming time running through these zones...There needs to be parity...fairness..A one way 60 silver method from Kelethin AND horse stations in Gfay and BB....

Slapfish
02-28-2007, 07:46 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Mareth wrote: And you point?? We aren't talking about getting to EoF from Queynos and Freeport...We are talking about getting from Kelethin to Butcherblock, it's the same thing as getting from Freeport to Nek, or Qeynos to TS....The difference is that in the old world cities you can spend 60 silver and buy a 30 second trip to the docks to catch a boat to EoF or take a bell to many other zones.... From Kelethin you have to run across Gfay, Across Butcherblock to the docks and wait upward of 5 more minutes to get to those same bells... The point is that people with limited play time don't want to waste up to 20 minutes of their precious gaming time running through these zones...There needs to be parity...fairness..A one way 60 silver method from Kelethin AND horse stations in Gfay and BB.... </blockquote><p>60 Silver will get any Freeportian or Qeynosian to TS or Nek, from there we have to run or gate elsewhere. Not to mention that just getting to the zone with the dock ticket can mean gating several times and running a couple of city zones. Kelethins have the advantage of going anywhere in their city without any zoning at all. For Qeynos and FP are made up of 4 separate zones. In order to do simple things like turn in collection quests or pick up writs we must zone and run from one portion of the city to another. Count the number of adventure zones that link directly to Kelethin. Now count the ones that link directly to Qeynos and FP. You will have an equal disparity. </p><p>This argument is not about equality it's about whining. Maybe the problem is due to the fact that Kelethins started their EQ lives in a nursery.</p>

sayitaintso
03-01-2007, 01:45 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts. </blockquote><p> Then live with your choice!  Just because you choose to live there, doesn't mean they could cater to your wants.  This an RPG, for storyline, it should remain isolated, imo.</p></blockquote> LOL story line...the cry of the rare and elusive ROLEPLAYER....you want to travel for 20-30 minutes on foot, by all means do so, but the majority of players on the NON RP servers...(notice they are NO RP for a reason) could give a RAT"S BUTT about the story line...SO PLEASE don't shove your RP play style down our throats...The lack of a method to travel quickly from Kelethin to BB docks is unbalanced and unfair and needs to be addressed....until it is, EoF is an incomplete expansion..

sayitaintso
03-01-2007, 01:49 AM
<cite>Slapfish wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>Mareth wrote: And you point?? We aren't talking about getting to EoF from Queynos and Freeport...We are talking about getting from Kelethin to Butcherblock, it's the same thing as getting from Freeport to Nek, or Qeynos to TS....The difference is that in the old world cities you can spend 60 silver and buy a 30 second trip to the docks to catch a boat to EoF or take a bell to many other zones.... From Kelethin you have to run across Gfay, Across Butcherblock to the docks and wait upward of 5 more minutes to get to those same bells... The point is that people with limited play time don't want to waste up to 20 minutes of their precious gaming time running through these zones...There needs to be parity...fairness..A one way 60 silver method from Kelethin AND horse stations in Gfay and BB.... </blockquote><p>60 Silver will get any Freeportian or Qeynosian to TS or Nek, from there we have to run or gate elsewhere. Not to mention that just getting to the zone with the dock ticket can mean gating several times and running a couple of city zones. Kelethins have the advantage of going anywhere in their city without any zoning at all. For Qeynos and FP are made up of 4 separate zones. In order to do simple things like turn in collection quests or pick up writs we must zone and run from one portion of the city to another. Count the number of adventure zones that link directly to Kelethin. Now count the ones that link directly to Qeynos and FP. You will have an equal disparity. </p><p>This argument is not about equality it's about whining. Maybe the problem is due to the fact that Kelethins started their EQ lives in a nursery.</p></blockquote>Again you are making an unbalanced comparison. We aren't talking about getting around inside the city..We are speaking about getting from Kelethin to the BB docks, nothing else..the only comparison that is equal are Freeport to Nek and Qeynos to TS, which can both be completed in 30 seconds, where it takes 10 minutes for a toon with no speed enhancement....Plus there are risks for low level toons not associated with the travel from old world cities...It's unfair and unbalanced...PERIOD...

