Cheap Shot was NERFED....

[Aienaa]

<div>Take a look at cheap shot now....  It now stuns heroics for 1 second....  Think that's bad, just wait... </div><div> </div><div>It stuns all types of solo mobs for 1 second....</div><div> </div><div>They might as well shorten up the text...  Stuns target for 1.0 seconds, epics excluded....</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Way to go SOE...  Take one of the few viable means we have to solo and turn it into a totally useless spells.... </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Gwern - 60 Assassin - Kithicor</div>

[GeeZ]

<div></div>It was never meant as a tool to enable recovery or escape, I tested it and it still works with Shrouded attack>Shadow Blade

[Bergenson]

<div></div>Not to sound panic stricken, but I am panic stricken.  OK so (2nd poster) you are saying if you try to boogie/disengage using this you are SOL, but that the stun-scoot-maskofnight..etal-rear stealth-rear non stealth     set will still be viable ? If that is true hooray hoorah. If the second part of that equation proves false we are hosed but good.  I am having some issues logging in ( wife grounded me since I went a tad overboard for the double exp weekend) so any info appreciated because I am unable to test atm.  OR maybe there is a post lvl60 stun in our future ??  I did not hear of anything on test.

[Carna]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>GeeZee wrote:<div></div>It was never meant as a tool to enable recovery or escape, I tested it and it still works with Shrouded attack>Shadow Blade<hr></blockquote>Eh? It wasn't meant to enable recovery or escape? BS. It's a stun, it was meant to be used to stun the mob. You know, to make it stop doing stuff. <strong>It was meant to be useful</strong>.

[Baldev]

I read that it was a bug and that it still lasts for the same amount of time as it use to. All Ranger snares and stuns say 1 second as well. I am pretty sure its just an error in the reporting of the spell <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I will try it out when I get home and let you know.<div></div>

[Aienaa]

<div></div><p>I was using it today and basicly was never able to get behind and get a stealth attack off, even on Solo mobs...</p><p> </p><p>Gwern - 60 Assassin - Kithicor</p>

[Tideri]

<div>Yes, I tried it right away when it was brought up in Guk.assassin.  I think it is a typo because it worked like normal.</div>

[Amise]

It works as normal.  If you're having problems on solo mobs I'd probably attribute it to lag.<div></div>

[Craien]

<div></div>I think I'm more concerned with Mobs evacing with you when you get in trouble, and only breaking after it's finished killing your party.  That was unexpected.

[Historios]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Craien wrote:<div></div>I think I'm more concerned with Mobs evacing with you when you get in trouble, and only breaking after it's finished killing your party.  That was unexpected.<hr></blockquote>Thats been pretty normal in Clefts of Rujark for months, gotta evac and zone out, or they'll chase you down, even from the top floor

[hammong]

<div></div><div>I have been experiencing a lot of problems with Cheapshot + Shrouded + Backstab on solo mobs since KoS too, but the places I have most trouble are where there is a lot of lag ... cause, well, theres a lot of lag everywhere a level 59-60 might be fighting for experience.   *grin*</div><div> </div>

[CrimsonValerian]

<div></div>Also it has a what 5% chance to break if the mob takes damage and since basically all of our smaller attacks are dots it could be breaking the mob out of stun early, also we have like 5 stealth attacks you can do from the front btw, works great for me soloing.

[DiceDunkelrose]

it won't work any longer to interrupt epic mobs =(

[Furt]

<div></div>In my recent experience cheap shot won't stun anything ^ or greater long enough to get off mask of night and another attack, which kinda makes it harder to solo, if that's what ya do. which in my case, it is! :smileywink:

[BoltLogan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Furtim wrote:<div></div>In my recent experience cheap shot won't stun anything ^ or greater long enough to get off mask of night and another attack, which kinda makes it harder to solo, if that's what ya do. which in my case, it is! :smileywink:<hr></blockquote>That is correct. Mobs solo ^ or heroics will only be stunned for like 0.5 sec. Really sucks because most solo mobs in KoS are ^. At L62 it was easier to solo a L66 normal solo mob than a L64 ^.

[Graton]

cheap shot breaks immediately on ^ mobs as soon as you hit with another attack. for this reason when hitting heroics i use cheap shot combined with either crippling strike or finishing blow as they are good dmg and you can get them off in the time you have.<div></div>

[Foiled Aga]

<div></div>Yea I don't understand this. Every assasin i talk to in game has absolutely no problem stunning ^ up heroics. Yet when i solo, it drops after less than 2 seconds. Yet somehow when I'm GROUPED it stuck every time for the full six seconds. I don't understand that at all.Edit: IT dosn't even hold on grey ^s. Yea. Boo.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Foiled Again on <span class="date_text">03-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:04 PM</span></p>

[Vertis]

<div></div><div>So wait...you people actually bother to use Cheap Shot to give you an extra second or two to use Escape?  Whats the point?  Escape you can use while you move and it cant be stopped...frankly I think the trick is to just be smart enough to know when to use Escape before its too late.  And I havent seen a change with Cheap Shot at all.  It still doesnt last very long with any mob that is ^ or higher just like it always has.</div>

