The Long and Short of it (Bows Question)

[Hawgeous]

<DIV>Just curious if you prefer a long bow or a short bow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any and all feedback on why you prefer one over the other is appreciated.</DIV>

[SalBlu]

<P>Longbow for my use.  Two reasons on my end.</P> <P>1) Longer delay on the Longbow has a better chance to fire off the ranged proc that is attached to the bow itself that I use (Pristine Imbued Cedar Longbow).</P> <P>2) Higher base and cap damage on the bow itself.</P> <P>The majority of our attacking is being done up close and personal with the mobs.  At my lvl, 47, I have 3 attacks that are used on the bow compared to the many that I have from melee.  I have no issues leading off a fight with Spitting Viper and Assassin's Shot, but after that, i'm into the fray and swinging.</P>

[MystaSkrat]

Long Bow, not only for the proc rate and superior damage, but mainly for the range of it.  The closer you get to the endgame, the more you realize melee classes get shafted due to extreme AEs by mobs, more range = better :smileyhappy:

[scivias]

Long bow, short bow has really nothing to offer<div></div>

[Tealdea]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>scivias wrote:Long bow, short bow has really nothing to offer<div></div><hr></blockquote>On the contrary, T5 short bow has better stats (agi str just a shorter distance to fire and less damage for the actually arrows, not ranged CA's) But for T6 go Long is the way to go, they're (long and short) are eqaul stats, so going long you get the longer delay for proc's and more dmg.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Tealdeath on <span class=date_text>12-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:54 AM</span>

[Mishtar99]

<DIV>Plus, don't forget the Ladies like them longer. =/</DIV>

[Mol]

Initially the T6 short bow had superior stats to the longbow, hence i brought one, they then added imbuing and made the stats similar, im now kicking myself and pretty annoyed after wasting a hefty amount of pp on a short bow.

[PIexor]

<DIV>Get at longbow too, Ironwood is going for less then 40 gold now at least on splitpaw.</DIV>

[Hawgeous]

<P>LOL PIexor, can you buy me one and mail it to Faydark, that would save me prolly half a plat or more.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sorry been out of town all week and just got back on the boards but thanks to all that responded.</P> <P> </P> <P>I do have a question due to the fact that I, like most of you, don't use a short bow, I know the max range is less but is the min range the same as a long bow or is it less.</P> <P>The reason I ask and one reason for the thread is during a long fight if I choose to use both up close ca's and ranged attacks would a short bow reduce the distance I had to back away from the mob before being able to launch an attack or begin auto attack with out getting the message "your to close stoopid, back up some more"?</P> <P>I fully understand the benefit of being out of damage range as much as possible but this is not always a big worry in normal grouping so keep that in mind <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[EtoilePirate]

Hawgeous wrote: <p><i>I do have a question due to the fact that I, like most of you, don't use a short bow, I know the max range is less but is the min range the same as a long bow or is it less.The reason I ask and one reason for the thread is during a long fight if I choose to use both up close ca's and ranged attacks would a short bow reduce the distance I had to back away from the mob before being able to launch an attack or begin auto attack with out getting the message "your to close stoopid, back up some more"?</i></p><p></p><p>Don't necessarily quote me on this, but I tend to find that it depends more on the CA I'm trying to use than on the bow.  It's hard to get a handle on that, though.  In a group mobs go down too fast for it to matter, and in a raid chances are that when I'm backing up, I want to be as far away as is possible so as to avoid the major AOE effect that every raid mob in the game seems to have -- and there, the long bow helps.</p><div></div>

[Graton]

minimum range is exactly the same. what i did to test this was to back away from a mob until i was out of melee range and could only hit with melee ca's. as soon as i got 'target out of range' i tried spitting asp with a long bow, it worked. i the tried fel shot with a short bow, it worked. i don't believe based on that there's any difference at all <div></div>

[dea]

I don't believe that range with respect to combat arts is at all affected by your ranged weapon. Each of our combat arts lists its own range in meters. What *will* change, is the range at which you can engage in auto-ranged attacking.<div></div>

[Hawgeous]

<P>Thats what I thought but have not had the chance to test it cause I only have a long bow and didn't want to buy/find one if someone else had already proved it.</P> <P>Thanks to all of ya and I'll just keep with my long bow. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> deaks wrote:<BR>I don't believe that range with respect to combat arts is at all affected by your ranged weapon. Each of our combat arts lists its own range in meters. What *will* change, is the range at which you can engage in auto-ranged attacking.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>On the subject, how come 3 of 4 of our Ranged Combat Arts lists at 30 meters, when if you're using a short bow, it's immpossible to shoot that far, and if you're using a long bow, you have to move up from max range.  I won't even get into Contrived Weapons' 25 meter range....  Why can't they just have combat art range = bow range? <p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>12-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:10 PM</span>

[dea]

I think I asked this during DoF Beta and the question was ignored. It would be nice to see a consistent range on *ranged* combat (at least consistent based on what type of ranged weapon is used, inherit the range from the weapon!!).<div></div>

[pist]

For me it depends on the type of fighting I'm doing.  If i'm soloing I'll go with a long bow, but if I'm in a group or raid I'll go with a short bow, and here's why: When I solo, I can get off 1 back shot, and one fel shot before the mob reaches me.  Usually, that means 1 rear shot, then an auto-attack shot, then fel shot before they get to me with a long bow.  If you don't time it just right, you sometimes don't even get the fel off (which sucks).  So, thats one, MAYBE 2 auto attack shots if you snare it and get lucky.  The timing on the short bow usually allows for 2, somtimes 3 shots before they get to you.  The  delay is over 3 seconds, so technically I still have a chance to proc on every one, but better chance with a long bow. However, if I'm in a group and don't have to worry about the mob looking at me I'll use short.  Use all my melee CA's, then when I start backing up hit auto attack.  By the time I'm all the way back and have fired off 1 rear shot, I'll shoot another AA.  I'll do fel and the other rear shot and get another AA, then improvied weapon it, and usually get another AA off on the way back in (kinda a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] since imp weapon drops you into melee, and you have to turn on ranged AA again).  At that point I've usually gotten off guaranteed 3, sometimes 4 shots depending on how long i'm out. (in 10.5 or 14 seconds, respectively).  With a long bow I'd either only get one, or possibly 2 if out for all 14 seconds.  You gotta look at average damages, and you'll definitely get more damage out of 3 short bow averages than 1 long bow by a big amount.  with 4:2 its a little bit closer, but still more. Plus, if you're actually out for all 14 and NOT on a joust or something you're probably losing melee CA chances. Thats how I reason it, anyways.  Test it out.  Have someone hold some aggro and just turn on auto attack with both bows.  See which gives you more in different time intervals.  When I did it I always came up with way more dmg from a short bow unless I got seriously low hits consecutively with the short, and high ones with the long.  So thats why I use my setup how I do. Also if kiting I ALWAYS go for a short bow.  Less damage per, but WAY more hits, and the dmg starts to add up over longer fights. <div></div>

[judged_one]

LONG BOW:Jousting, soloing, groupingJousting - Short duration Jousting with 1 AOE means I just run back fire up 3 range CA + Improvised CA and 1 auto melee bowSoloing - Stun only allow 1 frontal CA + 1 auto melee bowgrouping- Most of the time I am in close, once in a while I jump back to do 1 bow ca + 1 automelee bowSHORT BOWExtended Jousting, RangingWhen Raid mobs has 2 Aoe, so more melee attack = more damage