The EoF questline will be called the Sword of Destiny.

[Cusashorn]

<p>Check the test server notes. The first quests for the Sword of Destiny questline are going in.</p><p>First impression: Sword of Destiny = lame name.</p>

[TheSummoned]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Check the test server notes. The first quests for the Sword of Destiny questline are going in.</p><p>First impression: Sword of Destiny = lame name.</p></blockquote>Isn't that the sister sword of the Claymore?

[Cusashorn]

Yeah, but I still think it's a lame name.

[Themaginator]

your just mad that isnt nun chucks of destiny lol...it should be staff of destiny /mumble

[Cusashorn]

I just think the name "Of Destiny" itself is just lame.

[Solar_Fla]

I hope this one is finally a freeport based one. It could be the quest for the Freeport Tambourine! That sounds menacing and about on par with how freeporters get treated hehe.  I am just hoping that it isn't an upgrade to the claymore piece but an entirely diffrent slot for those of us who don't get 4 choices on the reward we get.

[Obann]

I sense a future where Mistmore Castle will be my second home. And with a name like that I do not see a bow as a quest reward. /sniff

[Cusashorn]

<cite>rkid wrote:</cite><blockquote>I sense a future where Mistmore Castle will be my second home. And with a name like that I do not see a bow as a quest reward. /sniff </blockquote> Heh. Just you wait. I bet you'll be intentionally screwed again.

[DobyMT]

<p>I just hope that at least the items are even worth doing the quest for.  The second to last quest for mages IMO was worth more than the final in Claymore, and I'd like to see several options.  Fighters get like 4 choices, Scouts 4, and Mages 4 or something like that.  It would add to some sort of indiviuality.  On tope of that, I'd love to see a bow for Scouts as an option, and I loved the GK option for mages to go from one handed to 2 handed with a few clicks.</p><p>"... of Destiny" is lame, and it seethes with a lack of creativity for the most part, but I'm more concerned with a practicality as opposed to a name.  Give me something that actual has a purpose.  But then again, that's just me.  </p>

[Gasisna]

Ugh, I still have to finish the SoS leg of the Claymore series... Guess I have my work cut out for me.

[wesbarlow]

I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?

[Gasisna]

<cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote> Ack I really really hope not. I am on the kill 4 dragons part of fire and ice and I havent started the peacock quests yet. I had put those on the way back burner while I completed current content.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote> They would NEVER allow that. Where'd you hear such a rumor?

[DobyMT]

<cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote>I certainly hope not.  I'm not going to finish Claymore unless I have to because its just not worth me camping in PoA, arranging an AoA raid, and all the other nonsense to get an item I won't even wear.  But if need be, I will.

[KBern]

<cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote><p> I would seriously doubt that but nothing would surprise me either at this point.</p>

[shadowgate]

Yes, I had read some second hand "rumor" that you had to have at least gotten thru most of the Claymore quest to be able to do this quest but as far as I know it was a "rumor" at best. I do know that the Claymore line hints at the potential of a sister sword to the Claymore, so who knows.

[DobyMT]

I believe its going to be in the lines of needing Druzaic and Draconic, or maybe some other languages that are necessary for the other questlines, such as Pris 1.0 and Claymore.  Lord I hope so.  I've made it a point to not take my main to KoS for a long time because of the craptasticness of the zones there.

[Zammik]

<p>The best part about not releasing this at launch. but instead in a live update?</p><p> Massive bottlenecks.</p><p> I can't wait to camp the named spawns with 500 other level 70's who are on the same step at the same time.</p>

[DobyMT]

<cite>Zammik wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The best part about not releasing this at launch in a live update?</p><p> Massive bottlenecks.</p><p> I can't wait to camp the named spawns with 500 other level 70's who are on the same step at the same time.</p></blockquote><p> YAY.  Hopefully, there will be a point where you need to hail a guy, then come back later and talk to him, then fight him.  Throw in a 7 day respawn, and then we are talking.  That way, everyone will be on different stages, so we can talk to him, do his quest, but when we come back he's dead, and we have no way of knowing when.</p><p>Also, with sarcasm off, I hope that there is alot of epic content, as in most of the entire quest line.  It will remove as many bottlenecks, and it will provide some real difficulty besides finding 2 more people to grind out mobs in a dungeon. Or harvesting a million "item As" in a noob zone.  Or something equally as brainless.  </p><p>I am excited about this one, I just hope that its worth the quest lol.</p>

[Noaani]

<cite>Zammik wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The best part about not releasing this at launch. but instead in a live update?</p><p> Massive bottlenecks.</p><p> I can't wait to camp the named spawns with 500 other level 70's who are on the same step at the same time.</p></blockquote><p>This would have happened wether they had it ready at launch or not. There was no leveling up to be done this expansion, so if it was ready, it would have been the first thing everyone worked on.</p><p>Also, I really hope they DO make it so you need to have done the prismatic, Godking and Claymore series to be able to finish this quest, I see no reason not too... I mean... you HAVE all finished them... right? </p>

[anfrey]

anything <i>_________ of destiny</i> makes me think tenacious d...

