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Thoven
02-21-2007, 09:05 PM
<p>My computer more than meets the <b>recommended </b>hardware requirements for Everquest 2 and yet, I need to set the graphics options to the lowest settings (Ultra Performance), or the game is almost unplayable. And even on the lowest graphics settings, it still runs badly. So on my computer, EQ2 runs poorly and looks as though the game was made in the 1990s - Everquest 1 looked better at these settings and it ran better too. Everquest 2 must be using the most inefficient graphics engine known to man. It's unfortunate because I think Everquest 2 has a lot to offer.</p>

Spyderbite
02-21-2007, 09:09 PM
Sounds like you got a boat load of spyware and/or viruses on your computer. Or you're running far too many things in the background in addition to EQ2. I'm playing at barely par with EQ2's recommended specs and get incredible performance from "Balanced" defaults and adequate performance from the "High" defaults. To boot, I only have 128 megs on my video card.

Thoven
02-21-2007, 09:14 PM
<cite>Kulssin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sounds like you got a boat load of spyware and/or viruses on your computer. Or you're running far too many things in the background in addition to EQ2. I'm playing at barely par with EQ2's recommended specs and get incredible performance from "Balanced" defaults and adequate performance from the "High" defaults. To boot, I only have 128 megs on my video card. </blockquote>I scan my computer regularly for viruses and spyware and I have exactly 18 processes running in the backround at this moment. It's not my computer, it's the game - trust me. I've done my research and there's quite a few players out there who are having trouble with EQ2.

Fumbles
02-21-2007, 09:20 PM
what  are your system specs? and if you have problems with EQ2, stay away from Vanguard, I play EQ2 on Extreme quality, and yet only get 5fps in Vanguard.

FightGame
02-21-2007, 09:21 PM
<p>Most of my computer is about 5 years old (2.4 ghz cpu).  I updated to a 256mg video card and an extra gig of ram (for a total of 2 gigs) a few months back, and play on the next to highest setting.  I usually manually turn down the spell effects.  Game runs fine.</p><p>But since you're quitting, and nobody's said it yet.....Can I have your stuff?</p>

Laoch69
02-21-2007, 09:22 PM
<p>IF your computer meets the recomended settings you shouldn't have much of a problem.  My mother plays using an old p4 1.8, 1 gig machine, and she has no real problems.</p><p>Of course the graphics aren't fantastic but still pretty good.</p><p>What kind of computer are you using that you are having so many problems with? </p>

Thoven
02-21-2007, 09:33 PM
<cite>Fumbles wrote:</cite><blockquote>what  are your system specs? and if you have problems with EQ2, stay away from Vanguard, I play EQ2 on Extreme quality, and yet only get 5fps in Vanguard.</blockquote><p>The recommended specifications for Vanguard are:</p><p>CPU: Pentium IV 3.0 GHz or equivalent </p><p>RAM: 2048 MB </p><p>Video Memory: 256 MB</p><p>So I wouldn't expect my computer to run that well, but EQ2's are:</p><p>CPU: 2 GHz CPU or equivalent </p><p>Video Memory: 128 MB </p><p>RAM: 1 GB</p><p>My computer should be able to at least average around 25 FPS on the low settings, but it doesn't. It fluctuates from 3-25 depending on where I am.</p>

Thoven
02-21-2007, 09:40 PM
Laoch69 wrote: <blockquote><p>What kind of computer are you using that you are having so many problems with? </p></blockquote><p> Does it matter? It meets the recommended requirements and it runs like crap on the lowest settings, which means A) The game was coded poorly, or B) SOE downplayed the recommended requirements, so more people would purchase the game. </p><p><b>"I play EverQuest II quite a bit as an end-game raider. Recently I received my brand new Falcon Northwest Mach V computer. It's major specs are Intel Quad Core 6700 processor running at 3.2 GHz water cooled, 4GB Corsair RAM, SLI nVidia 8800 GTX (not overclocked), 1,000W PSU. While most of the time this system work well in EQ2 there are times of literally one FPS during spell casting, etc."</b></p><p>http://forums.slizone.com/index.php?s=ecdb351d344d3ebb60a67898954c95b6&showtopic=1634&pid=11227&st=0&#entry11227</p>

Kizee
02-21-2007, 10:06 PM
<p>Dunno what to tell ya.</p><p>Eq2 is alot more graphic intensive than WoW's cartoon graphics.</p><p>I don't have the greatest system and it runs fine on my computer.</p>

Zenith
02-21-2007, 10:30 PM
<div align="left">I love how everyone's responce when people say eq2 is running slow is "omg you have spyware." You'd think everyone and their sister had like 500 spybots running at once. Fact is no, eq2 just has a [Removed for Content] poor 3d engine. It's a few years old and even a brand new fresh off the bench and top of the line pc chokes on half it's settings. Part of that is probably due to instead of supporting newer technologies like dual core and such they go out of their way to kill em, so much for built for the future eh?<div align="left">*<div align="left">In a lot of cases it seems utterly random, again a "feature" of the 3d engine. My husband's laptop has 1gig less memory, slower hdd, and a weaker nvidia graphics card but he runs in Very High Quality in widescreen mode perfectly. I have a dual core SLI machine with much better hardware and run every other game better, but I have to switch to high performance in groups and raids and normally can run on balanced when soloing. He has SQL server and a number of other active programs running, I have next to nothing running not even a background to keep memory free.*</div>The 3d engine is a fickle nightmare and a bloody mess. It REALLY needs to be cleaned up but it'll never happen.</div>EDIT: It won't let me space that out better, sorry for the block of text.</div>

interstellarmatter
02-21-2007, 10:41 PM
Ok, you won't give us you exact system specs, so you want what from us?  I doubt that they are going to rewrite a system engine based off of omg, your graphics engine sucks.  So..if you aren't going to list your specs in the tech forum and work with the guys there, then I see this as a troll post and wave you a nice goodbye to WoW.

RipFlex
02-21-2007, 10:58 PM
<p>I feel for the OP, and happy he's going back to WoW where he will enjoy the performance.  </p><p> I, myself, taken a week away from EQ2 and I have re-installed Oblivion and Titan Quest and both games are all maxxed out and look really stunning.... never knew my computer could run these so nicely and smoothly.  I realize EQ2 has server/client netcode to acommidate 100 people (max per area) to account for the performance loss, but I really doubt should affect performance that much?</p><p>I bought a creative Labs sound card EAX5 anyone... using all it features.. would I ever see this in EQ2, no.</p><p>Newest and greatess Video Cards and some more new feautres... will be see it impliments in EQ2, the engine of the future, no.</p><p>Duo Core not Mainstream?  MuHahahahaaa, I think they are now and quad+ in near future... we see this implimented in the Engine that will support future hardware.... no.</p><p>EQ3.</p>

steelbadger
02-21-2007, 11:02 PM
Y'see its all very well saying "My machine is great and the game runs like crap, the game sucks!!" But equally I can say "My Machine is good and the game runs like silk, your machine sucks!" But ultimately that will get us nowhere. To be honest I think EQ2 does need at least 2 gigs of RAM to run well, and because it's so CPU intensive you need a nice fast CPU to see it at its best, but if you have those, and don't have a crap laden hard-drive it looks like no other MMO out there.

