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Maryk
02-16-2007, 07:55 PM
<p>I'm a professional harvester...its something I enjoy doing.  I've just spent several days harvesting my brains out and all I got to show for it is some imbuing material...3 Luminous Stones.  I'm talking hundreds and hundreds of nodes.  I focus primarily on ore/stone and wood in tier 5...everything except food in tier 6.  Has anyone else noticed this?  Is this cyclic...something the game goes through every now and then?</p><p>Please...no one right back and say "...that's why they're called rares...," I realize that...but I've harvested enough to get a good general feel for the rate at which rares pop.</p><p>If some dynamic in the game has changed...I'm OK with that.  Maybe you have to increase the new skill everyone has...the investigation skill...in order to get a better rate of rares popping.  I don't know.  Anyone any ideas?</p>

sayitaintso
02-16-2007, 07:58 PM
Maybe they have made them more rare to try to discourage the node bots that sell in game coin to plat sellers? Who knows, maybe you just had a string of bad luck? It's doubtful that you would ever get an official response from SOE about such... Frankly it has always taken me at least an 90 minutes per rare in T6/7 to get one rare...That's why it's hard to believe that the toons on the Top Rares Harvested list are not BOTs...do the math, and you will see the only way they possibly could harvest that many on such a short time is play nearly non stop...not to mention leveling to 70? How do they do it?

Maryk
02-16-2007, 08:03 PM
<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe they have made them more rare to try to discourage the node bots that sell in game coin to plat sellers? Who knows, maybe you just had a string of bad luck? It's doubtful that you would ever get an official response from SOE about such... </blockquote>That's not a bad point...the plat sellers...maybe they're doing something there.  I know SOE will never say anything but just looking for some confirmation from other players...or like you said...maybe just a string of bad luck.

Thunderthyze
02-16-2007, 08:16 PM
<p>There is no rhyme nor reason to it. If I had to state an opinion I would say that rares drop less frequently today than they did say a year ago but short term fluctuations are more likely the RNG being less than a friend to you. Probably tomorrow you will have 3 rares off the same node.</p><p>/shrug</p>

Natak
02-16-2007, 08:25 PM
I would say bad luck is your culprit. The chance of a rare is relatively the same each time you click harvest. I have seen days where I walked out with 8-9 Tier 6 rares, and about a dozen uncommons. Other times I was lucky to get even one out of 8 hours worth of housework/harvesting/tv watching.

thedu
02-16-2007, 08:32 PM
Just the RNG. I got 4 T1 rares each on two alt's last night.

Rijacki
02-16-2007, 08:41 PM
The Random Number Generator is -very- streaky.  I've actually been harvesting rares with Rijacki lately where in the past I've only gotten a scattering of imbue items at most with her and a good number of rares (same area, same approximate time, same approximate time of day) with another character.  For Rijacki it might have been moving back to AB which shook up the RNG and improved her luck, I dunno <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I'm just glad her luck changed... though it has been annoying at times to get rares when I've been looking for commons *laugh*

shuru
02-16-2007, 09:26 PM
I thought it was just me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , but I also have spent a large amount of time over the last week and a half harvesting every night, and have very little to show for it. I have a set path in the Feerrott where I harvest everything (bushes, dens, the works) in hopes to get lucky from some ore...and log most nights with nothing. After the first few days I thought I was just having bad luck...but I checked the broker for Ebon clusters and noticed the usual 20 or so clusters that are for sale normally, had dropped to 3. Each night I have checked the broker since then, and there hasn't been more then 3-4 clusters for sale at any time....cheapest 1pp upwards to 6pp per cluster.... Some nights there is only 1 cluster up. So it's not just me experiencing the bad luck... Hopefully the RNG is kind to me when I get home today <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (as a side note...Tier 3 &4 seems to be the same as ever...and the broker reflects that too)

Lortet
02-16-2007, 09:28 PM
<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe they have made them more rare to try to discourage the node bots that sell in game coin to plat sellers? </blockquote> I don't think this is a valid argument - surely the rarer the item, the less likely that the casual gamer will come across one, and that the farmers will be the only ones putting in enough time to find them - and the price will go up - hardly discouraging a farmer.

