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Jonas Lightbring
12-17-2004, 08:32 PM
It would be a major error to not fix the two recipe bugs that currently prevent armorers from making tier 4 (feyiron) armor (both chain and plate). I was amazed that in the long list of patch note fixes, tier 4 armoring was not mentioned. Can anyone confirm that they fixed or did not fix this problem? The easiest way to test would be to examine the Armorer's Essentials vol 29 book and see if it still has feySTEEL rings and plate recipes, or if they finally corrected this to feyIRON plate and ring recipes.Thanks,Jonas

Grunth
12-17-2004, 08:49 PM
<DIV>And on the flip side of Jonas' question, what about Tailors?  Both Tier 3 rare cloth and Tier 4 common cloth were broken.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kavan</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Lancealittle
12-17-2004, 08:52 PM
<DIV>Edited my post after re-reading yours. I guess a crafter may want to get to level 10 and then go check out the book for you.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lancealittle on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>09:54 AM</span>

Jonas Lightbring
12-17-2004, 08:55 PM
Kavan, if the devs miss the two largest bugs in tradeskilling in the next patch (inability of armorers and tailors to make COMMON tier 4 goods), you and I should organize a protest parade and tour all of Queynos <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />-Jonas

Vindicis
12-17-2004, 09:03 PM
<DIV>Why dont you fire up the test server and look for yourself?  Oh, you dont want to?  Read the HUGE print on the forum, this is for tester feedback, not for you to come in from live servers and bug the good folks with questions you cant be bothered to find out yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since most of you folks are too lazy to fire up test then Im sure you'll also be too lazy to read the text at the top of this forum.  So here,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><STRONG>This board is intended for <U>players on the Test server </U>to <U>provide feedback on new features and content</U>. It is not a general server board, <U>nor is it a place for non-testers to ask general questions</U> or post opinions.</STRONG></FONT><BR></DIV><p>Message Edited by Vindicis on <span class=date_text>12-17-2004</span> <span class=time_text>08:05 AM</span>

BrickyardRac
12-17-2004, 10:10 PM
<DIV>Per Moorgard:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Please do not start complaining if some fix you have been waiting for isn't listed. Log into Test and see for yourself whether the issue has been addressed, or wait until the testers respond with concrete feedback."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, I don't see anyone complaining, just asking if something was fixed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of course logging in to the test server to actually check to see if these are fixed would require having a level 30+ crafter on the test server (am curious if there are any such players on this server).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't consider myself lazy because I don't play on the test server (your words).  I'm a 26 healer/25 armorer, and my class has been bugged since I hit level 20 (armorer recipies), and is broken at level 30 (again, armorer recipies).  I already have stopped progressing my armorer due to the level 20 bugs (and total pointlessness of hitting 30, at present, due to new bugs).  I sure don't think it should be my responsibility to level my character higher on the test server (level 30 armorer) to find out if they fixed a class-breaking bug.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moorgard didn't list these two bugs in his fix, and the one he did list with regards to armorers isn't technically correct (he states that it is now possible to create pristine vanguard armor - well, it's already possible to do that, so that's not a fix, which has me concerned whether or not the bugs are actually understood by SOE in the first place).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now if there is a 30+ armorer on the test server, I really hope they reply.  I seriously doubt there are, though, as there's only one 30+ armorer on my live server, which was created 4 days after launch.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The hope is that by asking here, perhaps, just perhaps, we can get an answer before the patch hits the live servers whenever it finally does.</DIV>

Vindicis
12-17-2004, 10:27 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BrickyardRacer wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The hope is that by asking here, perhaps, just perhaps, we can get an answer before the patch hits the live servers whenever it finally does.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I dont care what your hopes are, unless you don't read so well, this is clearly not the place for your question to be answered.  Are you a tester?  Are you providing feedback?  No?  Then this doesnt belong here, sounds simply enough to me.  Why is this so complex for people to understand?<BR>

BrickyardRac
12-17-2004, 10:28 PM
<DIV>Vindicis, are you a mod?  No?  Then stop trying to mod, please.</DIV>