Freddy101
02-21-2007, 11:07 PM
<cite>Zenithan wrote:</cite><blockquote><div align="left">I love how everyone's responce when people say eq2 is running slow is "omg you have spyware." You'd think everyone and their sister had like 500 spybots running at once. Fact is no, eq2 just has a [Removed for Content] poor 3d engine. It's a few years old and even a brand new fresh off the bench and top of the line pc chokes on half it's settings. Part of that is probably due to instead of supporting newer technologies like dual core and such they go out of their way to kill em, so much for built for the future eh? <div align="left">* <div align="left">In a lot of cases it seems utterly random, again a "feature" of the 3d engine. My husband's laptop has 1gig less memory, slower hdd, and a weaker nvidia graphics card but he runs in Very High Quality in widescreen mode perfectly. I have a dual core SLI machine with much better hardware and run every other game better, but I have to switch to high performance in groups and raids and normally can run on balanced when soloing. He has SQL server and a number of other active programs running, I have next to nothing running not even a background to keep memory free.*</div>The 3d engine is a fickle nightmare and a bloody mess. It REALLY needs to be cleaned up but it'll never happen.</div>EDIT: It won't let me space that out better, sorry for the block of text.</div></blockquote><p> I could have told you you were going to say dual core before you evne said it. I learned long ago that dual anything sucks. Sure it's great on paper. Most games will run fine with just one half of that dual anyway hehe. But many other games and actually software have a problem with dual that's why I do not use dual myself. </p><p> I play eq2 on extremely high settings with amd 3000+ 1 gig ram and a eVGA nvidia 7600gt. if all i did was change to dual core i'd have issues. Thankfully I didn't hehe. I could add another gig of ram just so I don't have to reboot my computer once every 5 hours or so to refresh ram but other then that I am happy with performance.</p><p>The original poster has stated the obvious.  My box says pentiuum 111 1ghz with 512 megs of ram obviously they must mean required to take screenshots cause if your trying to play with that I feel sorry for you. I threw out 2 computers with higher specs then that. Not sure where your getting yoru specs from OP but I have to assume you have eq2 with zero expansions. Why you'd buy the game when yo could get hte game with all expansions for probably the same or a lesser price is beyond me. Maybe all the research you did proving that the game won't run on the specs the box says you coudl have put into making sure you had more then 128 megs of video ram like you quoted hehe. </p>

Spyderbite
02-21-2007, 11:13 PM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>I scan my computer regularly for viruses and spyware and I have exactly 18 processes running in the backround at this moment. <b>It's not my computer, it's the game - trust me.</b> I've done my research and there's quite a few players out there who are having trouble with EQ2.</blockquote>If this were the case.. then <b>everyone</b> would be having the same problems.. not just a handful of people. There's something common to your computers that's causing the decrease in performance. Could be a million things.. ISP, routes to the servers, similar virus software, the list goes on. Bottom line... if it were the client software.. everyone.. not just several people.. everyone would be having the same problem. On a side note.. I was just asking my room mate last night if he noticed an increase in performance because I had. Didn't get any patches or anything.. but in high detail I was running like I was in balanced on a pier full of 20 <I love Pie> guild members in East Freeport. Go figure. Not arguing with you or anything.. just trying to rule out the client as the issue. Cause its clearly not the problem.

Thoven
02-21-2007, 11:33 PM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, you won't give us you exact system specs, so you want what from us?  I doubt that they are going to rewrite a system engine based off of omg, your graphics engine sucks.  So..if you aren't going to list your specs in the tech forum and work with the guys there, then I see this as a troll post and wave you a nice goodbye to WoW.</blockquote><p>There's nothing to *work* with. The graphics engine sucks and the only way you can get satisfactory performance out of EQ2 is with a machine that is much higher more powerful than the recommended computer specs printed on the side of the box.</p><p><i><b>steelbadger wrote:</b></i> </p><blockquote>Y'see its all very well saying "My machine is great and the game runs like crap, the game sucks!!" But equally I can say "My Machine is good and the game runs like silk, your machine sucks!" But ultimately that will get us nowhere. To be honest I think EQ2 does need at least 2 gigs of RAM to run well, and because it's so CPU intensive you need a nice fast CPU to see it at its best, but if you have those, and don't have a crap laden hard-drive it looks like no other MMO out there.</blockquote><p>Go do a google search for "poor EQ 2 performance" or something similar and you'll get mountains of posts from various people talking about how EQ 2 runs like crap on their bleeding edge computer that they just bought. This isn't something that is affecting only a handful of people. It's a well-known fact that EQ 2's graphics engine is poor.</p><p><b><i>Freddy101 wrote:</i></b> </p><blockquote><p>The original poster has stated the obvious.  My box says pentiuum 111 1ghz with 512 megs of ram obviously they must mean required to take screenshots cause if your trying to play with that I feel sorry for you. I threw out 2 computers with higher specs then that. Not sure where your getting yoru specs from OP but I have to assume you have eq2 with zero expansions. Why you'd buy the game when yo could get hte game with all expansions for probably the same or a lesser price is beyond me. Maybe all the research you did proving that the game won't run on the specs the box says you coudl have put into making sure you had more then 128 megs of video ram like you quoted hehe. </p></blockquote><p>Once again, my computer <b><i>exceeds the recommended specs.</i></b></p><p><i><b>Kulssin wrote:</b></i> </p><blockquote><p>If this were the case.. then <b>everyone</b> would be having the same problems.. not just a handful of people. There's something common to your computers that's causing the decrease in performance. Could be a million things.. ISP, routes to the servers, similar virus software, the list goes on. Bottom line... if it were the client software.. everyone.. not just several people.. everyone would be having the same problem.</p><p> Not arguing with you or anything.. just trying to rule out the client as the issue. Cause its clearly not the problem. </p></blockquote><p>Several people... lol! The <b>majority </b>of people who play EQ 2 report poor performance.  </p>