Thunderthyze
02-17-2007, 04:17 AM
<cite>shuruga wrote:</cite><blockquote>I thought it was just me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , but I also have spent a large amount of time over the last week and a half harvesting every night, and have very little to show for it. I have a set path in the Feerrott where I harvest everything (bushes, dens, the works) in hopes to get lucky from some ore...and log most nights with nothing. After the first few days I thought I was just having bad luck...but I checked the broker for Ebon clusters and noticed the usual 20 or so clusters that are for sale normally, had dropped to 3. Each night I have checked the broker since then, and there hasn't been more then 3-4 clusters for sale at any time....cheapest 1pp upwards to 6pp per cluster.... Some nights there is only 1 cluster up. So it's not just me experiencing the bad luck... Hopefully the RNG is kind to me when I get home today <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (as a side note...Tier 3 &4 seems to be the same as ever...and the broker reflects that too) </blockquote> Best place for ebon? Top end of Lavastorm. You've usually got the place to yourself and the nodes are highly visible allowing you minimal downtime moving around. Has to be said however that in my experience t5 is the rarest of them all and I harvest t1-7, all nodes.

Iseabeil
02-17-2007, 06:05 AM
<cite>shuruga wrote:</cite><blockquote>I thought it was just me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , but I also have spent a large amount of time over the last week and a half harvesting every night, and have very little to show for it. I have a set path in the Feerrott where I harvest everything (bushes, dens, the works) in hopes to get lucky from some ore...and log most nights with nothing. After the first few days I thought I was just having bad luck...but I checked the broker for Ebon clusters and noticed the usual 20 or so clusters that are for sale normally, had dropped to 3. Each night I have checked the broker since then, and there hasn't been more then 3-4 clusters for sale at any time....cheapest 1pp upwards to 6pp per cluster.... Some nights there is only 1 cluster up. So it's not just me experiencing the bad luck... Hopefully the RNG is kind to me when I get home today <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (as a side note...Tier 3 &4 seems to be the same as ever...and the broker reflects that too) </blockquote><p> Also a possibility those selling were infact EULA breakers and got banned, hard to say, but its possible, or tinkerers that gone into t6.</p><p>My experiences on rares... they are rare when ye look for them. During my wild harvest spree to get my tinkering to 350, I easilie pulled a medium of 10 rare loams, 10 rare metals, loads of rare wood, roots and pelts each tier. In tier 5 I got enough cedar from occassionally hopping the wood nodes to make two chairs for my fireplace, one bookshelf and to fill an ironwood round table with chairs around (think its 7 or <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I have almost a stack ebon on my carpenter that I dunno what to do with as the open flames lag my houses badly. </p><p>Sacrifice to the RNG gods and harvest with the hope of finding somethin that isnt a rare, and they will pop all over :p</p>

Novusod
02-17-2007, 08:12 AM
If you don't get a rare in the first 15 minutes you not likely to get one in next couple of hours of harvesting either.

Hollywood
02-17-2007, 10:35 AM
I got 9 rares and 3 semi-rares in a little over an hour a couple of days ago... the next day I got 1 rare in 2 hours of harvesting.  So I don't think they've done anything, just randomness, in as far as their RNG is actually random <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Spyderbite
02-17-2007, 02:40 PM
<cite>Thunderthyze wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There is no rhyme nor reason to it. If I had to state an opinion I would say that rares drop less frequently today than they did say a year ago but short term fluctuations are more likely the RNG being less than a friend to you. Probably tomorrow you will have 3 rares off the same node.</p><p>/shrug</p></blockquote> /nods I harvest several times a day, every day of the week. There just seem to be days or sessions where I can't find a rare to save my life and others when I'm pulling a rare off of just about every node I glance at. RNG is just not being your friend I suspect. I don't recommend buying a lottery ticket until this streak of bad luck blows over for you. <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

sayitaintso
02-17-2007, 06:15 PM
I just finished a 4 hour harvest session....T6 SS and PoF....i got 1 rough pearl in 4 hours...That seems a little low to me...

Zard
02-17-2007, 11:43 PM
<p>I recently harvested over 10 stacks (500+) of Fulginate Clusters -- plus uncounted loams! -- and did not harvest a <i>single</i> Ebon Cluster or Strange Black Ore. This was exclusively within Lavastorm, near Solusek's Eye,  with a 350 mining skill.</p><p>Rare hard metals are far too rare, imo. And, for some reason, Ebon (T5) and Steel Clusters (T3) seem more rare than Feysteel (T4) or Cobalt Clusters (T6).</p>

Maryk
02-18-2007, 01:41 PM
<p>Regarding the OP...the RNG gods are starting to be friendly to me again...they're not knocking my socks off but they're definitely being more merciful.</p><p>Just a note to anyone for future reference...there are times when the RNG galactic force is against you...be patient...go away amd come back to it.</p><p>Yesterday...Rough Ruby, Ebon Cluster, roots, loam, hide, all rares.  Though...I have yet in my lifetime to pop a rough pearl.</p>

baddogshaun
02-18-2007, 07:59 PM
<p>First time out today I got 4 full rares and 2 imbues off not more than 30 nodes in the commonlands. Second time out I got nothing at all from over 100. usual form from my perspective.</p>

sayitaintso
02-18-2007, 11:19 PM
<cite>baddogshaun wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>First time out today I got 4 full rares and 2 imbues off not more than 30 nodes in the commonlands. Second time out I got nothing at all from over 100. usual form from my perspective.</p></blockquote> Try the T6 and T7 stuff...it might be the RNG, but it seems harder to find rares in the top tiers...