[Cusashorn]

<cite>anfrey wrote:</cite><blockquote>anything <i>_________ of destiny</i> makes me think tenacious d... </blockquote> Good point.

[FightGame]

Destiny.  Reminds me of when Lieutenant Dan tells Forest .."It was my destiny!  and you ruined it"!!!!

[mortem]

There is no way they would require the other epic quests.  First off it would exclude alot of the newer players. Alot of the players out there are not raiders but still enjoy questing up to the raid portion and this would just leave them out. Even if they did require the other epic quests, they would end up taking it out as a requirement due to the fact that no one would stand for that much of a timesink lol. I wouldn't be worried at all. edit: "of Destiny" is a sort of lame.  I don't know how many of yall have seen the enjoyable Noah Wyle movie "The Librarian", but there was a spear in the movie called The Spear of Destiny and it sort of made the movie seem more cheesy.

[kellan123]

<cite>KBern wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote><p> I would seriously doubt that but nothing would surprise me either at this point.</p></blockquote> -------------- I thought that it made sense, but then someone brought up the fact that you probably wouldn't have questlines spanning different products of SoE....and that made more sense. Something tells me they wouldn't require something from DoF in order to have something in EoF....unless they're offering all prior products for free now?

[MakhailSamma]

<p> I personally hope they make it so you have to have gotten all other prismatics/claymore/whatever. Buts thats just because I went through and got them all and I want to feel special. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[kenm]

Yeah, I'd hope prismatic, godking, and claymore would be require it to even start the new questline for a few reasons. 1. There's really no reason for somebody to not have these all done by now.  Go do the rest of the content in the game before eating up the new content. 2. To keep bottlenecks to a minimum.  I don't wanna get screwed out of updates by some slacker that's never even finished claymore. <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cusashorn]

<cite>kenman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, I'd hope prismatic, godking, and claymore would be require it to even start the new questline for a few reasons. 1. There's really no reason for somebody to not have these all done by now.  Go do the rest of the content in the game before eating up the new content. 2. To keep bottlenecks to a minimum.  I don't wanna get screwed out of updates by some slacker that's never even finished claymore. <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Just FYI, not *EVERYONE* is capable of killing Harla Dar and the rest of the dragons....

[kenm]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kenman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, I'd hope prismatic, godking, and claymore would be require it to even start the new questline for a few reasons. 1. There's really no reason for somebody to not have these all done by now.  Go do the rest of the content in the game before eating up the new content. 2. To keep bottlenecks to a minimum.  I don't wanna get screwed out of updates by some slacker that's never even finished claymore. <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Just FYI, not *EVERYONE* is capable of killing Harla Dar and the rest of the dragons....</blockquote>Bull. Harla Dar, Gorenaire, Talendor, Lord Vyemm, Tarinax.  All these mobs share one thing: They are incredibly [Removed for Content] at this point in time. People have been finishing Claymore with pickup raids ever since EoF came and nerfed Tarinax into oblivion. Now, I really believe that not everybody should be able to kill these mobs... but the fact is they can. And because they can, people that simply *are not willing* to do easy epic content should not be able to do a new epic questline.  And yes, that's an opinion.

[sah]

The biggest problem I see with making the previous epic quest lines a requirement for the new quest is that the digital download version of EoF does not come with DoF or KoS... Also, the fae would be at a disadvantage since alot of guilds aren't interested in farming the eyes for godking anymore and since there were so many problems with kelethin citizens trying to work on the claymore... and with regards to the previous post, as far as I'm aware of on the Guk server, the farthest any pickup raid has gone in labs is the first eye named and the farthest in dt is the amorphous drake and pretty much all pickup raid attempts at either of the AoA x4 dragons or Harla Dar have failed...

[Cusashorn]

<p>My last guild, fully decked out in Relic+++, was incapable of defeating Harla Dar, Talendor, or Gorenaire. We got lucky with Vyemm a couple of times, but that was it. We tried Harla Dar many many times. We got our butts handed to us in a few seconds flat because of her AOE's.</p><p>dont you be telling me that people are lazy to attempt to kill them. </p>

[TheSummoned]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My last guild, fully decked out in Relic+++, was incapable of defeating Harla Dar, Talendor, or Gorenaire. We got lucky with Vyemm a couple of times, but that was it. We tried Harla Dar many many times. We got our butts handed to us in a few seconds flat because of her AOE's.</p><p>dont you be telling me that people are lazy to attempt to kill them. </p></blockquote>More resists, MORE CURES and most importantly... More dots!