sayitaintso
02-21-2007, 11:34 PM
<cite>Kulssin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>I scan my computer regularly for viruses and spyware and I have exactly 18 processes running in the backround at this moment. <b>It's not my computer, it's the game - trust me.</b> I've done my research and there's quite a few players out there who are having trouble with EQ2.</blockquote>If this were the case.. then <b>everyone</b> would be having the same problems.. not just a handful of people. There's something common to your computers that's causing the decrease in performance. Could be a million things.. ISP, routes to the servers, similar virus software, the list goes on. Bottom line... if it were the client software.. everyone.. not just several people.. everyone would be having the same problem. On a side note.. I was just asking my room mate last night if he noticed an increase in performance because I had. Didn't get any patches or anything.. but in high detail I was running like I was in balanced on a pier full of 20 <I love Pie> guild members in East Freeport. Go figure. Not arguing with you or anything.. just trying to rule out the client as the issue. Cause its clearly not the problem. </blockquote>It's really simple....SOE has sacrificed content for high end graphics and then made their reccomended specs as low as they possibly could get away with to get people to play the game. It's a pattern with them. I play on a machine that exceeds the "reccomended" specs, I can wipe myhard drive, reload XP, DirectX and EQ2, patch and play and still have to play on the lowest quality settings. (I did this several months ago just to prove to myself it wasn't my machine)It's not my 6MPS pipe, it's not my cable modem or router because other online games I play are flawless...it's the game, always has been...And people wonder how Blizzard gets 7 million subscribers...Because only a relative handful of people require their game to look as close to real life as possible...

Zenith
02-21-2007, 11:59 PM
<p>AMD 64 X2 4400+</p><p>2gb Corsair mem</p><p>GeForce 7800 GT 256 SLI (Running at 1920x1200 using driver version 97.46)</p><p>Win XP Pro</p><p>SB Pro Audigy 2</p><p>What else do you want to know? I've posted all this in the tech support forums in each of the poor performance threads and dual core issue threads. The engine runs bad ona pile of people's computers. It right now is running on my machine on hardware that is much better then was out when it launched, yet it still runs poor. Most folks just assume it's how it is and never bother to really come here and say anything. If you wanted to really see how it is SoE should do another survey like that last one focused on performance, what system's people run, etc. Bet you a lot of people will rate eq2 in the low preform mode.</p><p>Honestly I ran perfectly fine before LU29 when they changed up how eq2 runs on dual cores. Then the performance died. But yeah, it's all me I'm a bad user, I have spyware, firewall issues, a dead hamster, etc etc. SoE like to point fingers, but to be honest the engine needs help and it's much easier to just say "oh get better hardware" then to go back and work on the engine. The later would take MUCH more work then would be worth the payoff from a business point of view.</p>

Hollywood
02-22-2007, 12:15 AM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>Several people... lol! The <b>majority </b>of people who play EQ 2 report poor performance.   </p></blockquote> Just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

Spyderbite
02-22-2007, 12:28 AM
<blockquote>Several people... lol! The <b>majority </b>of people who play EQ 2 report poor performance.</blockquote> Perhaps its because I haven't played EQ2 that long... but, nobody I've played with has issues. Again, I personally run a low end system. White Box. built it at home, 2.8 MHz that's almost 4 years old so very slow bus speed Intel motherboard and only 128 meg video card. And, EQ2 runs like a champ for me. I also run a bunch of stuff in the background at the same time. /shrugs Again.. if 1000 cars were manufactured.. and a drunk gets in and test drives one.. does that make the entire line of cars defective if he drives it into a tree?

Zenith
02-22-2007, 12:34 AM
<cite>Kulssin wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>Several people... lol! The <b>majority </b>of people who play EQ 2 report poor performance.</blockquote> Perhaps its because I haven't played EQ2 that long... but, nobody I've played with has issues. Again, I personally run a low end system. White Box. built it at home, 2.8 MHz that's almost 4 years old so very slow bus speed Intel motherboard and only 128 meg video card. And, EQ2 runs like a champ for me. I also run a bunch of stuff in the background at the same time. /shrugs Again.. if 1000 cars were manufactured.. and a drunk gets in and test drives one.. does that make the entire line of cars defective if he drives it into a tree? </blockquote> Cute analogy, I like how you're indirectly comparing those with slow performance issues to drunks. Needless just because you don't have slow performance in relation to your system specs doesn't mean others don't.  Most people just assume it's the way it is and don't realize it's how it's compares.

Thoven
02-22-2007, 12:55 AM
<cite>Kulssin wrote:</cite><blockquote> Perhaps its because I haven't played EQ2 that long... but, nobody I've played with has issues. Again, I personally run a low end system. White Box. built it at home, 2.8 MHz that's almost 4 years old so very slow bus speed Intel motherboard and only 128 meg video card. And, EQ2 runs like a champ for me. I also run a bunch of stuff in the background at the same time. /shrugs Again.. if 1000 cars were manufactured.. and a drunk gets in and test drives one.. does that make the entire line of cars defective if he drives it into a tree? </blockquote><p> <b>"nobody I've played with has issues."</b></p><p>Really? Do you regularly ask fellow EQ 2 players how well their game is running? Strange... for some reason, I have this feeling you're just a fanboy who is making things up because you can't get over the fact that his favorite game's graphics engine sucks. /shrugs</p><p>The EQ 2 graphics engine is inefficient - end of story. There's no need to start making up stories about how your grandmother's, dog's girlfriend is running EQ 2 on a 1984 mac, with all of the graphics turned up with no performance problems.</p>

interstellarmatter
02-22-2007, 01:00 AM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kulssin wrote:</cite><blockquote> Perhaps its because I haven't played EQ2 that long... but, nobody I've played with has issues. Again, I personally run a low end system. White Box. built it at home, 2.8 MHz that's almost 4 years old so very slow bus speed Intel motherboard and only 128 meg video card. And, EQ2 runs like a champ for me. I also run a bunch of stuff in the background at the same time. /shrugs Again.. if 1000 cars were manufactured.. and a drunk gets in and test drives one.. does that make the entire line of cars defective if he drives it into a tree? </blockquote><p> <b>"nobody I've played with has issues."</b></p><p>Really? Do you regularly ask fellow EQ 2 players how well their game is running? Strange... for some reason, I have this feeling you're just a fanboy who is making things up because he can't get over the fact that his favorite game's graphics engine sucks. /shrugs</p><p>The EQ 2 graphics engine is inefficient - end of story. There's no need to start making up stories about how your grandmother's, dog's girlfriend is running EQ 2 on a 1984 mac, with all of the graphics turned up with no performance problems.</p></blockquote>You get an A++ for trolling here.  If you don't like the engine, why do you stay here?  Just move along.  It's not going to change for you.

Chog
02-22-2007, 01:08 AM
Had no problems running EQ2 with my old system: AMD 2400+ FX5800 w/ 128 Meg Video card 1 Gig of RAM With the above system I was able to run balanced in most zones and when I went into a heavily populated zone or raid I would set the game to minnimal. Upgraded my computer not to long ago and I can now play with max settings in most zones; however, turning shadows off in highly populated zones / raids is required sometimes. Sempron 3000+ GeForc 7600 512 Meg Video Card (factory overclocked) 2 Gig of RAM Considering I am still using a Slot A processor chip (the ones they no longer create), my system is anything but "new" even after I upgraded it. Although the video card does help a lot I am sure.

