Raiding assassin discussion

[judged_one]

AASta-lineAnyone tried the "Hurricane" AA down the Sta line.Attack up to 4 target on automelee.anyone think it is useful. Since there are many muti trash raid mobs.Str-lineCurrently I am using perfectionist and I am liking it. I am able to get off db almost every encounterInt-lineCan anyone confirm that Proc Crit is useless, have it at lvl 8 before and don't really see a different in parser.ProcAnyone find any fable procing-damage dw yet, there are 2 fable dws in Labs, AR is pretty good. Anyone notice that stuff are procing a lot less lately. I remember my Bow CA use to pro pretty often but not anymore(Imagination?)PoisonAnyone find poison a lot more expensive now 5golds + for grandmaster vs 15golds 7/7 t6Arrows7 golds a stack, we are so [Removed for Content], Better start farming these solo mobs for body dropDPSHow much are you guys doing on raid, realisticly, not the 1 in 10 min drop all you ca parse.I think a realistic assassin DPS is about 800-1200 and upward to 1400And on AOE hvy mob 500-800Also notice that Wizard and Warlock are doing less DPS then briuser and Swashy:Anyone can confirm that.GearWhat do you guys look for in this tier.Seems like resist gear are easy to get this tier. I can get heat-cold-poison-magic up to 80% cap pretty easy.Str seems to be pretty good too. But I am having problem finding a good BP. These stupid chain relic bp never drops.ClaymoreAnyone else think it is junk. 6% to proc a 36 sec aoe immunity.Sounds like a long shot. I rather go for the 1 hand and pray for double attack next expansion?OverallI am pretty happy with assassin DPS, we are currently 2-4 spots on raid. But Summoner nerf will change that I think.Anyone think we will be nerfed? since Wizard, Ranger and Warlock are doing so bad?

[Recca[BK]]

no hurricane is not useful because you would have to detract AA points from other more useful AA lintes ie STR/INT and who honestly cares about the trash mobs, thats generally when frutal/honed come up and i ninja an afk. besides they drop is 30 to 40 sec anyhow. AA wise there are really only 2 decisions imo 1. intox or perfection 2. where to toss that final point =)im guessing you mean spell crit, and it does work for mark and poions, as skratt posted already the CA dots seems to work off melee crits. and i noticed that thermal shocker if anyone kept that procs nearly all the time. Procing was reduced with lu20 (the great ranger nerf) so nothin procs like it used to, i can still go through a decent amount of poison in long raids like labs. poison thats just your server. im forced to sell grands at 2gp or cheaper cause we have a lot of fools that dotn want to make money for their time. 800 is bear minimum dps, you really should be over 1k on all fights but heavy AE ones. on AE fights gear up with resist so you can stay in the AE at least every other one. our brig just got a nice one hander DR like 81 or so, with his AA he can do insane dps. he was puttin some serious numbers up with it.im surprised sony didnt replace the claymore proc with FT14 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but yeah proc seem pretty crappy imo.we will be top dps once 24 comes, so i hate to say it but that just puts us next in line on the block.

[judged_one]

DPS:I do about 1k-1200 normally, and 1400+ if group is right and I try really hard.But when I slack I do about 800 (Automelee + Haste + Brutal ftw) That's why I want hurricanes, so it doesnt look like I am slacking too much.When I say Aoe Hvy I meant named mob like Vim that does 3-4k even with 4k mit.Notice most of the mob(dagons) does mit-based aoe now which sucks.Otherwise I sacrifice str and int for mit and resist to beat on these trash mob and easy name.AA:Wouldn't it be better to sink that 8 proc crit to get + 20 more str or int?Sta: More health is also good if you go down stamina line?Poison: Boo lucky for you, the cheapest I see is 4g52 s and I use like 4-5 a raid + debuff 4-5 and the slow attack one 4-5that's 75g just on poison. And I use about 30g worth of arrows. so basicly 1 plat ticket for raid.I relly miss these t5 1/2 hour raid. Go in get it done, and move on.Nah, We wont be always top 1, in different situation bruiser and swashy and brigand will come ahead.but I hope they buff wizard so they won't get us nerfed.

[Graton]

<div></div>the int line is not useless. it makes our best ca, malignant mark, crit 52% of the time. this is a huge dps increase. str / int are the only lines an assassin should consider in my opinion. our job is dmg and those two lines get us more.as for our dmg, i'm quite pleased with where we are. raid dps from what i've seen looks like:tier 1 - necros , conjurors , assassinstier 2 - swashbuckler, bruisers , rangerstier 3 - wizard, warlock , brigand, berzerker , monkno one pays attention past that. btw, i'm not saying tier 1 /2 / 3 in any relation to the posted dps tiers. the 11 classes listed above make up about 80% of the dmg when we raid and that's how they typically rank in relation to one another. some fights are different from others of course but generally in total dmg done in a raid that's how they'd break out.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Graton on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:56 AM</span>

[Recca[BK]]

i generally have about 7k hp in my dps group, if you arent getting heals find a new healer. are they gonna kick you outta the raid if you dont wanna go all out on trash mobs for 2 hours? even your slack is better than rangers <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. stats are way too easy get on a raid, i have 3 main dps groups depending on what the raid is. 1. 550+ str 450int my favorite2. 490 str 400 int my usual3. 550 str 208 int (base int) i dont think anyone should use AAs for stat bonus a pure waste. 20 more str, or crit your mark 90% time. thats not a tough call. try looking for scintilating dust and find an alchy. thatll be the cheaper way to go. and it sounds like you are on befallen one of the most inflated servers. as for arrows i dont to many maybe 2 stacks a raid but i have a woodworker that makes them so again you are paying more. i would hope your guild has at least 1 alchy and if he is charging you 5gp thats insane and you should break his kneecaps.