Slapfish
03-01-2007, 10:40 AM
<blockquote><blockquote>Again you are making an unbalanced comparison. We aren't talking about getting around inside the city..We are speaking about getting from Kelethin to the BB docks, nothing else..the only comparison that is equal are Freeport to Nek and Qeynos to TS, which can both be completed in 30 seconds, where it takes 10 minutes for a toon with no speed enhancement....Plus there are risks for low level toons not associated with the travel from old world cities...It's unfair and unbalanced...PERIOD... </blockquote></blockquote><p> No, it is you who does not understand. Equality does not mean THE SAME. Haven't you noticed that class abilities are different? Not all classes can invis, evac, heal, run fast etc... The same goes for the abilities and conveniences granted to the Fae race vs. other races. The Fae have advantages that other races do not have, therefore, they should also have disadvantages that other races do not have.  You cannot, nor should you, have it all. There has to be balance. </p><p>What you want are all the advantages of living in Kelethin with none of the disadvantages. Well I suppose we all want that. Does it make it unfair? No way! </p>

silvername
03-01-2007, 11:33 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts. </blockquote><p> Then live with your choice!  Just because you choose to live there, doesn't mean they could cater to your wants.  This an RPG, for storyline, it should remain isolated, imo.</p></blockquote> LOL story line...the cry of the rare and elusive ROLEPLAYER....you want to travel for 20-30 minutes on foot, by all means do so, but the majority of players on the NON RP servers...(notice they are NO RP for a reason) could give a RAT"S BUTT about the story line...SO PLEASE don't shove your RP play style down our throats...The lack of a method to travel quickly from Kelethin to BB docks is unbalanced and unfair and needs to be addressed....until it is, EoF is an incomplete expansion.. </blockquote><p>UM, you do know what kind of game this is....right. its a RPG, a MMORPG to be specific. do you know what that means. Massively multiplayer online ROLE PLAY game. If you dont want to Roleplay online, then go play beach volyball, or god of war, or any other game where everything is set up just for you, and one can finish in 5 hours. Do you know what the goal of the game is. Roleplay. you know the guides? they do nothing but roleplay, thats what they are told to do by the SOE people. And every guide, in every server Roleplays, as told to do.</p><p> Deal with it, this is a RPG, ment to Roleplay in, thats what it was made for. Otherwise you are just playing a silly online game, with a pointless charecter, that means nothing to the world. </p>

Owilliams
03-01-2007, 11:37 AM
[email protected] Bayle wrote: <blockquote>HEAR HEAR! Well said! kcirrot wrote: <blockquote>As for attention span, some of us have a real life and use this game for recreation.  For others they get their validation from it and so since they have plenty of time (not having anything productive to do in real life) they feel that trading their ample time somehow makes them special in a way that the world outside the game does not.  I focus my attention span on my work, my spouse and my children.  I play to play.  I don't need validation from the game. </blockquote></blockquote> All the person being quoted has done from the onset is make attacks against anyone that likes the boats. The opinion on boats is fine, everyone has their own idea about what should and shouldn't be in the game. It simply ires me when someone instantly makes a public display of placing themselves above those that disagree with them. I really should not have allowed myself to be goaded into making a comment as I did in response, it lowered me to the level of the original comment's author. I'll still stand by my statement though... that the complaint about the boats and EQ2 travel is highly exaggerated. You can indeed go anywhere in roughly 15 minutes in EQ2. This hardly takes so much time as to interfere with "real life". I have raised a family and am now a grandfather, ran several businesses and think I am more than qualified to know what a "productive/real" life is, thank you. I can forward the point right here, that if you intend to play ANY game of this sort, you had better not plan on sitting in for a session of less that about 2-3 hours unless you are merely harvesting/tradeskilling. The entire genre of games like this are TIME SINKS. So 15 minutes travel in an MMORPG is hardly an issue. If you have only 30 minutes to play, you are better served to go play BF2, Q4, Call of Duty or Guild Wars. Obviously, enough players liked the boat travel (and it doesn't make them whiners) that the devs felt the game would be better with them in. Fin. --Orv

sayitaintso
03-01-2007, 02:30 PM
<cite>silvername wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts. </blockquote><p> Then live with your choice!  Just because you choose to live there, doesn't mean they could cater to your wants.  This an RPG, for storyline, it should remain isolated, imo.</p></blockquote> LOL story line...the cry of the rare and elusive ROLEPLAYER....you want to travel for 20-30 minutes on foot, by all means do so, but the majority of players on the NON RP servers...(notice they are NO RP for a reason) could give a RAT"S BUTT about the story line...SO PLEASE don't shove your RP play style down our throats...The lack of a method to travel quickly from Kelethin to BB docks is unbalanced and unfair and needs to be addressed....until it is, EoF is an incomplete expansion.. </blockquote><p>UM, you do know what kind of game this is....right. its a RPG, a MMORPG to be specific. do you know what that means. Massively multiplayer online ROLE PLAY game. If you dont want to Roleplay online, then go play beach volyball, or god of war, or any other game where everything is set up just for you, and one can finish in 5 hours. Do you know what the goal of the game is. Roleplay. you know the guides? they do nothing but roleplay, thats what they are told to do by the SOE people. And every guide, in every server Roleplays, as told to do.</p><p> Deal with it, this is a RPG, ment to Roleplay in, thats what it was made for. Otherwise you are just playing a silly online game, with a pointless charecter, that means nothing to the world. </p></blockquote>UMMMM no, dont have to deal with the ROLE PLAYING aspect of the game..and most others don't either...that's why SOE made RP serves for people who wish too...Please don't force your play style onto teh majority who do NOT role play...so few people role play in this game that the RPG should be removed....I don't expect you to do nothing but grind and kill, you shouldn't expect me or anyone else to role play...If you want to run around on foot fine, dandy...but you will not...CANNOT force others into your little story book world..