[Cusashorn]

Yeah too bad there's no spells that directly boost crushing resistance.

[Jaradcel]

Far be it for me to jump in when everyone's cursing, but I think we're going to see our Pick of .... I mean, Sword of Destiny at least require you to have done some part of the old and new content. Here's why - Claymore needed you to speak Words of Magic and Draconic. While most people can finish off Druziac easy by the time they hit 50ish, Draconic requires a raid that not everyone wants to do (Maiden's x2) - Peacock needed you to speak Druziac too, iirc. What do you think about that? =

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Jaradcel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Far be it for me to jump in when everyone's cursing, but I think we're going to see our Pick of .... I mean, Sword of Destiny at least require you to have done some part of the old and new content. Here's why - Claymore needed you to speak Words of Magic and Draconic. While most people can finish off Druziac easy by the time they hit 50ish, Draconic requires a raid that not everyone wants to do (Maiden's x2) - Peacock needed you to speak Druziac too, iirc. What do you think about that? = </blockquote> required High Elf too.

[Obann]

There is one thing you can just about say for certain and that is the later quests of the series will require a raid.  Prismatic does.  DoF line does.  Claymore does.  I'm hoping that there isn't any early bottleneck like the soundless guardian for the claymore line.   It would also be interesting to know at what level this epic line starts at. edit: I went and re-read the test notes.  Quests start in the 50's with it looking like the first quest starts in New Tunaria.

[valkyrja]

If the first quest in the chain is lower than 60, that is just stupid. 

[Fortai]

<cite>Zammik wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The best part about not releasing this at launch. but instead in a live update?</p><p> Massive bottlenecks.</p><p> I can't wait to camp the named spawns with 500 other level 70's who are on the same step at the same time.</p></blockquote>The Claymore line had a lot of bottlenecks and that was a launch, especially in parts in PoA.  You are right though, if there are a lot of named camps, this will be a lot worse, because everyone is already level 70, and will be eager to start this.  Let's just hope SOE gets smarter, and realizing that Difficulty = Challenge.  Difficulty does NOT equal camping / sitting at your computer waiting for something to spawn.  This quest should be difficult, rich in lore, and challenging, and LONG.  Sitting on your computer waiting for a camp for hours, especially if you are waiting in line for other groups, is not challenging, and therefore not fun.  This quest SHOULD be long, but not long because I'm sitting here for 4 hours, waiting for a camp.  Killing a PH every 15 minutes is a very bland spice.

[Telaris]

<p>I for one would like to see them offer a bow as one of the options.  I am sick of SOE forgetting about rangers.  Rangers do not need a duel weilder, they need a bow 99% of our damage and comes from a bow not melee.  Yes there are melee combat arts but they are not based on the dual weild quality.</p><p> Either way, I know they will not fix it but Rangers have been neglected in choices. Prismatic, Peacock and Claymore.  Please SOE think about how rangers DPS, they are the only class that needs a good bow.</p>

[Cusashorn]

Well I'm sorry but a sister SWORD to another Sword isn't going to become a bow at any point unless you plan on cutting yourself when holding it.

[Lader]

<p>pick up raids can kill the harder content if they look into what types of dmg the mobs do and what their specials are. just is harder to organize when you dont know the players' skills.</p><p>They qeynos claymore also implies sword, since theres 2 of them in the game and theyre both monuments with a sword on it. and isnt the claymore a RL sword?? just ebcause "sword" of destiny is in the title doenst mean sword. SOE better not replace the claymore reward, because then what was the point of doing the 30 some odd(?) quests involved in claymore? they shouldve given the classes without options that choice in the first place if they wanted us to have them. A guildy of mine brought up the theory of combining the claymore and the SoD rewards, im not sure what theyll do though. </p>

[C]

<cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote> Seems highly unlikely, given that Pris 2 took place in DoF, and "Pris 3" in KoS, and up until now it has never been the case that previous expansion packs were required to do any quest or content in EoF.  Hopefully it will stay this way.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Crw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote> Seems highly unlikely, given that Pris 2 took place in DoF, and "Pris 3" in KoS, and up until now it has never been the case that previous expansion packs were required to do any quest or content in EoF.  Hopefully it will stay this way.</blockquote> The Claymore line is not "Prismatic 3". They flat out stated that the Prismatics ended with the Peacock line.

