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Drelgin
02-14-2007, 11:07 PM
<p>I want to play a plate tank but I'm not sure which one. My main is a Dirge so the tank will not be my main nor do I expect to raid with him (maybe occasionaly). I'm not really interested in being a MT in any raid (ok for general grouping though).</p><p>I know what the basic differences between a them are. How much difference in tanking and dps between a guardian and a zerker, all other things being equal? I might consider a pally but it seems they are not too good compared to the other 2. So between Guardian and Zerker, is the zerker dps advantage larger than the guardains tanking advantage? For example, like the zerker dps averages 20% more than guardian while guardian tanking advantage is 10% better than zerker.</p><p> Not looking for exact numbers lol, that was just a generalized way to make it easier to get feedback.</p><p>Thanks for any help you may offer.</p>

TuinalOfTheNexus
02-14-2007, 11:15 PM
<p>The difference between tanking in the two classes is only really apparent on raids when the Guardian has abilities the Zerker can't match (more hp, tower of stone, reinforcement). In general though, and especially at lower levels, the difference in survivability is negligible.</p><p>In groups or solo, the zerker holds aggro easier and deals more AE dps. They're really the best choice for all-round play, which seems to be what you're looking for. So I'd go for zerker.</p>

Noaani
02-14-2007, 11:49 PM
<cite>Drelgin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I want to play a plate tank but I'm not sure which one. My main is a Dirge so the tank will not be my main nor do I expect to raid with him (maybe occasionaly). I'm not really interested in being a MT in any raid (ok for general grouping though).</p><p>I know what the basic differences between a them are. How much difference in tanking and dps between a guardian and a zerker, all other things being equal? I might consider a pally but it seems they are not too good compared to the other 2. So between Guardian and Zerker, is the zerker dps advantage larger than the guardains tanking advantage? For example, like the zerker dps averages 20% more than guardian while guardian tanking advantage is 10% better than zerker.</p><p> Not looking for exact numbers lol, that was just a generalized way to make it easier to get feedback.</p><p>Thanks for any help you may offer.</p></blockquote><p>No mention of SKs?</p><p>They make [Removed for Content] fine tanks in a group setting, can do some decient DPS if not needed for tanking (more than a zerker if speced right), and they are one of the most effective solo classes in the game.</p><p>All up, right now SKs are prolly the most fun class to play, but I wouldn't say they are so overpowered that they are due for a nerf. </p>

Miele
02-15-2007, 12:03 AM
Play a SK and you won't be sorry. 1 to 11 it's kinda hard (for how hard it can be), from 12 and beyond you'll fall in love with the class. You can tank pretty well, you let your healer have fun with his nukes and CAs because you'll do a lot of the healing through your lifetaps and you have some really cool spells in your arsenal. It gets better every level you climb, I don't think tanking could be this fun (and I had a guardian for quite a long time, abandoned him forever).

liveja
02-15-2007, 12:08 AM
<cite>Miele wrote:</cite><blockquote>Play a SK and you won't be sorry. 1 to 11 it's kinda hard (for how hard it can be), from 12 and beyond you'll fall in love with the class. You can tank pretty well, you let your healer have fun with his nukes and CAs because you'll do a lot of the healing through your lifetaps and you have some really cool spells in your arsenal. It gets better every level you climb, I don't think tanking could be this fun (and I had a guardian for quite a long time, abandoned him forever). </blockquote><p> This post is pure truth. Until I began playing an SK recently, I'd never played a plate tank past 14th level in any game, ever.</p><p>Simply put, SK is golden.</p>

Lornick
02-15-2007, 12:27 AM
I'm honestly surprised to see some SK loving from players on the forums.  They are often stigmatized as the red-headed step child of the tank classes.  (unjustly so btw)  None the less, I would still recommend the berserker over the other plate classes for a more casual player.  Tank great, dps great, even have nice utility with their group buffs.  (master 1 at teir 7, 122 str buff, +29% dps and haste proc.  yummy.  plus they have decent hp regen.)  Really, you can't go wrong with any of the plate tanks.  The player behind the keyboard is more important then the class chosen.  All I'm saying is that there is a reason the berserker class is so popular.

bongo12
02-15-2007, 07:20 AM
I love playing my zerk, he hits hard and i always get a kick outa being surrounded by multiple mobs and knockin em all off there feet with my aoe's. Plus ive had no problems tanking and keeping aggro so far.