sayitaintso
03-01-2007, 02:36 PM
<cite>Slapfish wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>Again you are making an unbalanced comparison. We aren't talking about getting around inside the city..We are speaking about getting from Kelethin to the BB docks, nothing else..the only comparison that is equal are Freeport to Nek and Qeynos to TS, which can both be completed in 30 seconds, where it takes 10 minutes for a toon with no speed enhancement....Plus there are risks for low level toons not associated with the travel from old world cities...It's unfair and unbalanced...PERIOD... </blockquote></blockquote><p> No, it is you who does not understand. Equality does not mean THE SAME. Haven't you noticed that class abilities are different? Not all classes can invis, evac, heal, run fast etc... The same goes for the abilities and conveniences granted to the Fae race vs. other races. The Fae have advantages that other races do not have, therefore, they should also have disadvantages that other races do not have.  You cannot, nor should you, have it all. There has to be balance. </p><p>What you want are all the advantages of living in Kelethin with none of the disadvantages. Well I suppose we all want that. Does it make it unfair? No way! </p></blockquote>We aren't talking about class diffferences here, we are speaking of basic means of transportation for everyone..Not just Fae. You cannot compared travel differences to racial traits...Not zoning in the city or having glide does not equate to an inbalance of travel time for EVERYONE....The inbalance of travel is unfair...to everyone...especially those who live in Kelethin....

DngrMou
03-01-2007, 02:42 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>silvername wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts. </blockquote><p> Then live with your choice!  Just because you choose to live there, doesn't mean they could cater to your wants.  This an RPG, for storyline, it should remain isolated, imo.</p></blockquote> LOL story line...the cry of the rare and elusive ROLEPLAYER....you want to travel for 20-30 minutes on foot, by all means do so, but the majority of players on the NON RP servers...(notice they are NO RP for a reason) could give a RAT"S BUTT about the story line...SO PLEASE don't shove your RP play style down our throats...The lack of a method to travel quickly from Kelethin to BB docks is unbalanced and unfair and needs to be addressed....until it is, EoF is an incomplete expansion.. </blockquote><p>UM, you do know what kind of game this is....right. its a RPG, a MMORPG to be specific. do you know what that means. Massively multiplayer online ROLE PLAY game. If you dont want to Roleplay online, then go play beach volyball, or god of war, or any other game where everything is set up just for you, and one can finish in 5 hours. Do you know what the goal of the game is. Roleplay. you know the guides? they do nothing but roleplay, thats what they are told to do by the SOE people. And every guide, in every server Roleplays, as told to do.</p><p> Deal with it, this is a RPG, ment to Roleplay in, thats what it was made for. Otherwise you are just playing a silly online game, with a pointless charecter, that means nothing to the world. </p></blockquote>UMMMM no, dont have to deal with the ROLE PLAYING aspect of the game..and most others don't either...that's why SOE made RP serves for people who wish too...Please don't force your play style onto teh majority who do NOT role play...so few people role play in this game that the RPG should be removed....I don't expect you to do nothing but grind and kill, you shouldn't expect me or anyone else to role play...If you want to run around on foot fine, dandy...but you will not...CANNOT force others into your little story book world.. </blockquote><p>And neither can you force everyone else into the insta-gratification "Easy Button" world you envision.  Game mechanics are what they are...and even the most 'casual' of players, (those who turn their 'casual' noses up at a five minute wait for a boat, yet still have time to do everything else without complaint), have to learn to play within those limitations.  Just like we all do.  And even the most serious of RP'ers has to wait that exact same five minutes...no one has been singled out here.  </p>

UlteriorModem
03-01-2007, 02:45 PM
<p>Look as it is currently if you choose to live in the trees your travel time is a little bit greater than those whom dont.</p><p>Something MAY change in the future to change this, then again maybe not.</p><p>The end.</p>

