Brigand Tanking ability + Roundshield Inquiry

[Archai]

Howdy all, been peering down the stamina AA line and the abilities look pretty bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for a tanking scout. Tanks are in short supply so I would love to pick up the role as MT even though this proably isnt what we were designed for.Anyone with any experience with the line 34 - 70? I want to know wether it would be worth going down the line (and maybe respecing once i get to T7) so i can be an active tank as well as dps. So basically it comes down to.Will my mitigation stay at the level needed to keep tanking?Do all of my taunt lines get upgraded? Beg for mercy, cuss, etc?Will maintaining aggro against other scouts / mages be a problem?Oh and one last thing, do roundshields help any? They don't seem to change any of my stats, but I guess I am not looking at them hard enough <span><span>:smileyhappy: Thanks in advance for the non sarcastic help </span></span><div></div>

[Crimson Dragon]

i have no experience with the stamina line,  but i have spent plenty of time tanking things with my brigand.brigands tank rather well for not being a fighter. you will get upgrades to your hate control abilities, as with most spells / combat arts.brigands have two mitigation buffs. the str and mit buff, and their defensive stance. coupled with good armor, and a few buffs from group members, your mitigation should be fine.what i've found to be my biggest concern is having high resists. when tanking, you're gonna get a lot of magical types of damage thrown at you. while group buffs will help, any good resist gear that you can pick up will help.holding aggro against groups has been challenging for me, but stamina does give you an aoe taunt, so that would probably help. having never tried the stamina line, i can't say for sure that it will help, but looking at all of the abilities, i can say that what they do should be very helpful if you want to be a tank. equipping any type of shield will only increase your avoidance. so yes, i would say they are helpful.<div></div>

[Zygwen]

Roundshields provide approximately 8% blocking. To get the exact % divide the protection value by your level. Stamina line only reaches its full potential when you get the last ability. So you have to spend a minimum of 24 AAs in Stamina line to be a tanking rogue. So it isn't that useful when leveling up until you get those 24 AAs. If you want to tank in group settings though, Stamina line is definately a viable option after getting those 24 points. Wisdom line provides better dps but at the expence of avoidance and taunting ability.<div></div>

[skidmark]

I intend to try the Sta line with my brigand, but I am not going to spend a single achievement point in it till I have 24 points. I will spend all of my points up to then in Agi and Wis then respec all into Sta.

[Archai]

<div></div>Thanks for the info people, i only got 6 aa . i wanna try tanking with the group taunt today. i will post what i've found. Edit: Ok after playing all day with stamina line I have found the group taunt to be most helpful. I duo'ed a named group or two with a fury healing, and then we went to EL with a full group to hunt triple up yellow spiders. We had a real easy time until we got adds. LoL. Good mitigation and stamina. I can't wait till I finish the AA line, but even with this little bit and average gear I am tanking really well (Or at least I think so). Lastly holding aggro is a chore with high DPS groups especially when fighting a gaggle of mobs, at least until i get  that last in the line. Versitility thy name is Brigand. I love it.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Archaiis on <span class=date_text>07-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:56 PM</span>

[Niende]

I'm still hoping the devs change their mind about the 50 AA cap so I can pick up abilities like the stamina line to use when I'm 2boxing or small grouping it and let me keep my normal abilities for raiding. Probably never happen but it'd be fun. Oh and it would also give me something to do between now and november expansion. Lots of people I know are quitting due to nothing left to do till it is released. Some may return for echoes but definately not all. Too many games coming out this year, bleh.

[Sete Soujiro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Niende wrote:<BR> I'm still hoping the devs change their mind about the 50 AA cap so I can pick up abilities like the stamina line to use when I'm 2boxing or small grouping it and let me keep my normal abilities for raiding. Probably never happen but it'd be fun. Oh and it would also give me something to do between now and november expansion. Lots of people I know are quitting due to nothing left to do till it is released. Some may return for echoes but definately not all. Too many games coming out this year, bleh.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They wont raise the cap past 50 for these set of skills because then every rouge will do str/agi/wis and dominate the parses

[Keleran]

My understanding was that the Faydwer expansion due this winter will include a revamped AA tree with a higher cap.

[Carna]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Keleran wrote:<BR>My understanding was that the Faydwer expansion due this winter will include a revamped AA tree with a higher cap.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If need be they'll do what they did in EQ1 and add another tier of AA.