Thoven
02-22-2007, 01:10 AM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>You get an A++ for trolling here.  If you don't like the engine, why do you stay here?  Just move along.  It's not going to change for you. </blockquote>Oh, I'm a troll now. *laugh* Yes, anyone who is disappointed by EQ2's graphics engine's performance must be a troll and heaven forbid they post about it on EQ2's forums.

mellob
02-22-2007, 01:13 AM
<p>I notice that although you finally decided to share your system specs, you still haven't shared what you've done to try and resolve this problem.  Every suggestion that people have given you to check, you refute like they are just trying to flame you.  When I first saw the topic of this post, I was curious why it hadn't been moved to the tech board.  It's obvious however, after reading your post and responses, that you have no intention of seeking help, you just want to complain.</p><p>Let's be generous, and say there's maybe 100 posts on the boards about how terrible the game runs.  If the problem were with the client, and there being WELL over 500,000 subscribers, maybe even close to a million, would it not also make sense that a lot of other people would not only have posted about the problems and forced sony to rewrite their code or go under not long after launch?  </p><p> YOU have a problem.  Ok. There's a tech board with both the people that WROTE the game and other people that know what they are talking about.  Maybe you just want to make the statement that it doesn't work well on your system?  Nobody here is saying that you're wrong, they are simply making suggestions to help you out.  Getting defensive about their recomendations is ignorant.</p><p>By the way, it ran fine on my old minimum requirements system at low settings, it runs GREAT on my new duo core and 8800gt vid card at Extreme, even the other night on a raid.  Kinda shocked me, frankly, when I got it all loaded up on the new rig, like a new game practically.  It's not Gears of War or anything like that, but it's pretty good for what it is, and no, it doesn't utilize duo core technology, but how many people had a duo core at launch, let alone the 2 years or so BEFORE then when the coding began.</p>

Thoven
02-22-2007, 01:25 AM
<cite>mellobri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I notice that although you finally decided to share your system specs, you still haven't shared what you've done to try and resolve this problem.  Every suggestion that people have given you to check, you refute like they are just trying to flame you.  When I first saw the topic of this post, I was curious why it hadn't been moved to the tech board.  It's obvious however, after reading your post and responses, that you have no intention of seeking help, you just want to complain.</p><p>Let's be generous, and say there's maybe 100 posts on the boards about how terrible the game runs.  If the problem were with the client, and there being WELL over 500,000 subscribers, maybe even close to a million, would it not also make sense that a lot of other people would not only have posted about the problems and forced sony to rewrite their code or go under not long after launch?  </p><p> YOU have a problem.  Ok. There's a tech board with both the people that WROTE the game and other people that know what they are talking about.  Maybe you just want to make the statement that it doesn't work well on your system?  Nobody here is saying that you're wrong, they are simply making suggestions to help you out.  Getting defensive about their recomendations is ignorant.</p><p>By the way, it ran fine on my old minimum requirements system at low settings, it runs GREAT on my new duo core and 8800gt vid card at Extreme, even the other night on a raid.  Kinda shocked me, frankly, when I got it all loaded up on the new rig, like a new game practically.  It's not Gears of War or anything like that, but it's pretty good for what it is, and no, it doesn't utilize duo core technology, but how many people had a duo core at launch, let alone the 2 years or so BEFORE then when the coding began.</p></blockquote><p>I think you have me confused with another poster because I haven't disclosed my computer's specs...</p><p>Secondly, there is nothing to be done. I've read optimization guides for this game and I've read the technical support forum. There is NOTHING wrong with my computer and everything wrong with EQ2. If you need a computer that is double the recommended specs just to be able to run the game on balanced settings at an average of 30 FPS, then there is something seriously wrong. The graphics engine is INEFFICIENT. I have no doubt  that your duo 72819 XL G 9,000 gundam wing extra spicey can run EQ2 on the ultra super-fantastic happy settings at 900 FPS, but that's not the issue here. The issue is the inefficiency of the graphics engine. There are players out there who have Oblivion running like butter on their systems, but are having trouble with EQ2.</p><p>Keep in mind that this game came out in 2004 and the recommended specs are a 2.0 ghz cpu with 1 gig of ram and a 128 MB video card.</p>

Llach
02-22-2007, 04:05 AM
I started playing back in beta on an old Athlon XP 2700+, 1gb RAM, Radeon 9700.  Since then I upgraded to an Athlon 3700, 2gb RAM, and have been through a few grahics cards (9700, X850, X850XT PE, 7800, 7900GT and now an 8800GTS 320mb).  Not once in all that time have I had cause to complain about poor performance. My wife plays on a Athlon 64 3500, 2gb value RAM, she started with a X850 and now has my old 7900GT.  No issues for her either. I play on Balanced with a few extra tweaks and she plays on Balanced (with more high detail characters).  If you refuse to even post your issues in the correct forum (Tech Support) and also refuse to post your system specs as requested by the devs (and players), how can you expect anyone to even try to help you solve your issues? Personally I am led to belive you own some PoS E-Machine that just covers the recommended specs and are frankly here to annoy others and have a general [Removed for Content] and whine about that.

Jrral
02-22-2007, 04:20 AM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fumbles wrote:</cite><blockquote>what  are your system specs? and if you have problems with EQ2, stay away from Vanguard, I play EQ2 on Extreme quality, and yet only get 5fps in Vanguard.</blockquote><p>The recommended specifications for Vanguard are:</p><p>CPU: Pentium IV 3.0 GHz or equivalent </p><p>RAM: 2048 MB </p><p>Video Memory: 256 MB</p><p>So I wouldn't expect my computer to run that well, but EQ2's are:</p><p>CPU: 2 GHz CPU or equivalent </p><p>Video Memory: 128 MB </p><p>RAM: 1 GB</p><p>My computer should be able to at least average around 25 FPS on the low settings, but it doesn't. It fluctuates from 3-25 depending on where I am.</p></blockquote>From what you wrote, I'd guess your system has 1GB of RAM and a 128MB video card. I suspect those are the problem. The "recommended" specs for EQ2 are the bare minimum for any decent settings. You need a 256MB video card and 2GB of RAM to really get decent performance. Also, some settings have more of an effect than others. For example, turning off shadows improves the performance all out of proportion to what you'd expect. If you're taking the stock settings from the slider, you may be able to get much better performance at a given level by customizing only one or two settings such as shadows. And of course in some zones (eg. Qeynos Harbor) the lag is server-side and the horsepower of your computer has little effect on it.

