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[Soldancer]

-<p>Message Edited by Soldancer on <span class=date_text>08-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:02 PM</span>

[Ever-Befallen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Soldancer wrote:<BR>I read that standard containers will have 60 slots and special containers 80 slots.<BR><BR>That's way too much - please reduce it.<BR><BR>A <STRONG>common</STRONG> T7 box have 32 slots, the new standard container should also have a similar size but not the double(!) amount of slots.<BR>There is enough crap on market, if the new standard box will have 60 slots that will lead to much more crap on market.<BR><BR>My suggestion: Standard container same size as current common box and special containers not more than 50.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats your keyword, the common offline selling box is 32 slots.  These are new rare boxes, that allow online selling which is compared to the previous online selling situation where you could have 8+ (some had 12) boxes selling.  Previously you had 256 slots to sell online with, which was reduced to just 64 when you could sell offline only (presuming the standard inn room here) .. assuming the specalized containers, you'll now have 160 slots to sell from online which is <STRONG>still </STRONG>a reduction from what we had previously, so I don't see what the problem is.<BR></P> <P>EDIT: And if they were to give the salesman crate the same size as the current common box, it would be yet another useless recipe in a carpenters box.  Why would someone make a rare crate when they could use the 32-slot box?  Sure, you can sell offline, but how many actually go into homes? Not many.</P><p>Message Edited by Ever-Befallen on <span class=date_text>07-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 PM</span>

[Code2501]

<DIV>As was noted for many players this is still a net reduction in available broker slots. IMO the sizes are fine as is. They require a rare to produce and are used for a specialist purpose only, sales. Its not like people will be able to walk around with them used in bag slots.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Leave them as they are, just make sure there working with as few bugs as posible before they hit live.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV>

[retro_guy]

<blockquote><hr>Soldancer wrote:I read that standard containers will have 60 slots and special containers 80 slots.That's way too much - please reduce it.A common T7 box have 32 slots, the new standard container should also have a similar size but not the double(!) amount of slots.There is enough crap on market, if the new standard box will have 60 slots that will lead to much more crap on market.My suggestion: Standard container same size as current common box and special containers not more than 50.<hr></blockquote>I'm in favour of the new box sizes, the bigger the better IMO. I used to have 6 ebony boxes on my character and another 6 up in my vault, sure I could put alot of "crap" up, but it also meant people had access when they needed them to cheap body parts, low level adepts, cheap collection items, none of which I now put on the market. I also put very little furniture up as I just have no room. A lot of my furniture sells at cost or less, but I don't mind passing it on to people who will used it, but only if I have the space! Anyway, what does it matter if there's lots of crap on the market? It means lower prices on common items, while maintining high prices on the truly rare items. Win-win. <div></div>

[Ever-Befallen]

I can't say I do have any on Test, but maybe someone from Test can confirm this or not.<BR>Do these new salesmans crates and the specalized containers work in banks?  I've heard they did, if they do though .. that should be fixed IMO.

[Kadurm]

<DIV>The times I have checked out the new rare boxes, the only option I had for them outside of the broker sell window was Examine, Use, and Destroy etc.So from the looks of things, you cannot use them anywhere outside of the broker sell window. When I tried to use it in say, my house vault, I got the message, *your store is not open* So I opened up my broker window from the house and when I clicked on Use, it sent the box to the next open spot on the broker, ready for me to put things in it.</DIV>

[Ever-Befallen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kadurm wrote:<BR> <DIV>The times I have checked out the new rare boxes, the only option I had for them outside of the broker sell window was Examine, Use, and Destroy etc.So from the looks of things, you cannot use them anywhere outside of the broker sell window. When I tried to use it in say, my house vault, I got the message, *your store is not open* So I opened up my broker window from the house and when I clicked on Use, it sent the box to the next open spot on the broker, ready for me to put things in it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Figured they were probably not having any idea what they were talking about, they were insisting they were on Live already, then he claimed to be on Test /sigh.  Are they placeable yet or still buggy?  Curious if its just a general image, or if they each have their own.

