AA Ability broken it seems

[hayaikaze]

<DIV>I have a question regading Toxic Expertise. I currently have this ability at rank 5, which puts it at a 33% chance to crit. However, since getting this ability after a recent respec, I have not seen an increase in crits in terms of spell damage or the DOT portion of our melee arts (the new description says it effects all of our DOTs).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another odd thing I have found is that I used to crit constantly with our AOE DOT, <STRONG>but I didn't even have this ability yet. I had the melee crit AA ability when the DOT AOE would crit</STRONG>, so I am thinking that there is a bug in the system.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What are you all seeing? Are you all seeing a large increase in your magic and especially melee crit hits as a result of having Toxic Expertise?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also many of you might have the melee crit aa ability as well as Toxic Expertise, so I might be hard to tell what is doing what. I only have Toxic Ex. at the moment.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps the devs should look into this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by hayaikaze on <span class=date_text>07-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:29 AM</span>

[Nosnem]

<P>Its referring to damage related to any kind of procs you may have beit poison or weapon or armor. I have this maxed at 8 and 52% and Malig Mark is quite nice crit 5 times in a row. Along with my weapons and everything else it is highly worth it. I have melee and toxic both at rank 8</P> <P> </P>

[hayaikaze]

<DIV>Nosnemi1, I used to have the melee crit at rank 8 and I saw it crit all the time with my melee arts. Great!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>However</STRONG>, I only have Toxic at the moment after a respec and honestly at 33% I am not seeing the DOT portion of my combat arts criting, nor am I seeing Malignant Mark or Intoxication, aoe DOT, etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really think the Melee crit aa is working as intended, <STRONG>but someting is not right with Toxic Ex.</STRONG></DIV>

[Dragonsviperz]

It is broken. Its not affecting Deadly Wound, Scraping Blow, Flowing Wound, or any of the DoT procs from a conj, which would be Booming Flames I think. This issue has been brought up before on the Achievement Forums and these forums. No DEV has responded yet though.

[hayaikaze]

<P>Dragon, I am very glad you responded and are seeing just what I am seeing. The ability is doing a fraction of what it is supposed to do and my aa points are wasted at the moment.</P> <P>As you said, it has absolutely no effect on all the abilites you listed, Deadly Wound, Scraping Blow, Flowing Wound, our AOE DOT, Murderer's Assault, Intoxication, etc.</P> <P>People have been blind to this as they tend to have both Crit aa abilites, so they don't know what is doing what. I have a feeling the meele crit aa is doing more that in should and Toxic Ex. is effecting far less than it should.</P> <P> </P>

[Dragonsviperz]

<DIV>I posted on your thread in the Achievement forums. It does affect Cloaked Assault, which is also Murderer's Assault though. I notice because that crits alot more then the melee crit chance. I do have both, but I can definitely see what it affects, and what Expertise does not affect.</DIV>

[Crychtonn]

I think they're ignoring it on purpose.  They know if they do fix this to work as described it could double the already big gap between assassins and rangers.

[hayaikaze]

<P>Dragon hit the nail on the head. The Melee crit ability is effecting the DOTs on our CAs. At least some of them are being effected by this. For example, our AOE DOT, that thing would crit non stop when I had the melee crit AA and rank 8, but didn't even have the non-melee crit AA. </P> <P>On one lvl this makes sense, as they are melee dots, however, it is not supposed to work that way. The non melee AA crit ability states clearly "this ability effects all the DOT portion of all combat arts".</P> <P> </P> <P>Guys, maybe we can finally get the devs attention here. I also have this posted in the Spells and Combat arts section and well as the AA section of the boards as it is relevant there as well. Please chime in on those posts so this gets noticed!</P><p>Message Edited by hayaikaze on <span class=date_text>06-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:47 AM</span>

[TheEndlessGr]

On one lvl this makes sense, as they are melee dots, however, it is not supposed to work that way. The non melee AA crit ability states clearly "this ability effects all the DOT portion of all combat arts".From the picture you posted at the top, it says very clearly it applies to spell damage.  If melee based DOTs are not seeing benefit from the spell crit ability that does make it sound like it's working correctly.<div></div>

[Dragonsviperz]

My question then is to you Endlessgrey...why does the Toxic Expertise ability affect Cloaked Assault line of attacks, for its DoT component is the same as the DoT components of the CA's I already listed. You can't make the ability affect 1 CA while not affecting the other CA's that have the same DoT effect.