silvername
03-01-2007, 03:31 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>silvername wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts. </blockquote><p> Then live with your choice!  Just because you choose to live there, doesn't mean they could cater to your wants.  This an RPG, for storyline, it should remain isolated, imo.</p></blockquote> LOL story line...the cry of the rare and elusive ROLEPLAYER....you want to travel for 20-30 minutes on foot, by all means do so, but the majority of players on the NON RP servers...(notice they are NO RP for a reason) could give a RAT"S BUTT about the story line...SO PLEASE don't shove your RP play style down our throats...The lack of a method to travel quickly from Kelethin to BB docks is unbalanced and unfair and needs to be addressed....until it is, EoF is an incomplete expansion.. </blockquote><p>UM, you do know what kind of game this is....right. its a RPG, a MMORPG to be specific. do you know what that means. Massively multiplayer online ROLE PLAY game. If you dont want to Roleplay online, then go play beach volyball, or god of war, or any other game where everything is set up just for you, and one can finish in 5 hours. Do you know what the goal of the game is. Roleplay. you know the guides? they do nothing but roleplay, thats what they are told to do by the SOE people. And every guide, in every server Roleplays, as told to do.</p><p> Deal with it, this is a RPG, ment to Roleplay in, thats what it was made for. Otherwise you are just playing a silly online game, with a pointless charecter, that means nothing to the world. </p></blockquote>UMMMM no, dont have to deal with the ROLE PLAYING aspect of the game..and most others don't either...that's why SOE made RP serves for people who wish too...Please don't force your play style onto teh majority who do NOT role play...so few people role play in this game that the RPG should be removed....I don't expect you to do nothing but grind and kill, you shouldn't expect me or anyone else to role play...If you want to run around on foot fine, dandy...but you will not...CANNOT force others into your little story book world.. </blockquote><p> So wait. you dont think you Roleplay do you? Guss what, you do everytime you go onto the game. You enter the game, pic a char, and then enter the game. at this point you ARE Roleplaying. You are playing a char (lets say a wizard) in a world with dragons, and goblins, and what not. THAT IS ROLEPLAYING. playing a made up char in an online world. a world called norath. if you dont want to roleplay, then dont play this game, because you do it everyday. in your eyes the game is just a buntch of stick figures that go around some place and get gold, and then buy stuff, and then kill things, with no names, or skills. EQ2 is a RP game, and when you regestered, and made a char, and then played the game, you began to roleplay. Sure you may not like to ack like a person in norath, but you still are.</p><p> Also if im trying to force my playing style on you, then so must SOE. because they tell the guides to RP in all servers, in fact guides must RP 4 times a week to stay a guide. SOE came up with that. Oh and wait, its there game.</p>

da5idblacksun
03-01-2007, 03:35 PM
It's also a pain for those who don't live there.  When you join a PUG doing EOF content it takes a long time get out to Loping Plains.  Sometimes I won't join if that is where they are because it takes too much time to get there.

Slapfish
03-01-2007, 04:51 PM
<blockquote><blockquote>We aren't talking about class diffferences here, we are speaking of basic means of transportation for everyone..Not just Fae. You cannot compared travel differences to racial traits...Not zoning in the city or having glide does not equate to an inbalance of travel time for EVERYONE....The inbalance of travel is unfair...to everyone...especially those who live in Kelethin.... </blockquote></blockquote><p> Wow, you really have a habit of comparing apples to oranges don't you? The class differences were an EXAMPLE of the various kinds of abilities, amenities and conveniences we have based on race, class, guild, server, home city etc.... I said nothing about the Fae glide ability and how it should be balanced by making the Fae run further to play in other parts of the world. My argument was based on the FACT that living in Kelethin has other benefits and those benefits BALANCE the benefits that players in Qeynos and Freeport have. </p><p>But I think you have clearly demonstrated that you want what you want and you don't care what's balanced or fair for everyone else or good for the game. </p>

Wossname
03-01-2007, 08:41 PM
To answer the OP: because the devs (I think it was Gallenite who actually spelled it out) "want Faydwer to seem remote". It doesn't seem remote to me, it seems merely a PITA to get to. Before anyone says that's the same thing, it isn't. Being a PITA to get to adds needless aggravation to travel. It's also related to EoF being quite a memory trip for many old EQ1 players so the devs decided to resurrect some of the old faults of EQ1 too. This being pointless timesinks (boatrides) and slow travel. I personally find this horribly ironic since the EQ1 boatrides were buggy and almost universally hated. Doubly ironic that it goes directly against one of the better trends that had been in EQ2 of improving transport after you have completed a journey once. Exploring a new zone is fun just once, after that it's a chore, especially if you're like me and are casual enough not to have the money to keep alts in spells/CAs/gear AND and 40%+ mount. Faydwer travel is dull enough on my main's 48% mount. To those who say the pause gives them time to get a drink, have a bio break or whatever, I plan to do that before logging on (usually just before travel) and a group that can't wait a couple of minutes for a player occasionally isn't a group worth being in. I play EQ2 to actually play, not to experience tedium, there's plenty of real life to do that in. Sadly the devs see tedium as good so until they change their mind all the people who like playing over tedium are basically [Removed for Content] A final observation from at least two previous threads on the subject: People who don't want boatrides are happy for them to exist for those that do want them. People who want artificial delays will cook up lots of reasons why everyone should be forced to play their way. Quite an insight into the relative personality types, I think.

