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Zanix
02-22-2007, 02:56 PM
<p>I remember reading prior to the EOF launch that Devs would impliment Racial traits for all races, to balance across the board. I remember quite a stir because the Fae had the fae-glide" (or whatever it's name is) </p><p>Is there any news/rumors/info on what and when changes might be made to the other races?</p>

Talz
02-22-2007, 03:02 PM
I'll take my 3% hp bonus over glide any day of the week. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

EverSkelly
02-22-2007, 03:07 PM
<p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p>

Hammertime
02-22-2007, 03:39 PM
What does fae glide do?

Jaggid
02-22-2007, 03:45 PM
<cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote><p>The advantage is minimum at best and if you had any clue, you would know that as soon as they get him, that glide will drop them to the ground.</p><p>So make sure you have your ranged attack ready for when they jump off that bridge, cliff, whatever. </p>

Pins
02-22-2007, 04:53 PM
<cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote>I have Fae Fall, and I'm not a Fae.  Sorry to hear that you can't kill Fae in Emerald Halls to get a Cloak that gives everybody Fae Fall.

Kocia
02-22-2007, 05:11 PM
<cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote>I have Fae Fall, and I'm not a Fae.  Sorry to hear that you can't kill Fae in Emerald Halls to get a Cloak that gives everybody Fae Fall. </blockquote><p> You're on blue server.   Way to miss the point.</p>

Pins
02-22-2007, 05:16 PM
<cite>Kocia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote>I have Fae Fall, and I'm not a Fae.  Sorry to hear that you can't kill Fae in Emerald Halls to get a Cloak that gives everybody Fae Fall. </blockquote><p> You're on blue server.   Way to miss the point.</p></blockquote>You can get Fae Fall on a PvP server too.  So, don't see how I'm missing the point.

Fayline Fyrecat
02-22-2007, 05:54 PM
<p>The Devs have already stated (several times) that they are planning on evaluating the racial traits for all races to give some more unique benefits (akin to glide/Fae fall) to each race.</p><p> Just because they haven't been spoken of this recently doesn't mean that it isn't being worked on.</p>

Eluzay
02-22-2007, 05:55 PM
<cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kocia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote>I have Fae Fall, and I'm not a Fae.  Sorry to hear that you can't kill Fae in Emerald Halls to get a Cloak that gives everybody Fae Fall. </blockquote><p> You're on blue server.   Way to miss the point.</p></blockquote>You can get Fae Fall on a PvP server too.  So, don't see how I'm missing the point. </blockquote> what you are saying is that we other races have to get gear to make up for their racial trait, that is why it is unbalanced, because maybe I would like a different cloak in that slot, to have to use a piece of gear to get the same ability gives a gear slot to the fae that we do not have. thank you for proving the point so well, even if you didnt realize you were.

Suraklin
02-22-2007, 06:50 PM
I think someone needs a dictionary so they understand what the true definition of racist is. Anyone else think that too?

Talz
02-22-2007, 07:17 PM
<cite>Eluzay wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kocia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote>I have Fae Fall, and I'm not a Fae.  Sorry to hear that you can't kill Fae in Emerald Halls to get a Cloak that gives everybody Fae Fall. </blockquote><p> You're on blue server.   Way to miss the point.</p></blockquote>You can get Fae Fall on a PvP server too.  So, don't see how I'm missing the point. </blockquote> what you are saying is that we other races have to get gear to make up for their racial trait, that is why it is unbalanced, because maybe I would like a different cloak in that slot, to have to use a piece of gear to get the same ability gives a gear slot to the fae that we do not have. thank you for proving the point so well, even if you didnt realize you were. </blockquote>PvP is war.  War isn't fair.  Adapt or don't.

