T6 Cobalt Weapon choice?

[Quinen]

<DIV>The imbued weapons have been in-game for a while so far and I was wondering what you other lvl 50+ assassins were using as your weapons?  I'm trying to decide what the best weapon combo was and hopefully, you other assassins could give me your opinions on this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the first option, I could try to maximize my stats and just get two unimbued weapons.  Since they're unimbued, I don't have to worry about the potentially higher proccing chances with slower weapons and I can get the fastest weapons instead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The second option is to be somewhat balanced.  Personally, I was thinking about getting an imbued crescent axe and a un-imbued cobalt dagger.  With the crescent axe being imbued, the +str stat is only dropping by 1.  The +agi stat drops a lot more (from +17 to +9), but I think that my other equipment make up for it.  For the cobalt dagger, the +str stat drops by 6 (from +15 to +9) once it gets imbued and so I was thinking to NOT get that imbued for the +str stat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The other way I was thinking is to just forget about the whole stat thing and just get an imbued crescent axe and imbued leafblade.  Overall, imbuing both weapons, I'd essentially be losing 9 str (from +27 to +1<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and 12 agi (from +30 to +1<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  But, both my weapons will get imbued which could increase my overall dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just to recap:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Option #1:</DIV> <DIV>Unimbued cobalt spatha, unimbued cobalt dagger</DIV> <DIV>+30 str, +26agi, no proccing weapons</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Option #2:</DIV> <DIV>Imbued cobalt crescent axe, unimbued cobalt dagger</DIV> <DIV>+24 str, +21 agi, 1 proccing weapon</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Option #3:</DIV> <DIV>Imbued cobalt crescent axe, imbued cobalt leafblade</DIV> <DIV>+18 str, +18 agi, 2 proccing weapons</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The difference between option #1 and option #3 is +12 str points and 2 proccing weapons.  I'm not very good with the eq2 dps equations and I don't know whether that's a good trade-off or not.  Not sure if this will help, but my current stats not counting the weapon stats is 151 str, 205 agi.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If anyone can provide your opinion about the above options, I would love to hear what you all think!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Caenas</DIV> <DIV>Lvl 52 Assassin of Disciples of Solusek Ro on Guk</DIV>

[khalysta]

<DIV>Why give up procs when strength is so easy to add from buffs like rings, potions, food, etc?  Stats play a role this is true but a small change as you have listed below won't add nearly as much to your damage as those procs will.  If you also have to worry about the higher proc rates on slow weapons don't forget about reconnoiter or murderous design which lower or transfer your hate respectively as does surveil and evasion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For example if you really want strength:</DIV> <DIV>Any of the various T6 steaks - 10.5 str<BR>Elixir of Brawn - 35 str/sta</DIV> <DIV>Vanadium ring w/ str imbue - 22<BR><BR>Total buffed - 67 str  which is far greater than the 12 you are loosing by getting damage procs.</DIV><p>Message Edited by khalysta on <span class=date_text>10-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:45 PM</span>

[Armill]

you forgot to add the +10 thats already on the ring so its 77 all together.

[Aienaa]

<P>Now, why don't we be realistic and compare what the real upgrade is....</P> <P> </P> <P>IE difference between T5 imbued ring buff vs T6 Imbued Ring Buff,  T5 Str food vs T6 Str food and so on...</P> <P>In reality, you are not increasing your Strength by that much, though it sure does look good on paper....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 60 Assassin</P>

[khalysta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aienaa wrote:<BR> <P>Now, why don't we be realistic and compare what the real upgrade is....</P> <P>IE difference between T5 imbued ring buff vs T6 Imbued Ring Buff,  T5 Str food vs T6 Str food and so on...</P> <P>In reality, you are not increasing your Strength by that much, though it sure does look good on paper....</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Let's see my alchemist cant sell potions well nor are my t5/t6 steaks selling all that well so for most thats in full rather than a difference.  My point though was to show you can get strength pretty easily but you can't get procs very easily so why give them up for a lousy 12 str?</DIV>

[Demonskill]

u can proc ur duel wield weapon proc on a bow attack as well btw, so why not imbue?