Lancealittle
12-17-2004, 10:36 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BrickyardRacer wrote:<BR> <DIV>Vindicis, are you a mod?  No?  Then stop trying to mod, please.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Mods must be at lunch. We don't want the board to fill up with people asking questions that we don't have the answers to.  Especially if it start pushing the actual feedback posts off the front page. Most of the posts on the board right now are from people asking questions, and most are ones that can't be answered by the players. </P> <P>It's going to take a few days for the board to calm down, especially after such a large patch that everyone on live servers has an interest in. This is reminding me of the lifting of the NDA. </P> <P>Think of us as the grumpy workers at the DMV who think everyone knows what line they should be standing in when you ask them where to renew plates. (Hint: it's the line that says "Plate Renewal")</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

Jonas Lightbring
12-17-2004, 11:28 PM
This is a very serious bug, and the purpose of my post was to see if any level 10 outfitter on the test server can check our armorer essentials 29 book. It is not even necessary to buy the book-- just examine it on the npc.I'm sorry if I inconvenienced anyone by the nature of this post-- in my opinion it is highly relevant to the overall purpose of this board.-Jonas

Vindicis
12-17-2004, 11:44 PM
<DIV>I completely agree you have a valid right to be upset and can understand why you want feedback on it.  My point was simply this is not the place to post this.  If everyone had an issue just like this and posted here these forums would be a useless mess.  My responses to the the poorly placed threads aren't helping the issue either, so I'll respectfly practice what I preach from this point out.</DIV>

Zenist
12-18-2004, 12:40 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vindicis wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since most of you folks are too lazy to fire up test then Im sure you'll also be too lazy to read the text at the top of this forum.  So here,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Great.  Another holier than thou mod wanna-be.  Neat. <BR>

macrosssd
12-18-2004, 10:27 AM
<DIV>Made a char during down time, and people keep doing HO and crashing the zones.</DIV> <DIV>So now that I'm not too lazy to fire up the test server and  have a char on test, it's okay to post here yes?</DIV> <DIV>So are there any lvl10+outfitters out there who can check this real quick, cause yes it's a major bug.</DIV> <DIV>I'd sit and lvl up my [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] cept can't harvest jack [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] cause the zones keep crashing.</DIV>

macrosssd
12-18-2004, 10:38 AM
<DIV>And anyways, only way we can test this is if we get our char copied over to check the recipies. You can't expect us to have to spend a month to lvl up another char to 30+ armorsmithing to check whether such a simple fix to a typo has been corrected or not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>During my time on test, there were a grand total of 4 people in each crafter channel.  How do you expect us to even lvl up crafters past 10 when there aren't even any other crafters to make components we need.  The crafters i talked to where gonna lvl up provisioners since they rely on no one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You will argue that I'd only need to get to 10 to check the recipie, but there are quite a few other bugs and typos that need to be checked, and can only be done so when you actualy have the recipie scribed (carbonite spaulders, feyiron spaulders, steel gauntlets).  Heck can't even test if they changed the skill on the bars, plates and rings.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And to those who reply to this thread saying this doesn't belong here, why don't you quit adding useless comments to the thread as well.  It's obvious you're not a crafter and can't even answer the original question, or even know anything about this particular issue, so why even bother replying to it, cept to feel good about yourself by putting down others.</DIV>

Marvolo62442
12-24-2004, 06:22 AM
<DIV>Well, in the case of Armourer Essentials No 29 - that book is definitely fixed. I checked it out myself (wanted to be sure before I became one on live), and the book definitely says feyiron on all items now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone has told me that they have also changed the required skill to Hvy Armouring as well, though it would take me forever to actually check it myself.</DIV>