Fumbles
02-22-2007, 10:32 AM
<p>One of my systems is an AMD 1700+ with a 128 mb video card and 1gig of ram that runs the game smoothly on balanced settings in windowed mode. You may need to turn off things like shadow effects(graphic intensive for little visual gain).  Don't be afraid to tweek your performance settings. </p><p>People may have bad things to say about the graphics engine, but honestly show me an MMO with better graphics. </p><p>I wish you luck in resolving your bottleneck.</p><p>Edit to add: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/forums/show.m?forum_id=4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...ow.m?forum_id=4</a> Posting here will provide you with possible solutions, but they will want your system details in order to provide the best answers.</p>

TuinalOfTheNexus
02-22-2007, 10:42 AM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>mellobri wrote: <p>Secondly, there is nothing to be done. I've read optimization guides for this game and I've read the technical support forum. There is NOTHING wrong with my computer and everything wrong with EQ2. If you need a computer that is double the recommended specs just to be able to run the game on balanced settings at an average of 30 FPS, then there is something seriously wrong. The graphics engine is INEFFICIENT. I have no doubt  that your duo 72819 XL G 9,000 gundam wing extra spicey can run EQ2 on the ultra super-fantastic happy settings at 900 FPS, but that's not the issue here. The issue is the inefficiency of the graphics engine. There are players out there who have Oblivion running like butter on their systems, but are having trouble with EQ2.</p><p>Keep in mind that this game came out in 2004 and the recommended specs are a 2.0 ghz cpu with 1 gig of ram and a 128 MB video card.</p></blockquote><p> Your CPU is probably overheating + throttling itself causing the stutter. I run on a machine near the min spec and the game runs smoothly on balanced outside of raids and city zone. Since the engine taxes the CPU more than any other game (including Oblivion), it's commonly the only bit of software you have that causes the core temp to raise to levels where the CPU slows itself down to prevent damage. Simple clearing the dust from the heatsinks and fans in the case can fix the problem.</p><p>Of course, you won't believe that, because you're hell-bent on proving the 3-year old graphics engine sucks, and would rather moan about it than try to take advice on how to improve performance.</p>

Parsimony
02-22-2007, 11:13 AM
I see people posting a lot about "oh my graphics card has xxx megs of memory and I get good performance" then "my has 2x that and it suxxors." GPU clock speed, memory speed, and the number of pixel pipelines are also huge determinants for performance. If you're running a graphics card and you think you got it for a [I cannot control my vocabulary] great deal, I'd check the # of pixel pipelines. So many times I find cards on Newegg that look like unbelievable steals, but when I check the specs, it has half the pixel pipelines of other cards of the same type.

Natak
02-22-2007, 11:31 AM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>You get an A++ for trolling here.  If you don't like the engine, why do you stay here?  Just move along.  It's not going to change for you. </blockquote>Oh, I'm a troll now. *laugh* Yes, anyone who is disappointed by EQ2's graphics engine's performance must be a troll and heaven forbid they post about it on EQ2's forums.</blockquote>When people ask you for specs on your computer, and you refuse to give them something so simple, it does give you the appearance of a troll. You define people as "fanboy" when they ask you for information that can be used to help you. You deny being a troll, yet both your definitions are off. <b> A fanboy  </b> <span style="font-size: xx-small"><b>Fanboy</b> is a relatively harmless Warrior because his interests and knowledge are strictly limited a single obsession. He's fixated on a particular video game, a celebrity, a television show, a sports team, – almost anything, really. Fanboy’s compulsion makes him very easy to identify, but it also arms him with supernatural tenacity. The most benign criticism of his beloved immediately provokes a cascade of virulent abuse.. <span style="font-size: x-small"><b> A "TROLL" </b></span> An "<b>Internet troll</b>" or "<b>Forum Troll</b>" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums.  A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion.  Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a skeptic.  He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth",  flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him.  Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them</span>.<span style="font-size: xx-small"> While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of  other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate science. </span> As evidenced in this thread, you are exhibiting the latter behavior. Now on to the crux of your OP. You claim EQ2 is poorly coded. I thoroughly agree. However that coding can be overcome with adjusting settings on your computer both in the game itself, and in your settings for your video card and operating system. Additionally, drivers for various parts of your computer from the video card to the system bios can have effect. Finally, there are NUMEROUS problems with dual core computers. If you have one, then I would begin looking there. Is there a rational reason you are afraid to post your system specs? By refusing to do so, all you will get is generic advice and people feeling that you are being a troll.

Kane
02-22-2007, 11:36 AM
<cite>TuinalOfTheNexus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>mellobri wrote: <p>Secondly, there is nothing to be done. I've read optimization guides for this game and I've read the technical support forum. There is NOTHING wrong with my computer and everything wrong with EQ2. If you need a computer that is double the recommended specs just to be able to run the game on balanced settings at an average of 30 FPS, then there is something seriously wrong. The graphics engine is INEFFICIENT. I have no doubt  that your duo 72819 XL G 9,000 gundam wing extra spicey can run EQ2 on the ultra super-fantastic happy settings at 900 FPS, but that's not the issue here. The issue is the inefficiency of the graphics engine. There are players out there who have Oblivion running like butter on their systems, but are having trouble with EQ2.</p><p>Keep in mind that this game came out in 2004 and the recommended specs are a 2.0 ghz cpu with 1 gig of ram and a 128 MB video card.</p></blockquote><p> Your CPU is probably overheating + throttling itself causing the stutter. I run on a machine near the min spec and the game runs smoothly on balanced outside of raids and city zone. Since the engine taxes the CPU more than any other game (including Oblivion), it's commonly the only bit of software you have that causes the core temp to raise to levels where the CPU slows itself down to prevent damage. Simple clearing the dust from the heatsinks and fans in the case can fix the problem.</p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Of course, you won't believe that, because you're hell-bent on proving the 3-year old graphics engine sucks, and would rather moan about it than try to take advice on how to improve performance.</span></p></blockquote>QFE

DngrMou
02-22-2007, 11:39 AM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Does it matter? It meets the recommended requirements and it runs like crap on the lowest settings, which means A) The game was coded poorly, or B) SOE downplayed the recommended requirements, so more people would purchase the game. </p></blockquote><p> Or C)  You've got something set up wrong.  Lots of others are playing without problem...that should have been your very first clue...and while it's always easier to just blame someone else, in the long run it's not very satisfying.  </p>

Levatino
02-22-2007, 11:46 AM
having my own gamestore I see a lot of people complaining about games they can't run on there computers. In most of the cases it's people failing to read the back of the games seeing if they can run a game. They look like they see water burning when I explain that Need for speed Carbon can't run on a 10 year old machine.. But also sometimes a computer which is about the recommedation will not run a game smoothly, remember it is recommendent but that also means that if you want it to run smoothly you should have more then recommendent. Recommendent means you can run the game if you set settings to medium. And then I don't even talk about minimum configurations.. Also sometimes some video/graphic cards will not be supported for some games, always look if your card will work with games. Mostly this info can be found on the websites of the developers of these games

