T6 ironwood vs. Grizzlefang

[heha33]

<DIV>Im having a hard time between which bow i want to go with.....the grizzle fang is 80.3 dmg rating while the ironwood was 63...as u  can tell its a good jump but the stats on the bow kinda suck...only a 5 health difference and i lose 14 agi and 15 stam although there is a small str increase from it...but is the bow worth it to lose the agi and stam?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>is the dmg difference that much better to take the grizzlefang?</DIV>

[Star]

Yes and should be able to fill in the missing agi and sta with other items anyway.

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> heha33 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Im having a hard time between which bow i want to go with.....the grizzle fang is 80.3 dmg rating while the ironwood was 63...as u  can tell its a good jump but the stats on the bow kinda suck...only a 5 health difference and i lose 14 agi and 15 stam although there is a small str increase from it...but is the bow worth it to lose the agi and stam?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>is the dmg difference that much better to take the grizzlefang?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It all depends...if you are on the Befallen server you should just give me the Grizzlefang and forget you ever had it :smileytongue:</P> <P>I hope I have this choice to make soon too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Ranja]

<P>The question you should be asking is this one: Is the Grizzlefoshizzle better than the Ebony? The answer is debatable when it should not be. Many Ranger wish they chose the Grizzle dirk which is a great DW and used the Ebony instead of the Grizzle Bow?</P> <P>The choice is Grizzle or Ebony not Grizzle or Ironwood.</P>

[Tobann]

I had been using the imbued Ironwood form 63 to 70. Just got Grizzle's and I seem to hit much better with it. It hink I like that +5 ranged addition. The procs are close,the strength is better and the stats dont make much difference when you have buffs and good gear otherwise.Buaf  70 Ranger  Befallen server<div></div>

[Star]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bentgate wrote:<BR> <P>The question you should be asking is this one: Is the Grizzlefoshizzle better than the Ebony? The answer is debatable when it should not be. Many Ranger wish they chose the Grizzle dirk which is a great DW and used the Ebony instead of the Grizzle Bow?</P> <P>The choice is Grizzle or Ebony not Grizzle or Ironwood.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The dirk question is debateable and really comes down to where will you go when you're 70. Fabled DWs seem to be a dime a dozen in raids but if you're not going to raid than maybe the dirk is a good choice for you. If you're gonna raid I'd take the Grizz bow and wait for a nice DW to drop for you. Really, play style dependant choice.

[Jayad]

<P>It's much harder to find a good bow than a good DW.  Decent legendary DWs drop all the time in the instances.  I have swapped out several times going from 43 DR to 47DR to 51DR, etc. </P> <P>On the other hand, I've not seen a better bow than Grizzie's that wasn't fabled raid.  Easy choice.  Go with the damage on the bow, don't worry about the stats.</P>

[Vlath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> <P>It's much harder to find a good bow than a good DW.  Decent legendary DWs drop all the time in the instances.  I have swapped out several times going from 43 DR to 47DR to 51DR, etc. </P> <P>On the other hand, I've not seen a better bow than Grizzie's that wasn't fabled raid.  Easy choice.  Go with the damage on the bow, don't worry about the stats.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have to disagree with this...The imbued ebony has better stats and better proc , which makes up for the lesser Damage rating. In reality, the Damage rating only affects Auto-attack damage and since the majority of your attacks will be from CAs, the Proc becomes more valuable as well as the higher stats more useful. IMHO, the ebony and the Grizzfazzle are pretty even all things considered, so I say take the dagger and have the best of both worlds. (That is until you get the fabled gear).</P> <P>Just my two copper.</P>

[Prandtl]

<P>Is there a ranger out there that has both bows that could do a little testing?  </P> <P>pretty please?</P>

[Blackin_DeMast]

<DIV>I got 7 percent to ding 65 and I will let you know.  I parsed my imbued ebony longbow versus my dual wield imbued xegonite short spear and Steelrend's flight blade.  At 350 STR the bow is parsing around 330 and the melee weapons are about 265.  I wanted to know if it was worth it to fun up and melee during groups and it doesn't look like it is.  </DIV>

[Jayad]

It's easy to cap out stats.  Grizzy also has a proc and the better DR makes for a noticable improvement in auto-attack which is a significant chunk of our damage.  In the old days, CAs were all our damage but that is no longer true.  It's very easy to get to 500 str so I say take the DR on the bow because there's nothing better til T7 raid drops.  Strictly speaking the DW grizzy is better, but it's also not difficult at all to get decent legendary DW weapons. 

