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Melodar
02-19-2007, 09:46 AM
I was in a group in Ruins of Varsoon we were NBG group. We had one guy who thought he should dictate who got what loot. And he was only interested in the drops related to the Paly and Inquis. A BP dropped that had an effect on it but wasnt a major thing that stated it was a tank item so both rolled on it and the guy was insisting only the tank should get. Well inquis could use and was upgrade so he rolled. The next piece was a shoulder item that both could use but it had taunt on it. The loot decider wasnt there for this roll and the Inquis told the tank to take it as it fit his role better. The next item was Pants with a thorn proc of 1% that was good for both Paly and Inquis both rolled despite the protests of other guy stating only tank should get. Both the Inquis and Paly were happy with rolls so far only this loot decider was upset. Have any of you had a person like this? Keep in mind the Inquis has to solo alot due to play times.

lmhotep
02-19-2007, 09:49 AM
<p>/ignore playername is all you need to do to fix your issue.</p><p>Yes there are many players like that especialy seeing some people think they know it all...</p>

erin
02-19-2007, 11:28 AM
I would have been fairly blunt. "Inq, are you satisfied with the rolls?"  Inquisitor says yes. "Pally, are you satisfied with the rolls?" Pally says yes. "Loot decider, please knock it off.  The people who are actually eligible for the roll are fine with the loot distribution, its not your call.  If you continue, I will boot you from the group." And then boot him next time.  He was causing disharmony and making the group less fun, which is plenty enough reason to boot someone.

Zagats
02-19-2007, 11:49 AM
<p>As far as I'm concerned, if your class is listed, you can roll on it.</p><p>I was doing Varsoon with a group yesterday.  The lamia dropped a master chest, inside was a ranger master, Spring.  (The group was paladin [me], a ranger, a wizard, inquisitor, and ..soemthing else.)</p><p>The wizard had decided to roll on the master for whatever reason...and won.  I said "Grats to the ranger" and the wizard said "thank you".  I said "No, you dont understand - give it to the ranger please".  The ranger expressed that she did need that spell, but the jerk never gave it to her.  He logged out quickly.</p><p> I found him online later and confronted him, and he tossed out several lies about saying the ranger didnt need it, or she didnt say anything, or (my favorite) "But, I need money!"</p><p>I dont think I was wrong to tell the wizard to give the master to the ranger.  I was dictating loot, but only because the wizard was being too greedy to use basic NBG principles.  BTW that wizard also won an illusionist master earlier in that group.  I will make sure no one that I know groups with him.</p>

FairysTear
02-19-2007, 01:12 PM
<p>I think the greed gets the best of some people . I try to be a  very kind person , I totally play with NBG. I dont even think about it for 1 second when someone in my group says " I need that" I just give it up. I probably get scammed all the time but you know what , I dont care. I would rather be fair all the time and get burned once or twice then be greedy ever.  This hasnt hurt my char IMHO. I am not poor, at level 30 I have over 5pp and a very kewl horse, good gear and all my spells almost where I want them to be. I need money too but I dont have to be greedy to get it.  I find that groups that I group with get to know me and they NEVER second guess me when I am the one to say " I need that" . </p><p>Hehe I joined a new group yesterday and the leader had the loot options set to lotto. Well after a bit I got asked in group why I wasnt rolling on anything ( it shows your roll when a few roll), I explained that nothing I could use had dropped and I saw that each item that had dropped was useable by one class or another in our group. I got 5 Thank yous bang just like that and I also noticed that anything I wanted I got after that .  I did roll on a tradeskill book and after winning it , a group mate told me he needed it. I put the book in a trade window and hit accept, he tried to give me gold for it and I refused. Again you would have thought I did something crazy wonderful from his reaction. </p><p>I was solo in Stormhold and had some nice pally items in my bags from killing. This pally sends me a me a tell asking to grp up as he was having trouble. We start killing and I notice I am having a way harder time with him then alone. I inspect him, his gear has little to no stats (is 2 stam but no health or power). I gave him a pair of boots with 20 health and power on them as well as a pally spell I looted. Again you would think I gave him the moon. </p><p>My point being  the good things you do come back to you , even if it is just in reputation.  The bad things you do also come back to you , when no one will group with you cause u r a greedy Mo Fo. </p>

SteelPiston
02-19-2007, 03:20 PM
<p>I wish they would fix the most annoying thing in this game for me...the message that tells everyone in a group who won an item. Many times I win an item fair and square in a roll, only to have the local beggars pleading with me that they need that master for an alt or something. I'm all for the roll or no roll prompt, but please SOE..take away that stupid message. It's just not needed and makes for confrontation. Why not make the loot a complete surprise to whomever wins it? Then that Wiz would never know that you just won a Wiz Master 1. Other games that I play don't have all this petty loot squabbling.</p>