[Dragonsviperz]

<DIV>AA's - STR: Perfectionist, and max crit melee</DIV> <DIV>           INT: Max crit</DIV> <DIV>Raid stats - max str, agi, around 300 sta, and 250 int</DIV> <DIV>DPS - 1600+ avg </DIV> <DIV>Weapons - Longsword of Perfection(proc Destructive Aura) and Adamantine Dragon Fang or Qeynos Cutlass(when I get it soon)</DIV> <DIV>Poisons - Grandmasters all for Caustic, Warding Ebb, and Ingnorant Bliss</DIV> <DIV>Gear - <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=261004108" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=261004108</A></DIV> <DIV>Resists are ok, still using some t6 gear which was heavy on Divine and Poison for me.</DIV> <DIV>Claymore - Heard if procs more then it says, well, often enough that I will use on trash mobs in HoS or just in general.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We are a great class. Usually parse wise for me I'm around 1-3. Don't know what summoner nerf will bring, made a noobie necro on Nek server to play around(I died while making this post...)</DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dragonsviperz wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>made a noobie necro on Nek server to play around<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You mean to bug me? :smileyhappy:  If I'm under 1100ish DPS then I'm probably not paying much attention.   I threw all the named fights in Halls of the Seeing tonight together on ACT and averaged 1600+ DPS over 16 minutes (8 fights).  My group always owns for DPS... but that's because I put it together to  :smileyhappy:

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Graton wrote:<BR> <BR>tier 1 - necros , conjurors , assassins<BR>tier 2 - swashbuckler, bruisers , rangers<BR>tier 3 - wizard, warlock , brigand, berzerker , monk<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Our wizard is definately in the first tier.  He can put out 1000 dps consistantly, except the really long (5+ min) fights.

[Dragonsviperz]

You lie.

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>Maybe... but not about any of that stuff!</DIV>

[Dragonsviperz]

Hmm, so you do lie!?

[MystaSkrat]

Yea... like when I say you're better than me?  I'm lying.

[Griffona]

INT line is GREAT as opposed to useless.  (though I choose STR line first)Mark Crits for 50%+Extra Poison Debuff makes for ~3400 total poison debuff Poison Crits for 50%+ poison will hit for 2k +Not to mention thats not JUST for you, but all scouts take advantage of your poison debuffs...so do warlocks.  One of the few ways we actually assist other classes.Our other two DoT's Crit like crazy as well, with thier low recast timers and .5 sec casting time, its nearly free (free as in doesn't take away from you're other skills) dps increase.<div></div>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Griffonage wrote:INT line is GREAT as opposed to useless.  (though I choose STR line first)Mark Crits for 50%+Extra Poison Debuff makes for ~3400 total poison debuff Poison Crits for 50%+ poison will hit for 2k +Not to mention thats not JUST for you, but all scouts take advantage of your poison debuffs...so do warlocks.  One of the few ways we actually assist other classes.Our other two DoT's Crit like crazy as well, with thier low recast timers and .5 sec casting time, its nearly free (free as in doesn't take away from you're other skills) dps increase.<div></div><hr></blockquote>our other dots crit at the melee crit rate actually. but toxic expertise is still a great ability. there is a thread about this <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=achievements&message.id=2530" target=_blank>here</a></div>

[judged_one]

So did anyone even tried STA line?I know that int line does quite a bit, but x4s taget could be pretty ineteresting? I do agree that I love the 3.5-4 k poison debuff we can put out, my guild warlock is very thankful of that.And when the Shaman decided to debuff at the same time, our warlock would kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] in DPS.I seen 1800-2400 on group encounters before he was mowed down from aggro.In terms of the 1600+ comments, you realize you are saying that U did about 1.5 million damages in 16 min. I see our necro with 1700 sustained. but most t1 - dps comes in at 1000ish over 15-16 min. I agree that 1600 is easily done with the right DPS group and CA being up, but I doubt that we can sustain that, and to say that you can do 1600 average would means that you are ranging form 1400-1800 constanly, which I have reserve about that. If we are really doing 1600 average I fear that we will get the nerf bat pretty soon.

[Griffona]

I can't verify claims of lvl 70sbut my raiding this past weekend (T6, Lockjaw, Gates of Ahket ...) as a lvl 61 assassin, with legendary equip, primarily Adept III's couple masters my dps was as follows90% of fights where consistently 800-900 DPSI peaked at 1133, broke 1k 2 other timesI recall against lockjaw specifically I hit 903 DPS.I had 21 AAs at the time with 8 in the STR line crit chance, I crit'd 33 times vs Lockjaw including Assassinate for 13199 and Deathly Blade for 6000+I see no reason to believe that I won't be able to keep my average DPS well above 1k (guessing 1.2-1.4 ) by the time I'm lvl 70, re-equip myself and scribe all the new CA's <div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> judged_one wrote:<BR><BR>In terms of the 1600+ comments, you realize you are saying that U did about 1.5 million damages in 16 min. I see our necro with 1700 sustained. but most t1 - dps comes in at 1000ish over 15-16 min. I agree that 1600 is easily done with the right DPS group and CA being up, but I doubt that we can sustain that, and to say that you can do 1600 average would means that you are ranging form 1400-1800 constanly, which I have reserve about that. If we are really doing 1600 average I fear that we will get the nerf bat pretty soon.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I never said I averaged 1600 dps for 16 minutes.  I said that when I threw all the named fights in HoS together, it averaged out to 1600... and I was a little off, it was more like 1400ish I think... I'll try to get some screen shots to show you what I mean.</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/b21ee9f1.jpg"><BR></P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/679524cd.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/4cfc7e18.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/85ac0ba8.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/f85bd0ac.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/435cd318.jpg"></P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/c94928f6.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>And this is all of them merged... right about 1400 DPS just like I said:</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/6338311d.jpg"></P> <P>You asked what some of us do DPS wise... I'm just trying to show you :smileyhappy:</P> <P>If that's too much DPS for a class that has <EM><STRONG>nothing</STRONG></EM> to offer but DPS... then I want to cry.</P><p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>05-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:39 PM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV> <P> <HR> <P></P> <P>you are ranging form 1400-1800 constanly, which I have reserve about that. If we are really doing 1600 average I fear that we will get the nerf bat pretty soon. </P> <P> <HR> <P></P> <P>1400+ isn't that rare for me to hit, even on the longer fights.  And I wouldn't say we do 1600 average at all... most assassins don't have what I have going for me, which is: a) I'm always in a melee dps group, for obvious reasons, b)  I have nearly all masters and c)  I'm probably one of the best equipped assassins in the game right now.  I think it would be very hard for the average player to hit 1400+ on any regular basis.  I would take most parses from assassins in the top raiding guilds as the high mark, not the standard.</P> <P> </P> <P>edit - I'm not trying to brag or anything, I'm just trying to make it clear that in order to hit the highest numbers you can, it requires a lot of work on your character, and not just skill playing your class.</P></DIV><p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>05-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:13 PM</span>