[Kadurm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ever-Befallen wrote:<BR> <BR>Figured they were probably not having any idea what they were talking about, they were insisting they were on Live already, then he claimed to be on Test /sigh.  Are they placeable yet or still buggy?  Curious if its just a general image, or if they each have their own.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They each have an image. Cannot get them to place yet anywhere other than in the broker sell window. Images in the broker window and inventory range from chest and racks that they have used before, but only on rare occasions. Still dont know what they look like in a house as we havent figured out how to place them yet. Still might be something they have to fix.

[HazlenutElf]

<DIV>they are placable now, and since these boxes replace the old merchant mode selling id say the size is tooo small if anything considering they take a rare wood.</DIV>

[Erurat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Soldancer wrote:<BR>I read that standard containers will have 60 slots and special containers 80 slots.<BR><BR>That's way too much - please reduce it.<BR><BR>A common T7 box have 32 slots, the new standard container should also have a similar size but not the double(!) amount of slots.<BR>There is enough crap on market, if the new standard box will have 60 slots that will lead to much more crap on market.<BR><BR>My suggestion: Standard container same size as current common box and special containers not more than 50.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Why do you really care...aside from the "crap on the market"?<BR>

[Aela@Test]

<DIV>They do not work in banks. </DIV>

[Magic]

I suggest that if you don't like the larger box, don't buy it!!!  Buy only boxes that have your desired slot capacity and stick with them.  Simple!  I want the largest box possible!

[Ogrebe]

<div><blockquote><hr>Soldancer wrote:I read that standard containers will have 60 slots and special containers 80 slots.That's way too much - please reduce it.A common T7 box have 32 slots, the new standard container should also have a similar size but not the double(!) amount of slots.There is enough crap on market, if the new standard box will have 60 slots that will lead to much more crap on market.My suggestion: Standard container same size as current common box and special containers not more than 50.<hr></blockquote>I think it really depends how you look at it.. I'm an arrmorer and i would like to keep 1 copy of each arrmor piece on the market. Each tier has 4 hevey and 4 chain sets (That 56 differnet peices of arrmor pre tier). I've also got a caprtener with 80 slots for carpenter stuff i can put more furniture on the market. Will the amount of crap stuff incrase.. probably not. Most people aren't going to go out and buy Rare boxes (probably costing over a plat when they go live). To fill it with crap. The people who are going to buy these bigger boxes are thouse who do a lot of tradeskilling.</div>

[Razorbak]

I know of plenty of people who are not crafters who will have these boxes.  These are the same people that give me a couple of t5-t7 rares and ask me to make some furniture cause they don't really ahve much else to do with them and don't want to sell them.  I have seen alot of people with high level adv alts who will log them and go harvest when bored or just want to pick up a rare or two for an twink alt.

[Fael]

As a low level, Id like to see as many slots for both online and offline selling as possible.I rarely find any low level stuff on the broker.  If slots are limited players will only bother to put up the most expensive stuff.  With more slots players will be able to put of more of their lower level stuff.Mal<div></div>

[akuarius]

<blockquote> I read that standard containers will have 60 slots and special containers 80 slots.That's way too much - please reduce it.A common T7 box have 32 slots, the new standard container should also have a similar size but not the double(!) amount of slots.There is enough crap on market, if the new standard box will have 60 slots that will lead to much more crap on market.My suggestion: Standard container same size as current common box and special containers not more than 50.</blockquote><hr size="2" width="100%">Um, first of all, No.Secondly, it's not 'way too much'. Online sellers have had their storage capacities reduced by 75% since LU24 and this (sortof) rectifies that horrible downgrade.  Even if we had  two 80 slot boxes (160 slots), that's not as many as the eight 32 slots we could have before (2 in vault and 6 on person = 256 slots).  Thirdly, thre is NOT "enough crap on the market."  Try finding a player made arrow.  Try finding an app 4.  Try finding, well anything you really need.  I have to commision crafters to create almost everything I need except for food and totems.   So no, you are wrong.  There's not ENOUGH stuff on brokers.  If people had more slots, people would be less likely to sell all their less profitable items straight back to a vendor because now they would have the room for it.  Prices would decrease because supplies would increase.  This is good.Your suggestion, in short, is misinformed.We need more space for the brokers, period.  LU25 is a STEP in that direction.<div></div>