[hayaikaze]

<P>Hang on, Grey that is a very very old pic of the ability from BETA.</P> <P>Currently it reads that it effects the DOT portion of our melee combat arts. <STRONG>The wording when you examine the ability is totally different these days. Sorry for the old pic,</STRONG> I never should have posted it as it might confuse the issue.</P><p>Message Edited by hayaikaze on <span class=date_text>06-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:45 PM</span>

[Hadanelith]

<P> </P> <P>This is actually a very well-known issue that many Assassins are voicing concerns about... including myself.</P> <P>For some reason, Toxic Expertise is NOT affecting the DoT portion of Combat Arts as described.</P> <P>Very frustrating.</P> <P> </P> <P>-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor</P>

[Aienaa]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by Aienaa on <span class=date_text>06-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:57 AM</span>

[Fahrenheig]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dragonsviperz wrote:<div></div> or any of the DoT procs from a conj, which would be Booming Flames I think. <hr></blockquote>No, doesn't work for any of the ally procs as far as I can tell including the conj proc with is "Ember Seed", pheonixblade (wizzy), call to duty (pally), act of conviction (inquisitor), dire invective (defiler)...ect.. sure I'm forgetting a few but w/e you get the idea..</div>

[Dragonsviperz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fahrenheight wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dragonsviperz wrote:<BR>  or any of the DoT procs from a conj, which would be Booming Flames I think. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>No, doesn't work for any of the ally procs as far as I can tell including the conj proc with is "Ember Seed", pheonixblade (wizzy), call to duty (pally), act of conviction (inquisitor), dire invective (defiler)...ect.. sure I'm forgetting a few but w/e you get the idea..<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thought I said it didn't work...

[Fahrenheig]

guess I typed that wrong, I was agreeing with you and just saying I have been watching alot of other ally procs for a increase in crits and havent seen anything.<div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

Still never, ever seen a crit on termination effects like Untreated Bleeding or Blooming Flames.  That doesn't sound broken at all.

[Griffona]

I don't see any good outcome here.As it stands now, Assassin DPS is superior, if this ability where corrected, and our 4 DoTs started criting 52% of the time, our DPS would go through the roof.I'd love it if that happend...but its unlikelyAs I observe it, our AoE does crit with the melee crit rate....since i've seen a dramatic increase in crit rate...and i don't have Spell crits yet.<div></div>

[hayaikaze]

<P>Right Griff, our AOE dot does crit off our melee crit...I crit all the time and have not invested any points into the intel line atm.</P> <P>We can only hope they correct the problem allowing the magic crit ability to effect all of our dots as it should. </P> <P>Too much dps? Perhaps, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think it would be all that significant. <STRONG>Maybe reduce the % a bit and then fix the problem, that would strike a nice balance.</STRONG></P><p>Message Edited by hayaikaze on <span class=date_text>07-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:12 PM</span>

[Griffona]

I dunno. I might prefer to keep the crit rate on Mark and poison and leave it like it is....I'm a much bigger fan of mark and poison than i am of our 4 AoEs...<div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Griffonage wrote:<BR>I'm a much bigger fan of mark and poison than i am of our 4 AoEs...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wow!  I must be missing 2 AEs somewhere!

[Dragonsviperz]

Hmm, I count 2 AE's...Cloaked Assault and Slaughtersault....

[Griffona]

BAH!meant DoT's! <div></div>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> Still never, ever seen a crit on termination effects like Untreated Bleeding or Blooming Flames.  That doesn't sound broken at all.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's broken for every ability that has a termination effect.  They just get a 0% chance to crit, no matter what your crit chance is, completely broken.

[MystaSkrat]

At least I'm not the only one that notices it.  Wonder if it'll ever get fixed!

[hayaikaze]

<P>Being that it only works on Mark and our poison isn't enough for me to be content.</P> <P>It's working (criting) on about 1/4 of what it should. </P>

[Aienaa]

<P>I know it works on other spell based damage...    Since I play kinda off hours most of the time, I end up being the tank quite often in the mornings...  As tank, I usually have a damage shield on me and that crits all the time....</P> <P>I would have to go through parses to see if applied procs (wizzy, Conjurer, ect) are critting, as I'm not really watching for that...  </P> <P>But, I really think your all barking up the wrong tree expecting CA dots to crit from your spell procs...  They are Combat Arts, not Spells....  One of the Easiest ways to tell the difference between a CA and a Spell is if it gets resisted it has a much shorter recast than normal...  IE  Assassin's Mark line...  If resisted it comes right back up and you can try it again....   CA's make you wait the full recast...  IE all our frontal DOTs, AEs, ect...</P> <P>I don't think the skill is broken, it's just your expecting it to do something it's not suposed to do....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P>

[Kaiser Sigma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aienaa wrote:<BR> <P>I don't think the skill is broken, it's just your expecting it to do something it's not suposed to do....</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Nobody is expecting the skill to do anything that isn't written on its description.