[Al]

i love you skratch! BTW i own you tig! FTW <P><SPAN class=time_text>Heres some named parses from Lyceum today for crappy measure. Im MT grp [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] btw since no coercer or dirge and lack of troubs for deaggro.</SPAN> <P><SPAN class=time_text><IMG src="http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4715/gnill30xg.jpg"></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><IMG src="http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2971/playful29oc.jpg"></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><IMG src="http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3409/priest3ap.jpg"></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN>  <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Alza on <span class=date_text>05-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:30 PM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alza wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><IMG src="http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2971/playful29oc.jpg"></SPAN></P> <P> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You totally owned me on crits!</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/gnorbl.jpg"><BR></P></DIV>

[Al]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> <DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Alza wrote:<BR> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><IMG src="http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2971/playful29oc.jpg"></SPAN></P> <P> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You totally owned me on crits!</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/gnorbl.jpg"><BR></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'd hope so, fight lasted twice as long as yours cause [Removed for Content] kept killing his pets. >.<<BR>

[ClioMuse]

<DIV>I'm glad to see this discussion going, I'm always looking to improve my raiding techniques.  One thing I'm interested in is specific group make-up when you're hitting those 1400-1600 dps?  I'm always trying to figure out which are the best classes I should be bugging the raid leader to give me. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as AAs go, I went down both the STR and the INT lines, getting Perfectionist and Intoxication.  I'm liking them both, but wondering how much I'm hurting my DPS by not maxing out the crit chances.  I just don't know which one I would drop. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Azaren</DIV>

[Graton]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>ClioMuse wrote:<div></div> <div>I'm glad to see this discussion going, I'm always looking to improve my raiding techniques.  One thing I'm interested in is specific group make-up when you're hitting those 1400-1600 dps?  I'm always trying to figure out which are the best classes I should be bugging the raid leader to give me. </div> <div> </div> <div>As far as AAs go, I went down both the STR and the INT lines, getting Perfectionist and Intoxication.  I'm liking them both, but wondering how much I'm hurting my DPS by not maxing out the crit chances.  I just don't know which one I would drop. </div> <div> </div> <div>Azaren</div><hr></blockquote>i would definately recommend dropping one and maxing both crits. but if you wanted to parse before and after that would be cool =). love to see the results

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ClioMuse wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm glad to see this discussion going, I'm always looking to improve my raiding techniques.  One thing I'm interested in is specific group make-up when you're hitting those 1400-1600 dps?  I'm always trying to figure out which are the best classes I should be bugging the raid leader to give me. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as AAs go, I went down both the STR and the INT lines, getting Perfectionist and Intoxication.  I'm liking them both, but wondering how much I'm hurting my DPS by not maxing out the crit chances.  I just don't know which one I would drop. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Azaren</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The most important thing for your group to have imo is a troubador, they're deagro song is invaluable.  They also buff STR/STA, important stats for an assassin.  I also usually have a wizard (STR/INT, proc) and conjurer (mit, resists, proc), and most times a druid or Inq.  I maxed both crit AAs and took Perfectionist... I wouldn't give it up for anything now :smileyhappy:</P> <P>Alza!  I was in the MT group today cuz our dirges are slackers on fridays.. completely served Harla dar.. bard AE avoid, guild level 50 avoid, wards and max resists =  0 damage FTW</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/harladar.jpg"><BR></P>

[Eynki]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P> <HR> <P></P> <P>you are ranging form 1400-1800 constanly, which I have reserve about that. If we are really doing 1600 average I fear that we will get the nerf bat pretty soon. </P> <P> <HR> <P></P> <P>1400+ isn't that rare for me to hit, even on the longer fights.  And I wouldn't say we do 1600 average at all... most assassins don't have what I have going for me, which is: a) I'm always in a melee dps group, for obvious reasons, b)  I have nearly all masters and c)  I'm probably one of the best equipped assassins in the game right now.  I think it would be very hard for the average player to hit 1400+ on any regular basis.  I would take most parses from assassins in the top raiding guilds as the high mark, not the standard.</P> <P> </P> <P>edit - I'm not trying to brag or anything, I'm just trying to make it clear that in order to hit the highest numbers you can, it requires a lot of work on your character, and not just skill playing your class.</P></DIV> <P>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <SPAN class=date_text>05-18-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:13 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think you hit it right on the mark there. It has been my observation that there are very few assassins in high end raiding guilds, therefore most assassins are not geard as well as us raiding assassins. I am in the same boat as you, i have all t7 masters except 2 which are adept 3 ( freking slaughtersault is near impossible to find), I mave just about all t7 fabled as well.</P> <P>My current AA's are as follows. balenced for raidning and solo. i average 1400 dps over the length of the raid/raid instance. and range from 1200-1800 depending on the mob and weather i have to joust.</P> <P><BR> Blademaster's Strength  4/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Bladed Opening  4/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Intercepting Blades  6/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Precision of Blades  8/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Perfectionist  0/1 8  <BR> <BR>  <BR> Nightshade's Intelligence  4/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Poison Combination  4/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Neurotoxic Coating  7/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Toxic Expertise  4/8 1  <BR> <BR>  Intoxication  1/1 8  <BR></P>