[Apathyloves]

<blockquote><hr>Zygwen wrote:Roundshields provide approximately 8% blocking. To get the exact % divide the protection value by your level. Stamina line only reaches its full potential when you get the last ability. So you have to spend a minimum of 24 AAs in Stamina line to be a tanking rogue. So it isn't that useful when leveling up until you get those 24 AAs. If you want to tank in group settings though, Stamina line is definately a viable option after getting those 24 points. Wisdom line provides better dps but at the expence of avoidance and taunting ability.<div></div><hr></blockquote> I always wondered about the protection translation to actual numbers, thanks nektulos.Arac<div></div>

[Timesquare]

<DIV>if you want tank for a group ,try go for </DIV> <DIV>sta 4 , group taunt 5 or 6  , hp 6, dps mod ( useless ) 4 , last 8</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV>

[Wildfury77]

<div></div>LOL DPS mod is useless......56% at lvl 8. Unless your regular group has people with lots of static buffs....this is a sweet bonus. What would i know i'm only a tanking swashie. --->1100 DPS in a HoF group last night (70 paladin, 70 swashie, 70 mystic, 63 warlock, 64 SK and 67 guard) - Would we have completed zone and taken down ALL the named with this suboptimal group if i HADN'T had the 56% DPS bonus.............i think not <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>07-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:26 AM</span>

[Archai]

Lil update: Now that I've been playing with this AA setup for a couple levels now, i must say it is the shiznight having the extra HP and the group taunt. Everything else down this line is gonna rock when i get it. My mitigation in defensive stance is very very close to many plate tanks and in nearly all cases higher than brawlers with about the same Avoidance. Truly the stamina line will be awesome once filled out and I am considering maxing it out when i get enough AA points. Not having to look for a tank for groups is also pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] sweet. <div></div>

[Wildfury77]

Welcome to the light <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> With the right equipment and AAs  - a Roguetank is a VERY viable group tank including HoF & we still have good DPS!!*Drelakor's Scaleshield (treasured) is a good choice until u can get a fabled/legendary one - Heal proc.*Planar Orb of the Warrior - (from collection quest) Gives u an earing with healing +mitigation proc.<div></div>

[UNTILitSLEEPS]

<DIV>i have been tanking hof for a few times now (str/int  aa) never had problems </DIV> <DIV>underground negotiation + double up worked well as ae taunt (never had a warlock with me)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lvl 70 mysti and 66 templar buffed me to 9k hp and about 4,5k miti last time...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i think that a brigand/swashie with sta aa would make a very good tank for all grp situations</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[geron]

yea...uhmmmmm if your a brigand and your going the tank aa line you really should either 1:cancel your account right now  or 2:reroll a guardianbrigands are debuff/dps class...and thats it...i am fully geared out with 3800 mit and 40 avoid in offensive stance but IM NOT A TANK even though i have more mit/avoid then half the plate wearers on the server....if your going the stamina line your wasting your aa's and money for respecs later onZaphear70 Brigand Dog of Dissolution<div></div>

[Crimson Dragon]

the point of achievement lines is to be able to further customize your character. brigands <b>can </b>tank, and some people like to be able to do that effectively and often, if necessary.just because you don't want to do it, doesn't mean that someone else can't or that they won't be good at it.i say that if you want to tank, have at it. by the way, walk the plank from the agility line works well with tanking if you have the points to spend on it. give you the back without having to run around like a nut and confusing your group. just make sure you share with the other scouts in the group that you'll be self-turning the mobs. <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[EscapedGo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> geron02 wrote:<BR>yea...uhmmmmm if your a brigand and your going the tank aa line you really should either 1:cancel your account right now  or 2:reroll a guardian<BR><BR>brigands are debuff/dps class...and thats it...i am fully geared out with 3800 mit and 40 avoid in offensive stance but IM NOT A TANK <FONT color=#ff0033>even though i have more mit/avoid then half the plate wearers on the server</FONT>....if your going the stamina line your wasting your aa's and money for respecs later on<BR><BR><BR>Zaphear<BR>70 Brigand Dog of Dissolution<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If that really is the case, then why not try tanking? seems like you're shooting your own argument in the foot here by bragging about how high your own mit/avoid is.</P>

[Wildfury77]

<div></div>Taunt(s) plural.....High DPS (Great agro control) and High HP/Mitigation/Avoidance - BUT not "allowed" to tank by the <u><b><font color="#ffff00">arcade gauntlet</font></b></u> gang like the poster a couple above....oh well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />P.S. If your avoidance is only 40% in offensive stance you are NOT fully geared.......<div></div><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:20 AM</span>

[skidmark]

I am only 37th level but I can only reach 40 avoid in def stance. With maxed def and parry, what more besides bumping up AGI could I do to get higher avoid? My mit is 1360 (41% mit) which I didn't think was too shabby for a chain wearer.

