Best poisons / How can alchemists communicate with their "consumers"?

[Corson]

<DIV>I made a Freeport-based bruiser/alchemist and have put various t 3 poisons on the vendor from time to time w/o much luck.</DIV> <DIV>Do you guys usually have particular alchemists you go to with your orders?  I'm in a small, mostly qeynos-based guild w/ no assassins so have no ready market.  What tier 3, early tier 4 poisons would you have most preferred to use? I'm guessing hi initial low DoT, but without feedback am just guessing. Also, are the poisons made with a rare-based loam in the bottle worth a lot more to you?  I have to decide whether to use the loam for potions (which do sell ok) or poisons.  Is a translucent legendary t3 poison going to be worth 5g? 10g?</DIV> <DIV>Any useful links? I rely on the EQ2Alchemy.com site a lot.  Do you guys have a place to chat where occasional non-spamming want to sell messages could be sent?  Access to the official chat channels seems to be limited to that profession. </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, thanks for any info ppl can share.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Peineforte, 33 alch/32 bruiser</DIV> <DIV>A-B server</DIV>

[kord]

On my assassin alt, I make my own poisons.. I've put some up on the market at well and have never sold any... My guess is A. Good assassins make thier own.                    B. Bad assassins don't use poison                   <div></div>

[khalysta]

<DIV>when you get to tier 6 you shouldnt have much of a problem selling them since there is no npc vendor that sells them.  Before tier 6 there are quite a few that just buy from npcs since they look cheaper. Also a lot of people in that range aren't really informed about poisons yet so just stay with the npcs due to lack of knowledge.</DIV>

[Amise]

There is a great thread on the Alchemist board, near the top of the front page, should give you some good ideas on what kind of prices are appropriate. <div></div>

[massem]

<span>I think the problem is really that many failry new rogues and predaters like thos still using T3 gear, have not yet realized how much better player crafted poisons are. Most players are using vendor poisons and some no poison at all. Make a few legendary poisons (the High DD ones sell best along with the Stun poison) and announce them on the trader channel at a reasonable price so people see how good they are. Other great sellers are the legendary STR/STA stat buff potions and WIS/INT buff potions. Whenever I make poisons for the broker I usually make around 10-12 High DD Adeste Disruption at T6 and put them on broker for 9g. They always sell out until the next day when I log in. 5-10g seems quite high for T3, I would suggest pricing at 1-2g for T3. <blockquote><hr>Corsonna wrote:<div>I made a Freeport-based bruiser/alchemist and have put various t 3 poisons on the vendor from time to time w/o much luck.</div> <div>Do you guys usually have particular alchemists you go to with your orders?  I'm in a small, mostly qeynos-based guild w/ no assassins so have no ready market.  What tier 3, early tier 4 poisons would you have most preferred to use? I'm guessing hi initial low DoT, but without feedback am just guessing. Also, are the poisons made with a rare-based loam in the bottle worth a lot more to you?  I have to decide whether to use the loam for potions (which do sell ok) or poisons.  Is a translucent legendary t3 poison going to be worth 5g? 10g?</div> <div>Any useful links? I rely on the EQ2Alchemy.com site a lot.  Do you guys have a place to chat where occasional non-spamming want to sell messages could be sent?  Access to the official chat channels seems to be limited to that profession. </div> <div>Anyway, thanks for any info ppl can share.</div> <div> </div> <div>Peineforte, 33 alch/32 bruiser</div> <div>A-B server</div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

[hammong]

<DIV>I can put pristine quality legendary poisons up on my broker for less than the cost to produce them, and they still won't sell on Mistmoore.   The largest part of the problem is that most poison capable classes are simply ignorant of the potential of good poison adding utility and DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[standupwookie]

The real reason is cost VS dying.  NPC bought poisons are fine for the solo person.  We do enough damage that when it comes time to click the "buy" button on the poison, we generally say "ahhh, do I really NEED to do a little more damage...Its only Harclave, or soloing Ferrot stuff". Non twink/tradeskill Assassins (who dont have a lot of cash) will probably spend it on arrows first.  Actually, weapons will come first then probably armor, then arrows and then if we can afford it, poison. Not having any poisons is noticable....but NPC poison is fine.  The fact that poison is removed upon dying is a big deal too, not that we die a lot in solo times.  I can see spending it if you raid, but it gets expensive after a while. Arrows, food, drink, weapons, armor, repair bills, etc....all that adds up.  The majority of EQ2 players are solo players.  There will always be a market for the best poison, just not a huge market.  Just like the potion market. SUW

[InuyMa]

Unless someone has alot of plat, poisons are normally the last thing they want to spend money on. I have about 15 t6 skills to get to adept 3 or master. Not to mention the difference poison makes during instances/exp grinds is negligable at best, because the game is still so freaking simple.The one place it would matter is raids, except alot of mobs are immune, and we tend to die alot due to agro and having to sit in AE range.So it tends to not be worth it unless you get them for free.<div></div>