rusty00
03-01-2007, 08:41 PM
<p>Well, its simple. Having a fae alt, I too find it quite annoying that it is hard to get to other parts of Norath. With server populations down globally it is necessary to travel for groupings. Turning on ur LFG tag when you are in Steamfont basiclly tells everyone that you are 30 min out, lets say to CT. It wasn't an issue until the populations fell or people stopped hunting in EoF as much. It would be nice to have a bell on our city, just like all others have. The boats don't bother me, its getting to them thats a pain. Even though I might not be in a big hurry, some other group members might be. As far as asking for a port, I do, and I rarely get one. Not b/c people aren't willling, just b/c there are no driuids around at the time I happen to need one. Like TS and NEK, this problem could be solved (or at least helped) by placing horses in BB and Steamfont. SOE's answer was to allow Fae's to betray. So, I guess thats all that is left to do. It is far easier to get back to Kel than go anywhere from EoF. I can get a port about anytime from QH.  So, in short, I guess thats what I will do with my Fae alt. </p><p>Everyone has their own thoughts, I just know from people that play their Fae's a lot, it is a pain, for some anyway. Me being one of them. They will prolly fix it someday. A Nexus or something perhaps. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>~R~</p>

sayitaintso
03-01-2007, 09:50 PM
[email protected] Bayle wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>silvername wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><cite>morinfir wrote:</cite><blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>You can quest to move to Q now. </blockquote> But I WANT to live in Kelethin! I don't understand why the Fae, who have graciously opened their little tree huts to the rest of the world, have to have a disparity of access to the same places as their good counterparts. </blockquote><p> Then live with your choice!  Just because you choose to live there, doesn't mean they could cater to your wants.  This an RPG, for storyline, it should remain isolated, imo.</p></blockquote> LOL story line...the cry of the rare and elusive ROLEPLAYER....you want to travel for 20-30 minutes on foot, by all means do so, but the majority of players on the NON RP servers...(notice they are NO RP for a reason) could give a RAT"S BUTT about the story line...SO PLEASE don't shove your RP play style down our throats...The lack of a method to travel quickly from Kelethin to BB docks is unbalanced and unfair and needs to be addressed....until it is, EoF is an incomplete expansion.. </blockquote><p>UM, you do know what kind of game this is....right. its a RPG, a MMORPG to be specific. do you know what that means. Massively multiplayer online ROLE PLAY game. If you dont want to Roleplay online, then go play beach volyball, or god of war, or any other game where everything is set up just for you, and one can finish in 5 hours. Do you know what the goal of the game is. Roleplay. you know the guides? they do nothing but roleplay, thats what they are told to do by the SOE people. And every guide, in every server Roleplays, as told to do.</p><p> Deal with it, this is a RPG, ment to Roleplay in, thats what it was made for. Otherwise you are just playing a silly online game, with a pointless charecter, that means nothing to the world. </p></blockquote>UMMMM no, dont have to deal with the ROLE PLAYING aspect of the game..and most others don't either...that's why SOE made RP serves for people who wish too...Please don't force your play style onto teh majority who do NOT role play...so few people role play in this game that the RPG should be removed....I don't expect you to do nothing but grind and kill, you shouldn't expect me or anyone else to role play...If you want to run around on foot fine, dandy...but you will not...CANNOT force others into your little story book world.. </blockquote><p> So wait. you dont think you Roleplay do you? Guss what, you do everytime you go onto the game. You enter the game, pic a char, and then enter the game. at this point you ARE Roleplaying. You are playing a char (lets say a wizard) in a world with dragons, and goblins, and what not. THAT IS ROLEPLAYING. playing a made up char in an online world. a world called norath. if you dont want to roleplay, then dont play this game, because you do it everyday. in your eyes the game is just a buntch of stick figures that go around some place and get gold, and then buy stuff, and then kill things, with no names, or skills. EQ2 is a RP game, and when you regestered, and made a char, and then played the game, you began to roleplay. Sure you may not like to ack like a person in norath, but you still are.</p><p> Also if im trying to force my playing style on you, then so must SOE. because they tell the guides to RP in all servers, in fact guides must RP 4 times a week to stay a guide. SOE came up with that. Oh and wait, its there game.</p></blockquote>I don't roleplay my toon, I PLAY my toon in a game where some people do. You won't find me speaking in trollese when I play my troll, or turning up my nose to others when I play my high elf, or meowing or froaking when I play my kerra or froglok.... Roleplaying the storyline would require all of those things, I don't do any of them. I don't follow the story line, nor do I CARE about the story line. SOE does not force their story line or role playing down my throat...They could care less if all I do is stand on teh docks and type lyrics to the latest hip hop tunes in /say....they are geting my money. If that's what I want to do then so be it...Now like I have said, if you wish to do any of the things listed above role play your little heart out, but for those of us who just wish to get to the next set of MoBs that will give us EXP a little faster we would like to have parity with the other 2 cities in this game...therefore we would like to pay our 60 silver and be sent to the butcherblock docks by the same binary code that sends people from Freeport to Qeynos...Thank you...