BladeLo
03-31-2008, 12:07 PM
Two of my guildies just reached level 70 and needed rares for their spells.Off they went to kylong.  3 days later they are like...."How do I find a rare out here?"So off I go to help them4 days later Iam asking the same question.Something has changed and changed pretty drastically when 3 of us cannot find but 7 incarnadine, 2 fire emeralds NO silicate loams and 1 hidebound pelt in 7 days of rare gathering that probably encompassed about 40 hours of time spent.If rares are that rare, time to put them in chests that drop off mobs and make the plat farmers have to fight these really tough mobs to get rares to sell.  But at least the rest of us would have some hope of being able to have our adept 3 spells made.

ShashLigai
03-31-2008, 12:18 PM
<p>Its just my opinion mind you, but one way to control the bots is to control the economy. The easiest way to do that is to limit the maximum number of rares on the market at any one time. An easy way to do this is to lower the chances of harvesting a rare as the number of rares on the market approaches the max, and to increase the chances as the rares are consumed.</p><p>I have no justification for this opinion, it just seemed to be the way I would do it if I was SOE. and it would explain the variation in harvesting many of us are experiencing.</p>

Rqron
03-31-2008, 12:38 PM
<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just finished a 4 hour harvest session....T6 SS and PoF....i got 1 rough pearl in 4 hours...That seems a little low to me... </blockquote>It goes in cycles.It is my guess that there are several "node options" that can be loaded by SOE to control the availability of rares if there is a flood of them and prices are collapsing. It would be strange indeed for them not to do so.There are some streaks of time where everyone you talk to has absolutely no luck finding anything and rares are at an all time high on the broker..then there are times where it is plentiful not only on the broker but also to be found. It is like this in nearly every zone.Of course, the second cycle that is close related is the "harvesting" cycle. Items get rare, and as such expensive..a lot of times after SOE has removed some plat farmers. Now everyone goes out and harvests because a: they don't want / can't pay the high price on the broker or b: they want to cash in on the high prices.. this of course will result in more rares being available and the price to come down to a point where people stop harvesting...and the cycle starts again.I generally try to keep at least 20 of each rare in the bank to weather out those valleys and even though I do harvest at least 50% of my game time I do not mind buying rares if they are on the broker en mass and cheap..not for resale but to store them in the bank for future use. This gives me the ability to craft without high cost during times when the rare on the broker is outrageous.Besides that, I found 3 alkali loams, 1 pearl, 2 vanadium and 2 cobalt in about 4 hours yesterday so it does not seem to be that bad..also prices on the broker are not as high as they are in times of low availability.J.C.

Rqron
03-31-2008, 12:49 PM
<cite>BladeLore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Two of my guildies just reached level 70 and needed rares for their spells.Off they went to kylong.  3 days later they are like...."How do I find a rare out here?"So off I go to help them4 days later Iam asking the same question.Something has changed and changed pretty drastically when 3 of us cannot find but 7 incarnadine, 2 fire emeralds NO silicate loams and 1 hidebound pelt in 7 days of rare gathering that probably encompassed about 40 hours of time spent.If rares are that rare, time to put them in chests that drop off mobs and make the plat farmers have to fight these really tough mobs to get rares to sell.  But at least the rest of us would have some hope of being able to have our adept 3 spells made.</blockquote>And yet, I see lvl 70 characters with scrambled names run around in circles in Jarsath waste for hours upon hours upon hours harvesting ore. If you look at the broker you see them having 10,20 or more of T8 rares listed anywhere between 1 and 5P a piece. I found that a lot of times nodes that get harvested a lot actually give more rares then nodes that are not. So, plant yourself at the Azure needle near the Danak shipyard. As long as you are staying in the lower area (where the rhinos are) there is no agro. Watch those plat farmers run through and watch those nodes spawn. They always spawn on the same spot +- a little and if you and your friends positioning yourself along that ridge you will always be faster at the node when they spawn then the plat farmers. I am always farming there between doing writs and never leave the area without several rares. Of course, I am also doing several sets of writs so it seems I spend a lot of time there these days :=)).J.C.