[dea]

I buy player-made non-legendary tier 6 poisons for cases where I want poison damage but suspect death as a distinct possibility. It is a reasonably affordable alternative. When the situation looks right, that is the time to pull out the legendary and go for the blood.<div></div>

[DrgnsAnarchy1]

Much of the player base are all around t5 and t6 now. Poisons to me isnt much of a problem. i finally reached t5 alchy w/ my assassin so i havent really made my own poisons to use except for buffs like the str/sta ones and the agi ones. The resists are nice when u go raiding or dueling a class u know which nukes they use. Otherwise i usually ask the 60 alchy in my guild to make my poisons, i provide all the loams so i just have to pay for fuel. T3 legendary is worth mayby 4 g a best imho. I suggest u just make the high DD ones if u are trying to make some cash off it. <div></div>

[Aienaa]

<P>I know on my server, availablity of poisons totally suck....  You might be lucky to find the poison you want for sale after 3-5 days of looking....  and when you finially do, they cost is exrteamly high...</P> <P>So, Like many others have stated here, I took my alt and made her into a Alchemist... Just hit level 51 with her last night....  So now I can make my own "yard trash" poisons for when I'm just mesin around or soloing...</P> <P>During my grind to T6, I made some poisons for a friend of mine who started an assassin... She could not believe the DPS change when I made her some legendary T3 poisons.... Half the time she kept telling me...  OMG, I can't believe how fast I can kill stuff...  The other half of the time she was telling me how the tank in the group couldn't hold agro even through she had Reconnitor and hate transfer on the tank reguardless of how many times she used her hate reducers...   The one I liked best was her description of pulling solo mobs....  She tells me about how she uses her back ranged attack, followed by the frontal ranged attack, and how if it's not dead from the all the poisons procs by then, it only takes a few hits to kill it off..</P> <P>It was not till I got to T5, that I actually tried selling any poisons....  Made some Torrent of the Ages and stuck them up for sale...  It's been about a week and only half of them have sold...  not to worried about this, as it seems a kinda steady flow...   The only thing that sucks about poisons / potions, with it being a consumable, they don't stack so it's hard to get a variety of it available with limited vault space....</P> <P> </P> <P>Anyways, to get to the OPs question....  What I use varies on what I am doing....  At raids it's a good thing to have the multiple scouts each debuff a different stat....  There are alot of different debuffs available and all can be used very well at raids...  But, you will find these a hard sell, as the majority of people will only use the noxious debuff....   The stuns / stifles are nice in certian situations also...  I use them alot while taking on stuff I probably shouldn't be doing in solo / duo or small group situations....  The stuns and stifles are useless on epics, so that limits thier desirability....  As far as damage poisons, it seems the majority like the Very High initial damage with small DOT damage...  Through I have seen a few people that like the extream DOT poisons.....</P> <P>Maybe some more people will post what combos of poisons they like, so you can get a better picture of what has the best marketability...</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 60 Assassin  /  Parody - 54 Troubador</P>

[NerroVI]

<div></div>Only can speak for me but I know that I am a total poison [Removed for Content]!1!  Lucky I have 2 kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] alchemist im the guild im in both 60.  Basically if you wana sell stuff, here is a idea of what I use pois wise, highest DD/lowest DoT, Highest DoT/lowest DD <for when I dont want to chance getting aggro>, Stifle, Stun, Slash debuff, pois/dis debuff, heat/cold debuff, pierce / crush debuff, are you getting a idea yet =p  Literally I have about 40+ poisons and 20+ potions with me at any given time all the time, I use everything I can for not just myself but my groups and raids to give us the best advantage to win! But like I said I am a poison/potion [Removed for Content]!1! Edit I don't think I have used a non legendary poison in months it makes that big of a diffrence! <div></div><p>Message Edited by NerroVI on <span class=date_text>12-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:53 PM</span>

[Colossaltitan]

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[DementedGerbil]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kordan wrote:<BR>On my assassin alt, I make my own poisons.. I've put some up on the market at well and have never sold any... <BR><BR>My guess is A. Good assassins spend all there time pwning newbs and force guild alches to make what he wants.<BR>                    B. Bad assassins don't use poison<BR>                   <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>hehe fixed it for u</DIV>

[iciss19]

For tier 3, I get good $$ selling the rare potions (Vindictive Strike or something like that is the last one I was making iirc), but not much luck trying to put the non-rares up.