MasterRaistl
02-19-2007, 04:26 PM
here's something very simple that the majority of people just don't get.... If a drop is class specific and you have that class in the group/raid, wait until they say if they need it or not instead of just immediately clicking loot. Not only that CHECK ITEMS before clicking loot instead of just clicking madly. I think it's just common courtesy and it would solve a lot of "give that to so-and-so" problems. I realize the game is fast paced at times...but take a break from your A.D.D killing for one second to sort out loot properly.

erin
02-20-2007, 01:08 AM
<cite>MasterRaistlin wrote:</cite><blockquote>here's something very simple that the majority of people just don't get.... If a drop is class specific and you have that class in the group/raid, wait until they say if they need it or not instead of just immediately clicking loot. Not only that CHECK ITEMS before clicking loot instead of just clicking madly. I think it's just common courtesy and it would solve a lot of "give that to so-and-so" problems. I realize the game is fast paced at times...but take a break from your A.D.D killing for one second to sort out loot properly. </blockquote>Honestly I have to disagree.  If its not no-trade, hit accept immediately and keep moving.  You are slowing down the whole group with excessive loot obsession.  Just hit accept, then if someone says they can use, give it to them at the first opportunity (preferably immediately).  Only rarely will something drop that someone claims NBG, unless its an instance or unless its a very low level group, at least in my experience.  Usually 1 or 2 items for a grind group will be claimed by someone.  If everyone spent time checking each item to see who might be able to use it, you are just wasting time.  Better for everyone to accept and then hand it over.  Plus, your way leads to people hitting decline on anything needed by any class in the group, and losing out on loot that they should have rolled on, because the class that can use it doesn't need it.  Being nice is fine, but being nice (respecting NBG) doesn't require you to hand over anything that might be used by another class, you hand over what they express need for. Or you can do it your way and stop after every chest drop to see if maybe someone might need it.  But I think my way is just as fair and a lot faster, and what most groups I've been in practice.

Melodar
02-20-2007, 01:52 AM
<p>I agree with erin on making sure items arent no-drop then rolling on and passing out if asked for. Steelpiston from what i read is the example of greed and the problem we have. Everyone in the group is working together to get a goal if during this time an item drops a class in that group can use then they should get but the alts thing is out. A message stating you won something and are being a greedy butt and not letting the one who can use have is a good thing so people know what kind of person they are grouped with.</p><p>Thanks all for your replies.</p>

pandemonium73
02-20-2007, 06:13 AM
<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MasterRaistlin wrote:</cite><blockquote>here's something very simple that the majority of people just don't get.... If a drop is class specific and you have that class in the group/raid, wait until they say if they need it or not instead of just immediately clicking loot. Not only that CHECK ITEMS before clicking loot instead of just clicking madly. I think it's just common courtesy and it would solve a lot of "give that to so-and-so" problems. I realize the game is fast paced at times...but take a break from your A.D.D killing for one second to sort out loot properly. </blockquote>Honestly I have to disagree.  If its not no-trade, hit accept immediately and keep moving.  You are slowing down the whole group with excessive loot obsession.  Just hit accept, then if someone says they can use, give it to them at the first opportunity (preferably immediately).  Only rarely will something drop that someone claims NBG, unless its an instance or unless its a very low level group, at least in my experience.  Usually 1 or 2 items for a grind group will be claimed by someone.  If everyone spent time checking each item to see who might be able to use it, you are just wasting time.  Better for everyone to accept and then hand it over.  Plus, your way leads to people hitting decline on anything needed by any class in the group, and losing out on loot that they should have rolled on, because the class that can use it doesn't need it.  Being nice is fine, but being nice (respecting NBG) doesn't require you to hand over anything that might be used by another class, you hand over what they express need for. Or you can do it your way and stop after every chest drop to see if maybe someone might need it.  But I think my way is just as fair and a lot faster, and what most groups I've been in practice. </blockquote>I agree with this, though if I win anything I've clicked for, in any small downtimes I will double check my items to make sure I haven't won something someone can use, and send a quick tell asking them if they can use it. I do this because I know some unassuming people who just wouldn't ask for things from a stranger, period, and if I win something that someone can use and I've never seen them ask for anything, I send them a tell just in case they are one of these folks. There is nothing wrong with those who pipe up and say I need this, but from personal experience I have learned to double check for those types who won't do this. Some may be this way because they are shy and don't know anyone in group, some won't do it because they feel it is impolite, others are really independent and don't ask for help, items, etc. unless they are offered, and still others just don't care enough to worry about it, but if asked and they DO need an item, will take it and gratefully use it.  Some have told me that, if someone can't pipe up with what they need then they don't deserve it, but I think that is bunk. Some of the most awesome, steadfast, and intelligent people I know fall into this category and they are the way they are because diversity is beautiful. I don't forget these types because I really appreciate their contributions and because there are so many of them, but they are so quiet and good natured it is easy to overlook them. People complain about how many greedy people there are in this game, but from my grouping experience, I know that for every argumentative loot hoarder I've met, I've run into 3 or 4 or 5 folks who just play the game cheerfully no matter who rolls for what and who wins what, and don't ask for a thing but a chance to kill cooler stuff.  Anyway, my 2cp about this whole thing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Norrsken
02-20-2007, 07:06 AM
When Im grouping, I tend to roll for everything that is not No-Trade. If someone needs it, I'll give it to them after the roll is done. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Also, when I am out solo farming namdes, I am more than happy to invite people hanging around for a chance at the rolls. Never quite understood the hole greed thing really. OMGZ! I can make imaginary money in an imaginary world if I am a REAL [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Whee. Quite a trade!