Wytie
02-22-2007, 07:46 PM
<cite>Suraklin wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think someone needs a dictionary so they understand what the true definition of racist is. Anyone else think that too?</blockquote> got your attention didnt it!  <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bi
02-22-2007, 10:39 PM
i always thought that racial traits were imbalanced. I thought that glide took it to the next level though. Always made me cry having to pick 'cure ele, nox etc' as my frog trait on my healer; when i get better, faster (and acceptable reuse timers) on my class ones. purely because there were NO other ones to choose from. I never understood why frogs didnt get a permanent breathe underwater / move faster underwater trait - they are frogs; and they can't move in water better than a dwarf... w.t.f. ?

Ji
02-22-2007, 11:46 PM
Fae Glide = Safe Fall. I love it and it's the only reson I decided to keep rolling a fae after I tried one on the "Play the Fae" trial.

Norrsken
02-23-2007, 08:15 AM
<cite>Jixx wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fae Glide = Safe Fall. I love it and it's the only reson I decided to keep rolling a fae after I tried one on the "Play the Fae" trial.</blockquote>No. Fae glide != safe fall. Fae glide =  jumping further. fae slow fall = safe fall slow fall != glide. Now, glide, not slow fall, gives you a hefty advantage in that if you get roote/stunned/mezzed or whatever, the rooting effect does not apply until you hit the ground. Being capable of gliding in mid air for quite some time allows you to travel further without stopping. slow fall is more to the detriment of the fae using i on pvp servers. Just pick up a bow and shoot em once and they'll plummet to the ground making a pretty crater as they touch down. Cant use bows? Oh, how about a fast casting nuke then? do it quite a bit on my toons. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Ishya
02-23-2007, 11:27 AM
<cite>Eluzay wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kocia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote>I have Fae Fall, and I'm not a Fae.  Sorry to hear that you can't kill Fae in Emerald Halls to get a Cloak that gives everybody Fae Fall. </blockquote><p> You're on blue server.   Way to miss the point.</p></blockquote>You can get Fae Fall on a PvP server too.  So, don't see how I'm missing the point. </blockquote> what you are saying is that we other races have to get gear to make up for their racial trait, that is why it is unbalanced, because maybe I would like a different cloak in that slot, to have to use a piece of gear to get the same ability gives a gear slot to the fae that we do not have. thank you for proving the point so well, even if you didnt realize you were. </blockquote><p>for the invis racial traits i have to get totems to make up for it</p><p> so whats your point again? </p>

valkyrja
02-23-2007, 12:25 PM
<cite>Ishya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eluzay wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kocia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EverSkelly wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>seriously, fae glide is B S</p><p>Especially on PvP server. They get unfair advantage. Of course, some faes will say its OK, but everyone knows - it's not. </p></blockquote>I have Fae Fall, and I'm not a Fae.  Sorry to hear that you can't kill Fae in Emerald Halls to get a Cloak that gives everybody Fae Fall. </blockquote><p> You're on blue server.   Way to miss the point.</p></blockquote>You can get Fae Fall on a PvP server too.  So, don't see how I'm missing the point. </blockquote> what you are saying is that we other races have to get gear to make up for their racial trait, that is why it is unbalanced, because maybe I would like a different cloak in that slot, to have to use a piece of gear to get the same ability gives a gear slot to the fae that we do not have. thank you for proving the point so well, even if you didnt realize you were. </blockquote><p>for the invis racial traits i have to get totems to make up for it</p><p> so whats your point again? </p></blockquote>Nice try, but apples to oranges...   Racial invis doesn't allow you to move while invised.  It is entirely useless.  THose races have to use a totem as well.  I was prety opposed to fae glide/fall when they were announced, and I still am.  Yes, it makes "sense" but it also makes "sense" for ogres to be able to take a much greater beating than a fae, but I guarantee no one is considering that ogres have 5 times the hit points as fae.