[EtoilePirate]

<b>Standupwookie wrote:</b><i> The real reason is cost VS dying.  NPC bought poisons are fine for the solo person.  We do enough damage that when it comes time to click the "buy" button on the poison, we generally say "ahhh, do I really NEED to do a little more damage...Its only Harclave, or soloing Ferrot stuff". Non twink/tradeskill Assassins (who dont have a lot of cash) will probably spend it on arrows first.  Actually, weapons will come first then probably armor, then arrows and then if we can afford it, poison. Not having any poisons is noticable....but NPC poison is fine.  The fact that poison is removed upon dying is a big deal too, not that we die a lot in solo times.  I can see spending it if you raid, but it gets expensive after a while.</i> Right.  Now, Test is a close community, and so I have a couple of alchy friends who will say, "oh, look!  I just made a ton of Legendary poisons and potions for the XP, and now my inventory is full.  Here, Kella, have some! ::mail mail mail::"  And then I say, "hooray!" and know I am a very, very lucky little Assassin.However, even though I have a bank box full of poison I got for free or for barter (how much of Test works), I still hesitate to use it.  I almost won't use it raiding, actually, which is completely foolish.  That's where I need the most DPS, but that's also where I'm guaranteed to waste 1.5 vials in 4 hours through dying.Soloing, I find, is where having the really good poison pays off the most.  It makes mobs dead faster, which decreaases the amount you get hit, which decreases down time.  Given how much down time I can have even between blue solo mobs, this is a Good Thing.And no, not all "good" assassins will make their own.  There are only so many tradeskills a person can undertake, and all of them make something worth having.  An assassin as a jeweler or a provisioner will benefit equally from his/her own craft as s/he would as an alchemist, but still won't have home-made poison.  And in an MMORPG, I shouldn't have to have 5 different crafters just to make sure that 1 adventurer has everything she needs to be successful.I think alchemists are much in the same spot as provisioners, where it costs money to produce and you want to get paid adequately for goods rendered, but that people hesitate to pay well for easily-lost consumables.   The difference is that provisioners have 24 classes to market to, and that poisons go only to 4.

[vwandale]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have a very close & personal relationship with my alchemist, oh hang on, thats me!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just to poke people into buying the damned things....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>assassin hat - Where ARE ALL THE POISONS FOR SALE!!??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>alchemist hat - I made neigh on 50 poisons, the best T6 (non-rare) high DD low DoT ones, and have had them ALL for sale for 3gp a pop (7 uses), WHY AREN'T THEY SELLING?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On guk, I have only really seen about 3 of us making & selling poisons. In the end I yanks them off my vendor and just use them (figure they'd last me a fair while!).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moral of the story? LOL answers on a postcard please!! I guess from my alchys point, those poisons take up alot of room and sell slower than tectonic plates. My friend who has a lvl 60 Provisioner, logs in "oh I have sold out of everything *again* tonight, hmm 1-2pp made, nice... guess I will have to grind some more out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stopping poisons from going *poof* when you die would be mightily handy for sure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And apply poison, hmm from alchy & assassin points of view, would be nice if you could actually choose *which* poison you could apply to someone elses blade. And before the flames start a) I NEVER solo b) I never raid..... just a small group of 3-4 of us play all the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[dea]

Most of the guilded Assassin's on Guk are getting their poisons made by guildies. The market can certainly be tough.<div></div>

[Aienaa]

<DIV>Happened to find this in the test forums.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Silverfrost <BR>Coder <BR>Posts: 223 <BR>Registered: 11-07-2004 <BR><BR><BR><BR>Reply 18 of 65 <BR><BR>Viewed 1645 times <BR><BR><BR>We've got a fix for this going to test server shortly. Potion, poison, ring and totem effects should now persist across death. <BR><BR>Don Neufeld <BR>Lead Live Programmer, EverQuest II <BR>Lead Programmer Emeritus, Planetside <BR>12-15-2005 11:44 AM</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Enjoy.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 60 Assassin  /  Parody - 54 Troubador</DIV>

[vwandale]

<P>Am trying *SO* hard not to get my hopes up on that one.... read it also.</P> <P>I wonder how they will manage to screw it up though ... hmmm. </P> <P>Still, even if it doesnt help sales of poisons, means I don't burn through my poisons quite so fast.... although dying is a habit I am trying to break.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Corson]

<P>Thanks to all who have offered good, albeit pre-LU17 information.</P> <P>It looked like poison on arrows was a nice feature, but now that the bow is not going to be in the primary weapon slot, that's one less chance to get poison damage.</P> <P>I will try a few of the rare poisons on AB server.  When one has a limited amount of rare loam, it is tempting to use it for the potions, which do sell.</P> <P>Peineforte Et'Dure</P> <P>34 alchemist/33 bruiser</P> <P>Antonia Bayle </P>

[dea]

Poison still procs off of bows, while the wording may leave some room for interpretation it was apparently not meant to imply that bows will no longer proc poison.<div></div>

[GurgGuardianLord]

<DIV>Teh Bazaar, ill take some t5 poisons</DIV>