[Jeffmaster]

I'm level 36 and have the same stats..and im well equiped for my level

[Wildfury77]

<DIV>Tier 7 has lots of items that give +defence +parry. That significantly raises your Avoidance. Your Agility as rogue at lvl 70 should be capped if you've been upgrading. That and a roundshield (big avoidance bonus) should raise Avoidance to 60-65% in defensive stance and about 50% in offensive. I can reach 68-69% with dirge buffs AND still haven't got the +8 defence from claymore belt.......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I assuming Legendary tier 7/claymore kit +1 or 2 pieces of fabled.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Wildfury77 on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:14 PM</span>

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

Yeah, once you hit 70 you can get claymore gear, which has AWESOME tanking stats, a lot of it is scout wearable jewelry. A well geared Brigand can tank any heroic content in the game other than Icy Digs and Nizara, A raid geared Brigand with the STA line (Never heard of such a thing personally) could probably tank the first 3 nameds in labs and most of the cube mobs (not that i'd ever want a Brigand tanking for me over a warrior, but I bet it's possible)

[Xri]

<P>We have 3 raid brigands in our guild.</P> <P>One is WIS/STR, another is STA/STR, and I went INT/STR.</P> <P>I will find my screenshot of the STA/STR Brigand buffed to tank.  If I remember right, it was around 12k hp, 6.7k mit, and 80% avoid...but that is off the top of my head.</P>

[Owwiee]

I have been running Stam/Str lines and love them.  Playing on PvP the added Hp's are great and raw tanks are rare.  I spend most of the time either tanking or beging for mercy for the brusier.  I can effectivly tank T7 content and don't forsee me respecing out of Stam line untill I am done grinding if at all.

[Archai]

Definitely sticking with the stamina line. I was in CT the other day at 41 and I was still in my 25 - 39 gear but i was able to tank the yellows and oranges just fine with the compitent healer we had. Still having problems holding group aggro against warlocks but as soon as i get a couple more AA for the dmg boost to one handed weapons I gonna put some points into my Area taunt. lol a brigand as a raid tank.  "Everyone follow the pirate... we're going in." <div></div>

[Owwiee]

Wouldn't go as far as to say "Raid tank" but you will do very well in exp/farming groups where a plate tank cannot be found.

[Wildfury77]

<DIV>IF (as posted above) u can hit 6500 mitigation 80% avoidance + 12k HPs in 3 healer group then.....if u can hold agro then i think raid MT might just be possible for some nameds and <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>be very funny too!!</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm trying to gear out my swashtank to attempt this as a once off on labs raid and post a <EM><U>few pictures on the monk/bruiser forums</U> </EM>to try and annoy them.........Certainly think i can do <EM><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>a few of the nameds!</STRONG></FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. Of course if I manage it - they will cry NERF!! (Not taking into account the fact SoE have given us a blatantly obvious tanking line and that <U><STRONG><EM>1 or 2 people</EM> </STRONG></U>have spent months getting tanking equipment/master taunts and practicing techniques to hold agro from wizards/warlocks)</DIV>

[Owwiee]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wildfury77 wrote:<BR> <DIV>IF (as posted above) <U><STRONG><FONT color=#ff6600>u can hit 6500 mitigation 80% avoidance + 12k HPs in </FONT></STRONG></U>3 healer group then.....if u can hold agro then i think raid MT might just be possible for some nameds and <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>be very funny too!!</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm trying to gear out my swashtank to attempt this as a once off on labs raid and post a <EM><U>few pictures on the monk/bruiser forums</U> </EM>to try and annoy them.........Certainly think i can do <EM><FONT color=#ffff00><STRONG>a few of the nameds!</STRONG></FONT></EM></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. Of course if I manage it - they will cry NERF!! (Not taking into account the fact SoE have given us a blatantly obvious tanking line and that <U><STRONG><EM>1 or 2 people</EM> </STRONG></U>have spent months getting tanking equipment/master taunts and practicing techniques to hold agro from wizards/warlocks)</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I'd love to see Screenies of this and know what kiinda armor they had.  If this is possiable I would work hard to acchive it.  I love tanking as a Brigand.  As it stands in most Exp grind groups I am very near our tanks in Mit and Hp's.  I'd just love to rub them stats in thier faces =P<BR>

