I'm shocked...

[Hurdoc]

<DIV>I play a lowbie level 17 Assassin but hate being evil for RP reasons... so I was thinking of making a Ranger. I brought it up in chat in the game and several people told me that they were both good but Assassins soloed better. Now, if they soloed a little better I could live with that.. but one of the people told me her level 41 Ranger couldn't kill 2 blue nonheroic groups? She cited some Splitpaw gnolls that finally made her quit.</DIV> <DIV>Now I like to group, but if/when I do solo, I don't want to be terribly [Removed for Content]. I don't actually believe this person but I thought I would find out here. I just quit the game and came right on the forums, I was so shocked. I don't know any class that CANNOT kill 2 blue nonheroics.</DIV>

[Jayad]

Rangers CAN solo but it requires a lot of skill.  You have to be good at timing, rooting, stunning, switching offensive and defensive stances, and snaring/kiting.  Not many people are good at it.  It is a lot easier to solo most other classes, for sure.

[Carna]

<P>Rangers solo just fine. If the wind is blowing in the right direction I can have a group of 3 blue non-heroics dead before they even reach me. I personally find Assasins harder to solo that the Ranger, and the Ranger on par with a Swashbuckler, with a Brigand ever so slightly easier.</P> <P>A lot of people just plain suck playing Scouts that's all.</P>

[kleibs37r3]

QFT for the poster above me.  Of course, soloability all depends on playstyle.  Generally, more aggressive players fare well with the Brigand/Swashbuckler, and the more strategic/planning players would head towards the Ranger/Assassin.  An aggressive player who tries a Ranger, for instance, will find that their playing style does not work nearly as well, and myself, as a strategic player, did not exactly fit the mold of the Swashbuckler.  Granted I had a lot of fun, but if you're ONLY playing to be solo, consider which trait you find more of in yourself; strategy or aggression?<div></div>

[TofuPatty]

Good god, rangers can solo just fine, don't believe everything you hear.  If forums are to be believed necros can't solo green non-heroic mobs without the pet but I can solo even or yellow con solo mobs without the pet on a necro alt.  Blue conned solo flagged mobs should not be a problem in the slightest for any ranger to handle even in a tight space with no room to kite. <div></div>

[BSbon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hurdoc wrote:<BR> <DIV>I play a lowbie level 17 Assassin but hate being evil for RP reasons... so I was thinking of making a Ranger. I brought it up in chat in the game and several people told me that they were both good but Assassins soloed better. Now, if they soloed a little better I could live with that.. but one of the people told me her level 41 Ranger couldn't kill 2 blue nonheroic groups? She cited some Splitpaw gnolls that finally made her quit.</DIV> <DIV>Now I like to group, but if/when I do solo, I don't want to be terribly [Removed for Content]. I don't actually believe this person but I thought I would find out here. I just quit the game and came right on the forums, I was so shocked. I don't know any class that CANNOT kill 2 blue nonheroics.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i soloed all of splitpaw with little problem. i also used to kill the 5 underbrush fiends in feerott for the guild writ. it is true that you must use all your skills, be very fast and very good at playing to solo groups as a ranger. if you want to just press 2 buttons and solo groups while standing still then ranger is not for you.

[TaleraRis]

Rangers can solo just fine. I've soloed most of Gwyn's levels. I can handle anything no arrow and lower (even groups) that's yellow. Orange anything gives me problems and the ^ mobs give me trouble if I can't kite. I had trouble with Splitpaw, but then I was trying it in the 20s. I left it until my 30s and with the tools provided by then I had a lot less trouble. Of course, now rangers get rangery skills from the beginning, rather than receiving generic scout skills as we did before. But yes, we can solo fine. We don't rely on melee, but our ranged attacks to solo. And we do need to be strategic about where we fire from and know our path when kiting. Groups can be difficult, but they're not impossible. Sometimes you just have to keep trying until you find the tactic that works. <div></div>

[Huntress Jellica]