[EvilIguana9]

<cite>Fortai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zammik wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The best part about not releasing this at launch. but instead in a live update?</p><p> Massive bottlenecks.</p><p> I can't wait to camp the named spawns with 500 other level 70's who are on the same step at the same time.</p></blockquote>The Claymore line had a lot of bottlenecks and that was a launch, especially in parts in PoA.  You are right though, if there are a lot of named camps, this will be a lot worse, because everyone is already level 70, and will be eager to start this.  Let's just hope SOE gets smarter, and realizing that Difficulty = Challenge.  Difficulty does NOT equal camping / sitting at your computer waiting for something to spawn.  This quest should be difficult, rich in lore, and challenging, and LONG.  Sitting on your computer waiting for a camp for hours, especially if you are waiting in line for other groups, is not challenging, and therefore not fun.  This quest SHOULD be long, but not long because I'm sitting here for 4 hours, waiting for a camp.  Killing a PH every 15 minutes is a very bland spice. </blockquote> I agree almost entirely.  Make it hard.  Make it require tact, intellect, and focus.  Don't make it tedious and frustrating.  The claymore quest series is bar none the absolute worst quest line in the game.  It is just horrid in design and honestly whoever was in charge of it should be reprimanded and kept away from designing quest content for a long time.  I work on it only because the rewards are unique and extremely useful.  I seriously hope that EOFs main storyline quest reverses that trend and has some real challenges so you earn the reward from skilled play rather than from unnatural tolerance to boredom.

[Sosum]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900">My last guild, fully decked out in Relic+++, was incapable of defeating Harla Dar, Talendor, or Gorenaire. We got lucky with Vyemm a couple of times, but that was it. We tried Harla Dar many many times. We got our butts handed to us in a few seconds flat because of her AOE's.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900"> </span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">dont you be telling me that people are lazy to attempt to kill them.</span> </p></blockquote>My old guild on Crushbone ended up beating Harla with our MT LDing at the pull..  Harla is cake if you concentrate on resists and full DPS.  Out of curiosity you didn't try fighting him up top did you?

[Choombatta]

<cite>mortem wrote:</cite><blockquote>edit: "of Destiny" is a sort of lame.  I don't know how many of yall have seen the enjoyable Noah Wyle movie "The Librarian", but there was a spear in the movie called The Spear of Destiny and it sort of made the movie seem more cheesy. </blockquote> You can thank Christians for the Spear of Destiny. The movie did not invent it. It is supposedly the spear used to stab Christ while on ther cross.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Sosumya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900">My last guild, fully decked out in Relic+++, was incapable of defeating Harla Dar, Talendor, or Gorenaire. We got lucky with Vyemm a couple of times, but that was it. We tried Harla Dar many many times. We got our butts handed to us in a few seconds flat because of her AOE's.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">dont you be telling me that people are lazy to attempt to kill them.</span> </p></blockquote>My old guild on Crushbone ended up beating Harla with our MT LDing at the pull..  Harla is cake if you concentrate on resists and full DPS.  Out of curiosity you didn't try fighting him up top did you? </blockquote> Her, and we did. With the limited time we had before mobs started to respawn, I dont think it's worth wasting the time to pull her down. Anyways, her Crushing AoE was the problem. As I mentioned earlier, There are no buffs that directly buff crushing resistance the same way and magnitude that normal spell resistances get buffed. Buffing Mitigation is one thing, but buffing Crushing Resistance is another thing altogether.

[Ranja]

Clear the bottom mobs and then pull her down and kill her all before the other mobs spawn. It is not that hard you have 15 mins to do it.

[Zoren Northwood]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sosumya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900">My last guild, fully decked out in Relic+++, was incapable of defeating Harla Dar, Talendor, or Gorenaire. We got lucky with Vyemm a couple of times, but that was it. We tried Harla Dar many many times. We got our butts handed to us in a few seconds flat because of her AOE's.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">dont you be telling me that people are lazy to attempt to kill them.</span> </p></blockquote>My old guild on Crushbone ended up beating Harla with our MT LDing at the pull..  Harla is cake if you concentrate on resists and full DPS.  Out of curiosity you didn't try fighting him up top did you? </blockquote> Her, and we did. With the limited time we had before mobs started to respawn, I dont think it's worth wasting the time to pull her down. Anyways, her Crushing AoE was the problem. As I mentioned earlier, There are no buffs that directly buff crushing resistance the same way and magnitude that normal spell resistances get buffed. Buffing Mitigation is one thing, but buffing Crushing Resistance is another thing altogether.</blockquote> Huh?  Mitigation buffs absolutely buff "crushing resistance" if that's what you want to call it.