Levatino
02-22-2007, 11:58 AM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>mellobri wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I notice that although you finally decided to share your system specs, you still haven't shared what you've done to try and resolve this problem.  Every suggestion that people have given you to check, you refute like they are just trying to flame you.  When I first saw the topic of this post, I was curious why it hadn't been moved to the tech board.  It's obvious however, after reading your post and responses, that you have no intention of seeking help, you just want to complain.</p><p>Let's be generous, and say there's maybe 100 posts on the boards about how terrible the game runs.  If the problem were with the client, and there being WELL over 500,000 subscribers, maybe even close to a million, would it not also make sense that a lot of other people would not only have posted about the problems and forced sony to rewrite their code or go under not long after launch?  </p><p> YOU have a problem.  Ok. There's a tech board with both the people that WROTE the game and other people that know what they are talking about.  Maybe you just want to make the statement that it doesn't work well on your system?  Nobody here is saying that you're wrong, they are simply making suggestions to help you out.  Getting defensive about their recomendations is ignorant.</p><p>By the way, it ran fine on my old minimum requirements system at low settings, it runs GREAT on my new duo core and 8800gt vid card at Extreme, even the other night on a raid.  Kinda shocked me, frankly, when I got it all loaded up on the new rig, like a new game practically.  It's not Gears of War or anything like that, but it's pretty good for what it is, and no, it doesn't utilize duo core technology, but how many people had a duo core at launch, let alone the 2 years or so BEFORE then when the coding began.</p></blockquote><p>I think you have me confused with another poster because I haven't disclosed my computer's specs...</p><p>Secondly, there is nothing to be done. I've read optimization guides for this game and I've read the technical support forum. There is NOTHING wrong with my computer and everything wrong with EQ2. If you need a computer that is double the recommended specs just to be able to run the game on balanced settings at an average of 30 FPS, then there is something seriously wrong. The graphics engine is INEFFICIENT. I have no doubt  that your duo 72819 XL G 9,000 gundam wing extra spicey can run EQ2 on the ultra super-fantastic happy settings at 900 FPS, but that's not the issue here. The issue is the inefficiency of the graphics engine. There are players out there who have Oblivion running like butter on their systems, but are having trouble with EQ2.</p><p>Keep in mind that this game came out in 2004 and the recommended specs are a 2.0 ghz cpu with 1 gig of ram and a 128 MB video card.</p></blockquote>what is it you want? You want help but you won't give out your computer specs... Yet you continue to argue that your computer should be able to play eq2 yet you don't give any info why it should only that is it supposedly better then the recommended specs.. So either give the specs of the computer you have and maybe some of us can help you identify why your computer can't run it smoothly like others can or indeed stop trolling about it.

Amytheyst
02-22-2007, 12:48 PM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, you won't give us you exact system specs, so you want what from us?  I doubt that they are going to rewrite a system engine based off of omg, your graphics engine sucks.  So..if you aren't going to list your specs in the tech forum and work with the guys there, then I see this as a troll post and wave you a nice goodbye to WoW.</blockquote><p>There's nothing to *work* with. The graphics engine sucks and the only way you can get satisfactory performance out of EQ2 is with a machine that is much higher more powerful than the recommended computer specs printed on the side of the box.</p><p><i><b>steelbadger wrote:</b></i> </p><blockquote>Y'see its all very well saying "My machine is great and the game runs like crap, the game sucks!!" But equally I can say "My Machine is good and the game runs like silk, your machine sucks!" But ultimately that will get us nowhere. To be honest I think EQ2 does need at least 2 gigs of RAM to run well, and because it's so CPU intensive you need a nice fast CPU to see it at its best, but if you have those, and don't have a crap laden hard-drive it looks like no other MMO out there.</blockquote><p>Go do a google search for "poor EQ 2 performance" or something similar and you'll get mountains of posts from various people talking about how EQ 2 runs like crap on their bleeding edge computer that they just bought. This isn't something that is affecting only a handful of people. It's a well-known fact that EQ 2's graphics engine is poor.</p><p><b><i>Freddy101 wrote:</i></b> </p><blockquote><p>The original poster has stated the obvious.  My box says pentiuum 111 1ghz with 512 megs of ram obviously they must mean required to take screenshots cause if your trying to play with that I feel sorry for you. I threw out 2 computers with higher specs then that. Not sure where your getting yoru specs from OP but I have to assume you have eq2 with zero expansions. Why you'd buy the game when yo could get hte game with all expansions for probably the same or a lesser price is beyond me. Maybe all the research you did proving that the game won't run on the specs the box says you coudl have put into making sure you had more then 128 megs of video ram like you quoted hehe. </p></blockquote><p>Once again, my computer <b><i>exceeds the recommended specs.</i></b></p><p><i><b>Kulssin wrote:</b></i> </p><blockquote><p>If this were the case.. then <b>everyone</b> would be having the same problems.. not just a handful of people. There's something common to your computers that's causing the decrease in performance. Could be a million things.. ISP, routes to the servers, similar virus software, the list goes on. Bottom line... if it were the client software.. everyone.. not just several people.. everyone would be having the same problem.</p><p> Not arguing with you or anything.. just trying to rule out the client as the issue. Cause its clearly not the problem. </p></blockquote><p>Several people... lol! The <b>majority </b>of people who play EQ 2 report poor performance.   </p><p>SCREENSHOT or System Specs or it didnt happen... NEXT.</p>Its obvious its a troll. </blockquote>

UlteriorModem
02-22-2007, 01:00 PM
<p>Wow three pages of this drivel !</p><p>Yes the game plays fine for me outside of city and raids.</p>

Flotten
02-22-2007, 01:05 PM
The OP is clearly a troll because he cries like a baby about performance, yet not once did he even post his system specs.  He is a troll, why is everyone feeding the kid?