[Sa'meria]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> akuarius wrote:<BR>Um, first of all, No.<BR><BR>Secondly, it's not 'way too much'. Online sellers have had their storage capacities reduced by 75% since LU24 and this (sortof) rectifies that horrible downgrade.  Even if we had  two 80 slot boxes (160 slots), that's not as many as the eight 32 slots we could have before (2 in vault and 6 on person = 256 slots).  <BR><BR>Thirdly, thre is NOT "enough crap on the market."  Try finding a player made arrow.  Try finding an app 4.  Try finding, well anything you really need.  I have to commision crafters to create almost everything I need except for food and totems.   So no, you are wrong.  There's not ENOUGH stuff on brokers.  If people had more slots, people would be less likely to sell all their less profitable items straight back to a vendor because now they would have the room for it.  Prices would decrease because supplies would increase.  This is good.<BR><BR>Your suggestion, in short, is misinformed.<BR><BR>We need more space for the brokers, period.  LU25 is a STEP in that direction.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Couldn't agree more!! Its definatly needed.<BR>

[OperationsX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> akuarius wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>I read that standard containers will have 60 slots and special containers 80 slots.<BR><BR>That's way too much - please reduce it.<BR><BR>A common T7 box have 32 slots, the new standard container should also have a similar size but not the double(!) amount of slots.<BR>There is enough crap on market, if the new standard box will have 60 slots that will lead to much more crap on market.<BR><BR>My suggestion: Standard container same size as current common box and special containers not more than 50.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> Um, first of all, No.<BR><BR>Secondly, it's not 'way too much'. Online sellers have had their storage capacities reduced by 75% since LU24 and this (sortof) rectifies that horrible downgrade.  Even if we had  two 80 slot boxes (160 slots), that's not as many as the eight 32 slots we could have before (2 in vault and 6 on person = 256 slots).  <BR><BR>Thirdly, thre is NOT "enough crap on the market."  Try finding a player made arrow.  Try finding an app 4.  Try finding, well anything you really need.  I have to commision crafters to create almost everything I need except for food and totems.   So no, you are wrong.  There's not ENOUGH stuff on brokers.  If people had more slots, people would be less likely to sell all their less profitable items straight back to a vendor because now they would have the room for it.  Prices would decrease because supplies would increase.  This is good.<BR><BR>Your suggestion, in short, is misinformed.<BR><BR>We need more space for the brokers, period.  LU25 is a STEP in that direction.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What's wrong, these rockbottom prices due to the crafting revamp wasn't enough? I agree with the OP, that's definately too much. The specialized should be DOUBLE the standard and no more than eh 60 maybe for a perfect balance, standard 30. Listen here, not EVERYONE had 24/7 online trader mules, yes I did but I was the 1% , and I had its inventory to sell from, that is 6x36 , just over 200. Now your gonna have EVERYONE having basically like a second account mule ...and hello uhm hate to break it to you but ALOT of ppl have 3 slots homes, some of them have 4 and 5 and few have 6. So 3 x 80 = already more than what my mule had. 6 x 80 = about 500 slots - that's an extreme flood for artisans, about exactly twice. This INCLUDES your offline stuff that your selling on your market board don't forget!! So for someone who has a court/hall type house now has almost 800 selling slots, hmm yah - too much. 

[Silverpaws]

I do agree with the new vendor boxes, but I am not sure how we got less storage space.  I went from a 3 vault room to sell things in, to a 3 vault vendor AND a 3 vault storage space in my room.  We gained space, we didnt loose it.I still need more space, however.<div></div>

[masakre]

I don't agree with the OP. Keep the big boxes coming please <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Geekyone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> masakre wrote:<BR> I don't agree with the OP. Keep the big boxes coming please <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I would say I disagree with you, because I hate flipping thourgh 6 pages of ones persons crafted dull iron cutlases's...but I think there is a way to filter out certain crafters if you don't want to see them...so all in all...I guess I don't care.