<font color="#6699ff">Like all the other posters have said, rangers are superb soloers, if the controller knows the ins-and-outs of the class. Timing is essential, and it's not very hard at all to have one mob down before the rest of them get to you. Then it's just a game of stuns, roots, and fancy footwork. Being quick on your toes is important, but it does take a while to get into the swing of things. But the person that told you their level 41 ranger couldn't solo 2 blue mobs must not  have soloed much in her career. I can take a group of yellow cons without much struggle, so a couple blues is nothing. Now I've never played an assassin, so I don't know how well they solo, but I think it would be a bit harder, since they do not have the advantage of range, like we do. Either way, though, try out a ranger, and see how it plays. It's still the best class in the game, as far as I'm concerned, regardless of present difficulties <span>:smileytongue:</span> Good luck! <span>:smileyhappy:</span> </font><div></div>

[Tamo]

At 19 my ranger soloed two seperate level 20 encounters. I had to go calm my self down after that adrenaline rush but by all means rangers are fine at soloing

[Jayad]

Soloing is a lot different in T7 than it is prior, so don't compare what you did at level 40 to what you do at level 70.  The mobs in KOS have a lot more HP which affects Rangers in particular.  Rangers CAN solo but it's a pain in the butt.

[Carna]

My Brigand is only lvl 60 so there's plenty of KoS I'm not seeing yet. What I have seen thus far isn't anything special. That may change as I progress.

[TofuPatty]

<blockquote><hr>Xney wrote:<div></div>Soloing is a lot different in T7 than it is prior, so don't compare what you did at level 40 to what you do at level 70.  The mobs in KOS have a lot more HP which affects Rangers in particular.  Rangers CAN solo but it's a pain in the butt.<hr></blockquote>I haven't seen this really myself in T7; immediately after the ranger castration in the LU with KOS release soloing was total hell, but after the un-nerfing I haven't had problems. I tend to always stay in defensive stance while soloing, yeah you can do better in offensive stance to start and changing it out once the mob is in melee range, but I'm lazy.  On release of KOS even green con ^ solo mobs were hell, but nowadays even con ^s aren't a real problem.<div></div>

[Stigch]

<P>I never group. Ever.</P> <P>I don't have fancy gear. I wear what I find. Only my bow has a proc, the rest doesn't even have any stats to speak off. All my skills are adept 1 or lower, except those you get to master for free with level achievement. I don't use expensive poisons. I use the highest dmg red poison I can find on the nearest merchant. Mordant Goo I think is the one I use now (level 30 by the way).</P> <P>ANything with no arrows or down arrows is fair game. None of it poses much of a challenge. They're half way dead by the time they get to me, they're left with less than 10% health after my stun-stealth move. I fire off nearly all my skills, get in at least one HO. Mobs fall like flies. When there are down arrows I can easily whipe up three. One is dead with the first shot, the second falls to the stun-stealth and the remaining one is wittled down with melee.</P> <P>The trick is to pick your targets right and to pick your location right. Your are a scout afterall. So  scout. I find all animals are easy pray. They don't cast, they don't do funny things. Undead are good too. Unless they cast, then you should take care. So don assume any spot and any mob is fair game if it cons the right way. Find your mob and your spot. Do a little leg work and when you find your spot, stick to it. A good spot can carry your over three levels easy. I soloed anything that moved around the entrance to the tomb of Varsoon from 27 to 30 with hardly any trouble at all. </P> <P>I'm scouting around feerrot and Nektulous for a new spot. I got excited about exploring so I haven't actually killed anything in days but I noticed several spots that could do the trick. </P> <P>So, location and target is just as important to skill. And you don't need fancy gear or high dmg arrows and expensive poisons. They help. but you don't need them.</P>

[Beldin_]

<blockquote><hr>Xney wrote:Soloing is a lot different in T7 than it is prior, so don't compare what you did at level 40 to what you do at level 70.  The mobs in KOS have a lot more HP which affects Rangers in particular.  Rangers CAN solo but it's a pain in the butt.<hr></blockquote>Problem in KoS are that there are a lot of mobs with upgrade or linked mobs and theoften are social like hell. However "normal" solo mobs that are not grouped are no problem.Best solo spots so far in KoS for a ranger in my opinion are the Gazer Isles in TTbecause you can safely pull from a mountain on max distance, and later the best ishunting Basiliks / Spiders in Bonemire.