sayitaintso
03-01-2007, 09:53 PM
<cite>Slapfish wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>We aren't talking about class diffferences here, we are speaking of basic means of transportation for everyone..Not just Fae. You cannot compared travel differences to racial traits...Not zoning in the city or having glide does not equate to an inbalance of travel time for EVERYONE....The inbalance of travel is unfair...to everyone...especially those who live in Kelethin.... </blockquote></blockquote><p> Wow, you really have a habit of comparing apples to oranges don't you? The class differences were an EXAMPLE of the various kinds of abilities, amenities and conveniences we have based on race, class, guild, server, home city etc.... I said nothing about the Fae glide ability and how it should be balanced by making the Fae run further to play in other parts of the world. My argument was based on the FACT that living in Kelethin has other benefits and those benefits BALANCE the benefits that players in Qeynos and Freeport have. </p><p>But I think you have clearly demonstrated that you want what you want and you don't care what's balanced or fair for everyone else or good for the game. </p></blockquote>UHH no....not apples and oranges...but nice try...you are trying to equate a single racial trait to travel that EVERYONE in teh game would have access to. You may feel free to comapre the racial traits of teh Fae to the racial traits of other races, but you cannot compare any race or class abilities to something that would benifit them all...But thanks for playing..

Femke
03-02-2007, 05:30 AM
<cite>kcirrot wrote:</cite><blockquote>Owilliams wrote:<p> As for attention span, some of us have a real life and use this game for recreation.  For others they get their validation from it and so since they have plenty of time (not having anything productive to do in real life) they feel that trading their ample time somehow makes them special in a way that the world outside the game does not.  I focus my attention span on my work, my spouse and my children.  I play to play.  I don't need validation from the game. </p> </blockquote> Well, it sounds to me that you have a lot stress to play with statements as "I play to play", which makes me assume that only active huntings and raids are playing for you? And please make no statements about others people "time out of game" you cannot have an idea about. I like it that Kelethin is (a bit) harder to reach, as said it is a new continent... just discovered and isolated. And I wouldn't mind if it would stay like that. To that, I have seen discusions like this is many other games... travelling is to expensive... it takes to much times... it is to much effort... And in a game where it very easy to travel where you have a "rune" to that spot, everyone complains it ways to easy to get everywhere (Ultima Online)... *grins* Figures... Femke.

metacell
03-02-2007, 06:18 AM
<p>Another shortcut: go from Greater Faydark to Lesser Faydark, use the mount stations, and zone into BBM close to the docks.</p><p>It's one more zoning, but for me it's faster than running through most of BBM.</p><p>It assumes you can activate all the mount stations though, either on your own or having a higher-level char escort you the first time.</p>

Miele
03-02-2007, 06:24 AM
Some threads should just auto-combust, really...

kcirrot
03-02-2007, 11:46 AM
<cite>Wossname wrote:</cite><blockquote>A final observation from at least two previous threads on the subject: People who don't want boatrides are happy for them to exist for those that do want them. People who want artificial delays will cook up lots of reasons why everyone should be forced to play their way. Quite an insight into the relative personality types, I think. </blockquote>Well said.  And really this get's to the root of it.  I think the boats are quite pretty, but just like you used to only have to ride the Zek and EL boats on the first trip in, such should be the same with Fawdyer. No reason you can't have a quest to use a boat from G-Fay to BB as well.  People who want to walk are more than welcome to.

Slapfish
03-02-2007, 03:01 PM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote><blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>UHH no....not apples and oranges...but nice try...you are trying to equate a single racial trait to travel that EVERYONE in teh game would have access to. You may feel free to comapre the racial traits of teh Fae to the racial traits of other races, but you cannot compare any race or class abilities to something that would benifit them all...But thanks for playing..</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>Please quote where I compared a racial trait to travel time as I do not recall doing that.

Grey-Cat
03-23-2007, 09:34 AM
   I know I bringing back a dead topic here, but a group I tried to start last night really made me remember how much I would like to see travel times from Kelethin made a little shorter. I logged in and saw a few people from my guild were on and doing nothing in particular so I made a group. We all decided to bring out our Fae, and take them to ROV. It actually took us 45 min to get everyone to ROV. This is rediculous. I only got to be in group actively killing stuff for a half hour before I had to log off. SO more then half of my gameplay was either spent traveling or waiting on others who were traveling. This not enjoyable in my opinion.    I know some will disagree with me, but I am just expressing an opinion that I know at least some people share. Any time more than half of your game play experience is spent in travel alone, something is very our of whack. There is no reason to live in Kelethin.

