Intel...does it really do anything??

[hayaikaze]

<DIV>I have a lvl 50 assassin and have am 3 ranks deep into the aa that allows you increase your magic crit chance. After reading the forums and finding folks that have have sought after higher intel, and the merit of it considering the aa path I went, I decided to increase my intel as much as possible. However, it is not working the way I thought.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I assumed when my intel went up, so would the damage numbers on our dots....the frontal melle abilities we have with the 2nd 1/2 being a dot of some sort. I also thought it might raise the damage numbers on the poison we had equipted. Across the board when I cast an intel potion, or remove an intel hex dox I see NO difference in any of these number when I examine the item or ability.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With Str, you see the numbers go up and down on your abilities when you examine.....what gives with intel? Did I waste my time getting my intel up, or is it doing something, but the system is bugged and the numbers just don't change as they should on our dot abilities, poisons, etc?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks in advance.</DIV><p>Message Edited by hayaikaze on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:10 AM</span>

[Aienaa]

<P>Int will not effect your melee dots, that is strength based...  Int will effect you poison damage and weapon proc damage.....</P> <P>From what I read, it sounded like you changed your int after you applied the poison....  In that case, if you examine the poison icon in your buff window it will read the same reguardless of how much you increase your Int...  If you want to see the difference, do the following....</P> <P>1.  Examine the poison vial without having any int buff or extra int gear on...</P> <P>2.  Buff up your Int and equip extra int gear</P> <P>3.  Re-examine the poison vial, you will then see the damage increasae from increasing your Int...</P> <P>Also, what ever the poison damage reads on the vial at the time in which you apply it, is the damage it will do until it wears off....  So, if it says 100 and you apply it, then increase your Int by 300, it will still only do 100 damage until it wears off...  Likewise, if you buff your int by 300, the poison now says it does 300 damage, then apply it to your weapon and then remove the int buffs, it will continue to do 300 damage until the poison wears off....</P> <P>This also hold true with the Apply Poison skill....  prior to placing this on a group member, I bump up my Int as high as I can get it, then I put it on the group member....  The poison proc they get stays at the higher damage amount until the buff is removed.....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P>

[hayaikaze]

<DIV>Aienaa, good insight, yes you are correct.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So if it does not work on your Melee dots/combat arts is it really worth it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I focused more on Str, and the Str aa line for that matter I think I would see a more significant increase in DPS. I play pvp and after all how aften does your weapon proc. On the other hand all my arts, which I use constantly would benefit from more Str.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Respec back to Str aa and ditch the intel focused gear? What does you all think is the best route for PVP, short fights.</DIV><p>Message Edited by hayaikaze on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:11 AM</span>

[Graton]

raising int is not going to make a huge difference for you unless you raise it alot but if your question is in regard to the effects of spell crits on our dps , the answer is yes it's worth it in spades. at rank 8 you will crit 52% of the time on your procs which include Malignant Mark.<div></div>

[hayaikaze]

<P>Graton, I see what you are saying, but let me ask you this. So I will be criting all the time...but criting on what.</P> <P>If intel has no effect on raising the damage for our combat art dot, then they must <STRONG>not be considered magic damage</STRONG>. Based on that logic we can assume that we would not crit on our melle dots....however it seems we do.</P> <P>Explain that logic...seems to not make sense.</P>

[Dragonsviperz]

<P>You will crit poisons and mark line with INT crit at 52%, and I see Mark crit all the time basically.</P> <P>If you read our skills, it says PEICING dmg over time or SLASHING, which equals melee dmg. This is what I atleast get out of the descriptions.</P>

[hayaikaze]

Posion and the Mark line.....got it. At work at the moment so I can't examine out AOE with a dot....does that work or is it strictly Poison and the Mark line?