[Quinen]

<DIV>Thank you guys for your feedback!  It was really good to get a second opinion from someone else.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the end, I decided to go with option #3 with two proccing weapons.  The loss of 12 str points just didn't seem that big a deal after reading your opinions.  After using them for a few hours, I feel pretty good about the choice, seeing my weapons proccing again... and again... and again...  :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks again!</DIV>

[Gyilok]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demonskiller wrote:<BR>u can proc ur duel wield weapon proc on a bow attack as well btw, so why not imbue?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>not with imbued weapons, its been "fixed" a while back after imbuing went live for tier 5</P> <P>only fabled and quested (ssoy, prismatic) weapons can proc when using another type of attack then its meant for them (valian bow goes off while melee, prismatic can proc while ranged etc)</P>

[CrazyPaladin2]

<DIV>I'm getting all my t6 gear rdy and i'm hung up on 1 thing.  Something similar to this topic.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What Cobalt weapon do I go with.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Logic dictates that a fast weapon should proc more often.  That does not seem to be the case here though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As most know a longbow procs more often than a shortbow.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My question is this... should I go with the highest delay weapons because they will proc more and make poison proc more?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Am I correct in assuming it works that way, or does the speed not matter and procs per minute are equal on all speed weapons?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One last thing... in high delay vs. low delay, how do CA's fit in?  Do they reduce potential autoattack damage if a certain speed weapon is used?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I for one pop off exposing mark followed by honed reflexes and murderous intent.  Those with poison and blade storm should pump out some serious autoattack damage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any feedback would be appreciated.  I mainly wanna know if i'm thinking about our damage properly and want feedback that allows me to maximize my dps.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV> <DIV>Frodogorn, 48 Assassin of Ascension</DIV>

[scivias]

<span><blockquote><hr>CrazyPaladin2 wrote: <div>What Cobalt weapon do I go with.  </div> <div> </div>.....<div> </div> <div>Any feedback would be appreciated. </div><hr></blockquote> What I tell you now is correct for the way delay affected procs ere the latest patch, that increased the overall proc-rate of dual wield weapons. Whether is is still true now, I can't say, I have not seen any hard evidence parsings, although I strongly assume that is still applicable. Weapons with a high delay have a higher chance to proc "per hit" than fast weapons. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=items&message.id=30217#M30217 So, in theory, if every attack would be made with the speed mentioned in the weapons delay, proc would be the same for everyone. The problem is that CA can initiate procs, too.. so a class that can deal significant more attacks per timeframe than they would be able in autoattack (e.g. your longbow) multiply their proc rate in comparison to other classes with other weapons. Slower weapons, in tendency, had a higher procrate when player were playing the same way. </span><div></div>

[SmEaGoLLuM]

<DIV>I would just like to add, since many people especially newbies wouldn't know this, that having a higher delay or 'stronger' dual wield in the primary slot increases sneak attack/backstab damage for that class, and assassins have the most in the game. Regarding choice of cobalt weapons, a leafblade would be a good idea in the primary slot, and I like them also since they have a higher delay meaning there is more auto attack damage potential if you couple it with haste, as opposed to a 1.2 delay weapon. For those that didn't know of this or don't believe me, test it, put a leafblade in the primary slot and have a look at the sneak attacks and then put a spatha or something in the primary slot and you will see a very noticeable difference.</DIV>

[c00nd]

<P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=17190&jump=true#M17190" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=4&message.id=17190&jump=true#M17190</A></P> <P>I posted there (as you can see).  Anyone have any feedback on this issue?  Are CAs affected across the board?</P>

[pist]

Smeagollum86 can you elaborate on that a bit?  I don't know what sort of an equation would produce such results, as CAs are all str based.  I've never heard of a higher dmg weapon inherantly increasing your dmg potential.  Were you trying this with one weapon?  Or dual wielding and switching the weapons to the offhand?  Depending on how you were mixing them, you could've changed your dmg rating, which could in theory affect your damage. Any parses to show this? <div></div>