Raahl
03-23-2007, 09:50 AM
<p>It not difficult.  It just takes a little more time.  Time does not eqate to difficulty.</p><p>I've run several level sub level 10 characters between the areas.  If it was difficult I would not have done it with 0 deaths.</p><p>You want quick way's there?  Talk to a druid or a mage.  Either can help you get there quickly.</p><p>What will you be asking for next, quicker access to TT, BS or BM?</p>

Skua
03-23-2007, 09:53 AM
because faes get glide ><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Fumbles
03-23-2007, 10:18 AM
Why not add a bell at the little cove in the newbie area with a harbormaster that charges 60 silver to ferry you to BB? Seems like a plausable place for one, and would be one way like the ones in the other cities.

DngrMou
03-23-2007, 10:48 AM
<cite>da5idblacksun wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's also a pain for those who don't live there.  When you join a PUG doing EOF content it takes a long time get out to Loping Plains.  Sometimes I won't join if that is where they are because it takes too much time to get there. </blockquote><p> Yeah.  I'm feeling your pain.  There was a group forming in LP the other night....chasing after some named witch or something...good AA, I was told.  I was in WW.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It took me....hmmm....several seconds anyway, to locate a druid right there in WW, asked for a port to Steamfont, (and offered a 5 gold tip....cuz I'm a generous sort), then another 60 seconds to run from the druid ring in Steamfont, round the hills, to the LP zone line.  Total elapsed time...oh...maybe five minutes?  </p>

liveja
03-23-2007, 11:07 AM
<p>I'm all for challenging gameplay, but, sadly, making the trip across BBM at 70th level isn't very challenging. In fact, it's quite dull.</p><p>Going from GFay to LFay & taking the horse to BBM is fine, if you've already been to each of the horse stations (unless it's changed, you must travel to them first, before you can ride to them), are high enough level to get to them on your own, or have a high level escort. If you have none of those things, you're not getting through LFay.</p><p>Some people have mentioned that you can't take a boat from Kelethin to BBM, because there is nowhere in GFay for the boat to dock ... um ... hello? Nursery? Beach? Open to the ocean? HELLO?</p><p>Truthfully, I don't actually care, one way or the other. I'm merely responding to some of those posters who are opposed to making this trip shorter/more convenient, because IMHO, the arguments I've responded to made no good sense. It may be that making this trip shorter/more convenient IS a "bad thing"; I'm not arguing one way or the other. But if people are going to argue against it, they should make better arguments.</p><p>IMHO, the "best" argument against making the trip shorter/more convenient is the "immersion/realism" argument, which IMHO is pretty darn subjective, which is why this discussion -- innocent tho it is! -- draws so much heat. Here's a hint to both sides: you're NEVER going to convince the other, given the subjectiveness of your arguments.</p><p>Finally: I'd like to point out that the "it's not fair" argument -- that citizens of Kelethin are being treated "unfairly" by SOE -- won't get anywhere with me. Life is unfair. Life is riddled with inequalities. This is true of RPG life, as well as real life. People who can't wrap their heads around inherent inequality are, IMHO, likely to NEVER be happy with either life or RPGs. Just deal with it, or drive on to another game that you think is "fair", & be happy.</p>

Fenrock
03-23-2007, 11:32 AM
I personally don't mind to much having to run all over the darn place to get to Feydark but what I do hate is how much a dang maze the place is.  I was in a group the other day and spent 20 minutes running around lower and upper feydark trying to find the entrance to a zone and finally gave up and just left the group.  The dang zone just sucks.

UlteriorModem
03-23-2007, 12:37 PM
<cite>Fenrock wrote:</cite><blockquote>I personally don't mind to much having to run all over the darn place to get to Feydark but what I do hate is how much a dang maze the place is.  I was in a group the other day and spent 20 minutes running around lower and upper feydark trying to find the entrance to a zone and finally gave up and just left the group.  The dang zone just sucks.</blockquote><p> I like it. But then again I know my way around.</p><p>How did I do that ? I explored.</p>

Spyderbite
03-23-2007, 02:14 PM
<cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like it. But then again I know my way around.</p><p>How did I do that ? I explored.</p></blockquote> There you go again, UM.. always thinking outside the box! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I absolutely hated feydark at first. But, after committing myself to about an hour of running around, picking up AA, and getting a feel for how the terrain works, I'm pretty comfortable with the zone now. Which is convenient for me since most of the time I spend over there, I'm hunting down faes so I can pull their little wings off! <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Josgar
03-23-2007, 05:05 PM
Heres the thing! IF Kelethin gets easy transport to KOS and DOF, then I demand that there are bells in Qeynos and freeport that teleport people to all EOF t5-t7 content. Kelethin has its content that is easily accessible and the old world has its own content. If you want to bridge to the other content, then you have to work for it. Don't give in devs! Dont give in!