TheBu
02-20-2007, 11:38 AM
<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would have been fairly blunt. "Inq, are you satisfied with the rolls?"  Inquisitor says yes. "Pally, are you satisfied with the rolls?" Pally says yes. "Loot decider, please knock it off.  The people who are actually eligible for the roll are fine with the loot distribution, its not your call.  If you continue, I will boot you from the group." And then boot him next time.  He was causing disharmony and making the group less fun, which is plenty enough reason to boot someone. </blockquote><p> ther u go...</p><p>I would put up front that u thank them for their conseration of the tank but they are both tank and inq are ok with it, and they are very happy they both won something on the run. You should try not to block them into a corner. As far as the BP with haste. . .yea every plate toon can use that to kill stuff. The taunt shoulder.. .yea that a tank. and the 1% proc.. whaterver. </p>

Jai1
02-20-2007, 12:22 PM
Guy sounds like he's practicing to be a raid leader in a merit loot guild. 

Quellos
02-20-2007, 06:38 PM
I think they should take a note from the way WoW does it. There are two buttons, a need button and a greed button. If you don't need it roll greed. First the rolls for need are calculated, and it is given to the winner. if there are NO need rollers, then the greed rolls determine who gets the drop. Works great. If someone repeatedly rolls need when they clearly don't, well /ignore them.

Marcula
02-20-2007, 07:28 PM
<p><span style="color: #00ccff">In the whole debate it will always come down to the individual person, and what they decide to do in a group situation. I have grouped with NBGers, Free-for-all and only our guild gets.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">I play by the NBG sytem period.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff3300"><u><b>NBG </b></u></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">~ Always check to make sure none of the items are "No Trade" and everyone randoms. If someone wins something someone needs the we offer it or the peron asks for it. The item/spell is passed over without question.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">~  Alts do not count in this senario and seeing as some people have 9 alts they get no rights</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">~ Item in question has to be an upgrade, if you already have or its inferior armor then its FFA <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">I have been in situatutions where there is always that one person who bends the definition. One example - I was in a raid (mixed guilds)as one of only three level 40's (I was only tank) and the rest of the raid was all high 50's and 60/70 mentored down to get raid mob AA. A very nice Fabled breastplate dropped that was clearly an upgrade for me. I asked for it after but the winner (a Wiz) refused to give it to me because it was within 35 MIT of my current one.....regardlesss that the other stats were way higher. I checked broker after as I was curious and sure enough it was for sale for 15plat. ~ Not cool. <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><u><b>Free-for-all</b></u></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">~ Everyone has a random chance everytime to roll and win everything</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">~ If there is a "No Trade" item that is class specific to someone in the group then you do not roll on it.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">~ If someone needs something you won you can give it to them or sell it to them <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">I </span><span style="color: #0000ff">am sure a ton of you have been in a group with someone who clicks roll a nano second after the screen pops up. Had someone roll on and win a Summoner only item for my Necro which was uber for me.....no trade and only worth a couple gold to him as vender trash. ~ Not cool. <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><u><b>Only our guild rolls</b></u></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">~ If you join our group then you are not allowed to roll on anything regardless if you need or not. I have no problem with this if they are camping a mob and agree to you joining not because they need you - but to help you get the mob you need. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"> Its utter bull if a group is in need of a tank and tries to pull that guild only crap since they are not able to succeed killing it without you - I will not group with this form of loot dispersal. <img src="/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff">In the end it comes down to what you can agree on before grouping. If someone breaks these conditions then hey have the negative effects of reputation and bad Karma to deal with. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ccff00">Wanderingwilly - Proud member of "Tree"</span></p><p><span style="color: #ccff00">                         - Paladin of the 64th order of merit</span></p><p><span style="color: #ccff00">                         - Level 70 Master Armorer</span></p>