[Tlaloc]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>BoltLogan wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Furtim wrote:<div></div>In my recent experience cheap shot won't stun anything ^ or greater long enough to get off mask of night and another attack, which kinda makes it harder to solo, if that's what ya do. which in my case, it is! :smileywink:<hr></blockquote>That is correct. Mobs solo ^ or heroics will only be stunned for like 0.5 sec. Really sucks because most solo mobs in KoS are ^. At L62 it was easier to solo a L66 normal solo mob than a L64 ^.<hr></blockquote><p>I could be wrong but pre-KoS I was able to cheap shot ^ mobs and get behind Mask, big dps, etc... but now in KoS I can't.... and it really affects my ability to solo... which has always been questionable at best... esp. for those who say they can solo ^^ yellows which I have no idea how they do it...  I mean I don't have any fabled gear but I have all legendary colbalt / vanadium.. all my big DPS CA's are Master and  all others Adept3.  I do believe we should at least have the ability to stun solo ^ or ^^ mobs within reason which means SoE needs to give us some better stunning abilities at least enough to get one or two good CA's off.  Overall I think assassin DPS is good and maybe all we need is a better stun for soloing and a better defensive stance... I certainly hope SoE reads these forums since I think we all believe these requests are reasonable.</p><p> </p><p>Lathu</p><p>61 Assassin - Befallen</p>

[Vertis]

<div>I do think that the Cheap Shot ability should be made a little bit longer on the stun though.</div>

[Foiled Aga]

really? i havn't gotten that high on my assassin but it seems to me like 6 seconds is perfect (if it was a gurarenteed to hold that six seconds).<div></div>

[Bergenson]

<div></div><div></div><p>I have NOT been to KoS other than to harvest and die, but I can usually CS- get behind - Mask - big hitter -cripple  before they turn on me. That makes for a pretty good tally of damage in a short time IMHO.</p><p>If the mob is a biggy I have already pulled with rear arrow- front arrow- so poison has proced  and I have dropped  debuffs and DOTs so  the baddie should pretty much be on his way by then. I have not done any numbers but maybe make sure you hit em with a couple DBs before making your CS move ???</p><p>Message Edited by Bergenson on <span class="date_text">03-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:25 PM</span></p>

[vwandale]

<div>I find the major problem with the CS stun and jumping behind in KoS is due to the constant combat lag on Guk.</div><div>Since its release (and server merges) I have never, ever had a seemless fight in KoS.. EVER.</div><div>PC is pretty much cutting edge and was 100% fine in extreme mode prior to the server merges.</div><div>KoS, have dropped it down to very high & high, just sheer number of people (or whatever). But I have pretty much given up trying to use in KoS until SoE</div><div>pull their finger out from where the sun dont shine and sort it out.</div><div> </div><div>Sticking to the CS issue, it seems ok out of KoS, but once in a KoS zone I just cannot tell.</div><div> </div>

[twiddlethumb]

<div></div>Good point made - I have also had troubles with lag, doubly noticable when trying to solo (emphasis on "trying" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ).<div></div>This has been getting better the last couple of days though, on Runnyeye<p>Message Edited by twiddlethumb on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:53 AM</span></p>

[Lord Montague]

<div></div>Lag seems to be the issue with me regardless of what class I'm playing.  And of course - the mobs cheat as they seem to be immune to the lag monster.  :smileymad:

[Bergenson]

<div></div>Andale and all....What is really lame is that for a clicky fighter like myself lag causes me to pull icons rather than cast the spell.  In the beginning of a fight with a harder mob this is sure death as I struggle to replace the icon while said mob kicks the bejeezus out of me.

[twiddlethumb]

... you know there's a "Disable dragging icons" option, right?<div></div>

[Bergenson]

<div></div>/smacks forehead  you're $%^&&*() me?  Thanks I will get on the window options now and fix it.   It IS under options in your spell bars right ??

[twiddlethumb]

Right click on a hotkey in your hotkeys bar, and it's there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Think this went live around LU19 or shortly after<div></div>

[Bergenson]

<div></div><div>Ignorance can be so painful. My children have heard many colorful words due to my lack of knowledge on this topic...Thanks a bunch Twid.</div>

[vwandale]

<div></div><p>LOL priceless.... yeah I always lock down my combat bars as icon dragged was a pain in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</p><p>But the lock downs help.</p><p>Shame we dont have the option to lock down lag to 0% <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p>/em screams for a lag nerf!</p><p> </p>

[krazykaj]

<div></div><div>    Nothing pizzed me off more than draging one of my main skills, HO starter or other needed items off my hotbar and losing it and then have to try to pull off a recovery while fighting.  I went in search of the stinkin lock button after I did it about 10 or so times and my 3 yr old started repeating what I was saying like a parrot.  Although, it is kinda funny sounding when a kid that is still working on mastering the language starts spittin out the MFs and Ss all over the place and even knows the correct context in which to use it.</div>