Iseabeil
02-23-2007, 12:40 PM
<p>Fae's were fortunate and came with a breeze of fresh air. They got interesting racial abilities, unlike majority of the abilities available to other classes and not only do they have their own voice emotes (wich all have) but they have their own emotes as well. Whilst rest of Norrath shares the most embarrassing /dance Ive ever seen, the winged folks avoided it and got a totally own thing. I wouldnt want these things removed from fae just cause noone else has it, but I really hope that they are working on adding racial feel to the rest of us. I play ratongas, a troll or an ogre with their very different cultures shouldnt move the same way as my girls, just as an iksar and a wood elf shouldnt move the same. As they have vaguely implied racial abilities are changing (wich I hope is still happening), my hopes is that the re-doin of the character models might add racial emotes as well. Let us immerse ourselves a bit more in our characters.</p>

Jai1
02-23-2007, 12:59 PM
<p>One of my favorite aspects from WoW was the racial/gender dancing.  Seems like most of my racial traits I've picked on my characters are not all that exciting or usuable past the lower levels.  Some are some aren't.  It seems like ALL racial traits would be worth using at the end game or it's just a worthless pick.  Could definately use some rethinking.  I like my fae illusionist with 2 blinks.  Now that's something worthwhile and I will always use it. </p>

Zagats
02-23-2007, 03:55 PM
<p>Why do PvP'ers think that everything in game should revolve around PvP combat?</p><p>Fae Glide is a very minimal bonus.  Go to the commonlands and see how many places you'll use it : not many.  It doesnt work on a mount.  If you get hit, you fall and go boom.</p>

mellowknees72
02-23-2007, 04:02 PM
<cite>Bibe wrote:</cite><blockquote>i always thought that racial traits were imbalanced. I thought that glide took it to the next level though. Always made me cry having to pick 'cure ele, nox etc' as my frog trait on my healer; when i get better, faster (and acceptable reuse timers) on my class ones. purely because there were NO other ones to choose from. I never understood why frogs didnt get a permanent breathe underwater / move faster underwater trait - they are frogs; and they can't move in water better than a dwarf... w.t.f. ? </blockquote><p> Frogs are amphibians, not fish.  They still need to breathe air, even if they're able to hold their breath for longer than other animals/amphibians/mammals/what-have-you.</p><p>They should DEFINITELY get a swimming bonus, same as Iksar, though.</p><p>I believe that they do get aquavision as either an ability or permanent trait.</p>

Zanix
02-23-2007, 09:50 PM
<cite>Zagats wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Why do PvP'ers think that everything in game should revolve around PvP combat?</p><p>Fae Glide is a very minimal bonus.  Go to the commonlands and see how many places you'll use it : not many.  It doesnt work on a mount.  If you get hit, you fall and go boom.</p></blockquote><p> Simple question. Simple answer. Because class or racial (in this case) balane mean everything on PVP. And when a certain class is given a free ability, it horribly unbalances the races. </p><p>Yes, to some degree, it can be compared to 'safe fall' - but that emphasizes my point. why should a fae paladin get glide, while a HE pally will fall to his death while getting chased? never made sense to most of us. </p><p>And yes, like I said in the OP, the devs have mentioned implicating racial traits to all classes, but this was back PRIOR to eof launch, and most were hoping (expecting) that the abilities would take effect at the latest LU#30. here we are several months later, and many Fae are capped at level 70, so It's almost past the point of making it balanced. </p><p>This is not only a PVP issue. To explain, would be wasting my time. </p><p>I just was curious if anyone heard any rumors or updates about this major issue.</p><p>ps. dictionary.com ftw, don't doubt my name of this thread, SOE = racist, in a lighter version maybe....</p><p><b>  Racist</b> 1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. </p>

Forsaken Falc
02-23-2007, 10:11 PM
<p>heh ppl [Removed for Content] about gluide..... Typical only the PvPers are screaming for it too be nerfed...</p><p>Have You ever stoped to consider the fae and the othere residence of kelethin have a HIGH disavantige being in a citite thats allso in a zone? and have to walk/run/fly a much greater distence to reach the dock's or DOF carpet hence increasing the risk factor for them?</p><p> No I didn't think You did...</p><p> So seriously [Removed for Content] n leav the Fae alone....</p>