Illmarr
03-31-2008, 12:58 PM
<p>What can you say? I doubt there is some black hat stealth change to it. Sunday my Carpenter had just finished up the quest for the Picnic Basket recipe in Rivervale and I needed another Ebon. 45 minutes later harvesting in Rivervale I had my ebon plus 3 figworts.</p><p>T8 has been streaky for me. I'll get a couple of rares a day for several days harvesting while questing, then I'll go a week without getting one. </p><p>My experience is that it has not changed dramatically recently</p>

Bored
03-31-2008, 01:09 PM
In an attempt to save plat I decided to set out and try to harvest 7 Xegs yesterday. Spent probably around 4 or 5 hours at the Stonesetter area in BS. Ended up with around 1200 clusters, 1300 loams, 4 xegs, 6 rare loams (spacing the name of them).  Granted this was only 1 tier of harvesting, but I think that overall that is a great turnout of rares...though i would have been happier with 3 more xegs and 3 less rare loams. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

deKoven
04-02-2008, 10:48 AM
Hmm, spent 2.6 hrs yesterday harvesting (in order to up hvst skills so I could move on to the next area.) I received 11 Glimmering Material, 1 Palladium and 6 other rares, including one Oak. This is not unusual; happens to me all the time. I just seem, by others' standards, to be one of the lucky ones. Few months ago I took a toon to Feerrott and harvested over 2 days. Got 30 some rares outta there. I did note that the OP said that he was harvesting from only a couple or three types. This is a misteak of the highest order. Harvest 'em all; don't matter what they are. If you can't use them perhaps your guildie buds will, or you might try asking if someone wants the stuff. Failing that you can always dump them or broker them. Also, buy the latest, fanciest harvesting tools to use. You'll be surprised at the diff. I'm one of those who can't stand the Tradeskilling part of EQ; I have no toons that have TSing skills at all. I harvest because some quests require you to have harvest skills so I keep the skills up. In addition, I do make some gelt by selling on the broker.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Rqron
04-02-2008, 11:56 AM
<cite>[email protected] DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>In an attempt to save plat I decided to set out and try to harvest 7 Xegs yesterday. Spent probably around 4 or 5 hours at the Stonesetter area in BS. Ended up with around 1200 clusters, 1300 loams, 4 xegs, 6 rare loams (spacing the name of them).  Granted this was only 1 tier of harvesting, but I think that overall that is a great turnout of rares...though i would have been happier with 3 more xegs and 3 less rare loams. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>Wanna trade? i give ye 3 xegonite for 3 rare t7 loams :=))J.C.

Todra_B
04-03-2008, 03:29 AM
<p>I can say with out a doubt the RNG hates me. I still plug away trying to harvest fire emeralds for my 74, soon 75 Fury. Rares in RoK are VERY Rare. My harvest spot is the tunnel behind the Druid ring by Terren's Grasp. Only one wandering aggro (and plenty of Sokokar traffic) to deal with every so often.</p><p>I'm sure some on the Kithicor server that frequent that area have seen the red Dwarf riding up and down the tunnel hitting every node in site. So far I've found enough emeralds to get AD3's for all spells as I've leveled, I have six in my bag now. I also have 7 hidebound pelts and I'm undecided on getting a full MC set of leather armor. I have a friend that will pay the lowest broker rate for any Tynonnium clusters I find. Incarnadine seems to be the most common rare for me (and everyone else it seems,seeing the broker prices). The rarest treasure is silicate loam. I hit one yesterday and put it out on the broker for 4p 25g. This has all come with hours of harvest time.</p><p>Good luck with your harvesting.</p>

yzyh
04-03-2008, 10:17 AM
<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe they have made them more rare to try to discourage the node bots that sell in game coin to plat sellers? Who knows, maybe you just had a string of bad luck? It's doubtful that you would ever get an official response from SOE about such...Frankly it has always taken me at least an 90 minutes per rare in T6/7 to get one rare...That's why it's hard to believe that the toons on the Top Rares Harvested list are not BOTs...do the math, and you will see the only way they possibly could harvest that many on such a short time is play nearly non stop...not to mention leveling to 70? How do they do it?</blockquote><p>This make no sense. Making the rare rarer wouldn,t change anything to anyoe using a both to harvest 24/24.</p><p>Yeah he would get less rare per hours but they would sell for more (rarer mean less supply for the same demand so price goes up).</p><p>Actualy it would maybe even have the reverse effect. Many casual player wouldn,t spend hours to harvest while hunting if they would get 1rare per week. </p>