[Al]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ClioMuse wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm glad to see this discussion going, I'm always looking to improve my raiding techniques.  One thing I'm interested in is specific group make-up when you're hitting those 1400-1600 dps?  I'm always trying to figure out which are the best classes I should be bugging the raid leader to give me. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as AAs go, I went down both the STR and the INT lines, getting Perfectionist and Intoxication.  I'm liking them both, but wondering how much I'm hurting my DPS by not maxing out the crit chances.  I just don't know which one I would drop. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Azaren</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The most important thing for your group to have imo is a troubador, they're deagro song is invaluable.  They also buff STR/STA, important stats for an assassin.  I also usually have a wizard (STR/INT, proc) and conjurer (mit, resists, proc), and most times a druid or Inq.  I maxed both crit AAs and took Perfectionist... I wouldn't give it up for anything now :smileyhappy:</P> <P>Alza!  I was in the MT group today cuz our dirges are slackers on fridays.. completely served Harla dar.. bard AE avoid, guild level 50 avoid, wards and max resists =  0 damage FTW</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/harladar.jpg"><BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yea I aint complaining too much although I could do more DPS in a different group but it sure is nice having 8000+HP to rely on =p Nice DPS above btw!<BR></DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<P>I'll tank!</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/1e6ce52b.jpg"></P>

[pczry]

nice stuff Skratch.  I dont know how you guys fight Harla Dar, but we normally burn him down.  Do you guys do aoe call on him or something?  I noticed in your parse you took no damage whatsoever on Harla Dar. <div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

Usually on Harla I have a druid, so I take damage, but it's cured pretty quick.  On that particular fight, I was in the MT group, with a defiler for wards, and our bards have that group AE avoid, I had that guild level 50 AE avoid item, and pretty much maxed cold and magic resists... definately the best I've done on her :smileyhappy:

[Dragonsviperz]

<P>*cough* show off *cough* </P> <P>=P</P>

[MystaSkrat]

You're just jealous Tig!  But what else is new? :smileytongue:

[Dragonsviperz]

*sigh*

[pczry]

Hes also mad that hes not a Dark Elf!<span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[Dragonsviperz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pczryan wrote:<BR>Hes also mad that hes not a Dark Elf!<SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I hate DE's. Kerrans ftw.

[MystaSkrat]

You hate DE cuz you're not one.  You're simply content with being a kerran :smileyhappy:

[Dragonsviperz]

I will cough a hairball on you, now what!?

[blurryfast]

what's this gl50 avoid ae item? guess I gotta go to city merchant eh?keep the good info coming, thanks guys<div></div>

[Dragonsviperz]

<DIV>EFP at the top where the inn is. Signet of Ethereal Form. Its not that expensive.</DIV>

[Hadanelith]

<DIV>Dragons - I'd love to know where your Longsword came from *hint hint*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Skratch - Nice. I'm probably a bit behind you equipment wise, but I average about 1100 overall and get up to about 1500 on nameds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I usually don't have the best bufferage I could have - TRB haste to put me at 44% and INQ DPS to put me at 92% there - but I also have a hard time getting poisons on my server, so those numbers are more or less poisonless =/ There's NEVER any on the Market, and some people are living incarnations of a Negative Walmart: "Always High Prices. Always."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A brief summary of equipment:</DIV> <DIV>Grizzfazzle's Dirk + Turadramin's Fang (we've only had TWO Scout DW drop in over a dozen runs into LoLV =/)</DIV> <DIV>Nightfall Tunic (yes, the effect is a very very minor boost... but every bit helps)</DIV> <DIV>All important Masters obtained except Mask of Night and Cloaked Assault, and our lvl 57 DoT move.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unbuffed stats and all equipment here: <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=210798106" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=210798106</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(EDIT: +3 each STR and AGI from that setup to my normal one. Foreman's Shank for soloing gives 5 more to stats than Turadramin's Fang, but my alternate shoulders give +8 to those... -5 each, +8 each, net +3. INT goes up w/ other shoulders too.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even on AE-Heavy encounters I parse 850 MINIMUM unless someone distracts me w/ tells. That's without Poisons. Besides, I like knowing my DPS w/o Poisons, makes me all the better with them &gt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor</DIV><p>Message Edited by Hadanelith on <span class=date_text>05-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:01 AM</span>

[Graton]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Hadanelith wrote:<div></div> <div>Dragons - I'd love to know where your Longsword came from *hint hint*</div> <div> </div> <div>Skratch - Nice. I'm probably a bit behind you equipment wise, but I average about 1100 overall and get up to about 1500 on nameds.</div> <div> </div> <div>I usually don't have the best bufferage I could have - TRB haste to put me at 44% and INQ DPS to put me at 92% there - but I also have a hard time getting poisons on my server, so those numbers are more or less poisonless =/ There's NEVER any on the Market, and some people are living incarnations of a Negative Walmart: "Always High Prices. Always."</div> <div> </div> <div>A brief summary of equipment:</div> <div>Grizzfazzle's Dirk + Turadramin's Fang (we've only had TWO Scout DW drop in over a dozen runs into LoLV =/)</div> <div>Nightfall Tunic (yes, the effect is a very very minor boost... but every bit helps)</div> <div>All important Masters obtained except Mask of Night and Cloaked Assault, and our lvl 57 DoT move.</div> <div> </div> <div>Unbuffed stats and all equipment here: <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=210798106" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=210798106</a></div> <div> </div> <div>(EDIT: +3 each STR and AGI from that setup to my normal one. Foreman's Shank for soloing gives 5 more to stats than Turadramin's Fang, but my alternate shoulders give +8 to those... -5 each, +8 each, net +3. INT goes up w/ other shoulders too.)</div> <div> </div> <div>Even on AE-Heavy encounters I parse 850 MINIMUM unless someone distracts me w/ tells. That's without Poisons. Besides, I like knowing my DPS w/o Poisons, makes me all the better with them &gt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> <div>-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor</div><p>Message Edited by Hadanelith on <span class="date_text">05-23-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:01 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>you'd help yourself out alot if you did wurmslayer. undoubtedly you'll get another dual wield soon but be nice to only have to bid on one. the longsword of perfection comes from the three princes.</div><p>Message Edited by Graton on <span class=date_text>05-23-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 AM</span>