Norrsken
02-15-2007, 07:28 AM
<cite>Lornick wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm honestly surprised to see some SK loving from players on the forums.  They are often stigmatized as the red-headed step child of the tank classes.  (unjustly so btw)  None the less, I would still recommend the berserker over the other plate classes for a more casual player.  Tank great, dps great, even have nice utility with their group buffs.  (master 1 at teir 7, 122 str buff, +29% dps and haste proc.  yummy.  plus they have decent hp regen.)  Really, you can't go wrong with any of the plate tanks.  The player behind the keyboard is more important then the class chosen.  All I'm saying is that there is a reason the berserker class is so popular.</blockquote> There has been a large amount of new sks lately, and people that play them higher than 20 usually love them. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Fun and versatile class. And a juggernaught in pvp.

Dasto
02-15-2007, 12:03 PM
<p>I have never played a plate tank, but when I was grouping with my assassin, SK was the last choice of a tank we wanted.  well of the plate tanks, I think SK is prefered of monk /bruiser.  </p><p>Unless they fixed the argo control part of the sk, sk tanks always struggled to hold argo.  </p>

Boethius_Permafrost
02-15-2007, 01:08 PM
I wouldn't rule out the monks, either.  The paladin is probably the ultimate small action tank, for agro control and because you can duo with a dps class, but they don't do so much damage by themselves.  For a part-time alt, Guardians would not be my choice, as they are oriented towards defense and large scale group or even raid actions.  I would go Berserker for a similar character with a good solo and damage option.  SK's are great, and have been buffed recently for damage, but I believe they still have some agro issues with high-threat classes in groups.  In short, they are all solid, but none can do everything. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Trynnus1
02-15-2007, 01:20 PM
<p>I play a zerker only - no alts. In guild groups, I am the tank or DPS, or both sometimes. (Even with no healer for green mobs).</p><p>We have fabled out pally that i group with, he puts amends on me and aggro is never an issue. Killing multiple mobs between us is a blast with a pally's self heals. We also have a new 70 SK and he can DPS up with me but has aggro issues.</p><p>As most have already stated it depends on what you really want to do with him. If you are going to solo, zerker is not the right choice IMHO. I f you love to go into places like Nest with a group of lvl 70s and pull whole rooms, then a zerker will hold aggro and blow [Removed for Content] up. Another thing to think of is do you want to lead and MT or follow as DPS? As MT, you will be expected to lead the group through content, control pull speed, and watch out for the rest of the group.</p><p>SKs get life taps and a FD - very useful solo and for questing/travel.</p>

Murkie
02-15-2007, 01:50 PM
<cite>Fingerbang wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have never played a plate tank, but when I was grouping with my assassin, SK was the last choice of a tank we wanted.  well of the plate tanks, I think SK is prefered of monk /bruiser.  </p><p>Unless they fixed the argo control part of the sk, sk tanks always struggled to hold argo.  </p></blockquote><p> I friend of mine plays a SK and very recently got to 70.  He loves it and I group with him regularly.  He has very little trouble with AE aggro and has to remember to use Deathmarch wisely while when he isnt MT as this causes alot of aggro to switch to him.</p><p>I also have a 49 SK and love playing him.  Really is the most fun tank class I've played.</p>

DrRothchild
02-15-2007, 02:34 PM
Ditto. I have an SK alt that is rapidly becoming my main. My 70 zerker has been sitting for awhile now since I love the SK so much. 

mellowknees72
02-15-2007, 03:28 PM
My husband just recently started playing a Beserker, with my newly re-rolled warden-turned-fury.  He's a GREAT tank...can withstand a lot of damage and manages aggro really well.