sayitaintso
03-24-2007, 12:58 AM
<cite>Owilliams wrote:</cite><blockquote>kcirrot wrote: <p><b><i>"Actually, it's incorrect that you can go from any one place to another in 15 min." </i></b></p><p><b><i>I have to call a hearty "BS" on that statement. You can be at the entry to any open area in this game that is reached by any in-game transportation device (bells, griffons, boats, teleport spires, cloud stations, etc.) in 15 minutes.  If not, you have no mount, no teleport availabilty, your call isn't up and you are in WALK mode.</i></b></p><p><b><i>It just isn't so, and everyone knows that.</i></b></p><p><b><i>Happy Gaming,</i></b></p><p><b><i>--Orv</i></b></p></blockquote>There are people who do not have run speed enhancements in game (typically low levels) that cannot go any faster than in game run. To go from Kelethin to Qeynos with out run speed enhancement, waiting 4 minutes for the boat takes just under 20 minutes....I just did it with my level 6 fae...So I am calling BS on your BS... BUT really you should try to get speed enhancements as soon as you possibly can, you do really need them to get around..

sayitaintso
03-24-2007, 01:00 AM
[email protected] Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Heres the thing! IF Kelethin gets easy transport to KOS and DOF, then I demand that there are bells in Qeynos and freeport that teleport people to all EOF t5-t7 content. Kelethin has its content that is easily accessible and the old world has its own content. If you want to bridge to the other content, then you have to work for it. Don't give in devs! Dont give in! </blockquote>Kelethin just needs access to the docks in BB...nothing more.

lrdpath
03-24-2007, 05:34 AM
[email protected] Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Heres the thing! IF Kelethin gets easy transport to KOS and DOF, then I demand that there are bells in Qeynos and freeport that teleport people to all EOF t5-t7 content. Kelethin has its content that is easily accessible and the old world has its own content. If you want to bridge to the other content, then you have to work for it. Don't give in devs! Dont give in! </blockquote><p>I started reading the first two pages and realized there were so many opinions stated as facts that were simply wrong, and it's too much to respond to all, and isn't going to change anyone's opinion anyway.  Besides i'm sure people have argued about it all in the next three pages anyway.</p><p>The simple bottom line everyone should be able to agree with is: The boat is not the big issue for travelling between EOF and 'the old world'.  It's no more time consuming than the portals to KOS, and it works in both directions, therefore it is FAIR.</p><p>From qeynos and FP you can pay 60s and instantly take a bell to TS or Nek and from there get to most of the zones in the old world, as well as immediatly catch (or wait) for the boat to BBM.  From Kelethin you have to walk through gfay, and BBM.  Yes, you can shortcut with evacing in the right places, but it's simply not equal to the ease FP and Q citizens have to get to the nearest docks.</p><p>Heck, even if you live in FP or Q and don't want to pay the 60s, with gryphs being available in TS and Nek now it's MUCH quicker to hop gryph from antonica to ts, ts to se station and jump off near the docks.  Or commonlands to Nek gryph to nek dooks for freeporters.  Compared to walking through 'special mountless (gryphon/horses/carpets)' areas of gfay and BBM.</p><p>DOF.  From QH or EFP it's a click on a carpet to get to SS, and another click to travel around SS, reach PoF, and Maj'Dul.  From Kelethin you have to again walk through gfay and BBM to get to the carpet at the docks there.  NOT equal.</p><p>KOS.  Exit gate to antonica or commonlands, gryphon, quick hop to spires. Kelethin...  walk to BBM, catch boat, take spires.</p><p> Not Equal.</p><p> Nobody is saying kelethin cititzens should get easier access to high level old world zones than old world citizens have to eof zones.  Just Equal access to the main docks, carpet, and KOS.</p><p> Gfay is equal to CL/Antonica... the spires there work for wizard porting... they should work to get to TT. There should be a bell from Kelethin to BBM docks for 60s.  Then things would be equal.</p><p> The only other things I want to respond to as far as travel times are:</p><p>1.  Someone in one post said something about things taking away from a true old school RPG experience.  Nobody with any background in real RPGing can say everquest is an RPG.  It's *NOT*, if 1 was a one player console game and 10 was a real rpg, everquest might be a 5.  above two player console games but lower than anything where RP is enforced.  </p><p>2.  Travel times are tedious even beyond the difficulties presented here.  I understand why it's necessary to not just allow people to bypass all content.  However it does not add to my experience to see the same landscape with the same groupings of creatures a billion times as I walk the same places.  It doesn't add to my gameplay experience.  It's just a time sink.</p><p> Honestly, when i'm soloing I don't really care, though when you are in a group and folks take 20 minutes to come together, then someone has to drop, especially healer or tank who needs to be replaced so the group can continue at all... and then you have to sit and wait 20 minutes for them to get there.  (Yes, it can be quicker, but these wait times are realistic.)  There is so much actual content that takes hours in one setting to do.  Forcing people to sink time into waiting for others is not fun, and this is a game.</p><p> Back on point... it's about being fair.  Kelethin citizens should have the same access regardless of shortcuts and other means of travel, to the docks (Which is also where the DOF carpet is) and to KOS spires as freeporters and qeynosians do.</p><p>Kaz</p>