Shazzbott_Feldercarb
12-24-2004, 07:24 PM
<blockquote><hr>macrosssdf1 wrote:<DIV>And anyways, only way we can test this is if we get our char copied over to check the recipies. You can't expect us to have to spend a month to lvl up another char to 30+ armorsmithing to check whether such a simple fix to a typo has been corrected or not.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>During my time on test, there were a grand total of 4 people in each crafter channel. How do you expect us to even lvl up crafters past 10 when there aren't even any other crafters to make components we need. The crafters i talked to where gonna lvl up provisioners since they rely on no one.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>You will argue that I'd only need to get to 10 to check the recipie, but there are quite a few other bugs and typos that need to be checked, and can only be done so when you actualy have the recipie scribed (carbonite spaulders, feyiron spaulders, steel gauntlets). Heck can't even test if they changed the skill on the bars, plates and rings.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>And to those who reply to this thread saying this doesn't belong here, why don't you quit adding useless comments to the thread as well. It's obvious you're not a crafter and can't even answer the original question, or even know anything about this particular issue, so why even bother replying to it, cept to feel good about yourself by putting down others.</DIV><hr></blockquote>I'm sorry if you feel that the response from Testers is coming across as a "holier then thou" attitude. You do need to understand that this board is a way for us to provide a consolidated feedback on issues we are experiencing on test. While there is bug/feedback options, here we can post/share the info. What one person might forget when /bug another might fill in the blanks. For the devs it allows them to see several different viewpoints about an issue in one place, rather then running down several /bug report and /feedback reports.If this board degenerates into a "Is this fixed?" questionfest, or worse, then it will just be removed. I won't do the "read the top of the page" preaching, I'm already guilty of responding less then admirably to "Is it fixed?" posts. I only ask that we all respect the purpose of this board.I would suggest that if you wish to ask questions about the status of a particular fix, you could try the Test Server Board.Shazz

gridlock
12-24-2004, 08:11 PM
<DIV>Just tell them yes.. maybe they'll go away happy</DIV>

Jon
12-27-2004, 08:51 PM
<DIV>Maybe they have a point, one you cannot hope to achieve or understand? Do *you* have a level 30+ armourer? Do you? I didn't think so. In that case, why not let the 30+ armourers ask valid questions and point out what's broken so it actually gets *fixed*. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I swear, some testers just like to grief people on these boards for their own amusement. These are real issues, it's time to drop the nonsense and work together.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Addendum: I'm not Jonas Lightbringer. ;p</DIV><p>Message Edited by Jonas on <span class=date_text>12-27-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:51 AM</span>

Melinda
12-28-2004, 01:37 PM
GreetingsI checked the Armorer essentials 30 - 49 today.All scrolls up to 45 list armor recipes.However the post 45 ones are blank. (no entries in the recipe field)I hope that helps.

Macibaru
12-29-2004, 12:52 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jonas wrote:<BR> <DIV>Maybe they have a point, one you cannot hope to achieve or understand? Do *you* have a level 30+ armourer? Do you? I didn't think so. In that case, why not let the 30+ armourers ask valid questions and point out what's broken so it actually gets *fixed*. </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The testers aren't asking you to stop asking questions or stop trying to get things fixed. They are asking you to stop asking questions in the wrong forum. Asking questions of "is this fixed" in <STRONG>this forum </STRONG>is akin to asking about a graphics setting in the roleplaying forum.<BR>

BrickyardRac
12-29-2004, 09:46 PM
<DIV>Think of us as the grumpy workers at the DMV who think everyone knows what line they should be standing in when you ask them where to renew plates. (Hint: it's the line that says "Plate Renewal")</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Those are some of the stupidest people on earth, in my experience.  Are you sure that's how you want me to think of you?</DIV>

Jon
12-29-2004, 10:44 PM
<DIV>I disagree, Macibaru. While your overall sentiment at trying to keep these forums from being inundated by useless "are we there yet?" posts from the general public, these particular armourers are asking valid questions in precisely the forum they should be asking in.  The caption all of us keep referring to is, "<STRONG><FONT size=3>This board is intended for players on the Test server to provide feedback on new features and content. It is not a g</FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=3>eneral server board, nor is it a place for non-testers to ask general questions or post opinions."</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>That makes this precisely the forum to talk about such changes. While, admittedly, they're asking about something that has not yet been addressed, how in the world would the rest of us know since none of us are level 30+ armourers? Give them this small lee-way, it's an appropiate topic.