[Cusashorn]

<p>more like 5. yeah I know what you're thinking: More DPS. our guild had too much DPS and that's what we had.</p><p>Anyways, my old guild is a thing of the past. My new one hasnt' been sized up yet, but we raid the Labs on a regular basis.</p>

[Rezikai]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote> Seems highly unlikely, given that Pris 2 took place in DoF, and "Pris 3" in KoS, and up until now it has never been the case that previous expansion packs were required to do any quest or content in EoF.  Hopefully it will stay this way.</blockquote> The Claymore line is not "Prismatic 3". They flat out stated that the Prismatics ended with the Peacock line.</blockquote>Cusa.. im unsure of what you mean here, ... in retrospect, the prismatic 2.0 (GodKing) was more similar to the Claymore (imo 3.0) in most respects from initial solo quests.. leading up and through most group heroic zones and finally a x4 epic raid at the end... what of the claymore line(3.0) was changed to it not be.. a "prismatic"?

[Zoren Northwood]

<cite>Porkchop133 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote> Seems highly unlikely, given that Pris 2 took place in DoF, and "Pris 3" in KoS, and up until now it has never been the case that previous expansion packs were required to do any quest or content in EoF.  Hopefully it will stay this way.</blockquote> The Claymore line is not "Prismatic 3". They flat out stated that the Prismatics ended with the Peacock line.</blockquote>Cusa.. im unsure of what you mean here, ... in retrospect, the prismatic 2.0 (GodKing) was more similar to the Claymore (imo 3.0) in most respects from initial solo quests.. leading up and through most group heroic zones and finally a x4 epic raid at the end... what of the claymore line(3.0) was changed to it not be.. a "prismatic"? </blockquote> He's probably talking about the fact that the first two questlines' rewards were power-regen items, while Claymore items were not.  But "prismatic" != "power-regen" so who really knows what he means.

[QuestingCrafter]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah too bad there's no spells that directly boost crushing resistance.</blockquote> Uhh, about one in three classes has a spell/ability to boost physical mitigation -- and that's not counting stances.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />~~~

[Rezikai]

<p>Ah i see...</p><p>thanks Zoren </p>

[Sosum]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sosumya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900">My last guild, fully decked out in Relic+++, was incapable of defeating Harla Dar, Talendor, or Gorenaire. We got lucky with Vyemm a couple of times, but that was it. We tried Harla Dar many many times. We got our butts handed to us in a few seconds flat because of her AOE's.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">dont you be telling me that people are lazy to attempt to kill them.</span> </p></blockquote>My old guild on Crushbone ended up beating Harla with our MT LDing at the pull..  Harla is cake if you concentrate on resists and full DPS.  Out of curiosity you didn't try fighting him up top did you? </blockquote><span style="color: #ff9900"> Her, and we did. With the limited time we had before mobs started to respawn, I dont think it's worth wasting the time to pull her down. Anyways, her Crushing AoE was the problem. As I mentioned earlier, There are no buffs that directly buff crushing resistance the same way and magnitude that normal spell resistances get buffed. Buffing Mitigation is one thing, but buffing Crushing Resistance is another thing altogether.</span></blockquote>LOL

[Sosum]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote>Clear the bottom mobs and then pull her down and kill her all before the other mobs spawn. It is not that hard you have 15 mins to do it. </blockquote>yup it is to clear and pull to bottom.

[wesbarlow]

I'm not sure where a couple of my guildies got the rumor that you'd need all 3 prismatic lines finished to start the new one. didn't have time to login last night cause of my work schedule but i'll ask around when i get a chance. i just wanted to see if anyone on test server was able to get the first quest without having completed the previous primatic lines in full because that's specifically what i heard. if it's crap then it's crap...if not then a lot of us probably have some work to do prior to GU 32.  On a side note, it wouldn't surprise me if they required all previous lines simply because there was no level raise in this expansion and the high end content quest-wise is fairly limited. If they require people to go back and complete a 100 quests from other areas that keeps us busy for awhile...just a personal observation though

[Ganlu]

<cite>Porkchop133 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Crw wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wesbarlow wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've heard rumors in order to get the first quest in the line that you have to have completed all previous prismatic quest lines. can anyone confirm or deny this?</blockquote> Seems highly unlikely, given that Pris 2 took place in DoF, and "Pris 3" in KoS, and up until now it has never been the case that previous expansion packs were required to do any quest or content in EoF.  Hopefully it will stay this way.</blockquote> The Claymore line is not "Prismatic 3". They flat out stated that the Prismatics ended with the Peacock line.</blockquote>Cusa.. im unsure of what you mean here, ... in retrospect, the prismatic 2.0 (GodKing) was more similar to the Claymore (imo 3.0) in most respects from initial solo quests.. leading up and through most group heroic zones and finally a x4 epic raid at the end... what of the claymore line(3.0) was changed to it not be.. a "prismatic"? </blockquote>He's just being pedantic.  People refer to it as prismatic 3 just because it's a long, epic quest line unique to KoS, like "prismatic 2" was unique to DoF and the original prismatic was part of vanilla EQ2.