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hurdoc wrote:<BR> <DIV>I play a lowbie level 17 Assassin but hate being evil for RP reasons... so I was thinking of making a Ranger. I brought it up in chat in the game and several people told me that they were both good but Assassins soloed better. Now, if they soloed a little better I could live with that.. but one of the people told me her level 41 Ranger couldn't kill 2 blue nonheroic groups? She cited some Splitpaw gnolls that finally made her quit.</DIV> <DIV>Now I like to group, but if/when I do solo, I don't want to be terribly [Removed for Content]. I don't actually believe this person but I thought I would find out here. I just quit the game and came right on the forums, I was so shocked. I don't know any class that CANNOT kill 2 blue nonheroics.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Level 58 Ranger here</P> <P>I have solo'd most of the way to 58.  It is about 70/30 solo to grouping (I want to group, it is just tough to find a steady group sometimes).  </P> <P>There are times in a rangers life that soloing is VERY easy and times when it is VERY hard.  Level 20-30 might be the toughest time I remember.  However, I also was not using the best strategies nor the best judgement of which fight to engage in.</P> <P>Soloing is very doable.  From what I see and hear, it is doable at every tier of our characters lives...it just takes smarts, patience, and strategy.  Not to mention the willingness to hit that escape button when you need to.</P> <P>Dont fear the ranger...unless you are the one the ranger is aiming at <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Saihung<BR></P>

[jrisley69]

Honestly, i don't know who said a ranger can't solo, but i have never had problems solo'ing.  With the right timing and everything, i can solo heroic mobs, with a little difficulty but still end up on top.  Singles are a piece of cake, group of 4 single heroics, just throw down a trap, open with AE arrow, and they root, then pick em off 1 at a time from a distance, or if they close in, melee, root, step back fire arrows, stun then repeat.  It's all about tactics and making use of your CA's and knowing how they work.  Even after that LU that dropped our proc % down, we can still dish out a lotta damage before  a mob even touches us.<div></div>

[Jayad]

If you have trap up, Rain up, then it's not always too hard to take down a group.  But that's once every 3 minutes.  Single mobs can be easy or difficult depending on whether you have room to kite and whether they resist your roots/snares, etc.  You compare that to, say, a warlock, and it's not so good. 

[Mudrick]

HI all, im new to this game but my first character is a ranger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> so far im enjoying him. but i have to ask you all what is kiteing?

[Rahmn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mudrick wrote:<BR> HI all, im new to this game but my first character is a ranger <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> so far im enjoying him. but i have to ask you all what is kiteing?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Kiting is the idea of slowing the run speed of a monster down while you avoid the monster by running around doing damage from a distance ,

[Jayad]

Also, I'd like to mention I'm not a 'solo' ranger - I only solo when I have to, so I'm sure I don't have the best solo tactics.  If somebody has some good tactics for KOS content in small spaces, it would be interesting to read.  I have not really had much success against a single ^^^ mob in KOS which is blue or better at level 70.

[Guitar_Guru]

Yeah, like all the others above have said (and numerous other's having said the before statement as well <span>:smileytongue:</span> ) soloing as a ranger is definitely eficient.  If people say we can't solo blue non-heroics, they must have drunk a pretty whacked-up +Int potion <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> Point being, we're challanging.  The aggressive style. . . eh, so-so matches the make-up of a ranger, but you still have to move a bit.  The Strategic style. . . No doubt about it, we're one of the best <span>:smileyhappy:</span>  If you like to always be on your toes, having to think to take down a decent enemy, and have the potential to defeat some more powerful dudes, then the Ranger is for you.  I hear the main differance between Ranger and Assassin is Casting Times (and the damage thereof) and the "ranged" vs. "melee" aspect.  All in all, take the advice of the old "Class Quests". . . "If at any point the kill becomes more exhilerating than the hunt, you should find a differant profession." That pretty much sums us up!  Hope I was able to help <span>:smileyhappy:</span> <div></div>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> Also, I'd like to mention I'm not a 'solo' ranger - I only solo when I have to, so I'm sure I don't have the best solo tactics.  If somebody has some good tactics for KOS content in small spaces, it would be interesting to read.  I<FONT color=#99ff99> have not really had much success against a single ^^^ mob in KOS which is blue or better at level 70.<BR></FONT> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Thats good...if you cant solo triple up heroic mobs then that means we are not nerf bait.   If you want to solo triple ups...get a group.</P> <P>Honestly, its been said many times and I am not trying to be or sound rude here...but no class should be able to solo a ^^^ if it cons to you.  Sure you can solo them grey, but you are NOT supposed to be doing that so....unless you have master everything and spend way too much money on potions, dont even worry about solo'ing them.</P> <P>Saihung<BR></P>