Logical_Knight
02-22-2007, 01:07 PM
<p>  Sadly, I'm going to have to agree with the troll-callers on this one.  If after three pages we haven't gotten any deeper into the problem than "this engine sucks" then it's pretty clear the intent of the post was to spread hate and not solve problems.  Guess I'll move on to some more sensible posts now.</p>

Bramwe
02-22-2007, 01:24 PM
From what I have seen in the tech forum if you have a Pentium 3.4, or whatever AMDs equivelant is, you are about as good as you are going to get with this game as far as the processor.  Any posts in the tech forums or anywhere else seem to suggest that core 2 duo or any other new processor doesn't do much other than allow you to maybe run more in the background.  The fact is this game was designed for a single core processor and that is what Sony thought the future of processors was at the time they developed eq2.  They designed the game with the idea that by now we would be using single core 5ghz processors.  In my opinion, EQ2 will run the same in 10 years as it did on a top of the line system in 2004(Pentium 4 3.4ghz or whatever the AMD proc of the time was, maybe an FX57 or something I am not sure because I don't use AMD). Sure, a new video card will help but only until the processor starts holding it back.  I would guess something like a 6800 Ultra/7800GS/GT with a 3.4 Pentium 4 will give you the exact same results as an 8800GTX and a Core 2 Duo 6700.  You may be able to run more in the background with the newer system which may seem like an improvement but in actual game quality there will not be much of a gain.  Until SOE rewrites this game specifically for dual core, which they will not, the processor will hold everything back and upgrading specifically for this game will not be worth it.  They disable the game from even using anything but one core. Just scroll up and look at the people running 2.4ghz and 3.0ghz systems(technology from a few years ago) exactly the same or better than the newest core 2 systems.  There are, or used to be before the forum change, dozens of threads supporting this.  I can understand why people are so upset when they spend $2500 and have the same results as someone who has a computer worth about $500.  You need to research a game a little before automatically thinking the most expensive upgrades are going to do any good. 

ChildofHate
02-22-2007, 01:28 PM
<p>judging by what's posted here by the OP, i am of the mind it's his computer, regardless what specs it has.  Blaming the game isn't viable.  The quote taken from the guy who got the whoopty-due falcon computer was silly.  I am guessing (both of) you have a ton of crap running in the background.  I built my computer 5 months ago and it wasn't cutting edge hardware then either and i have no problem what-so-ever running with all of my settings on MAX, not extreme quality...  MAX QUALITY.  This includes on full 24 man raids.  I have to turn particles down though because i simply cannot see the mobs very well with the fireworks display of effects happening all at once.  I run at 1280x1024 res.  specs are AMD 4800+ (2.4GHz dual core), Asus A8n32Sli MB, 2gig ram, 2 7900GTX nvidia cards running SLi, Audigy 2ZS soundcard.</p><p>So blaming the game, considering my machine's specs, doesn't hold much water.  Sure, SOE could do something with gfx engine to make better use of multi-core processors, etc but the problems mentioned about poor framerates are not because of the game.  it's the user's machine.  You're allowed to not like that sentiment but as i stated with my computer specs, i have zero issue running maxed out on quality.  So considering those <u>facts</u>, what's left?  that's correct, user error.  that's all that's left... or gremlins.</p>

Vodr
02-22-2007, 01:46 PM
<p>Sigh first off can't believe I am going to post here because of the flamewar that is on the verge of starting.</p><p> Most applications do not use the 2nd core in a dual core system and intel has already acknowlaged that thier quad core is not the final design and that it is not exactly working as intended.</p><p> For a program to take advantage of dual core you need to code the entire thing in a method that is called thread safe which takes perhaps 20% more time in the overall design making sure that the different threads don't step on each others toes.  One of the major reasons eq2 doesn't take advantage of dual core (or quad core) tech is the engine was designed when true dual core tech was just a fantasy.  You did have HT from intel which still works a bit different.</p><p> Dual core and quad core was goofing with the timing of all the threads and most people running dual core if booted for over say 5-8 hours would notice a speed increase in the game as the thread timing got further and further out.  So the developers rather than deal with what everyone in PvP and everywhere else considered "cheating" cause they ran faster and casted faster than anyone else disabled the game down to a single core.</p><p>Generally they would have to do a full engine re-write which takes signifigent time to do to make sure every thread is thread safe and to re-enable the other cores which I do feel is in thier long term goals.</p><p>Since you are single core then a amdx2 4400 is basically the performance of a amd 2200 which is quite slow since the speed is calculated based on both cores being used at the same time,  so say a quad core intel 6000 would run as a intel 1500 or 1.5 gig.  The problem with the engine is it was written in a time where multi processor boards were used for servers not home gaming pc's and embedded into a single chip at that.  They can't just predict the future and created the engine in the same mannor anyone of that era would have.</p><p> Flame on <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Thoven
02-22-2007, 02:43 PM
<cite>Llach wrote:</cite><blockquote>I started playing back in beta on an old Athlon XP 2700+, 1gb RAM, Radeon 9700.  Since then I upgraded to an Athlon 3700, 2gb RAM, and have been through a few grahics cards (9700, X850, X850XT PE, 7800, 7900GT and now an 8800GTS 320mb).  Not once in all that time have I had cause to complain about poor performance. My wife plays on a Athlon 64 3500, 2gb value RAM, she started with a X850 and now has my old 7900GT.  No issues for her either. I play on Balanced with a few extra tweaks and she plays on Balanced (with more high detail characters).  If you refuse to even post your issues in the correct forum (Tech Support) and also refuse to post your system specs as requested by the devs (and players), how can you expect anyone to even try to help you solve your issues? Personally I am led to belive you own some PoS E-Machine that just covers the recommended specs and are frankly here to annoy others and have a general [I cannot control my vocabulary] and whine about that. </blockquote><p>Rofl, with a system like that you can only play on balanced? Sir, you're an idiotic fanboy. The game came out in 2004, the recommended specs are relatively low and evidently players with computers that far exceed them can only run on balanced, unless they want to play at 10 FPS. The EQ 2 graphics engine is crap. And for the 100th time, tech support can't do anything about it.</p><p><b>ChildofHate wrote: </b></p><blockquote><p>judging by what's posted here by the OP, i am of the mind it's his computer, regardless what specs it has.  Blaming the game isn't viable.  The quote taken from the guy who got the whoopty-due falcon computer was silly.  I am guessing (both of) you have a ton of crap running in the background.</p></blockquote><p> I don't... he didn't. That was only 1 example of a person having trouble with EQ 2 and I got it by doing a quick google search. Do you want more? </p><p><b>TuinalOfTheNexus wrote:</b> </p><blockquote><p> Your CPU is probably overheating + throttling itself causing the stutter. I run on a machine near the min spec and the game runs smoothly on balanced outside of raids and city zone. Since the engine taxes the CPU more than any other game (including Oblivion), it's commonly the only bit of software you have that causes the core temp to raise to levels where the CPU slows itself down to prevent damage. Simple clearing the dust from the heatsinks and fans in the case can fix the problem.</p></blockquote><p>My CPU is fine, but thanks for the pseudo-computer-engineer response. You almost fooled me into believing that you actually know what you're talking about.</p><p><b>Natak wrote:</b> </p><blockquote> Now on to the crux of your OP. You claim EQ2 is poorly coded. I thoroughly agree. However that coding can be overcome with adjusting settings on your computer both in the game itself, and in your settings for your video card and operating system. Additionally, drivers for various parts of your computer from the video card to the system bios can have effect. </blockquote><p>No, it can't. Do you even understand what "coded poorly" means? The graphics engine needs to be re-written. My computer exceeds the recommended specs; therefore, I shouldn't have any problems running the game on low quality settings. My drivers are all up to date... there's no spyware, or viruses on my computer and I have barely anything running in the backround. In fact, I probably have less stuff running in my backround than most of you.</p><p><b>Levatino wrote:</b> </p><blockquote>having my own gamestore I see a lot of people complaining about games they can't run on there computers. In most of the cases it's people failing to read the back of the games seeing if they can run a game. They look like they see water burning when I explain that Need for speed Carbon can't run on a 10 year old machine.. But also sometimes a computer which is about the recommedation will not run a game smoothly, remember it is recommendent but that also means that if you want it to run smoothly you should have more then recommendent. Recommendent means you can run the game if you set settings to medium. And then I don't even talk about minimum configurations.. Also sometimes some video/graphic cards will not be supported for some games, always look if your card will work with games. Mostly this info can be found on the websites of the developers of these games </blockquote><p>My computer exceeds the<b> recommended</b> specs printed on the side of the box.</p><p>I didn't expect my computer to run it perfectly, but I did expect it not to run like complete crap on the lowest quality settings.</p><p>EQ2 was/is supposed to be optimized for nvidia cards.</p>