[hayaikaze]

As Kaiser said, we don't want it to do anything SOE does not want it o do. The description says it will effect the DOT portion of all assassin combat arts.

[Dragonsviperz]

<P>Its broken. </P> <P>There is nothing more to it. It just does not work as intended. </P>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aienaa wrote:<BR> <P>But, I really think your all barking up the wrong tree <EM><STRONG>expecting CA dots to crit from your spell procs</STRONG></EM>...  They are Combat Arts, not Spells....  One of the Easiest ways to tell the difference between a CA and a Spell is if it gets resisted it has a much shorter recast than normal...  IE  Assassin's Mark line...  If resisted it comes right back up and you can try it again....   CA's make you wait the full recast...  IE all our frontal DOTs, AEs, ect...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>This screenshot I took today.  Doesn't it say right on it that it effects the DoT portion of <EM><STRONG>combat arts</STRONG></EM>?  I think it does.</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/spellcritAA.jpg"></P>

[Griffona]

Even if it worked Flowing Wound still wouldn't be worth casting on anything other than a raid mob. Seriously, what lasts 24 seconds?  couple named in HoF...and epics....that's about it<div></div>

[Aienaa]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>This screenshot I took today.  Doesn't it say right on it that it effects the DoT portion of <EM><STRONG>combat arts</STRONG></EM>?  I think it does.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And we all know what the description originally said, which is exactly how it is working now...  So ask yourself, is the skill bugged or is the description wrong??  I'd have to go with the description being wrong....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Read where it says....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>> Increases Damage SPELL Crit Chance of caster by 52%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hmmm...  Combat Arts and Damage Spells are not the same thing.... Yet both are used used in the description.... But we all know we have a different AA skill that effects Combat Arts...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The AA skill that effects Combat Arts already effects the DOT portion of CAs, so do you really think they are going to make the Spell Crit AA skill do the same thing??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</DIV>

[hayaikaze]

<P>Aienaa, no, the AA skill that effects Combat Arts does NOT effect the DOT portion of CAs. Nothing seems to.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Dragonsviperz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aienaa wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>This screenshot I took today.  Doesn't it say right on it that it effects the DoT portion of <EM><STRONG>combat arts</STRONG></EM>?  I think it does.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And we all know what the description originally said, which is exactly how it is working now...  So ask yourself, is the skill bugged or is the description wrong??  I'd have to go with the description being wrong....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Read where it says....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>>Increases Damage SPELL Crit Chance of caster by 52%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hmmm...  Combat Arts and Damage Spells are not the same thing.... Yet both are used used in the description.... But we all know we have a different AA skill that effects Combat Arts...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The AA skill that effects Combat Arts already effects the DOT portion of CAs, so do you really think they are going to make the Spell Crit AA skill do the same thing??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Did you happen to read the part where it says WHEN USING POISONS AND <FONT color=#ff0000 size=5><STRONG>DAMAGE OVER-TIME COMPONENTS </STRONG></FONT>OF COMBAT ARTS.<BR></P> <P>Thought I would bold, increase font and color that little part of the description. </P> <P>Its broken.</P>

[Griffona]

quick...someone get him some catnip<div></div>

[Aienaa]

<DIV> <P>Did you happen to read the part where it says WHEN USING POISONS AND <FONT color=#ff0000 size=5><STRONG>DAMAGE OVER-TIME COMPONENTS </STRONG></FONT>OF COMBAT ARTS.<BR></P> <P>Thought I would bold, increase font and color that little part of the description.</P> <P>Its broken.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P>You need some reading comprehension lessons...   If you would have put the effort it took using bold letters, larger fonts and coloring them, into reading what I wrote, then maybe you would have found that I already discussing the information which you felt it was necessary to point out....  Ignorance is bliss, I'm glad your happy....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</P></DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aienaa wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>You need some reading comprehension lessons...   If you would have put the effort it took using bold letters, larger fonts and coloring them, into reading what I wrote, then maybe you would have found that I already discussing the information which you felt it was necessary to point out....  Ignorance is bliss, I'm glad your happy....</P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>What you wrote is that the DoTs parts of CAs shouldn't be affected by Toxic Expertise because it's already being modified by Presicion of Blades.  Here's the thing.  Its says right in the skill that it is <EM>supposed</EM> to affect the DoT parts of the CA arts, not the initial part.  So, logical thinking leads us to the conclusion that the initial portion of a CA should be using PoB to crit, while the DoT portion of it should be using TE to crit.  Does that make sense?  And the problem is, that's not what's happening, and we all know it.  Unless you want to tell me it's worded wrong, and has been for months, instead of just being broken...<BR></P><p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>07-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:29 PM</span>