[kenm]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sosumya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff9900">My last guild, fully decked out in Relic+++, was incapable of defeating Harla Dar, Talendor, or Gorenaire. We got lucky with Vyemm a couple of times, but that was it. We tried Harla Dar many many times. We got our butts handed to us in a few seconds flat because of her AOE's.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ff9900">dont you be telling me that people are lazy to attempt to kill them.</span> </p></blockquote>My old guild on Crushbone ended up beating Harla with our MT LDing at the pull..  Harla is cake if you concentrate on resists and full DPS.  Out of curiosity you didn't try fighting him up top did you? </blockquote> Her, and we did. With the limited time we had before mobs started to respawn, I dont think it's worth wasting the time to pull her down. Anyways, her Crushing AoE was the problem. As I mentioned earlier, There are no buffs that directly buff crushing resistance the same way and magnitude that normal spell resistances get buffed. Buffing Mitigation is one thing, but buffing Crushing Resistance is another thing altogether.</blockquote>It takes like 5 seconds to pull her down, and if I recall correctly she has a knockback.  Fighting on a platform where you can get knocked down two floors doesn't really appear to be... intelligent. And her crushing AOE?  IIRC she has two of them.  One's a fairly painful frontal cone and one's a weak AOE that anybody can eat and get group healed through.  She's pretty much like vyemm, with keeping her turned away from the raid and fighting under the belly to have everybody in group heal range. Point is that pickup raids have killed the mobs I've mentioned when they use strats that actually make sense, Tarinax included. With mobs that easy it really does boil down to simply putting in the effort, and regardless if you can't beat KoS... why not finish that before attempting EoF?

[TheSummoned]

<cite>Sosumya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote>Clear the bottom mobs and then pull her down and kill her all before the other mobs spawn. It is not that hard you have 15 mins to do it. </blockquote>yup it is to clear and pull to bottom. </blockquote>The drakes and wyrms have a 40 min respawn, the droag have a 20 min respawn. You should easily clear the bottom and top in 30 min and get no adds whatsoever. And no need to pull Harla to the bottom. That's just complicating the encounter. If you're getting pwned by the crushing AE your healers seriously need to work on their curing. Classes that buff mitigation: Crusaders, Conjurors, all healers.

[Cusashorn]

Yeah but do they buff the entire raid's mitigation? or only single targets?

[Sosum]

<cite>TheSummoned wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sosumya wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote>Clear the bottom mobs and then pull her down and kill her all before the other mobs spawn. It is not that hard you have 15 mins to do it. </blockquote>yup it is to clear and pull to bottom. </blockquote><span style="color: #ff9900">The drakes and wyrms have a 40 min respawn, the droag have a 20 min respawn. You should easily clear the bottom and top in 30 min and get no adds whatsoever. And no need to pull Harla to the bottom. That's just complicating the encounter. If you're getting pwned by the crushing AE your healers seriously need to work on their curing. Classes that buff mitigation: Crusaders, Conjurors, all healers.</span> </blockquote>Pulling her to the bottom takes no time literally and makes the fight easier to control and gives you more range to work with. but again to each their own.

[Zoren Northwood]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah but do they buff the entire raid's mitigation? or only single targets?</blockquote>Healers typically buff the whole group's mitigation.

[TheSummoned]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah but do they buff the entire raid's mitigation? or only single targets?</blockquote>Crusaders buff single targets, while every healer and the conjuror buff their group.

[Emerix]

<p>To counter the negativity</p><p>Yay another sword for my collection *hopes its all sparkly too*</p>

[Talz]

I hope there is a 1h spear. On my way right now to see if hell has frozen over!