Lancealittle
12-30-2004, 12:31 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BrickyardRacer wrote:<BR> <DIV>Think of us as the grumpy workers at the DMV who think everyone knows what line they should be standing in when you ask them where to renew plates. (Hint: it's the line that says "Plate Renewal")</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>Those are some of the stupidest people on earth, in my experience.  Are you sure that's how you want me to think of you?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Sure...why not. Then think of me as a Wallmart greeter, or the guy working in Starbuck's who insists that you to call him a coffee barrister. </P> <P>Make believe is fun.</P>

Ender
12-30-2004, 12:47 AM
hey testers, the guy asked a simple question, if you don't feel like contributing, don't bother. nobody forces you to do anything but treat your fellow players with some respect. jonas has a right to an answer to his question so don't try to block it if someone wants to help him or has the answer. the answer is yes jonas, tier4 armors are indeed fixed.

Lancealittle
12-30-2004, 12:57 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jonas wrote:<BR> <DIV>I disagree, Macibaru. While your overall sentiment at trying to keep these forums from being inundated by useless "are we there yet?" posts from the general public, these particular armourers are asking valid questions in precisely the forum they should be asking in.  The caption all of us keep referring to is, "<STRONG><FONT size=3>This board is intended for players on the Test server to provide feedback on new features and content. It is not a g</FONT></STRONG><STRONG><FONT size=3>eneral server board, nor is it a place for non-testers to ask general questions or post opinions."</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>That makes this precisely the forum to talk about such changes. While, admittedly, they're asking about something that has not yet been addressed, how in the world would the rest of us know since none of us are level 30+ armourers? Give them this small lee-way, it's an appropiate topic. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hi there Jonas, </P> <P>I think we interpret the board rules differently. I'm not trying to be rude, but just trying to clarify things.</P> <P>The point is actually moot, since someone has done what the origional poster asked and checked the books, so his question has been answered (thanks Marvolo62332 and Melinda). </P> <P>Here is the post:</P> <P><FONT color=#33cc00>Did they fix the inability of armorers to make tier 4 armor?</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffffff>I'll highlight the parts that broke the guidlines for the boards.</FONT></P> <P><STRONG><FONT size=3>This board is intended for <FONT color=#ffff00>players on the Test server </FONT>to provide feedback on new features and content. It is not a general server board, <FONT color=#ffff00>nor is it a place for non-testers to ask general questions </FONT>or post opinions</FONT></STRONG></P> <DIV>It looks like the wrong place to post from my interpretation of the board rules. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Right now we don't have the levels or the population to even answer most questions that people have. This may get better as time goes by. If we did have a 30+ armorer on the server and this was fixed, I would bet he would post the info on the crafter boards, or he could have responded to this question if it was asked on there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know I still read the class and crafting boards, and I bet most testers that use the official boards do as well. If I can give input with what I've seen on test on those boards I will.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The funny thing is, posts that break the rules keep getting bumped by useless arguments while any actual feedback gets pushed off the first page.</DIV>

Lancealittle
12-30-2004, 01:47 AM
<DIV>If you're going to one star all my posts, please respond to the post so I know what parts of my oppinion you find objectionable. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone one starred Jonas without saying why so I gave him 5 stars even though I don't agree with him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would like to think we could all discuss things like adults around here. Don't one star someone because they have a different view on something as you, do it when they act like a horses rear. I understand many of the one stars I've gotten, but come on..express your disagreement in words, not with a silly star system.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

tesarei
12-30-2004, 06:08 PM
<DIV>First of let me state i have both a test and a live character.</DIV> <DIV>second most of you are posting and just complaining about people from live asking a simple specific question.</DIV> <DIV>the original question was specific not general and could eisaly be answered as are many of the others that people have asked.</DIV> <DIV>he was just asking for feed back if the recipies were added to the book. by doing this he is letting the testing comunity know about a bug that we may not know about. this allows us to test it or at least look at it.</DIV> <DIV> His question was not a general question. It was to the point and if you didnt have anything to add then you should just not have posted insted of ragging on him for asking a question. People that are getting all bent out of shape for some one asking a question are acting verry childish and realy should stop. Just because this is a electronic forum where you dont meet the person face to face is no reson to be rude and inconsiderate.</DIV>