[judged_one]

you'd help yourself out alot if you did wurmslayer. undoubtedly you'll get another dual wield soon but be nice to only have to bid on one. the longsword of perfection comes from the three princes.Wish I have the time to ts to 70. I really hate and always wonder why they force adventurer to craft. I wounldnt mind, if I have to pay someone some plats to do it for me.Either way with LU 24 I am goign to try to lvl up my 30 alchy.

[Dragonsviperz]

<P>My sword comes from the Princes yea. Wurmslayer is also a great weapon that I want to get sometime but too lazy to craft. </P> <P>There is also a pretty nice weapon that we got from DT the other day, its called Talonsreach. Decent stats but best of all it has a proc.</P>

[Recca[BK]]

alchys can lvl sooo amazingly fast, dont wait till 24 to get him youll miss out on tons of discovery xp. 30 40 and 50 there are like 40 solvents and solutions to make, just doing those will get you 4 lvls before you even start on spells. minimum of 6 discoveries per lvl, not to mention potions and poisons, you can grind and alch from 1 to 65 in a week. do it before the take all the subs away i promise itll go much faster.

[Eynki]

We got a DW sword in DT the other night Called "WindRazor". its damage was like 63 or so and had a proc that summoned a limited pet. I thought it was kinda neet. it also looks like a frekin light saber

[judged_one]

Yeah, really should get off my lazy butt and lvl to 65 alchy. But still need to catch up on claymore - Yeah I am really lazyAnd I have to lvl my fury to 70 - to betray to warden since our warden is MIAlol I am even too lazy to walk down to naggy to get my bracelet of urberness- waiting for some conjuror to offer the 50g ride express.I only play afterwork, and every night is another 4 hours raid. so it is hard to do a lot of stuff,especially long quest that requires group like claymore. And soloing in PoA is like almost impossible.Still stuck at sixoflock, and GEM 3 refuse to drop in 3 farm session. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] bad luck.Hopeful these DW will drop for me this Saturday at DT. Still haven't seen any good dw worth bidding on yet, since you can get Wurmslayer and claymore.And our guild haven't seen a chain BP Relic yet, it is always cloth or leather junk.

[Al]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ClioMuse wrote:<BR> <DIV>I'm glad to see this discussion going, I'm always looking to improve my raiding techniques.  One thing I'm interested in is specific group make-up when you're hitting those 1400-1600 dps?  I'm always trying to figure out which are the best classes I should be bugging the raid leader to give me. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as AAs go, I went down both the STR and the INT lines, getting Perfectionist and Intoxication.  I'm liking them both, but wondering how much I'm hurting my DPS by not maxing out the crit chances.  I just don't know which one I would drop. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Azaren</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The most important thing for your group to have imo is a troubador, they're deagro song is invaluable.  They also buff STR/STA, important stats for an assassin.  I also usually have a wizard (STR/INT, proc) and conjurer (mit, resists, proc), and most times a druid or Inq.  I maxed both crit AAs and took Perfectionist... I wouldn't give it up for anything now :smileyhappy:</P> <P>Alza!  I was in the MT group today cuz our dirges are slackers on fridays.. completely served Harla dar.. bard AE avoid, guild level 50 avoid, wards and max resists =  0 damage FTW</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/harladar.jpg"><BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>We are very much alike Mr Skratch.</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text><IMG src="http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h111/Guerillah/harla.gif"></SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by Alza on <span class=date_text>06-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:44 PM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>I win :smileytongue: !!  Although, this isn't Harla Dar here, it might be trash mobs... it's from another thread and I can't remember now  :smileyhappy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/fe8a8a6f.jpg"></DIV><p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>06-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:48 PM</span>

[Al]

<DIV>LOL stupid picture editor, got it fixed.</DIV>

[Dragonsviperz]

Hmm, I think I did 2K a few times in DT. Let me see....

[Al]

trash mobs dont count [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tig! I've done 2k+ numerous times as well =p Heres a new game we can play, you post the named fight parse, and we all post ours next time we do that named to compete, will be fun =p<p>Message Edited by Alza on <span class=date_text>06-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:34 PM</span>

[Dragonsviperz]

Hmm, Fine we'll make a new thread for it. Anyone can join in. See if we can get it stick'ed, just for the fun of it.