Thunderthyze
04-03-2008, 11:38 AM
<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just finished a 4 hour harvest session....T6 SS and PoF....i got 1 rough pearl in 4 hours...That seems a little low to me...</blockquote><p>I would have seen the writing on the wall a little sooner has to be said. Presumably though you were doing it to stock up on raws rather than hunting for rares per sé?</p><p>Sometimes when I'm harvesting in Zek it can actually vex me quite a bit when I pull a feysteel rather than the feyiron I'm needing to level up my alts <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> . Of course if it's a 10+1 then I am prepared to come to terms with that <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />.</p>

Guy De Alsace
04-03-2008, 02:04 PM
<p>Since Epics arrived, T5 stuff seems to be much rarer. Trying to find cedar has become next to impossible. Also I've not yet found a single incarnadine, tynnonium or fire emerald from any node in any RoK zone. [Removed for Content] RNG hates me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I think they bumped up the strength of mastercrafted recently so they may have stealth nerfed the drop rates a little...?</p>

FireDragon
04-04-2008, 05:03 AM
Its just really random.  You are either lucky or you are not.Ive spent all day harvesting before now and not got a single rare.Then the next day i'm running to a group, i pass a node.. decide to click it, boom, rare on my first node when i'm not ven really harvesting.  its that random.My friend got 2 ebon clusters within a minute of each other 2-3 days ago, after harvesting all day and not getting a single thing to show for it, and he was getting pretty frustrated.  Its all just RNG weirdness.

Thunderthyze
04-04-2008, 05:23 AM
<cite>[email protected] Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Its just really random.  You are either lucky or you are not.</blockquote><p>Well.......</p><p>There is the body of opinion as espoused by the "conspiracy theorists" that although it is based on the RNG the "seed" for that generator is contained within one's account or account name. As, like it or not, some people are regularly more "lucky" than others.</p><p>And don't even START me on the RNG for looting <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

StormCinder
04-04-2008, 10:03 AM
<cite>ShashLigai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Its just my opinion mind you, but one way to control the bots is to control the economy. The easiest way to do that is to limit the maximum number of rares on the market at any one time. An easy way to do this is to lower the chances of harvesting a rare as the number of rares on the market approaches the max, and to increase the chances as the rares are consumed.</p><p>I have no justification for this opinion, it just seemed to be the way I would do it if I was SOE. and it would explain the variation in harvesting many of us are experiencing.</p></blockquote><p>While interesting on paper, I'm not sure this would work in practice for a couple of different reasons.  Most importantly, it would require management of drop rates by SOE by server.  Granted, it would be handled programmagically, but would still require some kind of hands on management for each server.  Secondly, it would allow more resourceful players to manipulate the market.  Someone can hold on to a certain type or types of rares.  They can have 450 palladium on the market at 13 pp, and 20 on the market for 1pp.  The system would see that there are hundreds and hundreds of palladium on the market, so drop rate would drop to near nil, forcing people to purchase at the market manipulater's price of 1pp.  When he/she needs to increase their stockpile, simply remove the 450 stack of palladium, the software responds by kicking up drop rates, they send out their harverster for 12-24 hours to pick up the now plentiful rares, then dump the 450 stack back on to 'turn off the faucet.'</p><p>I've done a lot of research (on my servers) into rare quantities and rare pricing.  You do see some toons selling abnormal volumes of rares (as described above) and you see a wide variety of pricing.  Not all of these sellers are 'alphabet soup' type names.  Some of them are well known players (as well as frequent posters on the forums).</p><p>I think the market is one of those mini-games that the devs didn't necessarily anticipate a few years ago.  Some people play the market.  Just as some people purely like to craft.  Some people purely like to decorate houses.  There are people who are the 'stock brokers' of Norrath.  It's just another (interesting) element in the evolution of MMOs.  Just as the price of gas in the US is affected by supply and demand as well as the trading of oil commodities, so the prices of rares in Norrath are affected by supply and demand as well as the 'marketeers' of Norrath.</p><p>SC</p><p>PS.  The 'real' tin-foil hat' people believe that there is NO RNG.  Every single drop is programmed and controlled. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Lilj
04-04-2008, 11:33 AM
It's rather interesting to see a thread that is from february 2007 pop up again and people continue the discussion like it was started yesterday <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />And it's really funny to see that some posters had a different posting name back in 2007 <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> *points a finger on HolyMoly*I'm not complaining, it's just interesting to see, that's all. Carry on <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />