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Anrunya
02-13-2007, 02:35 PM
Are the rumors correct that this would happen before the end of febuary?

Amphibia
02-13-2007, 02:49 PM
Never heard of that. Wish it was true, though......

Eluzay
02-13-2007, 03:06 PM
they said they were going to do something about the european issues with population but no idea what exactly they are planning.

CresentBlade
02-13-2007, 03:48 PM
<p>Ya no solid information about this yet, go figure. They will most likely merge after the game starts dieing and hardly anyone around anymore.<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Should of been done already or in the works NOW.</p>

Kurindor_Mythecnea
02-13-2007, 04:15 PM
<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva"><span style="color: #990033">Your merge are belong to us!...peez? </span></span><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Cotey
02-13-2007, 04:58 PM
they announced it on server pages... there is going to be *some* merge and they promised to let us know until end of Feb; btw. average population on FP side on darathar is know about 50+- poeple... I also cancelled due to this

Leorange
02-13-2007, 05:17 PM
<p>My hopes are with you.</p><ol><li>We know about the long known exodus on all the EUropean servers, and that SOE is looking into it. It's horrible there.</li><li>I myself am from Venekor RP US server, and there's also a great need, by now, for more people (in t7 for instance)</li><li>I see the first 5 replies on this post, and see a lot of Nagafen US server players ask for a merge as well</li></ol><p>Soooo</p><p>This makes me conclude<i> all</i> pvp servers want a merge. This might be new insight for SOE, they only said to look into point 1. .</p><p>Therefore my hopes are for an all pvp server merge. In February? the sooner the better.</p><p>That, or more content to keep us happy hehe:</p><p><img src="http://www.groenedraeck.com/funstuff/GDCOMIC_Evilcontent.jpg" border="0"></p><p><span style="font-size: xx-small">(j/k, i want a merge more then content)</span></p>

Valdar
02-13-2007, 06:14 PM
This decision is taking longer than it took to put a man on the moon.....

chrystolr
02-13-2007, 06:17 PM
<cite>Valdar wrote:</cite><blockquote>This decision is taking longer than it took to put a man on the moon..... </blockquote>That never happen and neither will the merge...double owned! Also I dont know about a merge but I think they were opening server transfers for pvp servers or something the like....but dont expect it to be by the end of february.

Amphibia
02-13-2007, 07:45 PM
<cite>Leorange wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My hopes are with you.</p><ol><li>We know about the long known exodus on all the EUropean servers, and that SOE is looking into it. It's horrible there.</li><li>I myself am from Venekor RP US server, and there's also a great need, by now, for more people (in t7 for instance)</li><li>I see the first 5 replies on this post, and see a lot of Nagafen US server players ask for a merge as well</li></ol><p>Soooo</p><p>This makes me conclude<i> all</i> pvp servers want a merge. This might be new insight for SOE, they only said to look into point 1. .</p><p>Therefore my hopes are for an all pvp server merge. In February? the sooner the better.</p></blockquote>I agree. I really hope they'll merge ALL servers then, except perhaps Vox. It's not just the European servers that are struggling now, Venekor is about to become the new Darathar. People spend hours and hours trying to find PvP somewhere... it's not fun when you go through Tenebrous Tangle, Barren Sky, Bonemire, Butcherblock, Lesser Faydark and Loping Plains - and all you get to fight is a few bots on Discord Island..... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

yohann koldheart
02-13-2007, 09:21 PM
if they do merge the pvp servers they wont let the exchange servers merge with any of the non exchange servers. then should merge all the non echange servers, that should make 1 server that is 3/4 or so full. it would be great would have  a steady population all the time instead of just during the northamerican timezone times. gideon 64 necro of rat pack

Ko
02-13-2007, 10:23 PM
Why is everyone afraid of people from the Sony Exchange?  Their toons aren't any better than what I've seen on Nagafen.  Other than the fact that most of them have horses.  All the servers have had more than enough time to get their toons where they need to be.  I think the Sony Exchange population is horrible.  We play to pay the game as well.  And if buying plat is the only reason you don't want server moves from Vox to any other server I think that's a crock considering there are a LOT plat on sale on those servers as well.  A quick google search will show you 8 companies that sell plat on your "pure" servers. So why punish us for doing it the right way.  We just want to have enough players to build guilds with, raid, and PvP.  Why did we choose vox because it was an option and the population was decent in the begining.

chrystolr
02-13-2007, 10:31 PM
<cite>Kovu wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why is everyone afraid of people from the Sony Exchange?  Their toons aren't any better than what I've seen on Nagafen.  Other than the fact that most of them have horses.  All the servers have had more than enough time to get their toons where they need to be.  I think the Sony Exchange population is horrible.  We play to pay the game as well.  And if buying plat is the only reason you don't want server moves from Vox to any other server I think that's a crock considering there are a LOT plat on sale on those servers as well.  A quick google search will show you 8 companies that sell plat on your "pure" servers. So why punish us for doing it the right way.  We just want to have enough players to build guilds with, raid, and PvP.  Why did we choose vox because it was an option and the population was decent in the begining.</blockquote>Hell, at this point I could care less of people coming over from non pvp servers.  Just have the same rules apply for betraying and have them lose all their spells. More pvp > caring about what server players come from imo.

Valdar
02-14-2007, 11:35 AM
<p>why do some people always insist that people should be penalised for moving? I moved once from RE to SP, and there was never any bs like that.</p><p>Especially the Naggy folks seem to want a period where they gank all newcommers for a few weeks while they gear up. Are you guys affraid of a good fight or something?</p><p>Sheesh!</p>

yohann koldheart
02-14-2007, 01:27 PM
i think id be ok with exchange toon moving to regular pvp servers, IF they came totaly nekid, spells and ca's to app 1 and empty bank. other wise no way should they be able to move to us simply becasue they use rl money to buy everything for their toon. and the rest of us had to work for it in game

Zaviur
02-14-2007, 09:20 PM
OK why come over naked?  You see that makes no sence at all.  Come over naked = Buy plat from Farmers to gear up.  All of our gear is No drop as it is.  I don't see why you want to punish people for wanting to play the game they pay to play.  Not everyone from the Exchange has bought toons and or plat from the exchange but we all face a dying server.  Sometimes when I play I go two or three days between seeing another Fper and it's the same ones I've already killed.

Dreamo
02-15-2007, 03:43 PM
<p>I am for the servers merge. I play on Venekor and the world is just empty for the most time of the day. The only pvp you have is provided by bots and random solo players who come to farm bots as well. This is pathetic.</p><p> And what is bad that this leads to people leaving the game because it becomes boring and dull for them. But this situation makes the server even emptier and more people start leaving. I know many people who left the game just because of that. All of them said they spent more time looking for pvp than actually pvping. And finally they just lost interest in such game. As has been said sometimes you can go through all the zones without meeting a single player of an opposing faction.</p><p>Something must be done about it.</p>

Greenion
02-15-2007, 04:10 PM
<p><span style="color: #339900">i think instances cause the lack of open zone poppulace more than any other thing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i dont care if they allow transfers from other non exchange pvp servers to venekor, but i dont want it merged with nagafen...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i think allowing pvp to pvp transfers would solve everyone's issue...and still keep the two main pvp servers intact.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">so...you can merge with nagafen on a toon by toon basis...by tranfering there when and if they offer them.</span></p>

Amphibia
02-15-2007, 06:25 PM
<cite>Greenion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #339900">i think instances cause the lack of open zone poppulace more than any other thing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i dont care if they allow transfers from other non exchange pvp servers to venekor, but i dont want it merged with nagafen...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i think allowing pvp to pvp transfers would solve everyone's issue...and still keep the two main pvp servers intact.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">so...you can merge with nagafen on a toon by toon basis...by tranfering there when and if they offer them.</span></p></blockquote>I hope we'll get a merge rather than transfers, tbh. Transfers is a typical thing that can splits guilds and is likely to cause a lot of issues for people. Espesially if it also costs money.

Greenion
02-15-2007, 06:32 PM
<p><span style="color: #339900">transfers are voluntary for anyone caring to use them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">mergers are mandatory forcing players that dont want such into it.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">allowing transfers allows you to get what you want.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">why make what you want mandatory for everyone?</span></p>

Amphibia
02-15-2007, 06:50 PM
What's your point? It's not up to me, I just think it would be a better idea. I'm only giving my opinion about it, that's all. Maybe I'm wrong, but either way I don't get a vote... and neither do you.  I'm sorry, I don't see a problem here. SOE will do what they think is best, which is either: 1: Nothing 2: Server merge 3: Transfers I can imagine there would ALWAYS be some people who do not agree no matter what solution they choose. So they'll probably prioritate the majority.... which makes sense, does it not? And who honestly wants to play on a deserted server? The problem with transfers is that it may cost money, and even if free they'll probably only be available for a limited time. On PvP servers, people generally care a lot about population, so my guess is that most will transfer to Nagafen if they get that choice. This will leave the other servers even less populated than they are today (perhaps even nearly deserted), and what's the point in that... really? Let me know if you think I'm missing something here.

Greenion
02-15-2007, 07:06 PM
<p><span style="color: #339900">you are missing the fact that other subscribers have the right to want to stay on the original server they rolled on.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i dont see the need to totally shut venekor down, it has enough poppulation atm for me.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">lol, if we could get everyone out of the instances itd be better imo.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">btw, sounds like you are taking my opinion as a personal attack it isnt, your perception is in fact up to you, i dont want forced off the server i chose to play on.</span></p>

Amphibia
02-15-2007, 08:24 PM
<cite>Greenion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #339900">you are missing the fact that other subscribers have the right to want to stay on the original server they rolled on.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i dont see the need to totally shut venekor down, it has enough poppulation atm for me.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">lol, if we could get everyone out of the instances itd be better imo.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">btw, sounds like you are taking my opinion as a personal attack it isnt, your perception is in fact up to you, i dont want forced off the server i chose to play on.</span></p></blockquote> O rly?  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> No, actually... I think you're the one who's missing something here. I rolled my first character on a server called Faydark. That server no longer exists, because it was merged with another. Check your facts. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <span style="font-size: x-small"> </span> <span style="font-size: x-small"> And no, I'm not taking anything you're saying here personally. Do you? To me this is just another discussion. I happen to disagree with you. That's all. The population on Venekor may be enough for you, but it isn't for me. </span>

Greenion
02-15-2007, 08:33 PM
<span style="color: #339900">good then transfer when they offer them if they do, you dont need a merge.</span>

Leorange
02-15-2007, 08:41 PM
<p>and by that <i>choice</i> you must mean the RP in Venekor US server, because everything else is the same. Qeynos, Freeport, boats, queens, gear, chat, etcetera : It's the same world.</p><p>I haven't experienced that much Roleplaying in Venekor, i.m.o. that's not a big loss.</p><p>What would be, is the 'venekor community' we've build. That 'bond' we have shows in our Server Forum, and to a lesser extend ingame. That's why I'd vote for a merge, 'cause then we would have all 'forehead licking' and other fun people with us. Not to mention my own guild, and all the history we build, would stay as it is  ..but then merged with the nagafens. Nagakor or Venefen, with the EUs thrown into it aswell. One big happy world, to me that's the future really. And you would stay where you rolled on.</p><p>We don't need to loose the 'RP' though. Perhaps it would be nice if SOE stressed that RP is preferred in EQ2. After all it's 33% of the word MMORPG, and we all know its a MMO G. To me the ability to choose between RP and Non-RP was stupid to begin with. </p><p>Having instances on a pvp server is far less unasked for. If you can't find people for this reason, after taking this away another huge expansion like EoF would make people unfindable again. It's the total amount of population what's the problem, not where they are at.</p>

Greenion
02-15-2007, 08:45 PM
<span style="color: #339900">itll just cause more instances to be parented on the merged server.</span>

Greenion
02-15-2007, 09:14 PM
<p><span style="color: #ffffff">It's the total amount of population what's the problem, not where they are at.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">not if where they are at is on a pvp server but in a place on the pvp server that they cannot be pvpd against by any opponents while they gain adventure xp, coin, and loots.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">then it matters where they are, thats where most of the poppulation that isnt twinked out yet is.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">that and the part of the poppulation that hasnt caught on yet.</span></p>

chrystolr
02-15-2007, 09:18 PM
At this point I just want people to kill. I don't care if people come over from non pvp servers now. Just strip them of all there spells like when exiling. Of course after they open up pvp servers for transfers like they said, if the population still isn't good then open it up to the public, I know theres actually a lot of people who would play pvp but dont want to because they have to create a all new character. The only problem is exiles. I dont want a bunch of people coming over just for raiding purposes. Hopefully after there solution to the server population there will be a lot more people and we wont have to resort to that.

Greenion
02-15-2007, 09:25 PM
<p><span style="color: #339900">roflz, is there a reason for all this panic...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">and what do exiles have to do with it...lol...we caused the server to be too unpoppulated somehow because the big bad raiding guilds all exiled at endgame and took the wind out of the sails of the other big bad raiding guilds?</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">pve to pvp transfer? just let the non subscribing public even play?</span></p>

Bawang
02-15-2007, 10:06 PM
Something's gotta be done.  I'm on Venekor after long having abandoned my toons on Crushbone.  The thing is when I log into Crushbone I can get a group without much trouble.  On Venekor there's just not much grouping going on at high levels and I feel the server is slowly dying.

Reptilianb
02-15-2007, 11:37 PM
<p>LOl... i dont think anyone would come over to any server naked.... </p><p>not form PVP to PVP anyways...</p><p>but.. if they want to allow PVE to PVP transfers, then they should transfer naked obviously.</p>

Eybietie
02-16-2007, 02:20 AM
<cite>Greenion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #339900">i think instances cause the lack of open zone poppulace more than any other thing.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i dont care if they allow transfers from other non exchange pvp servers to venekor, but i dont want it merged with nagafen...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i think allowing pvp to pvp transfers would solve everyone's issue...and still keep the two main pvp servers intact.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">so...you can merge with nagafen on a toon by toon basis...by tranfering there when and if they offer them.</span></p></blockquote><p> <span style="color: #ffff99">i think you are wrong with your instance thingy. in lower tiers and that is if i understood right where you are there aren´t that many instances. why do you allways assume it is due to instances? i wont bother if they took away all instances tho but that just doesn´t matter.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff99">if you were right and all the people in t7 are *hiding* in instances it would be easy to find pvp opponents because you have to travel from one instance to another and if there really were enough people farming instances there would be constant pvp because the groups of the different factions would meet at some points....</span></p>

Greenion
02-16-2007, 03:00 AM
<p><span style="color: #339900">you see that the difference btwn me and everyone else, T7 is not the only tier i am talking about, nor is it the only tier in the game.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">considering its the highest tier in the game id think there would be the least characters in the tier...therefor having a lower poppulace than other tiers simply because its the highest one.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">id bet real money at any given time just about on any pvp server there are more people that are playing in instances than in open zones...in all tiers.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">just my hunch and my opinion, soe has the real info on it...and the decision is quite up to them.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">im not against a merger of all pvp servers per se, just leery. i dont like the sound of it, dont like the idea of it...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">i do understand why the euro crowd is antsy for it though.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">they have my opinions, my thoughts on the matter...not that those are worth a whole lot...thats kinda an end to it imo.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900">from here its a wait to see what if anything happens.</span></p>

Reptilianb
02-16-2007, 06:57 AM
<p>I like lower tiers also.. aswell as t7...</p><p>although the t7 population isnt very low, because its a deadend, so everyone fills up at the end <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> .... does seem to be lots of people at the lower tiers, then it prob drops off mid tiers, then comes back up a little bit at t7.. hmm, something like that</p>

Naglfar
02-16-2007, 08:18 AM
<p>Hi there,</p><p> here's the last news we've had from Soffrina, our community manager ;</p><p>- "le transfer entre PvPs va arriver avant le merge, et c'est pour bientôt, mais je ne connais pas encore les dates"</p><p>the transfer between PvP server will arrive before the merge, and it is for soon, but I do not know the dates yet.</p><p> and</p><p>- "le transfert sera pas payant si vous transférer de Gorenaire par exemple vers les 2-3 PvPs désignés (ps. je connais pas encore lequels) Et puis pour le transfer, vous le savez dèja, il serait entre les serveurs moins peuplés, comme les serveurs EU, et Scott va faire une annonce bientôt"</p><p>the transfer will be free if you to transfer from Gorenaire, for example, towards 2-3 indicated pvp servers (PS. I don't know wich ones yet) And for the transfer, you already know it, it would be between the less populated servers, like the EU servers. Scott will make an anouncment soon.</p>

Badaxe Ba
02-16-2007, 01:42 PM
Transfers won't solve population problems, it will just shuffle them.

Eybietie
02-16-2007, 02:39 PM
Tortue Géniale wrote: <blockquote><p>Hi there,</p><p> -snip-</p><p> "le transfert sera pas payant si vous transférer de Gorenaire par exemple vers les 2-3 PvPs désignés (ps. je connais pas encore lequels) Et puis pour le transfer, vous le savez dèja, il serait entre les serveurs moins peuplés, comme les serveurs EU, et Scott va faire une annonce bientôt"</p><p>the transfer will be free if you to transfer from Gorenaire, for example, towards 2-3 indicated pvp servers (PS. I don't know wich ones yet) And for the transfer, you already know it, it would be between the less populated servers, like the EU servers. Scott will make an anouncment soon.</p></blockquote>mmm first thanks for the update <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> second, does that mean we can than transfer from one dead server to another? ^^ omg <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Valdar
02-16-2007, 09:35 PM
Well, that sounds completely lame. They succeeded quite nicely in breaking several online communilies down, and now it sounds like they will use a bandaid to patch up a patient with terminal cancer.... SOE seems to love having a bad name for customer support.

Eybietie
02-16-2007, 11:21 PM
<p>or it means that transfer will  cost something if moving from a dead server to a more populated server and moving from dead server to other dead server is free <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Spider
02-17-2007, 12:48 AM
yohann koldheart wrote: <blockquote>i think id be ok with exchange toon moving to regular pvp servers, IF they came totaly nekid, spells and ca's to app 1 and empty bank. other wise no way should they be able to move to us simply becasue they use rl money to buy everything for their toon. and the rest of us had to work for it in game </blockquote><p> hey oh brilliant one not EVERYONE on exchange servers bought everything they have </p><p>many if not most of us earned it all every step of the way or bought it off the broker with hard earned plat from killing , crafting , and so forth </p><p>most of us play exchange because it gives us OPTIONS not because we want easymode</p><p>especialy those that like myself have to work a lot of long hours and cant devote 60+ hours a week to playing a game </p><p>and YES i HAVE bought plat of se </p><p>once to get my horse ( which ive since replaced with a better one using earned plat )  and the second time to buy the 3 ebon i still needed when my inquis hit 42  and shes now 53 and in all cobalt that i personaly harvested myself </p><p>so get a clue man </p><p>atleast if we do buy plat were honest about it unlike people on your servers who buy as much if not more but do it underhandedly </p><p>also let me jsut say that if there was any kinda merge going on they wouldnt merge vox with someone else they woule merge those thazt choose to  into us they wouldnt shut down the se because it makes then way to much money and those that use it are quiet happy being able to sell things they dont need and old toons and such and others are more than happy tobe able to buy them so eh were happy </p><p>if ur not well thats fine stay off my server then </p>

Dimgl
02-18-2007, 12:49 AM
<span style="color: #00cc99">Just wanted to throw my support in towards a full server merge of all PVP servers. The population is dropping daily, and it is a problem that is only going to get worse. The only way to shore things up and make limit future player loss is to maximize their enjoyment in the here and now. Put every single player in one spot, and if that doesn't solve the population issues, open PVP to blue players. Then you'll make PVP players happy, and blue server players who never wanted to give up their character. It's a Massively Multiplayer Online RPG, yet on Venekor these days there are less people out PVPing than I could find on a single FPS server, and it should come as no surprise that many players are plugging into other games and means of enjoyment when it is readily accessible. Bring back the massively multiplayer to PVP. </span>

Khrunk
02-21-2007, 06:05 PM
<p>if you are going to force venekor into nagafen then allow pvp to pve transfers as well. i would much rather play on a blue server than be on naggy server. no offense to those that play there just i find the community lacking much, from what i have read and heard.</p>

JohnDoe0
02-21-2007, 06:06 PM
Anyone against a merge is a ***. We all know what happened to the ***s. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Khrunk
02-21-2007, 06:08 PM
<cite>JohnDoe001 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anyone against a merge is a ***. We all know what happened to the ***s. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> any for making people do things they dont want is not nice. allowing transfers solves this issue.

JohnDoe0
02-21-2007, 06:28 PM
No one cares about your opinion peon.

Khrunk
02-21-2007, 06:53 PM
<cite>JohnDoe001 wrote:</cite><blockquote>No one cares about your opinion peon. </blockquote> obvisouly you do since you wrote back.

JohnDoe0
02-21-2007, 07:18 PM
Stating a simple observation isn't caring. Maybe if you didn't have a bleeding heart you'd understand.

Leorange
02-21-2007, 08:09 PM
<cite>khrunk wrote:</cite><blockquote>any for making people <b>do things</b> they dont want is not nice. allowing transfers solves this issue.</blockquote><p> In a merge nobody <i>does</i> anything, it just happens. *poef*</p><p>I don't want anyone enabled to <i>do</i> a transfer, resulting in me <i>having to do</i> that too to follow my friends.</p><p>Therefore a merge is only nice action to solve ontopic issues. </p><p>1-1+1 is still 1, and 1+1 is 2. Simple math. We'd have the MMO back in our RPG.</p><p>Only thing I can think of which could make this bad idea -- but this only happened at introduction of pvp -- is lag due to over-population.</p>

Valdar
02-22-2007, 12:11 PM
<p>22 Feb</p><p>All's quiet on the western front.....</p>

Khrunk
02-22-2007, 01:34 PM
<cite>JohnDoe001 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Stating a simple observation isn't caring. Maybe if you didn't have a bleeding heart you'd understand.</blockquote><p><b>Bleeding heart</b></p>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_heart#column-one" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">navigation</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_heart#searchInput" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">search</a> <p><b>Bleeding heart</b> can be:</p><ul><li>A term, usually critical and politically loaded, for someone who is held to be overly sympathetic to another person's (or group of people's) plight. </li><li>Someone who is emotionally concerned about a person, idea, or event but still refuses to act. </li><li>A common name of plants of the genus <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicentra" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Dicentra</a></i>, which have heart-shaped flowers. </li><li>Any of several species of ground <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">dove</a> in the genus <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallicolumba" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Gallicolumba</a></i>, including <ul><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzon_Bleeding-heart" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Luzon Bleeding-heart</a>, <i>Gallicolumba luzonica</i> </li><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mindanao_Bleeding-heart&action=edit" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mindanao Bleeding-heart</a>, <i>Gallicolumba crinigera</i> </li><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindoro_Bleeding-heart" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Mindoro Bleeding-heart</a>, <i>Gallicolumba platenae</i> </li><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negros_Bleeding-heart" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Negros Bleeding-heart</a>, <i>Gallicolumba keayi</i> </li></ul></li></ul><p>Or it may refer to:</p><ul><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Heart_Yard" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Bleeding Heart Yard</a> in London </li></ul> <span style="font-size: x-small">seems if though i am not a bleeding heart since i am acting. voicing my opinion is acting to the fullest extent that i can, i am sorry if you dont agree with me but i like my community on venekor and would rather not get stuck on an server that i might not like.</span>

Zaviur
02-22-2007, 09:30 PM
<p>OK let me get this straight you would rather me move my raid toon from a blue server rather than a broker/quest geared toon from the Sony Exchange or was that tranfer naked and buy plat from a farmer because I had to transfer naked?  Hmmm  I don't mind any any of those options.  <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

Valdar
02-22-2007, 09:33 PM
or just buy a toon. I saw one for sale for $350 on the web. Gear wasn't all bad too :p

Dodger Sunsoar
02-27-2007, 11:30 AM
<p>Ahhhh ...  how nice would be if we could settle with "hoping for a merge / movelog" for now .... </p><p>SoE .. your Clock is ticking .. what will it be ?</p><p>CHeers!</p>

xXBubblez
02-27-2007, 11:36 AM
<p><span style="color: #66ffff">soe should allow transfers between pvp servers with no penalty (i.e. nakedness) </span></p><p><span style="color: #66ffff">soe should also allow transfers from pve to pvp servers (and vice versa) with a penalty (i.e. nakedness)</span></p><p><span style="color: #66ffff">players from pve to pvp with high end raid gear would un-balance the servers as they are now, let them keep their money tho, thats not a big deal so they can re-gear themselves out with tradeable legendary from instances and such.</span></p>

Ko
02-28-2007, 10:43 PM
I think the solution to our problem is that everyone who PVP is just gonna copy character over to the PvP Test server that would kinda combine all the servers.  And give us extra slots.... Well I think I read somewhere that Test server offers extra slot and an exp bonus.  Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

dr4gonUK
03-01-2007, 12:54 AM
<p>Times up</p><p>-1</p>

Ko
03-01-2007, 03:26 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>i think id be ok with exchange toon moving to regular pvp servers, IF they came totaly nekid, spells and ca's to app 1 and empty bank. other wise no way should they be able to move to us simply becasue they use rl money to buy everything for their toon. and the rest of us had to work for it in game </blockquote> Not everyone uses the exchange some are there because a friend could buy a toon and not have to play catch up after buying a new account and others of us just came to play with friends/guilds that have long since stopped playing so why punish us?  You can also check my account I have never purchased anything from the SE as a matter of fact I know people on exchange that bought more plat off bots on nagafin than they ever did on vox.

Amphibia
03-01-2007, 08:03 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>i think id be ok with exchange toon moving to regular pvp servers, IF they came totaly nekid, spells and ca's to app 1 and empty bank. other wise no way should they be able to move to us simply becasue they use rl money to buy everything for their toon. and the rest of us had to work for it in game </blockquote> Not everyone uses the exchange some are there because a friend could buy a toon and not have to play catch up after buying a new account and others of us just came to play with friends/guilds that have long since stopped playing so why punish us?  You can also check my account I have never purchased anything from the SE as a matter of fact I know people on exchange that bought more plat off bots on nagafin than they ever did on vox.</blockquote>I understand your frustration, but I have a feeling this won't happen. Why is that? Simply because it would make SOE look bad. It would cause the average person to think that EQ2 is a game where you can just buy a toon on an exchange server....and then transfer it to a normal one.

Xantinya
04-22-2007, 04:19 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>i think id be ok with exchange toon moving to regular pvp servers, IF they came totaly nekid, spells and ca's to app 1 and empty bank. other wise no way should they be able to move to us simply becasue they use rl money to buy everything for their toon. and the rest of us had to work for it in game </blockquote><p> <b>For your information, I play on Vox and have never bought any money nor items (but the ones who do don't bother me I knew they could when I picked the server), I have horses and decent gear, and earned absolutely everything I have, how many players on your *pure non exchange* server do you think buy money from illegal sellers?  you should look into it before judging, open your eyes and don't be so naive, lots of people buy plats and gear whether they are on an exchange server or regular server, the difference between exchange and non exchange is that finally players get the chance to buy or sell some plats or items legally, while on your server illegal sellers have the whole market just like they do in every game I played.  For once, a company allowed us players to sell/buy money and items legally instead of letting illegal ones own the whole market.</b></p><p><b>P.S. they are spamming even our mailbox now not only tells, I hope SOE can do something about that because its really getting annoying.</b></p>

ZhouYu
04-22-2007, 06:14 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>i think id be ok with exchange toon moving to regular pvp servers, IF they came totaly nekid, spells and ca's to app 1 and empty bank. other wise no way should they be able to move to us simply becasue they use rl money to buy everything for their toon. and the rest of us had to work for it in game </blockquote> <i>You do realize that station exchange doesn't sell relic gear or pvp gearect right ? I have a feeling you have never even looked at the staiton exchange and just making off comments. the ONLY advantage exchange has is we can buy the money OTHER people auction and buy toons. Everything must be looted and obtained like every other server. Seriously ..all exchange helps me is the fact that i dont need to make money, can stock up on food, poisons, ammo ect without. Thats all.</i>

ZhouYu
04-22-2007, 06:14 AM
[email protected] wrote: <blockquote>i think id be ok with exchange toon moving to regular pvp servers, IF they came totaly nekid, spells and ca's to app 1 and empty bank. other wise no way should they be able to move to us simply becasue they use rl money to buy everything for their toon. and the rest of us had to work for it in game </blockquote> <i>You do realize that station exchange doesn't sell relic gear or pvp gearect right ? I have a feeling you have never even looked at the staiton exchange and just making off comments. the ONLY advantage exchange has is we can buy the money OTHER people auction and buy toons. Everything must be looted and obtained like every other server. Seriously ..all exchange helps me is the fact that i dont need to make money, can stock up on food, poisons, ammo ect without. Thats all.</i>

tass
04-22-2007, 02:17 PM
pfft thats all? You can buy money? lol. Side note how much does cash cost there? Cause these plat seller/ joint eq2 team corporation of plat sales sells theres pretty cheap in the reg servers.

Xantinya
04-22-2007, 04:26 PM
<cite>tass wrote:</cite><blockquote>pfft thats all? You can buy money? lol. <b>Side note how much does cash cost there? Cause these plat seller/ joint eq2 team corporation of plat sales sells theres pretty cheap in the reg servers. </b></blockquote><div align="center"> ........................................... <u><b>NO COMMENT</b></u> ..............................................</div>

Xova
04-22-2007, 05:03 PM
<cite>tass wrote:</cite><blockquote>pfft thats all? You can buy money? lol. Side note how much does cash cost there? Cause these plat seller/ joint eq2 team corporation of plat sales sells theres pretty cheap in the reg servers. </blockquote><p> It depends. Usually it runs about $1.50-$2 per plat, depending on how much is on the market. I've never seen it go above $3.</p><p>And yeah, I think there is a HUGE misconception about how Exchange works. It's not like we just go to a website and buy all of the pvp gear that players on non-SE servers have to "work" for. You can only buy things off the Exchange that another person has put up for auction. It's not like SOE just magically pulls plat or items out of the air and sticks it up there to buy. We still have to loot the gear, loot the tokens, harvest the goods, earn the plat, just like you. The difference is we can sell it to other players LEGALLY for RL money. So if I go out and loot some really awesome lvl40 Fabled sword that I can't use, I can stick it on the broker for ingame money OR I can stick it on the exchange for RL money. Let's say you're one of those people who earns more plat than they know what to do with. You can stick it up on the Exchange and sell it to another player for RL money. You can even sell your toons that you don't play anymore. For example a friend just sold a relic-geared Berserker for a few hundred dollars. Oh, and did I mention that it's FREE to transfer here? You just can't bring tradeable items and coin with you. (There's a hint there someplace for the truly observant.)</p><p>And thing is, just because it's an Exchange server doesn't mean people HAVE to use the service, and in fact there are many, many people on Vox that don't use it. I use it because I don't have a lot of time to play, and I would rather use my time ingame to have fun rather than "work". Other people don't use it at all, but like knowing it's there if they ever want to. And the best thing is it's all legal. The reality is that maybe half of the Vox population actively uses the Exchange service to buy or sell goods. The rest play just like it was any other server. </p>

Bauer
04-22-2007, 06:23 PM
Absolutely, a good point well made. Station Exchange is a relatively unused feature, I never even thought about using it. I think that characters should be allowed transfer to the other pvp servers if they wish, perhaps wish empty banks and no cash. Any (edit) <i>attuned </i>kit or scribed spells should stay. Hardly anyone actually used it while I was on Vox, it is just like Ven or Nag really (apart from the lower pop. in higher tiers); I have toons on all of 'em. People should stop bashing Vox for being SE really.

holypaladin28
04-23-2007, 03:57 AM
<p>umm yeha soif i was able to transfer with no gear and no money and no spells [Removed for Content] is the point.</p><p>kalgore shouts in 60-69 chat naked lvl 70 sk with app1 spells looking for group.</p><p>yeah that makes sense.  all my armor is raid armor all no trade all earned though a raid force. </p><p>you can use SE to buy thee things toons polat and items not marked no trade.   and you can buy plat on any server you want really.  they are fixing the euro popualtion when are they going to fix the vox server pop</p>

holypaladin28
04-23-2007, 04:01 AM
and think about it this way if a bunch opf people that bought there toons show up think about all the easy tokesn you would get from them being nubs.  it works for everyone