Drelgin
02-15-2007, 06:56 PM
<p>Thanks for the replys so far. Let me add some more info so you all can help further. </p><p>SK's weren't an option really because I don't want to play a FP based char. All my chars are qeynos based and I just don't want to deal with both cities. I rolled on Ogre, but I WILL be betraying. Its just more convenient for me to have them all in 1 area. I could have rolled a Barb but I just wanted an Ogre (and I have a Barb monk), just wanted to play the race.</p><p>I will be soloing some but will grp also. I enjoy both playstyles (grp more). On my main I duo with my wife (fury) and a couple other friends when they're on. Again my main is my Dirge and he will be my primary raid char, plus I'm not interested in being a raid MT.</p><p>Lastly, if u all can, please respond to one of my original questions - if u were to put it in % terms, how much more dps does a zerker have over a guard, and how much better mitigation does a guard have over zerker (all other things being =).</p><p>Example: zerker averages 20% more dps than guardian. guardian tanks/mitigates 10% better than zerker.</p>

Boethius_Permafrost
02-16-2007, 01:35 PM
Percentages differ based on equipment and spell quality, personal skill, and group.  Your damage depends more on your group than on what you do.  In fact, I'd say everything you do as a tank depends more on what the other people in your group do, unless of course you screw up. So, you have eliminated all choices beyond berserker and guardian for personal reasons, and every post on the subject (berserk vs. guardian) says berserker appears to fit your stated desires better.  And you want more info?

Noaani
02-16-2007, 01:59 PM
<cite>Boethius_Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Percentages differ based on equipment and spell quality, personal skill, and group.  Your damage depends more on your group than on what you do.  In fact, I'd say everything you do as a tank depends more on what the other people in your group do, unless of course you screw up. So, you have eliminated all choices beyond berserker and guardian for personal reasons, and every post on the subject (berserk vs. guardian) says berserker appears to fit your stated desires better.  And you want more info? </blockquote><p> Some people dont read the whole thread before they post... even when its a thread they started it seems.</p><p>To the OP, if you pass on a SK (which, based on what you want, is definatly the class for you) for the sole reason of not wanting to be in FP, you are doing yourself a dis-service. Having one Freeport based character amonst an account full of Qeynos characters will not in any way cause any issues. However, it will give you 4 new bank slots, so you could look at that as a bonus.</p>

Devout Disciple
02-17-2007, 10:43 AM
<cite>Drelgin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I want to play a plate tank but I'm not sure which one. My main is a Dirge so the tank will not be my main nor do I expect to raid with him (maybe occasionaly). I'm not really interested in being a MT in any raid (ok for general grouping though).</p><p>I know what the basic differences between a them are. How much difference in tanking and dps between a guardian and a zerker, all other things being equal? I might consider a pally but it seems they are not too good compared to the other 2. So between Guardian and Zerker, is the zerker dps advantage larger than the guardains tanking advantage? For example, like the zerker dps averages 20% more than guardian while guardian tanking advantage is 10% better than zerker.</p><p> Not looking for exact numbers lol, that was just a generalized way to make it easier to get feedback.</p><p>Thanks for any help you may offer.</p></blockquote><p>I'd definitely go with beserker OP. (Edit: If you want to go for plate End Edit)  Crusaders are nice for heroic content but if you want to eventually go raiding and not be turned down like I was cause you're another plate I'd pick one of the warriors beserker or guardian in any case. (yep I was turned down yet again around last week some time)</p><p>I can't give you numbers but my brother I duo with does some sweet dps with his serker and soloes blue heroics at times.  Not to say that I don't do sweet dps on a sk but the server I'm on seems to have a prejudice against crusaders going on a raid.</p><p>Funny thing is I used to be involved in raids before DoF and Moorguard's brawler buff update (or LU13 depending on some's perspective).  Even tanked Trembling Lagoon for the guild I was in at that time. </p>