[Jayad]

<P>That's only a general guideline.  If you are geared very well, then why not?  There are many classes which can do it, and it's not because they're overpowered.   (with the exception of summoners at the moment)</P> <P>Is it practical?  No, the XP to time factor is awful, but occasionally it would be cool or useful to be able to do it.   Sometimes I need to kill something for a quest and nobody is grouping for it.   Rangers seem to have a worse time of it than we should, is all I'm saying.</P>

[Serventof Wrath]

<DIV>70 Ranger</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have always soloed well before the proc nerf it was very easy to solo.  Since then its a little more exciting.  I solo in Bonemire all the time.  I'll go harvesting to pass the time and I'll fight 1 or 2 solo mobs and not get to worried.  If I'm fighting a group I'll throw down a trap before the pull and still not worry.  The key, as stated before, is that you have to use your stun, root, and PBS to get bow shots and backstabs off during the fight and know when to evac <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[taeda]

<DIV>Hi everyone, Im a Ranger myself and I have found this thread to be both interesting as well as informative. I did have a question though for you more experienced rangers.... When you say you 'throw down a trap', What do you mean?</DIV>

[Prandtl]

<P>"throw down a trap" mean to use thorny trap, a lvl 52 skill that creates a "trap" that will root oncoming mobs and inflict a little bit of damage.  Very useful for soloing</P> <P>from O Games:  <A href="http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/ThornyTrap.php" target=_blank>http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/abilities/ThornyTrap.php</A></P>

[taeda]

Ok, Thanks for the Info!  I'll be looking forward to that skill in a couple of levels

[Moncreat]

<P>I am a level 70 ranger also.  I do a lot of soloing as well as raiding and grouping.  There have been a lot of things said here and people all are talking about their own exp.  Some things to remember though...many of these people are talking about having room to kite....picking the right area....throwing a trap down.</P> <P>One thing that all have to remember are that mobs are different classes also, and there are different classes in each type of mob and you cannot always tell what class they are.   There are going to be some even conned mobs that are really easy to solo and there will be some blue mobs that will be really tough.  Also Thorny Trap rarely works on mobs that fly (droags for example)  </P> <P>People all tell you about thier successes and don't tell you about thier failures.   I have been killed by a really green heroic mob because it constantly stunned me.  I have killed yellow solo mobs.  I have been behind, stealthed, far away from a blue solo mob and used sniper shot and it be deflected, parried, or something to that effect.  At every level there will be mobs that you can and cannot solo and it does not always have to do with ^ or heroic.</P> <P>At every level you can find mobs to solo and it will always make you a bit mad when you see a class that you don't think should be able to solo as well as you take down a ^ or ^^ heroic mob, but it happens.  Different levels of spells, different gear, AA lines all affect the outcome.</P> <P>I have played a ranger in every rpg that I could roll a ranger and have enjoyed them in each game.  They are different in every game and you can learn to play them to the best of YOUR ability.  </P> <P>Just remember though that a person can only state thier own opinion in thier solo experiences, but get out there try it and make your own opinion and decide from there.</P>

[Ze]

<P>I used to play a ranger, now I play a necro, simply because I spend a decent amount of time soloing. Rangers, if you ask me, just suck at soloing. Sure, when you pick the right spot, the right mobs, have plenty of room, rangers can solo. But so can every other class. Truth is, rangers have no way of dealing with adds, at least until they get thorny trap. I found soloing with a ranger to be fairly unimaginative as well. Throw all the dps you can up front and hope the mob gets to you weak enough so with a 3 CAs combo you can finish it down... If you get adds, run... bah...</P> <P>On a different note, rangers are probably the most fun class to solo in pvp, and one of the very few that can actually be played in solo pvp effectively. </P>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zerp wrote:<BR> <P>I used to play a ranger, now I play a necro, simply because I spend a decent amount of time soloing. Rangers, if you ask me, just suck at soloing. Sure, when you pick the right spot, the right mobs, have plenty of room, rangers can solo. But so can every other class. Truth is, rangers have no way of dealing with adds, at least until they get thorny trap. I found soloing with a ranger to be fairly unimaginative as well. Throw all the dps you can up front and hope the mob gets to you weak enough so with a 3 CAs combo you can finish it down... If you get adds, run... bah...</P> <P>On a different note, rangers are probably the most fun class to solo in pvp, and one of the very few that can actually be played in solo pvp effectively.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Rangers do not suck solo...sorry but I thoroughly disagree.  I, with my low mental capacity, do not have any inside information on how to play rangers...I think we all have similar strategies and what not...</P> <P>Perhaps it is different now at lower levels...but right now I levelled over the past day or so.  I did it entirely solo.  I have been solo'ing yellow ^'s with no deaths.  Yes I did evac a few times when my hits just didnt land like they needed to...but I have been taking on level 60 ^'s (con yellow) grouped with two single down arrows (yellow con as well).  They are giving me great xp and very good drops.  I do quests at the same time as grinding, but I think I solo fine. </P> <P>Maybe I dont solo as well as a pet class...or solo as well as a monk or what not...but I solo fine.  I dont have uber gear.  I have legendary crafted weapons, a few adept III's on skills that count (sniper shot, archer's frenzy, storm of arrows) m2 stealthy fire...but that is nothing that an average player shouldnt have.  I use my trap consistently....</P> <P>I dont know...I just have no problems solo'ing.  And I think it will only get easier the closer to the cap I get.  Level 59 now. </P> <P>I hope something breaks for you folks having problems....I just cant understand why though...btw I am only saying I disagree...dont get upset over this...just trying to understand.</P> <P>Sai</P>

[Teksun]

<blockquote><hr>Zerp wrote:<div></div> <p>I used to play a ranger, now I play a necro, simply because I spend a decent amount of time soloing. Rangers, if you ask me, just suck at soloing. Sure, when you pick the right spot, the right mobs, have plenty of room, rangers can solo. But so can every other class. Truth is, rangers have no way of dealing with adds, at least until they get thorny trap. I found soloing with a ranger to be fairly unimaginative as well. Throw all the dps you can up front and hope the mob gets to you weak enough so with a 3 CAs combo you can finish it down... If you get adds, run... bah...</p> <p>On a different note, rangers are probably the most fun class to solo in pvp, and one of the very few that can actually be played in solo pvp effectively. </p><hr></blockquote>That's thew challenge of being a Ranger IMHO. The 'hunt'. Killing MOBs is EASY, IF you find the right spot, the right mobs and have everything ready to go. I remember in my lower levels, I would spend a lot of time finding the right place to hunt, then stay there until I leveled (once to three times) then go and look for a new place. Once you find the right spot, leveling is quick and easy, FINDING the right spot is the challenge.<div></div>

[Lightomen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saihung23 wrote:<BR> <P>I have legendary crafted weapons, a few adept III's on skills that count (sniper shot, archer's frenzy, storm of arrows) m2 stealthy fire...but that is nothing that an average player shouldnt have.  I use my trap consistently....</P> <P>Sai<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You are in a level where Legendary crafted means something.  Pretty soon you will be in a level where Legendary crafted means NADA, Nothing, Zilch, Zippo.  T7 crafted is not on par with any other tier of crafted weapon and fits right in with everything else T7.</P> <P>That being said, I can and do solo level 64^^^ mobs in SoS and some of the grouped ^^ if trap is up, however, I have 15ish masters and the rest are Adept III's and I have mostly legendary/fabled gear.  The stun nerf is going to hurt my solo ability.  Typically, I start out with a high hitting ranged, stealthed skill, then as many other short casting ranged CAs before the mob gets to me.  I hit our 3 melee CAs and 2 debufffs, Point Blank Shot, run thru mob and hit Droag Sinister Strike or Longblade/Ranger Blade.  Mob turns to me and I hit Lunging Joust, step back a little, and hit a short cast ranged CA or Triple Arrow if it up.  I continue this process until mob is dead.</P> <P>FYI: DO NOT try this with a connable named as you will be evacing.  I have not been able to solo a connable named since the KoS Nerf and have pretty much given up waiting for the moons to align so I can.<BR></P>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lightomen wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You are in a level where Legendary crafted means something.  Pretty soon you will be in a level where Legendary crafted means NADA, Nothing, Zilch, Zippo.  T7 crafted is not on par with any other tier of crafted weapon and fits right in with everything else T7.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Gyaa...I keep seeing folks write something along those lines and I dont want to believe it lol</P> <P>I have so much hope and what not for T7....it cant be all that bad, uggh...I guess this is preparing me for the worst possible scenario but I still think that solo'ing up to now has been relatively easy for me.</P> <P>Just me though lol</P> <P>Sai</P>

[Serventof Wrath]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saihung23 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lightomen wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You are in a level where Legendary crafted means something.  Pretty soon you will be in a level where Legendary crafted means NADA, Nothing, Zilch, Zippo.  T7 crafted is not on par with any other tier of crafted weapon and fits right in with everything else T7.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Gyaa...I keep seeing folks write something along those lines and I dont want to believe it lol</P> <P>I have so much hope and what not for T7....it cant be all that bad, uggh...I guess this is preparing me for the worst possible scenario but I still think that solo'ing up to now has been relatively easy for me.</P> <P>Just me though lol</P> <P>Sai</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>No worries Sai you can still solo in T7 its harder and xp gain will seem to creep and yes the crafted T6 armor is better then T7.  I have 4 sets of armor on me (1 set of Xegonite, 1 set of awakened stuff from SoS, 1 set of random stuff i just can't bring my self to part with, and 1 set for resists).  However while you can solo in T7 the fastesr way to really grind xp is to grab a group and work the claymore line of quests.   That will be many hours grinding through SoS and then you head to PoA, both good xp grind areas with lots of named mobs.<BR>

[TofuPatty]

T7 rare crafted isn't all that great compared to T6 rare crafted, but don't despair over that, there's a lot of legendary dropped gear in T7 that is pretty nice that is even tradeable and the prices aren't too bad at least on my server.  There's also questable legendary gear as well, Grizzfazzles, the class hat and they claymore line should you choose to go that route. I've been able to solo connable nameds in KoS, even down in SoS, but the problem is it requires so much clearing through see-invis mobs and then clearing a spot to safely pull the named to that it really isn't worth the effort.  Just clearing through the see invis mobs to get deep enough into SoS takes a long, long, long time. <div></div>

[TofuPatty]

<div></div>As a follow up - quick check of tradable T7 legendary ranger usable gear on my server, qeynos side only:Armor :Mitts of the Restainer - leather but nice gloves stat wise for rangers - 18g, barely above vendor trash costsZhardiz's Leggings - again leather but really nice stat wise - 14g, think vendor trash cost might actually be more on thatQueen's Carapace - well, yet again leather but the mita is above xegonite crafted chain and again good stats for any scout, 23gRezhirz's Bracelts of the Task - chain, great stats for a scout, 35gWastewalker's Cowl - chian, great stats for a scout, 45gCowl of the Pathfinder - ranger class hat drop from vaults, very nice all around, 2.75pDark Chiten Ring - In much higher demand for tank classes due to the +5 def and +physical mitagaiton, but good stats, 3.5pMantacles of the Dark Sky - leather shoulders and again in much higher demand, slower drops hitting the market but really nice stats and procs a stifle, 5pWeapons:Steelrend's Flight blade - DW slash, good stats and +parry and slash, not bad DR, 49gBlackscale Shortsword - DW slash, good stats and DR, has a ward proc but the proc is only 2% so /eh, 85gFang of Kothurah - DW pierce, stats are a bit lacking but nice DR and a proc, 1.5pTuradami's Fang - DW pierce, good DR and a proc, 4pXegonite clusters for rare crafting on my server are running around 1p, and there is always the cost to find a weaponsmith/armorer to make the gear unless you're friends with one.  Cost for a lot of the T7 tradable legendry is well below crafted cost and is better as well, a decent amount is so bloated on the market that it sells for barely above vendor trash costs.  A lot of the old tier get into crafted rare gear is replaced by buy or get dropped legendary gear in T7.<div></div>