[Dragonsviperz]

<P>Gwern you must be the only person that thinks the ability is working as intended. Your reading comprehension is off a bit. Please shut the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up and stop posting. You are a [Removed for Content], and a noob. </P> <P>Thank you and have a horrible day.</P>

[Aienaa]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>What you wrote is that the DoTs parts of CAs shouldn't be affected by Toxic Expertise because it's already being modified by Presicion of Blades.  Here's the thing.  Its says right in the skill that it is <EM>supposed</EM> to affect the DoT parts of the CA arts, not the initial part.  So, logical thinking leads us to the conclusion that the initial portion of a CA should be using PoB to crit, while the DoT portion of it should be using TE to crit.  Does that make sense?  And the problem is, that's not what's happening, and we all know it.  Unless you want to tell me it's worded wrong, and has been for months, instead of just being broken...</FONT><BR> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You have been around long enough, so you should also know how it was worded before, which is what I was talking about.....   That the way it was working was exactly how it was worded before....  Since then, they changed the description to include the DOT portion of CAs, but it didn't effect that....  So the question I raised was....   It is working exactly as the old description said, but not as the new description says, so which is correct??  Is it a bug, or a over zealous worker trying to dress up an otherwise boring description?? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Picture of the old description, which has no mention of DOT portion of CAs...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://janus.ntsj.com/eq2/ach/predator/Predator_INT_4__Toxic_Expertise_1.jpg"></DIV> <DIV>Which was changed to this, which added DOT portion of CAs.....</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/spellcritAA.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You should also know that the DOT portion of Slaughtersault does in fact crit, and that it is based off Melee Crits AA Skill, not Spell Crits AA Skill....  So this goes aginst the description of the Spell Crit AA, which lead to further question if the description of the Spell Crit AA skill was correct or not...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We also know that the Spell Crit did in fact work for poisons, weapon procs, Damage Shields and for the Assassin's Mark line, which again fits the old description perfectly....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What was not working was crits for our frontal DOTs, Termination Effect and some applied melee procs....  By the old description the frontal CA DOTs and Termination Effect would have been included under Melee Crits because they are CAs...  The applied melee procs should have been covered by the Spell Crits....  All of them would be covered by Spell Crits after the description was changed, but none of them were working period...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, everything that was working, was working under the old descriptions...  IE Slaughtersault DOT crits were effected by the Melee Crit AA and not the Spell Crit AA....  Under the new Spell Crit description, Slaughtersault would be considered broken because it was using melee crit chance and not spell crit....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The reason I even brought this up, was because someone said that the devs were ignoring posts saying it was broken....  So, considering what was working and what was effecting each, I questioned if the description was right or not since it had been changed from the original description...   What was working, worked under the old description... IE Slaughtersault's DOT was critting off the Melee Crit AA skill and not the Spell Crit AA skill</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Gwern you must be the only person that thinks the ability is working as intended. Your reading comprehension is off a bit. Please shut the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up and stop posting. You are a [Removed for Content], and a noob. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>Thank you and have a horrible day.</FONT></P> <HR> </DIV> <P>Again, if you could possibly understand what you read, then you might see that I was saying that what was working, was working under the old description....  But since you can't understand, you have to resort to telling me to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and calling me a [Removed for Content] and a noob....  Guess it's a good thing that you have Skratch there to hold your hand, because he knows whats going on and doesn't have to resort to petty name calling....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</P>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>I still find it hard to beleive you know what you're talking about when you mention the DoT on Slaughtersault critting (more than once) when Slaughtersault doesn't even have a DoT component to it... I mean, at least do some research before you come here acting like you know what you're talking about :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[Aienaa]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>I still find it hard to beleive you know what you're talking about when you mention the DoT on Slaughtersault critting (more than once) when Slaughtersault doesn't even have a DoT component to it... I mean, at least do some research before you come here acting like you know what you're talking about</FONT> <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 border=0> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blah, doing this from work so can't double check the name since most game sites are blocked from here, including EQ2Players and Ogaming...   Sorry, had the name switched with the other AOE, it's Cloaked Assault, our AOE attack that has a DOT attached to it...  The DOT on that has always crit using the Melee Crit AA skill...  And like I said, it follows the old description....  Under the new description is should crit using Spell Crit AA because it's a CA DOT....  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</DIV>