[Bladewind]

<P>We had  a brig tank Gorenoire for about a quarter of the fight the other day during a bit of an emergency <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I was snickering as the people in vent were saying things like, 'holy crap, the brig is holding and styaing up.'</P> <P>I get the same responses when I tank 'warrior only' things as a monk.  People really need to grow out of the eq1 mentality already.  This game is an independent entity and is now 2+ years old.</P> <P>I started a brig out a few months ago simply because the idea of being able to make a rogue tank intrigued me.  It has worked well so far and, from what I have seen here, others have had quite a bit of success with it as well.</P>

[Xri]

<DIV>Bah, keep forgetting to dig around for that screenshot, sorry about that.  I will try and remember to look for it tonight.</DIV>

[Xri]

<DIV>Sorry, was a little off on the stats, but he only had a Temp, and Defiler for buffs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/112/798.JPG"></DIV>

[Wildfury77]

hehe - nice...sadly as a Swashtank my mitigation is 1500 or so less but avoidance only 9% higher. Would rather have the mitigation!! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Saeldar]

How's the DPS when going with the tanking brigand setup?Lets say with str or agi line...Is it still respectable, or it is a truly big trade off?

[Owwiee]

<P>I still pull agro whenever i want.   Though I have never grouped with a Guardian or zerker that I have't out lvled by 3 or 4 lvls.  Most our servers tanks are brawler/crusader types.  But I have never had a problem taking/keeping agro if I need/want too.  And i Parse one of the top 2 in the group.... but sorry don't have actual numbers.</P> <P> </P> <P>BTW i am Str/Sta line</P>

[Rokjin]

<P>It is also worth noting that while Rogues can get up close to mitigation/avoidance levels of a tank, and can hold hate decently, there's more to being a tank than just those things.</P> <P>In the end Fighters, will always have advantages because they have CAs geared towards improving their tankability. Mitigation boosts on timers, death-preventers that restore health instead of the person dying, etc.</P> <P>There also do seem to be some core mechanic differences with Fighters getting hit, compared to other classes. I was doing Ghoulbane a few weeks ago and was fighting a grey Epic x2 Named, which got me down to half health in the first 10 seconds of the fight.</P> <P>I tried it again with my Berserker friend, and he really didn't take any damage at all from the same mob in the course of a 2 minute fight ([expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] epics and their HP). Just looking at our stats, mitigation, avoidance, defense/etc.  I take about 20-30% more damage than him, which cannot account for the huge difference in how we tanked the same mob.</P>

[Owwiee]

Aye.... they are tanks for a reason.  I would never dream of tanking an epic mob that conned to me.  But in general for PvE grinding I feel I make a pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good tank. 

[Archai]

Yep aside from the crazy named T7 mobs (which should be left to the real tanks anyways) everything else can be taken by a well equipped rogue from what I am seeing. I wouldn't think rogues would completely replace fighter (esp warrior) classes but I am definitely an awesome alternative, thats all I want =)<div></div>

[Macross_JR]

self buffed I have about 4400 mit, it's more but don't remember how much more.  that is with harden master 1 and ruffian at app4, will be looking to get ruffian to at least adept 3 to further see how much mit I can get solo.  also need to get some key mit gear, the bp from one of the claymore quests, another light chitin ring, the aviak-feather charm, and a necklace, also need to upgrade my treasured gloves.<div></div>

[Wildfury77]

<font color="#ffff00"><u>I regularly tank HoF (with 1 healer group) with my swashtank</u></font>......i think we are MORE than viable - if u know how to pull well, the zone inside out and have mastered agro holding a Roguetank is as good as many (not all) fighters in T7 instances. they may have nice tanking buffs but we have MUCH higher burst DPS, i normally parse in top 3 on my guild x4 raids - if your Rogue MT in an instance pumps out that lvl of DPS & you have additional powerful DPS in group the MOBs die so fast its unreal! Take Sothis as an example - he got 1 add active that was still at the bottom of the stairs when i last tanked him. Or the Frankie Droag - dead in short order.Tanking can be about absorbing dmg and being rocksolid<i><font color="#ff0000"> or equally </font></i>about bring Pretty tough (4500+ mit, 65%+ avoid) and killing fast!!!<div></div>

[Owwiee]

Ya I just hit 70 this week and am now in the process of upgrading my equipment.  Self buffed i am at just shy of 3800 mit and 58% avoid with mostly just mastercrafted items.  So I am looking forward to buffing my equipment up to handle tanking at the top of the tier.

[Macross_JR]

<div></div>well I am now at 4534mit with 6813hp self buffed.  I will say, if you are going the tank route I would recommend going agility also, as you will be able to turn the mob around to get your debuffs on it.  Plus it helps solo'ing very, very much.P.S. After I get a couple of key armor/jewelry upgrades I will be close to 5k self buffed mit.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Macross_JR on <span class=date_text>08-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:06 PM</span>

[Krod]

Macross_Jr, would you mind linking your profile, I'm curious as to your gear and AA setup.thanks!<div></div>

[Despak]

Looking pretty interesting with the Stamina line, would love to see some parses as both Main Tank and DPS with this line (anyone?).As for the post by Zaphear, Disso people sometimes post useful information, but I find 95% of the time it's posted with over the top arrogance so always take them with a huge grain of salt. Must be something about the guild.<p>Message Edited by Despak on <span class=date_text>08-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:41 AM</span>

[Jeffmaster]

<DIV> I have got to admit that with that very good 'Bible of AA's' ......the stamina line is getting more and more attractive until level 70 when the raids become an important part of the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So many choices...</DIV>

[Macross_JR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Krodah wrote:Macross_Jr, would you mind linking your profile, I'm curious as to your gear and AA setup.thanks!<div></div><hr></blockquote>My brigand's name is Guham on the Permafrost server.  As for my AA set up it is now at this:Sta: 4/8/8/8/1Agi: 4/2working on finishing up getting my 50 aa's.  As for my gear I have some pretty decent gear, working on getting some, what I think, key other pieces of mit gear.  I also have adept 3 of our defensive stance Ruffian which gives 420 mit and master 1 of hardened which gives like 500 some mit I think.</div>

[kyth]

    Personally selfbuffed w/o sta lines i can get about 4500mit and 50% avoidance.  Not only that but i actually enjoy tanking now and then.  Healer friend needs help we can duo most anything.  Cant find a tank for instances runs, I will tank.  Shoot i even get bored now and then and try tanking epics.      Yes we are the best defensive stat debuffers in the game.  That doesnt mean that we are not allowed to think outside the box.      <div></div>

[Macross_JR]

Here is some screen shots of my Armor/Weapons/Jewelry/Tank CA's/AA's <p> <img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/image_view.vm?imageId=583103"> </p> <p> <img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/image_view.vm?imageId=583367"> </p> <p> <img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/image_view.vm?imageId=583368"> </p> <p> <img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/image_view.vm?imageId=583106> </p><p>Message Edited by Macross_JR on <span class=date_text>08-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:02 PM</span>

[Jida]

Images are broken<div></div>

[Macross_JR]

right click and view then<div></div>

[mikemcmodmi]

<P>Let me tell ya, the stamina line rocks.  A trio of us have been trying to finish claymore in poa for a while now with no luck.  We can never get a tank to come help so I said screw this and went stamina line.</P> <P>I think I went stam:  5,8,6,8,1 or something along those lines.</P> <P>I was a great tank.  With the healer in my group I had 5300 mitigation without a lot of fableds.  The last ability in the stamina line also gives a mitigation bonus.  The aoe taunt is sick.  It's more then crusaders, plus it's every 20 seconds vs tanks who have 30 second aoe taunt recasts.  I was holding aggro on a warlock (I was tabbing through the encounter though) with no dirge or coercer.</P> <P>If you want to tank for quests then this line is a must.  Don't get me wrong, first thing I'm going to do is respec once I'm done tanking in poa for str/agi but for now the setup rocks.</P> <P>Btw I'm sure that a brigand in this setup could tank Gorenaire no problemo.  Get some items like the parasidic tunic and if your guild is REALLY bored I bet a brigand could raid tank some easy stuff.</P><p>Message Edited by mikemcmodmike on <span class=date_text>08-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:11 AM</span>

[Trollb]