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>The INT line Crit AA specifically says that it affects the DoT portion of our combat arts, although INT itself has no effect on them.  I notice my DoTs crit all the time with it maxed out.  In fact, on parses, I'm usually the person with the highest number of crits for the fight.</DIV>

[hayaikaze]

<P>Mysta, not arguing the point, but have you also gone down he Str line as well. Perhaps the crits you see from your Dots are coming from the Melee Crit increase in the Str line?</P> <P>I just found a pic of the ability and this is the description....does not seem to say anything about our combat arts.</P> <P>"Increases the Nightshades chance of critical spell damage, this includes poisons."</P><p>Message Edited by hayaikaze on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:44 PM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> hayaikaze wrote:<BR> <P>I just found a pic of the ability and this is the description....does not seem to say anything about our combat arts.</P> <P>"Increases the Nightshades chance of critical spell damage, this includes poisons."</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No.  It says, EXACTLY: "Increases the Nightshade's chance at critical hits when using poisons and damage over time components of combat arts."  And yes, I maxed out both the melee crit and spell crit AAs, but the spell one specifically says that it affects the DoTs.  I would suggest you take a look at your picture again. <BR></P> <P>Edit - grabbed you a picture of the AA description as it is in game:</P> <P><IMG src="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1/Mystaskratch/e2338bfe.jpg"></P><p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:07 PM</span>

[Graton]

<blockquote><hr>hayaikaze wrote:<div></div> <p>Graton, I see what you are saying, but let me ask you this. So I will be criting all the time...but criting on what.</p> <p>If intel has no effect on raising the damage for our combat art dot, then they must <strong>not be considered magic damage</strong>. Based on that logic we can assume that we would not crit on our melle dots....however it seems we do.</p> <p>Explain that logic...seems to not make sense.</p><hr></blockquote> i don't know the logic behind it all i can tell you is that the int based crits affect malignant mark ( our best ca ) , poisons and the dot portion of a lot of our ca's like scraping blow , deadly wound , flowing wound , intoxication , etc. honestly i think the two lines that assassins should go for are complete no brainers - str and int. i think the only debatable choice is prefectionist vs intoxication but the only reason i can see to go down the wis / sta or agi line is to be a contrarian. <div></div>

[Skratttt]

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[Homeskillet]

    With my INT close to 300 in most situations, my caustic poison non crits for 1000+ consistantly.<div></div>

[Hadanelith]

<P>Graton,</P> <P>Check Malignant Mark again. Its damage raises and lowers when you un-equip Strength gear and does not change with Intelligence.</P> <P>The Mark line has not been considered a Spell for quite some time now. Originally, it was indeed a "spell" that dealt Piercing damage (kind of strange, but acceptable I suppose). At some point along the line, they decided to make the ability make sense.</P> <P>To answer the original question of this thread, INT will affect the strength of Poison procs and other Weapon Procs... but not to a significant degree. I'm lucky to get 2-3 damage increase for about 12 INT from a base proc of roughly 420 damage on a Grandmaster Caustic Poison at level 70. Let's just say a .5% increase for every 10 INT to make matters simple; that means you need 100 more INT to see a 5% difference. Not really worth it when you consider you already have to keep your STR, AGI, and STA as high as possible (STR for damage, AGI for power, STA for HP to live thru getting AoE thwacked if you raid).</P> <P>If you get top-end gear and have STR, AGI, and STA above 400 each (not even at cap but "close enough") by all means, get all the INT gear you can get. Until then, I wouldn't worry about it.</P> <P> </P> <P>-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor</P>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hadanelith wrote:<BR> <P>To answer the original question of this thread, INT will affect the strength of Poison procs and other Weapon Procs... but not to a significant degree. I'm lucky to get 2-3 damage increase for about 12 INT from a base proc of roughly 420 damage on a Grandmaster Caustic Poison at level 70. Let's just say a .5% increase for every 10 INT to make matters simple; that means you need 100 more INT to see a 5% difference. Not really worth it when you consider you already have to keep your STR, AGI, and STA as high as possible (STR for damage, AGI for power, STA for HP to live thru getting AoE thwacked if you raid).</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>At 158 INT, GM Caustic reads 627 damage... that's a lot higher than 420.  In my usual raid group, I'm over 400 INT, and it hits for 800 with no debuffs, crits for 1500+.  I go for STR, STA, INT, AGI, WIS... in that order, I've actually managed to get all of them in the triple digits solo :smileyhappy:<BR>