[Uhbi]

Reading this, and reviewing my parsing from my last raid, I can only say that I am very frustrated with this class. I know that I am a new raider, that my gear is not optimal to be kind, but I am not even coming close to 1K let alone the 1.8k and 2k parses I see posted in this thread.I have only 2 M1, one of which is my agi/dps buff, and one M2 from leveling skill selections. The remainder of my key damage skills are all AD1, as the cost of spongy loam is just out of control. I could afford maybe one at the moment. Viewing the parsing, I see many classes out perform my own. While I do not mind seeing a wizard pull down 1k dps, I can not fathom why I can not even average close to this. My highest parse was only in the high 600's, with ALL my skills available and only occured once, my average being in the range of 380. As you're well aware, decapitate and deathly blade are of massive destruction and long timer re-casts, I can not see how you can CONSISTENTLY get that much DPS.  I thought I was reasonably equiped and I am working on the Claymore line for some items, but only about 1/2 way through the line. I just started MoA, but in the mean time, I believe that I could do better if I understood this class more.At this point I have about 27 AA and went down the path that leads to more ranged crits and passive timer reducing. I was thinking that 35% reduction would boost my dps by a 1/3, but I see from this discussion that STR and INT are favored instead. Can anyone explain this class to me so I can be more effective? Is there a particular order of skills to be applied to be best at this class? etc.?POISN of Mistmoor<div></div>

[spankosaurus]

<DIV>Agi line really does very little since we don't need to range much, also that 35% is casting timer reduction, not recast. That means it readuces the time it takes to cast a CA and since most of ours are 1 sec or less, its completely useless. Respec and go down str and at the very least max out melee crits, perfectionist is nice if your looking for recast timers to be lower, only really effects KB and decap.</DIV>

[Golled]

<P>Alright...With your dps at around 380 thats almost laughable (no offense). But with just auto attack your dps should almost be at 600. The order your casting your skills makes a big differece, opening with mark is a huge boost (usually use it 2x in a raid fight maybe more depending on your raid make-up). Respec your AP's AGI line does not help us near as much as max Melee and Spell Crits. Stacking your DOTs early and using concealment to line up your backstabs is also a big help. Using your range CA's and backing out to pop off 1 range auto attack (depending on your bow) can be a nice big hit. Also there is almost no reason to use Mental Breach on trash mobs unless your raids dps is sub-par.</P> <P>Chox</P> <P>70 Assassin Eidolon</P> <P>AB</P>

[Uhbi]

<div></div>Ok, I am respeced with MM II and my AA line down to perfectionist. (points spent as 44468 Will add 2 to Crits lvl when I get them) In group I saw an improvement, most noticable in the one longer battle... but only one to judge by. (The AoE that is done by a raiding berserker class puts my damage to shame in the short battle with multiple mobs. I am presuming that is somewhat normal, but getting my dots off early may help to combat that.)I missed the existance of the "Concealment" skill and have an AD3 coming on that for today. Raiding tonight and will let you know of my results.Thanks to you that have replied. ( I found 380 laughable too... ready to quit, but that is why I have asked for help.) I am sure that my lack of gear from raid encounters is part of the issue as well, but I am willing to deal with that if I can get the overall damage per mob up to a healthy level. From the initial results, I am hopeful. Will try to arrange my CA backstabs to work with Concealment as suggested.Poisn I'vee70 AssassinMistmoor<div></div>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Uhbirn wrote:<div></div>Ok, I am respeced with MM II and my AA line down to perfectionist. (points spent as 44468 Will add 2 to Crits lvl when I get them) In group I saw an improvement, most noticable in the one longer battle... but only one to judge by. (The AoE that is done by a raiding berserker class puts my damage to shame in the short battle with multiple mobs. I am presuming that is somewhat normal, but getting my dots off early may help to combat that.)I missed the existance of the "Concealment" skill and have an AD3 coming on that for today. Raiding tonight and will let you know of my results.Thanks to you that have replied. ( I found 380 laughable too... ready to quit, but that is why I have asked for help.) I am sure that my lack of gear from raid encounters is part of the issue as well, but I am willing to deal with that if I can get the overall damage per mob up to a healthy level. From the initial results, I am hopeful. Will try to arrange my CA backstabs to work with Concealment as suggested.Poisn I'vee70 AssassinMistmoor<div></div><hr></blockquote>berserkers excel in short fights with lots of mobs as do warlocks. don't worry about it, those fights are trivial anyway. in a fight of any length you'll destroy a berserker. you mentioned respeccing all the way down to perfectionist which is fine but i wanted to make sure your other line is the int line which you should have maxed with the exception of intoxication. if this isn't the case, respec again.as for what gear you need to increase your dmg the answer is ca upgrades. not even great weapons will help you near as much as adept 3'ing your skills or better yet paying dkp or plat for masters. i would agree that mental breech on trash mobs in most cases isn't needed but if you're moving as fast as possible through a raid zone then sometimes it makes sense. if mana regen is an issue be sure to have t7 drink and buy some spirit totems of the monkey or carnivorous plant ( i think ). these stack with drink and give you great out of combat mana regen.</div>

[judged_one]

Don't feel too bad Uhbrin, keep working at your spell orders.Also your DPS really depends alot on the group set up. Also your AA helps alot too. Have max Pro Crit means insane DPS just on agonizing pain alone. I think that alons is 20percent; + of my DPS.Another major factor in DPS is Brigand, sadly our regualr brogand stopped playing so it really hurts our DPS.With a Brigand it is not too hard to average 1600 With Decapitate and killing blade up and dispatch you can hit 2000. but on a less then perfect group setup 1200 is pretty good.Another thing to look for is compare yourself to other people to the raid. If you can parse 1-2 in every encounters and 1-3 overall then you are doing great.Also try to harvest for loam(or get a healer buddy and farm some named in SoS they drop loam and rare too), I think the adept 3 is almost a requirement to do raid. Well except your defensive stance.Claymore line yeild some pretty good item some which I still use due to the high Str stats. And beside you will get more AA when you finish more quests on that line.AA: Go for STr melee and CA Crit and Int Poison Crit. Take either the Str end AA or Int end AA.Here is some tips that I use.1.)M Mark, use it as soon as it is up2.)Use finishing blow at the beginning too, extra 1.5k damage CA and 45 sec recast. Make sure it is still up at the end for these 5-8k Crit3.)Use Grandmaster poison always4.)Proc-tage Warlock(Poison damage proc "something grasp"), Conjuror(Amber Seed), Wizzy(Phonix blade?) ask em to put their proc on you, Beg the Fury to put their single target buffs(Agitate or Avatar for Mystic etc) on you, secretly slips him a10g for it. Coerer and illusionist also helps, and Zerkers are your friend. 5.) Finally give your hate to the person that's beating you in DPS and proble solved... ok maybe not this one.Best of luck<p>Message Edited by judged_one on <span class=date_text>06-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:49 PM</span>

[Recca[BK]]

i think exacting should be used towards the begining of the fight after the initial barrage, then just pump away masked and puntcure, with your dots then contrived.