<DIV>I [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tanked runneyeye without stamina line. Just went in as far as I could get before we died cause silly add. Definitely wished I had an extra taunt. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The assassin wasnt watching and had his [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to the ^^^ golem. By the time I could say anything, the golem add was on us. We almost won, I probably could have taunted the golem off the assassin, but figured... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] pulled aggro AFTER I had already taunted both of them off with specials and dmg. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is also something we have that tanks dont; we can stun and then get behind for debuffs, etc. With 3 [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] stuns, we can pretty much keep the debuffs up and your basic XP trash hurtin. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im stoked to read this though. I chose ogre brigand because I pictured it as a tanker type. Just this unstoppable beast who can deal damage and take hits. Pretty much how it worked out. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, Stamina and AGI line are probably going to be my choices. Too many [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] runners in PVP. Will be nice to have ye ole autoattack assjam as they run for the exit. LOL.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Trollboy on <span class=date_text>08-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:57 AM</span>

[mikemcmodmi]

<P>Yea, I can see it being really good for pvp.  Yesterday I went into SoS to help tank for a quest and had more mitigation then the n00b pally in the group.  The 420 extra mitigation really helps, plus you proc hate 50% of the time when you're hit.  It's the last ability in the line plus the aoe taunt that really makes you into a tank.</P> <P>The only downside I see for us tanking is poor resists.   I need to get some better gear maybe but my resists are really poor.</P>

[Lyasa]

humm. not geared towards tanking at all. but yesterday was doing nizara when tank went down to a nasty flame claw and i ended up having to tank 3 of the snakes and di decent at holding agro/ taking hits. barely have any raid level gear, either. specc'd in str (4/4/4/<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />/ wis (same) but i find i usually have similar mit/avoid as many tanks, sometimes better. but they have more hp, unless i'm a good bit higher level. <div></div>

[Shidonya]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Shidonya on <span class=date_text>08-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:51 AM</span>

[Shidonya]

<P>Dunno [Removed for Content] happened here it triple posted.</P><p>Message Edited by Shidonya on <span class=date_text>08-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:50 AM</span>

[Shidonya]

<P>Hello my name is Shidonya and I am a respec'er. </P> <P>Just respect other night since my guild has moved to pvp and I refuse to start over I went Str 4/4/8, Agi 4/1, Sta 4/4/4/8/1. Lemme just say LOOOOOVE ITTT.</P> <P>I now have 60% avoidance and almost 5k mit. I had to get the 1 point in walk the plank as I am adicted to it and cannot give it up. Since I haven't raided in over a month autoattack damage is pretty much null and void so I don't need avast ye or unencumberence (heroic mobs die to fast).  Was in SoS last night (hate that zone, thanks to claymore series) helping my zerker friend with his class hat quest killing scaleborn warriors. I was actually better tanking it than him too funny. In fact we got trained by some monk and was fighting about 8 or 9 scaleborns and he went down like a box of rocks I stayed around a while to kill 3 more before I evaced, it was awesome.</P>

[Krod]

Shidonya,  if autoattack dmg is not important to you,  I'd drop the 4 of the 8 points you have in the dps buff talent and put those in the critical talent in the str pool.  That will help with your CA's.just a though<div></div>

[Shidonya]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Krodah wrote:<BR>Shidonya,<BR>  if autoattack dmg is not important to you,  I'd drop the 4 of the 8 points you have in the dps buff talent and put those in the critical talent in the str pool.  That will help with your CA's.<BR><BR>just a though<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah I know I was thinking of changing it to 4 more in the hp increase or the crits hadn't decided which.

[mikemcmodmi]

<P>I'd keep the 8 points in dps mod.  With 8 points you're at 56% which makes your 1 hander better then dual weilding.  This makes up for not dual weilding while you're xping and helps you hold hate really well.  Grouped with an illusionist and troub the other day and let me tell ya, 100% haste and 56% dps mod is really nice lol.</P> <P>I love how while tanking you can get your back attacks in too.  Use 2 sec stun > mit and resists debuffs > jump back to front... then use 3 sec stun > 4 attacks and then jump back to front.  The mob never turns for other scouts and you just burnt all your CAs.  Hitting 800 dps while tanking, having a nice aoe taunt plus having a nice taunt makes you great at holding hate.</P> <P>Still wouldn't recommend this build for raiding because once you're raid buffed the 56% can actually be a hinderance because you might cap out and would be better off in wis or str/agi line.</P><p>Message Edited by mikemcmodmike on <span class=date_text>08-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:36 AM</span>