[OperationsX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Silverpaws wrote:<BR>I do agree with the new vendor boxes, but I am not sure how we got less storage space.  I went from a 3 vault room to sell things in, to a 3 vault vendor AND a 3 vault storage space in my room.  We gained space, we didnt loose it.<BR><BR>I still need more space, however.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Guess you never online sold through your inventory, we are down 6 selling slots with LU#24, if you have a 6 slotter house with LU#25 you will be up by alot (60-80 space containers vs 36 max) , if you have a 5 and 4 slotters you'll still be ahead 5 x 80 / 60 4 x 80 / 60 > 6 x 36, if you have a 2 slotter house you will still be down from selling online from inventory. 2 x 80 = 160 6 x 36 = 212. If you have a 3 slotter you'll break even if your a TSer 3 x 80 = 240  vs 6 x 36 = 212 down if your an adventurer 3 x 60 = 180 vs 6 x 36. </P> <P>Regardless you'll be up cuz honestly unless you had a TS mule (which I did) and besides overnight who sits there selling stuff from their toon all day long all night long? This system is what it does for you 24/7 so regardless of spaces this system is basically like having a 2nd mule account. So if those who had mule accounts are on the slow roll, expecting some kinda advantage coming to them need to give it up and cancel their mule account (unless they 2 box adventure on it or something) </P> <P>What the REAL question here is what is the point of offline sales now? You got online seller, more spaces, always on 24/7? Where is the disadvantage? What's the point of offline sales besides just having more selling space? Even if your in a 2 slot house thats 2 x 80 + 2 x 80 - so the poorest house person has a total of 320 selling slots 180 of those are avaliable from broker AND can save fees by going to their house? This is overpowered if you ask me so I'm incline to believe the OP UNLESS there's some kinda disadvantage that SOE hasn't told us about yet.</P>

[kono]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OperationsX wrote:<BR> <P>What the REAL question here is what is the point of offline sales now? You got online seller, more spaces, always on 24/7? Where is the disadvantage? What's the point of offline sales besides just having more selling space? Even if your in a 2 slot house thats 2 x 80 + 2 x 80 - so the poorest house person has a total of 320 selling slots 180 of those are avaliable from broker AND can save fees by going to their house? This is overpowered if you ask me so I'm incline to believe the OP UNLESS there's some kinda disadvantage that SOE hasn't told us about yet.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>"Offline" sales (now a misnomer) enjoys the advantage of being cheap.  You can use common strongboxes, or even your free newbie bags, for basic broker-only sales.</P> <P>"Online" sales (also a misnomer) require a new rare container.  They're not free, nor automatic.  If you want to offer in-home direct sales, you will need these rare containers.</P> <P>Also, if you're in a basic two-slot apartment, you'll have the potential of up to 160 selling slots, not 320.  You can't list from your house vault anymore, it is purely storage.  Furthermore, these new rare containers will not function as vault/bank/personal storage.  They are only useful within the broker system.</P> <P>najena.konk</P>

[Arbrelax]

<DIV> <DIV>What is the drill on these if anyone knows?<BR><BR>I have seen discussion of Ebony containers - Is a T7 ?!? rare the only wood useable for these by carpenters or are they like other boxes and there are common and rare for EACH tier that vary based on the number of items they can hold?<BR><BR>I may have missed discussion but if it is ONLY ebony - that will shut the market down pretty quick, as well as be an expensive burden on lower level players who have no chance of harvesting their own.<BR><BR>Anyone know?  Apologies if I missed a thread detailing it further.</DIV></DIV>

[kono]

<P>They are available for lower tiers as well, starting with Fir, I believe, with eight slots added per tier.</P> <P>najena.konk</P>

[Arbrelax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> konofo wrote:<BR> <P>They are available for lower tiers as well, starting with Fir, I believe, with eight slots added per tier.</P> <P>najena.konk</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks for the response.  I have a follow up question.  Your response says "Fir" so I was wondering are they only craftable from <FONT color=#ff3333>Rare</FONT> wood or are there also common containers made of the common wood?</P> <P>Thanks!</P>

[kono]

<P>Rares only.  If you can't afford/find a rare wood, you're stuck with common strongboxes.</P> <P>najena.konk</P>