[Uhbi]

I am MOST GRATEFUL for all the helpful suggestions. My opinion of the Assassin Class is much improved by making all the suggested changes. I am not the uber Assassin I read about here, but now I am well on my way to becoming so.My first raid with all these changes made me quite happy. (and sad all at once.) First what I am happy about, my DPS has gone up immensely with respec and adding AD3 Concealment. In my first raid, I started regularly out-performing all but wizard, warlock and necro classes. Not only that but I was regularly taking agro from the MT, a feat that I never achieved before. (Not that this is a good thing, but I am happier to die by having my ears flattened against my little Ratonga head, than suffering some stupid AoE that makes a less admirable death.) I agree that I need more AD3/M1 CAs. Only active M2 is MM, I have M1 Fiendish Villian, and AD3 Concealment... remainder at AD1. It is sad state that spongy loam on our server has gone to a cost of 4p - 12p, but I am sure that over time, I will find some and buy some to improve my damage. There is no question that I wil be placing AA into Int up to just before intoxication. You have steered me the right way with everything else.Onto the sad part... I already mentioned I was squished with some regularity [/flex] but my raiding companions put 4 DPS classes, a berserker and a healer all in one group. I was unable to use my hate reducing buff due to group classes. The healer in our group was healing the MT on pulls and really could not take my hate reducing buff, and all my DPS comrades would, at least on first glance, be poor choice to place my hate upon as well. The berserker in our group told me point blank not to put my hate on him. In hind sight, I could have put it on the 68 wizard (the rest of us were lvl 70) as he was not in the top 10 dps, but you don't always know that up front.Sooooooo... is there a type of group I should encourage my RL to place me in as well as some rule of thumb as to how to apply my hate reducing buff to my group members? I know that you encourage grouping with a berserker for procing. I think that hate is the last question that remains unanswered... Other than that, my makeover, to which you all have contributed has made a new mighty mouse out of me and I am so happy and thankful for posting and taking your advice.Poisn I'vee70 Assassin of Mistmoor <div></div>

[Gyilok]

you can dump your hate on any healer, only situation where it wouldnt be smart might be memwiping mobs

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Recca[BK] wrote:i think exacting should be used towards the begining of the fight after the initial barrage, then just pump away masked and puntcure, with your dots then contrived.<hr></blockquote>i think the exact opposite here but let me explain myself. one of the ca's which exacting affects is finishing blow as it's recast is 45 seconds. an extra 30 % dmg out of finishing blow is nice. so i tend to drop exacting as the mob nears death. the idea is to have exacting still up when the mob reaches 20 % and finishing blows becomes most effective. it is a good idea to use masked / puncture / scraping / deadly / contrived as much as possible after dropping exacting of course but you don't want to miss out on upping your FB.</div>

[Graton]

<div><blockquote><hr>Uhbirn wrote:I am MOST GRATEFUL for all the helpful suggestions. My opinion of the Assassin Class is much improved by making all the suggested changes. I am not the uber Assassin I read about here, but now I am well on my way to becoming so.My first raid with all these changes made me quite happy. (and sad all at once.) First what I am happy about, my DPS has gone up immensely with respec and adding AD3 Concealment. In my first raid, I started regularly out-performing all but wizard, warlock and necro classes. Not only that but I was regularly taking agro from the MT, a feat that I never achieved before. (Not that this is a good thing, but I am happier to die by having my ears flattened against my little Ratonga head, than suffering some stupid AoE that makes a less admirable death.) I agree that I need more AD3/M1 CAs. Only active M2 is MM, I have M1 Fiendish Villian, and AD3 Concealment... remainder at AD1. It is sad state that spongy loam on our server has gone to a cost of 4p - 12p, but I am sure that over time, I will find some and buy some to improve my damage. There is no question that I wil be placing AA into Int up to just before intoxication. You have steered me the right way with everything else.Onto the sad part... I already mentioned I was squished with some regularity [/flex] but my raiding companions put 4 DPS classes, a berserker and a healer all in one group. I was unable to use my hate reducing buff due to group classes. The healer in our group was healing the MT on pulls and really could not take my hate reducing buff, and all my DPS comrades would, at least on first glance, be poor choice to place my hate upon as well. The berserker in our group told me point blank not to put my hate on him. In hind sight, I could have put it on the 68 wizard (the rest of us were lvl 70) as he was not in the top 10 dps, but you don't always know that up front.Sooooooo... is there a type of group I should encourage my RL to place me in as well as some rule of thumb as to how to apply my hate reducing buff to my group members? I know that you encourage grouping with a berserker for procing. I think that hate is the last question that remains unanswered... Other than that, my makeover, to which you all have contributed has made a new mighty mouse out of me and I am so happy and thankful for posting and taking your advice.Poisn I'vee70 Assassin of Mistmoor <div></div><hr></blockquote>your berseker is right, he's a terrible choice for deaggro. here are the best classes to use 1. troubador - they lower their own and your hate by 40% as it is. 2. dirge 3. inquisitor4. templar5. warden6. fury7. mystic8. defiler9. guardiani'm assuming that none of the above are in the MT group or filling the roll of back up tank. a mention was made about mem wipe mobs and i agree that i would never transfer to a healer when dealing with a mem wipe mob. generally though while it seems counter-intuitive healers absorb our extra aggro quite well.by the way fiendish villainy is one of the very bast skills you can have at master 1.as to what classes to be grouped with there are some other threads about this on this board but berserker for sure. the best healers for us i believe are furies and inquistors. a troubador is a godsend as you no longer have to bother with your deaggro ca's and a dirge is very nice as well.</div>