[Bledso]

<P>I can solo just fine on mobs that are within my limit.</P> <P>I can do yellow's and yellow 1 down - white ^ and blue ^^</P> <P>I enjoy my ranger and use the two dps buffs when i need to for adds to drop one mob quick then root the other and range his [Removed for Content].</P> <P>Just my 2 copper.</P>

[Jay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saihung23 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lightomen wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>You are in a level where Legendary crafted means something.  Pretty soon you will be in a level where Legendary crafted means NADA, Nothing, Zilch, Zippo.  T7 crafted is not on par with any other tier of crafted weapon and fits right in with everything else T7.</BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Gyaa...I keep seeing folks write something along those lines and I dont want to believe it lol</P> <P>I have so much hope and what not for T7....it cant be all that bad, uggh...I guess this is preparing me for the worst possible scenario but I still think that solo'ing up to now has been relatively easy for me.</P> <P>Just me though lol</P> <P>Sai</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Frankly, Sai, I think this is a good thing. Sure, I liked having near-Fabled quality crafted rare gear in T6, but it bugged the hell out of me that I was beholden to a bunch of crafters to get the nicer gear. Call me crazy, but I'm an adventurer, and it kinda sucked that I rarely ever got a drop outside a raid that was an actual upgrade to my crafted gear. Personally, I like T7 *much* better for that reason, b/c rare crafted gear is decent, but there are plenty of drops that you can get in normal groups / zones / instances that are comparable or better than the crafted stuff.</P>

[TaleraRis]

The problem is that the pendulum is swinging the other way now. Quested and dropped items are much better than what can be obtained crafting, and lowering the effectiveness of crafted items even more is just going to lead to crafting becoming useless for those things that are available as drops. <div></div>

[Jay]

Yeah, I'm definitely biased on this one. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  My only tradeskilling has been provisioning, and I quit that last year sometime...but I hunt almost every time I play Kaeros, so I like that to yield me some worthwhile gear once in a while. But it does seem like T7 is unbalanced as well, just in the opposite way of T6.

[Gareorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jay42 wrote:<BR> Yeah, I'm definitely biased on this one. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  My only tradeskilling has been provisioning, and I quit that last year sometime...but I hunt almost every time I play Kaeros, so I like that to yield me some worthwhile gear once in a while. But it does seem like T7 is unbalanced as well, just in the opposite way of T6.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Most definately.  I'm a 62 Jeweler and the only reason I craft is to level or make the occassional palladium torque when asked.  Dropped jewelery is much better than crafted in T7 also.  I don't mind so much, because like yourself, I'd rather be adventuring than crafting.</P> <P>To Sai, don't fret too much.  There are some awesome drops in T7, many of which don't require a raid force.  I'm sporting some new head gear that dropped in SoS last night while doing some grinding.  The only thing that bugs me is that all the gear looks different.  All the different colors make me look like a little wood elf clown. :smileyhappy:</P>

[TaleraRis]

<DIV>Well one way I could see where they could revitalize things is in the secondary tradeskills. There will be confirmed tinkering available as a secondary tradeskill, and an unknown other. They could implement a tradeskill such as augmenting from Live, and allow these pieces to be slotted into existing armor (think FFVI materia) to improve the statistics on it. </DIV>