[QuestingCrafter]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah but do they buff the entire raid's mitigation? or only single targets?</blockquote><p> I'd love to know which classes get a ''buff entire raid'' spell/ability -- I presume you mean group.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Non-stance Crushing abilities/spells: ----------------------------------------------------- Brigand - Hardened - self only +552 Conjuror - Geotic Seal - whole group +326 Defiler - Abhorrent Shroud - whole group +732 Fury - Urchin - single target, short term +2240 Guardian - Command - whole group, short term +653 Guardian - Wall of Force - self only, short term Inquisitor - Pious - whole group +732 Monk - Spirit Like Mountain - self only, short term +544 Mystic - Runic Aegis - whole group +732 Paladin, Shadowknight - Pledge of Armament - group friend +425 Templar - Gallantry - whole group +732 Warden - Protection of the Oak - whole group +732</p><p> ... and then, of course there's charged items (potions, etc.)   =)</p>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<p> I really can't see them requiring having completed the previous lines.</p><p> Those of us that wanted to play as Fae and have had the chance to go back and do Prismatic 1-3 are relatively few and far between.</p>

[doctorbow]

<cite>kenman wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kenman wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, I'd hope prismatic, godking, and claymore would be require it to even start the new questline for a few reasons. 1. There's really no reason for somebody to not have these all done by now.  Go do the rest of the content in the game before eating up the new content. 2. To keep bottlenecks to a minimum.  I don't wanna get screwed out of updates by some slacker that's never even finished claymore. <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Just FYI, not *EVERYONE* is capable of killing Harla Dar and the rest of the dragons....</blockquote>Bull. Harla Dar, Gorenaire, Talendor, Lord Vyemm, Tarinax.  All these mobs share one thing: They are incredibly [Removed for Content] at this point in time. People have been finishing Claymore with pickup raids ever since EoF came and nerfed Tarinax into oblivion. Now, I really believe that not everybody should be able to kill these mobs... but the fact is they can. And because they can, people that simply *are not willing* to do easy epic content should not be able to do a new epic questline.  And yes, that's an opinion. </blockquote> Couldn't agree more with this, for the most part:  I don't think a classic 'pickup raid' muddled together would be able to take on vyemm, for example.  I think there needs to be a 'raid-guild' based "core" that has already worked out the strategies and has most of the required classes available, and fills in as needed (more of an 'open raid' as opposed to a full-blown pickup raid).  Happily, Vyemm fell to just such a raid 3 days ago on Everfrost, and I was more than happy to lend my blades.  Harla Dar will be next, hopefully.  They are STILL difficult encounters.  They are '[Removed for Content]' because I think people have better options for maximizing the way they play their character by mixing up their armor pieces a little bit, and also the player-base has matured quite abit since KoS launch and first attempts at this content.  So of course alot of players still raiding this content will likely have better survivability.  I only speak in general terms of course: I've yet to fight tarinax, and haven't fought him pre-EoF, so I don't know how exactly he may have been 'nerfed' so I cant comment on that. But yeah, more to the point, a well-planned open raid, CAN take out this content, with limitations and better equipped players. -Drakhammor, 70 swash, everfrost

[Dejah]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I'm sorry but a sister SWORD to another Sword isn't going to become a bow at any point unless you plan on cutting yourself when holding it.</blockquote><p>The Qeynos Claymore isn't actually a reward from the Claymore quest.  The entire quest line you are chasing it but you never actually acquire it at any point in the quest.  The real Qeynos Claymore is stolen back and moved to a secure location.  The weapons and symbols that you can choose as a reward are weapons and symbols created using a similar technique used for creating the real Qeynos Claymore.  </p><p>Using the Qeynos Claymore questline as the precedent, I would say that it is highly unlikely that the reward for the Sword of Destiny will be the actual sister sword to the Qeynos Claymore.  It is much more likely to just be valuable rewards associated with the Sword of Destiny in some way.  Keeping this in mind, I would say that it is quite reasonable for Rangers to want a bow if the reward options are going to be weapons.</p>

[atjtennis]

<p>Hopefully the rewards are again a mix of good treasured items and legendary like the Claymore line was.  Nothing is worse than doing a long series of quests that have awful rewards, see the Peacock quest line, and hopefully the items dont' just replace the claymore line but are for different slots as well.</p><p> I cannot wait to see the graphics for the weapons at the end of the quest line hey always have impressive graphics.</p>

[SmCaudata]

<cite>atjtennis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hopefully the rewards are again a mix of good treasured items and legendary like the Claymore line was.  Nothing is worse than doing a long series of quests that have awful rewards, see the Peacock quest line, and hopefully the items dont' just replace the claymore line but are for different slots as well.</p><p> I cannot wait to see the graphics for the weapons at the end of the quest line hey always have impressive graphics.</p></blockquote> Trouble here is that the items have to be of very high quality.  I currently use 2 claymore rewards I believe.  Dragonscale bracelet because it is still awesome stat wise and the Razorwing Bandolier (rangers complain about lack of bows...don't make rogues and monks get started on thrown weapons).  If I were to get usefull gear out of the new quest line it would have to be better than raid gear with the exception of a nice melee ring.  This will most likely be the norm for anyone who has complete the claymore line.  By the time you kill Tarinax you have replaced nearly all of your Claymore reward gear. Basically I am trying to say, unless it is KoS raid quality gear, it really won't matter what slot the items are for for those that have finished the Claymore line.  It will matter greatly for those that got up to the raid point and stopped though. Back to some wishful thinking:  I would like to see a quest line that goes all the way through the raid content in EoF and have an end reward that is as good as any of the raid dropped loot you would have gotten from the mobs you defeated.  IMO, the claymore should be as good as any weapon/item out of Deathtoll or lower in the progression teir.  I don't understand the harm in having the claymore be the "best" weapon outside of contested or other tougher mobs.  It is just one slot after all.  The item at the end should be a reward, not just the satisfaction of finishing it.

