I love revamp

[Kaplin42]

<DIV>After playing with things for about a week and figuring stuff out.  I have to say that the Revamp is awesome.  The amount of damage we do is incredible.  Now mind you,  i havent had a chance to raid yet, (Saturday will be our first chance) so i know some of you will automaticaly shrug this post off becaues if youre not raiding then it dont count.  But for those more casual players out there.   MOB's dont stand a chance.  Assassinate every 15 mins, Condemning Blade every 5 minutes or so.  Master II ranged attack.  the options are limitless.  Word of advice, get Cheap Shot to at least Adept III.  Doesnt change the examine info, but it does help effect stonger targets.  i use it as a mezz sort of.  In a small group with a tank that is lower level,  you get an add, cheap shot it, and then resume /assisting the MT, mow that mob down real quick and then head to the stunned mob.  Personaly, i couldnt be happier with the Assassin class,  we just put out so much damage, and that is what i picked that class for.  Good Job SOE!!!</DIV>

[BlueskiesTx]

<P>I've got to agree with ya on this.</P> <P>Revamp was good to us.</P> <P>Before revamp, I could not kill the Pit Champ in Splitpaw to save my life (literally).  Now I can take him down with about 40% health left.  The end of kiting has forced me to examine other, more efficient ways to play and I am thrilled with the results.</P> <P>Thanks for the suggestion on Cheap Shot, I'll look into it.  The problem with it is, some mobs seem immune to it altogether.  For example, the spiders in the Trial of Harclave.  I've never been able to stun one of those dang spiders.  Course, we are talking about uber spiders here who can ward themselves and do other unusual feats but still, lol.</P>

[Bobbubski]

how does the cheapshot upgrade work against heroic mobs?  currently i only have the ap 2 (shh, don't tell anyone) version and i may be able to stun heroic mobs 1/30 times.  does adept 3 greatly up this chance?

[Kaplin42]

yeah, if heroic or under as the examine info states then the upgrade from app II to Adept III greatly affects your chance to stun and how long they stay stunned, even through combat

[Skorpeo1]

<P>Lv 30 assassin here.</P> <P>Are you talking about the lv 6 cheapshot?, I think thats what I still use for stun.</P> <P>If so, does it get upgraded or should I invest in adept III for it now?</P> <P>Cheers</P> <P>Skorpeo</P>

[Aienaa]

<DIV>I can't seem to find it, but on one of the recent patches it stated that cheap shot stun would only work on down arrow or even mobs, and that it would not work on any of the mobs with up arrows....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They had actually changed this either a day or 2 before they announced it, and it was driving me nuts that I could not stun the ^ solo mobs, when I knew I could do so before....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 53 Assassin</DIV> <DIV>Ascending Phoenix - Kithicor</DIV>

[Kaplin42]

<P>Skorpeo</P> <P>yes im talking about the level 6 cheap shot.  and no you dont get to upgrade it so i would make it adept 3</P> <P> </P> <P>Aienaa</P> <P>i have not had that problem at all.  last night i was in a Heroic instance in SS, and i was stunning ^^^ mobs that were 3 levels higher than me.   i swear by this skill, it is the greatest thing, and i have no idea how i made it to 50 without ever using it.</P>

[Aanak]

<P>I always thought spells under level 10 had no Adept III upgrades?  What does a jeweler need to make the level 6 adept III spell? </P> <P>Nihyn</P>

[Kaplin42]

<DIV>actually any scholar can make it since you can still do alchemy and jewelery,  you need a copper or a lapis luzil and you need the advanced crafting volume 4 book to have the proper recipes.  and if they didnt have upgrades, they do now.</DIV>

[Bobbubski]

just a little more clarification, you need "adv book 4 & 5" to make the ink requried for the spell, and then you need another adv book (i think it's adv book lvl 8 but not sure) to actually make the spell.  if u can get ahold of the copper/lapis, you should be able to find peeps willing to make this for you for cheap.