[thebigtime]

<div></div>The old description was changed because it was confusing to most people. It is the same way with the perfectionist description they just didn't change that one, remember how many assassins said it changed your timer to 7.5 on decap? Yea you were prolly one of them.As for the TE description the term critical spell damage or spell crit was used because they had already used melee crit in the PoB AA. The term was used so there was a distinct difference between the wording of the two and therefore no confusion. After some time they deemed it necessary to change the wording of the AA because so many people didn't know what it did and didn't affect. So now we have a new description, that very clearly states what it is and isn't supposed to affect.The wording on the actual crit chance was never changed from damage spell crit, but does it really need to be? The fact is TE is supposed to affect DoT portion of all skills, damage procs, and yes, Malignant Mark as that is considered DoT.You might try doing some research before you start making false claims on forums, thank you, that is all.

[Aienaa]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>As for the TE description the term critical spell damage or spell crit was used because they had already used melee crit in the PoB AA.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>The fact is TE is supposed to affect DoT portion of all skills, damage procs, and yes, Malignant Mark as that is considered DoT.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, are you trying to say that Cloaked Assault is an exception?  It's a Melee CA with a DOT, yet is not covered by the TE Spell Crit AA skill, since it's DOT portion crits off the Melee Crit AA Skill??   Or are you contradicting yourself here, because first you say it's melee crit, then you say that all DOTs are suposed to be effected by the Spell Crit AA, which Cloaked Assault is a DOT...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> <FONT color=#ffff00>You might try doing some research before you start making false claims on forums, thank you, that is all.</FONT> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, what false claims are you refering to??  I'd really like to hear this one...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</DIV>

[thebigtime]

<div></div>If you had read my post more carefully you might understand what I am saying. I am saying that the initial damage of such skills as Cloaked Assault, Scraping Blow etc. is intended to crit based on the PoB AA, while the DoT of such skills is intended to crit based on the TE AA. Now I'm sure you don't know why this is so I will explain it.When the DEV's were balancing out AA's and dps among class archetypes they found it too overpowering to have not only the initial damage but also the DoT of the skill based on TE crit %. Therefore they came up with the fix of making initial damage crit based on PoB since initial is higher then the DoT (termination effects being the exception) while making the DoT portion crit based on TE.You shouldn't assume that just because Cloaked Assault is currenty critting based on PoB that it is intended. The intention, as I've eluded to above is to have its intial damage base itself off of PoB and its DoT base itself off of TE.I'm not a DEV nor am I affiliated with the company in any manner so I can't give you a reason as to why this has not been fixed yet and I'm not going to speculate about it either.As far as what false claims am I referring to....Why don't I start with the glaringly obvious one where you claim TE and PoB are in fact NOT broken and their description IS broken.

[Aienaa]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>If you had read my post more carefully you might understand what I am saying. I am saying that the initial damage of such skills as Cloaked Assault, Scraping Blow etc. is intended to crit based on the PoB AA, while the DoT of such skills is intended to crit based on the TE AA. Now I'm sure you don't know why this is so I will explain it.</FONT> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Since you obviously have not read anything I have been saying.....  Yes, Cloaked Assault initial damage is suposed to come from the melee crit AA skill, and as per the description of the spell crit AA skill, the dot portion should be effected by that...  And here is the major thing you have failed to understand....  Both the initial and the dot portion of Cloaked Assault is effected by the Melee Crit AA skil...  Which I have said repeatedly, falls in line with the way that the spell crit was initially described...  Which lead me to this....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> <FONT color=#ffff00>As far as what false claims am I referring to....Why don't I start with the glaringly obvious one where you claim TE and PoB are in fact NOT broken and their description IS broken.</FONT> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I had suggested that if Cloaked Assault is currently working under the old description, that maybe the new description was incorrect...  Because at the time, nothing was working as the new description had stated....  And since none of the Devs came out and said yes it is bugged, we had no proof one way or the other if the description was correct or not.... Because Cloaked Assault was working under the guidlines of the old description, while none of the CAs were working under the new description....  So, if you want to call that false claims go right ahead.... I was just questioning if the current description was right because nothing worked the way it stated, but something was working the way the old description had stated....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 70 Assassin - Kithicor</DIV>