interstellarmatter
02-22-2007, 02:49 PM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>Llach wrote: <p>Rofl, with a system like that you can only play on balanced? Sir, you're an idiotic fanboy. .</p></blockquote> Idiotic fanboy?  Ok, now you show your true color.  Shouldn't you be in school little boy?

Ookami-san
02-22-2007, 02:49 PM
My hope is that SoE updates the graphics engine, like they did with EQ1 with Luclin.

Thoven
02-22-2007, 03:15 PM
<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>Llach wrote: <p>Rofl, with a system like that you can only play on balanced? Sir, you're an idiotic fanboy. .</p></blockquote> Idiotic fanboy?  Ok, now you show your true color.  Shouldn't you be in school little boy?</blockquote>Yeah, I don't take kindly to idiotic fanboys who sit in front of their computers all day, posting on their favorite videogame forum, attacking anyone who criticizes the love of their life. Oh, and the school insult was very clever; it was very original and witty.

Amytheyst
02-22-2007, 03:33 PM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>Llach wrote: <p>Rofl, with a system like that you can only play on balanced? Sir, you're an idiotic fanboy. .</p></blockquote> Idiotic fanboy?  Ok, now you show your true color.  Shouldn't you be in school little boy?</blockquote>Yeah, I don't take kindly to idiotic fanboys who sit in front of their computers all day, posting on their favorite videogame forum, attacking anyone who criticizes the love of their life. Oh, and the school insult was very clever; it was very original and witty.</blockquote>Actually, youre just a toy for some bored people. T O Y. Youll need to test your trolling skills on a lesser game/forum to even come close to making people think your complaints are genuine. Heck, even the Vanguard people *might* go easier on you. You have a trash computer, OR, you know absolutely nothing about your computer, OR you are bored yourself. It's ok, coming out of the closet is not as painful as youd belive- the people here will gladly get you up and running if you provide them with specifics, despite your lack of knowledge or hardware eepeenage. You opened yourself up for attack with the attitude and unfounded remarks- way too many people enjoy this game without a burp, and the few out  there with REAL problems can usually be helped. You werent interested in help in the first place. *smacks bobble head* /waves

nimrodblack_EQ2
02-22-2007, 03:51 PM
To quote someone earlier... If you are leaving....can i have your stuff?

Jaggid
02-22-2007, 03:59 PM
<cite>Thoven wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My computer more than meets the <b>recommended </b>hardware requirements for Everquest 2 and yet, I need to set the graphics options to the lowest settings (Ultra Performance), or the game is almost unplayable. And even on the lowest graphics settings, it still runs badly. So on my computer, EQ2 runs poorly and looks as though the game was made in the 1990s - Everquest 1 looked better at these settings and it ran better too. Everquest 2 must be using the most inefficient graphics engine known to man. It's unfortunate because I think Everquest 2 has a lot to offer.</p></blockquote> LOL I cranked my up over the weekend, for giggles, I was supprised on what I was missing.  I don't think it is that bad and if you are having to play on the lowest settings, then your system isn't all that.

ChildofHate
02-22-2007, 04:08 PM
<p>Do a complete format and restore.  Patch everything in the order it should be.  Install only EQ2 and run a full patch on it.  Cleanup your system and Defrag it.  Then play.  If this doesn't solve your problems then you have hardware issues... be it bad memory, overheating CPU and or Videocard, underpowered because you have a low wattage PSU.</p><p>My fiance's comp is an Athlon XP 3000+ with a ATI 9800Pro and 2gig of ram.  She runs just fine at high quality quality.  I bumped her textures to max but dropped her shadows to minimum.  Aside from minor hiccups due to spell effects like the necro spell that makes the skeletal hand come out of the ground, her comp is fine.</p><p>Take a proactive step in trying to fix it yourself.  Between my computer slamming through the game at MAX Quality like a bull in a china shop and my fiance's comp churning through it just fine at a slightly modified version of High Quality, your issues only point to one single fact:  it's your computer.  Whether it's hardware or some other software mess you have installed, i dont know.  But it's not EQ2.  As stated, neither her nor my comp is "cutting edge" but they do exceemd the recommended hardware" as you have claimed your's does.  Stop trying to save face for all your whining and try to fix your computer so you can enjoy the game.  Life's much better that way.</p><p>If not, stop playing.  Why continue to make yourself miserable?  It's easier and cheaper simply to slam your face into a rough hewn brick block to be unhappy then it is to pay for EQ2 and play it in such a terrible state as you seem to imply you have to "suffer with".  Heck, i'll even send you the block so you dont have to pay for that!</p>

Levatino
02-22-2007, 04:10 PM
Thoven wrote:<blockquote><p>My computer exceeds the<b> recommended</b> specs printed on the side of the box.</p><p>I didn't expect my computer to run it perfectly, but I did expect it not to run like complete crap on the lowest quality settings.</p><p>EQ2 was/is supposed to be optimized for nvidia cards.</p></blockquote> so you say, well what are those specs then? Cause exceeding the recommedations is a bit wide spectrum to even comment any further..

Echgar
02-22-2007, 04:10 PM
This thread appears to be getting a bit out of hand with the insults and namecalling, so I am going to close the thread. If you wish to discuss your computer setup and any EQII related issues you are having with it, please see the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/forums/show.m?forum_id=4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Technical Help and Questions Forum</a>.