[Netcaitiff]

<DIV>Okay, heres the dael on Cheap shot.  It will stun any mob that is stunable, reguardless of  ^ or v  BUT any mob that is ^ or greater will break the stun as soon as you damage it.  So, to get a back attack against a  ^ mob, you must turn off autoattack before Cheapshot lands.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do not believe that quality of Cheapshot makes any difference.</DIV>

[Amise]

It does make a difference if you upgrade from app1 to appIV, as the stun goes from 4.5 second duration to 7 second duration.  Beyond appIV level there is no change to the examine info; if the skill changes in anyway from upgrading past appIV, it's not stated. <div></div>

[Kokus]

<DIV>I use app 1 and it is a 7 second duration..</DIV>

[Ranja]

<P>This has been hashed and re-hashed on the ranger boards.</P> <P> </P> <P>Cheap shot stuns mobs without any up arrows fort he duration evne through damage. Duration is the same from App1 to Ad3 (7 secnds) On up arrow mobs the stun will break when the mobs take damage.</P> <P> </P> <P>To the OP, who says stun works on heroics, you must not be using poison because the DoT tick on the posoin will break the stun.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Amise]

<div></div><div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Kokusho wrote:<div>I use app 1 and it is a 7 second duration..</div><hr></blockquote>I just logged an alt on the isle of refuge with an app I version of cheap shot.   The duration is listed as 4.5 seconds.  My ad3 version lists the duration as 7 seconds.  So there is most definitely a difference; perhaps it's due to something other than skill quality though. </span><div></div><p> <span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Amise on <span class=date_text>10-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:17 PM</span>

[Bobbubski]

<P>it must, my adept 3 only lasts for 6 seconds :smileysad:</P> <P>why do i get the short end of the stick? :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Herculez]

<DIV>Could be that for whatever reason the stun effect is reading as a spell and not a combat art, in which case it would be governed by INT.  This is just pure speculation though so maybe someone could test it out if you get the time, mine btw is only 4.5 seconds at app 4 quality.</DIV>

[Bobbubski]

my int blows (only 25) so that's a good point.  anyone else?

[dea]

Perhaps it scales with level since it never gets replaced. The level 3 toon on the IoR will have a short duration stun, while the, for example, lvl 56+ crowd has a 7s stun. I'm not sure at what level the adept 3 might provide only 6 seconds. I can confirm that at 57 I have a 7s stun with cheap shot. <div></div>

[Tacp]

<DIV>I started playing my assassin again last night for the first time since last March, I know she is just 22 but I was soloing mobs 1-2 (Cackling Cadavers) levels above me non stop last night in Nek Forest. I hear people are saying once you turn 40 things change so I can't comment but right now I am tearing through stuff my Monk or Zerker never could as quick.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I find that opening with poisoners blade (Adept I) then the dirty tricks, impale, bleed, HO, cheapshot, shadow blade then a second poisoners blade usually leave a very very dead MOB with little HP loss to myself. Every now and then I change things up and open with my bow just to keep things fun, so many options versus rushing in and just pounding away like my monk and zerker have to. Besides the fact I run faster, avoid mobs when I have to, find mobs I am looking for quicker through tracking, just having fun. Maybe it will stop at 40 or maybe we will get "fixed" like so many people are asking for, but I am having a blast atm.</DIV>

[judged_one]

Re: Bruisers' tanking problems   [ Edited ]Options   Kaplin42 MasterPosts: 178Registered: 01-07-2005 Reply 13 of 57 Viewed 719 timesTo the OP.  This is going to sound insulting, but i really mean it as advice.  learn to play your class better.  I used to play an assassin and the best tank i ever met was a bruiser.  As an assassin i could steal agro from anybody, this bruiser always kept agro.  Yes grouped mobs were a little tougher for him, but he always managed to do fine with it. and held agro of every mob in the group. try differant things.  pull, then group taunt, then do a group buff or two, this will usually get you some hate, then just start cycling through the group taunting and slapping around a bit, then move to the next one, while the group stays on the original mob.  yeah its more work, for a brawler type, but so what, its also more exciting, means you have to be on your game.  if you want to be lazy and just mash a taunt button then pick a differant class.  Edit:  Forum posting and hangovers dont mix.Message Edited by Kaplin42 on 10-19-2005 09:49 AMDont pretend you are an assassin and post non-sense about our class, Currently our dps is way below what it should be.Unless you are talking about the briuser toy are playing !