[Dragonsviperz]

Heh, when I start my CA's on a mob I start with Bladed Opening, then Mark, then Flowing Wound. Getting Wound and Mark in usually helps because starting the DoTs early ends up with more dmg. Then I use the Deadly Wound Scraping Blow and Constrictrion together. I wait for the brigand to use Dispatch and then use Concealment + KB, Eviscerate, Jugular, Assault, and Slaughter. I also use Freezing Strike and Crippling Strike with each other, and Pblade and Masked with each other. And I just rinse and repeat when those guys are up. O yea, I add in ranged attacks sometimes, and I use the poison debuffs before that. And....Thermal Shocker ftw. If on the next fight some of my skills are down, like BS's, I'll use Honed/Focus if I'm not at 100%dps/haste with group buffs. Or, I can use Exacting with all the skills it affects.

[Obsi]

<P>Just read this discussion and must say that it is very usefull and interesting.</P> <P> </P> <P> I left EQ2 at KoS release and back only since late may so i am not high end stuffed T7 yet. Most of my gear is master T6, got some relic items and else leg T7.</P> <P> </P> <P> I am quite happy with my dps yet, around 900 most of the time but i not have Master T7 weaps neither the wurm yet ( Sothis i come ! ).</P> <P> I got Intoxication and Int Crit on spells at 8 and i must say its amazing. With the mark master 2 and Grandmaster poisons i have an amazing crit rate (at least 3 of the 5 mark ticks are crits at 1,1k +). Also the weapon procs and procs buff also crit a lot with this skill.</P> <P> So in short i am very pleased with my dps atm. </P> <P>My problem come from a real frustration atm when i run my parser and compare to rogues in raids.</P> <P>Due to raid settings i am only at 6k hps and 3200 mit and my str is heavily lowered when i have to raise resists for those named AE. I not have serious study done yet but i think my dps is seriously lowered due to those run back and forth/switch stuff. Compared to those [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] rogues that are immune to non melee AE its a net dps loss in the end. I dont know, might as well come from gear, most of em are already master T7 stuffed but i am still convinced this skill do a lot (300 ish dps loss perhaps).</P> <P> </P> <P> I also have a question : what is ur setting for DPS group in raid ? Do you have a DPS group (here we run most of the time 4 scouts and a warden) or do you scatter your scouts in more structured groups ?  cause i, as assassin (dps and agi buffed), dont have the same need than a rogues (self str buffed) or a ranger and was thinking of not making a pure scout group but instead build groups with couple scouts, couple casters and couple healers instead.</P> <P> </P> <P> Obside, Captain of the Siren.</P>

[Dragonsviperz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Obside wrote:<BR> <P>Just read this discussion and must say that it is very usefull and interesting.</P> <P> </P> <P> I left EQ2 at KoS release and back only since late may so i am not high end stuffed T7 yet. Most of my gear is master T6, got some relic items and else leg T7.</P> <P> </P> <P> I am quite happy with my dps yet, around 900 most of the time but i not have Master T7 weaps neither the wurm yet ( Sothis i come ! ).</P> <P> I got Intoxication and Int Crit on spells at 8 and i must say its amazing. With the mark master 2 and Grandmaster poisons i have an amazing crit rate (at least 3 of the 5 mark ticks are crits at 1,1k +). Also the weapon procs and procs buff also crit a lot with this skill.</P> <P> So in short i am very pleased with my dps atm.</P> <P>My problem come from a real frustration atm when i run my parser and compare to rogues in raids.</P> <P>Due to raid settings i am only at 6k hps and 3200 mit and my str is heavily lowered when i have to raise resists for those named AE. I not have serious study done yet but i think my dps is seriously lowered due to those run back and forth/switch stuff. Compared to those [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] rogues that are immune to non melee AE its a net dps loss in the end. I dont know, might as well come from gear, most of em are already master T7 stuffed but i am still convinced this skill do a lot (300 ish dps loss perhaps).</P> <P> </P> <P> I also have a question : what is ur setting for DPS group in raid ? Do you have a DPS group (here we run most of the time 4 scouts and a warden) or do you scatter your scouts in more structured groups ?  cause i, as assassin (dps and agi buffed), dont have the same need than a rogues (self str buffed) or a ranger and was thinking of not making a pure scout group but instead build groups with couple scouts, couple casters and couple healers instead.</P> <P> </P> <P> Obside, Captain of the Siren.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yea brigands are a bit overpowered, but who cares really? I don't want to see another class getting nerfed so I say leave them as they are.</P> <P>My groups for dps consist of;</P> <P>Me</P> <P>Troub - mana regen, buffs, hate reduction</P> <P>Fury or Inq - Fury has INT buffs, healing of course, Agitate buffs which is STR/AGI increase as well as 50%dps/haste on proc, Inq give DPS/HP buff, healing of course, Divine dmg proc, and a mana drain proc</P> <P>Conj, necro, or wizzy - Either 1 of 2 of those, Conjs and Wizzy's give nice procs, Wizzards give STR/INT buffs, same with necros I think.</P> <P>Another scout, rogue or another assassin</P> <P>Bruiser or Zerker - depends really on who gets to the raid last or w/e. Bruisers have a group DPS buff, Zerkers give an STR buff as well as a buff that can proc 28% DPS/Haste (i think thats the right %)</P> <P> </P> <P>Thats usually what I get as far as dps groups. Maybe I get an illutionist, but Skratch usually hogs him for haste and mana  regen. The groups aren't always that setup, but I get most of those classes. Putting 5 scouts and a healer is a bit stupid imo. Because scouts can benefit from casters for procs and other buffs. And the caster is benefiting from the troubador (hopefully you are getting one) for hate reduction and the Aria's Aclamation Buff.</P>