[TofuPatty]

For Grizzfazzles vs ebony as a bow I'd go with Grizzfazzle's hands down.  The only advantages an ebony bow has from a dps prospective are 3 more STR and the proc will do ever so slightly more damage per proc, but the differance is barely noticable.  On the other hand the ebony bow has a DR of 70.6 compared to the DR of 80.8 on Grizfazzles, which is a *very* noticable differance.  Auto-attack damage does a lot of ranger dps since the proc nerf, I'm consistantly running around 35% or so of my dps coming from auto-attack. For choosing between the dirk or the bow as a quest reward, I'd have to say go for the bow.  Finding a bow with a DR comparable or better than Grizzfazzle's is like pulling teeth.  They're out there, but they're no-trade raid drops for the most part, and bows have a very low drop rate compared to other weapons.  Even raiding, you're likely to get 2 fabled DWs before seeing a bow drop.  Outside of raiding, there are a number of legendary DW drops from group instances or named mobs that have DRs very close to the dirk - Blackscale Shortsword, Turadramin's Fang, Fang of Koturah, and even Steelrend's Flightblade is only 8 points behind the dirk's DR.  All of these DWs are also tradable, so if you have bad luck getting them to drop they can always be bought on the market, and they are always up for sale on the market.  Finding a bow with a comparable or better DR than Grizzfazzles on the market.... well I suppose in theory the Bow of the Flappy Wing and the Bow of Firanvious Fury are tradeable, but the problem is ever finding one on the market and they are both drops from raid zones and not very common drops at that, so more than likely the only option will be an ebony bow. <div></div>

[Vlath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TofuPatty wrote:<BR>For Grizzfazzles vs ebony as a bow I'd go with Grizzfazzle's hands down.  The only advantages an ebony bow has from a dps prospective are 3 more STR and the proc will do ever so slightly more damage per proc, but the differance is barely noticable.  On the other hand the ebony bow has a DR of 70.6 compared to the DR of 80.8 on Grizfazzles, which is a *very* noticable differance.  Auto-attack damage does a lot of ranger dps since the proc nerf, I'm consistantly running around 35% or so of my dps coming from auto-attack.<BR><BR>For choosing between the dirk or the bow as a quest reward, I'd have to say go for the bow.  Finding a bow with a DR comparable or better than Grizzfazzle's is like pulling teeth.  They're out there, but they're no-trade raid drops for the most part, and bows have a very low drop rate compared to other weapons.  Even raiding, you're likely to get 2 fabled DWs before seeing a bow drop.  Outside of raiding, there are a number of legendary DW drops from group instances or named mobs that have DRs very close to the dirk - Blackscale Shortsword, Turadramin's Fang, Fang of Koturah, and even Steelrend's Flightblade is only 8 points behind the dirk's DR.  All of these DWs are also tradable, so if you have bad luck getting them to drop they can always be bought on the market, and they are always up for sale on the market.  Finding a bow with a comparable or better DR than Grizzfazzles on the market.... well I suppose in theory the Bow of the Flappy Wing and the Bow of Firanvious Fury are tradeable, but the problem is ever finding one on the market and they are both drops from raid zones and not very common drops at that, so more than likely the only option will be an ebony bow.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If you look at the actual damage range between the two bows, you will see the ebony has a slightly higher max. The reason for the Higher DR on the Grizz is because it has a 6 sec delay as opposed to the Ebony's 7 sec. So yes, over an extended period of time the Grizz will end up parsing higher (not counting procs, as ebony is higher). So you have see how long your encounters generally last in order to see if the DR will actually do you better.  How many auto -attacks do you actually get in one fight? </P> <P>I do agree with you that Daggers drop much more often. In reality I think the bows are so very close that you really wouldnt notice all that much of a difference. In my case, we are just starting to raid so in the meantime I will take Grizz dagger and the ebony and not really feel like im missing too much.<BR></P><p>Message Edited by Vlath on <span class=date_text>06-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:17 PM</span>

[TofuPatty]

<blockquote><hr>Vlath wrote:  So you have see how long your encounters generally last in order to see if the DR will actually do you better.  How many auto -attacks do you actually get in one fight? <hr></blockquote>Quite a few, you might be discounting haste in how many times auto-attack actually goes off.  Using a base line of adept3 cloak of the forest (37% haste) and FBSS (15% haste) as readily obtainable haste abilities/gear to any 70 ranger, that's 52% perma self haste, or ebony will fire every 7/1.52 = 4.6 seconds while grizzfazzles fires every 6/1.52 = 3.9 seconds.  Assuming a 20 second long fight vs a heroic encounter in a group, Grizzfazzle's has fired 5 times to the ebony's 4.  Assuming a 2 minute long raid fight Grizzfazzles has fired 30 times to the ebony's 26. If you're pulling a solo mob with focus aim/veiled fire/whatnot and annihilate it before 4 seconds have passed in the fight and the faster shots of Grizzfazzle starts to come into play, then yes there is no real differance between ebony and Grizzfazzles.  In that case though, the 9 second delay and much higher maximum hit on the Ghostly Bow of Bylze from the claymore line would be preferable - and the DR on it is even slightly higher than ebony at 70.6 compared to 70.4. <div></div>

[Blackin_DeMast]

I parsed grizzfazzle's versus Ebony kiting some grey mobs.  No CA's just DR and procs and the average of the ebony was about 325 while Grizzfazzles averaged 390.  So it is a noticable differenc in short fights, and probably even more ntoicable in longer fights.

[Prandtl]

<P>thanks for the info, Blackan</P> <P>I think I'll go with the bow when I complete the quest..</P>