[Ogrebe]

So does anyone on test know where the first quest starts?

[Nocifer Deathblade]

It goes live today. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[CRLig]

there are some info about the Epic 4.0 on EQ2i now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Memdawen]

<p>Why wouldnt you use the final item in the claymore line for a mage? I recently completed my Claymore quests and I have to say the item is really really nice. I raid a fair amount and I haven't seen anything better than it, I'm sure there probably is a better item out there. That doesn't make the claymore useless for people who don't have the better item though.</p><p>Edit* any thing that ends in of Destiny is cheesy :-0 but I can't wait to see the item.</p>

[Deimosfear]

Well as usual there is a hangup for one allignment .. In the part of this new questline if the quest A Crusade of Faydwer u have to go to New Tunare and fine books.. also after finding the first book update u have to search and find a sheild and inspect it to recive the next hint to find General Jyleel which gives u the next Ivestigaters handbook.. Bah... Guess what U need to know the Koadal language .. Uh huh.. Cant buy the language primer in Castleveiw if u are HalfElf and evil alighned.. So whetre do you get the Koadal in Freeport?? So with that in mind.. U cannot continue on this questline w/o being able to read this book which is of the Koadal language.. Good job SOE.. If I am wrong and there is a place in Freeport to pick up the language please tell me.. The halfelf language is Thexian.. no way does that enable reading Koadal

[Silversnow]

If you do the god king quest line you'll get a side quest that gives the language primer at the very end.

[txleathertx]

<p>IMO, I can see the Ranger's point of view on the bow...I agree, y'all should get a nice uber bow that shoots fire arrows with a heat damage proc possible maybe <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Now from a tank's point of view, I am sick and tired of seeing 2 handed weapons as rewards...the Q. Guard is nice for a tank, but I would like a 1H reward to go with that!!!</p>

[Pijotre]

Kelethin has 2 spell scroll merchants. 1 sells the good and neutral race languages the other the evil and neutral ones. edit: nvm evil characters can't buy anything in Kelethin (only good aligned characters can get the evil language primers)

[Liva]

<p>WTB evil-aligned koada'dal primer merchant.</p>

[Mr. Dawki]

WTB a questline that does not require a 4hr camp on a lvl 17^^^ contested named in the middle of wailing caves

[coffee2025]

<p>i dont care about the 4 hour camp ya gotta expect that in mmo's, but give an epic quest line that evil cant finish due to language barrier is retaaaarded.</p><p> good side can buy all the language primers</p><p>evil side can only buy evil language primers</p><p>there is no freakin way im doing the godking line just to get a language primer thnx a freakin bunch SOE. jerks</p>

[Harvash]

<p>I assume they have not, and there are no...planned ways to get around the language other than peacock at this time?</p><p> LU fix would be nice, the posters have a point, 66% of the world can get access to this, and 33% is screwed - does seem kinda stupid</p><p>Or, they need to throw the side quest in for this line too...maybe right aftering talking to the frog in the first quest?</p>

[InsertNeko]

I find it confusing that eq2i has a completely different timeline for the swords of destiny series than the eq2 timeline. Are these two separate quests or is someone wrong? Anyone clear this up, eq2i's mentions nothing about wailing caves and I've never seen any npc mentioned by sony in the waterfall mentioned.

[Wulfborne]

They've already added a dude for evils to buy the primer off of on Test. There was no biased "barrier" against evils intended. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ~Hawke

[Hassin]

<cite>Wulfborne wrote:</cite><blockquote>They've already added a dude for evils to buy the primer off of on Test. There was no biased "barrier" against evils intended. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15">~Hawke</blockquote>Would you be so kind as to tell us who and where the evils can buy the languages needed?

[Mildavyn]

<p>Holy thread necromancy batman!!</p><p>The NPC is in the hideout in the sewers under Qeynos. You have to go there to start the second part of the first quest. Take a couple gold with you. buy all the languages you need.</p>