Okay, so how big is current day Antonica and the other overland zones?

[Troubor]

<DIV>Wasn't 100% sure if this should be in Lore or the Zones forum.  Moderators, please move to the proper forum if I picked the wrong one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, since I never played EQ1...just to ask, how big is let's say the Greater Faydark, Antonica and so forth if these were real sections of land?  How far in miles or kilometers is Qeynos to Windstalker Village?  And the whole plot of land that Antonica and TS is on..are we looking at an island the size of Iceland?  Or Greenland?  Or a small continent like Australia?  Or larger then that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't have the pencil & paper games, so don't know if there's a map with a distance scale in them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for any  helpful replies.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Actual distance has never been covered anywhere in Everquest. Not once will you find an actual Metric or Standard measurement of distance to properly record how far away specific locations are from each other, so we really can't say.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, We can compare Everquest 2 zones to thier Everquest 1 counterparts. Overall, Everquest 2 is larger in traveling distance than EQlive. Antonica, which is Qeynos Hills, is 5 times larger than Qeynos Hills is in EQlive.</DIV>

[Jaale]

<P>It's this big:</P> <P>|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------| *</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>* not to scale.</P>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<DIV>Antonica and Faydwer are continents.  They are hundreds of miles across, if not thousnands, *theoretically*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If one had the patience and time to actually pace it out in-game though, they would probably find that the entire continent would only be a dozen or so miles wide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not really practical to have an in-game scale be anything like the theoretical scale.  Continents are big places.  It takes years to actually cross them on foot.  Wildlife and encounters would be hours, perhaps days between occurances.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Therefore <STRONG>ALL</STRONG> MMORPGs use a sliding scale of distance that players are willing to suspend disbelief for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But from a forum point of view, or for roleplay, continents may retain their larger scale.</DIV>

[Troubor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote:<BR> <DIV>Antonica and Faydwer are continents.  They are hundreds of miles across, if not thousnands, *theoretically*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If one had the patience and time to actually pace it out in-game though, they would probably find that the entire continent would only be a dozen or so miles wide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not really practical to have an in-game scale be anything like the theoretical scale.  Continents are big places.  It takes years to actually cross them on foot.  Wildlife and encounters would be hours, perhaps days between occurances.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Therefore <STRONG>ALL</STRONG> MMORPGs use a sliding scale of distance that players are willing to suspend disbelief for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But from a forum point of view, or for roleplay, continents may retain their larger scale.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Oh, I understand that the "while playing" size of Antonica is going to be a lot smaller then the "Lore" size.  And yes, I do allow for a suspension of disbelief...consider that the ingame time is vastly compressed compared to IRL time...one game day is 72 minutes if I recall.</P> <P>And yes, I know continents are big places.  :p  Guess I was just trying to get a handle on if Antonica and TS is closer to Iceland sized, or Australia sized, or somewhere inbetween.  Or to put it another way, if the whole of the shattered lands were "glued" back together to their pre-shattering form, are we talking about something like Pangea, or something like Asia or Africa that's been torn apart.</P> <P>So...I guess if a developer wishes to chime in, what is the "forum/roleplay" point of view?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>Taking measurements and comments from the EQ table-top RPG, the Plains of Karana are some 800 miles wide.  </P> <P>The (old) continent of Antonica is (was) perhaps 1,200 miles across and 2,000 miles north to south.  </P> <P>Faydwer looks to be maybe 1,500 miles east to west, so we are talking Australia sized continents (roughly), or a bit smaller.</P>

[Xalmat]

I don't know about how big they are, lore-wise. But if you assume that a distance of 1 via /loc is 1 meter, then the Antonica zone itself is approximately 6 square kilometers, or right around 2.3 square miles.

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xalmat wrote:<BR>I don't know about how big they are, lore-wise. But if you assume that a distance of 1 via /loc is 1 meter, then the Antonica zone itself is approximately 6 square kilometers, or right around 2.3 square miles.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hey... Never thought of it like that before. very interesting.

[TheKons]

Xalmat ftw!<div></div>

[Gukkor2]

<P>I've always thought of Antonica as being roughly equivalent to North America, minus Alaska and the broken-up regions of Canada, with Faydwer being about the size of Europe and Odus being somewhat smaller than Australia.  Kunark would be perhaps the size of South America, while Velious would be just a tad smaller than Antarctica.  Taelosia's size is a bit difficult to gauge, but I'd say it's maybe half to two-thirds the size of Africa.</P> <P> </P> <P>Put into perspective, the explored islands of the Shattered Lands make up little more than half of the original Antonica (excluding other known, but unexplored islands, such as Highbourne, the Moors of Ykesha, or Kithicor).  Even the largest of the islands wouldn't be much larger than the state of Texas.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Based on the map of Taelosia included with Gates of Discord, I'd say Taelosia is more about the size of Indonesia.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>12-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:21 PM</span>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote:<BR> <DIV>Antonica and Faydwer are continents.  They are hundreds of miles across, if not thousnands, *theoretically*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If one had the patience and time to actually pace it out in-game though, they would probably find that the entire continent would only be a dozen or so miles wide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not really practical to have an in-game scale be anything like the theoretical scale.  Continents are big places.  It takes years to actually cross them on foot.  Wildlife and encounters would be hours, perhaps days between occurances.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Therefore <STRONG>ALL</STRONG> MMORPGs use a sliding scale of distance that players are willing to suspend disbelief for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But from a forum point of view, or for roleplay, continents may retain their larger scale.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I have to agree there and that the only MMO that was really "Believable" for size was SWG course that was covering entire planets. </P> <P>With how everything is connected to go from say QH to SQ to Antonica then *Running not on horse or griffon* to Thundering Steppes then to TS docks would take a while.  I'm also betting that if you were to really do calculations and all ingame we are seeing a 1/4th scale size of the actual continents.</P> <P>Sadly one place that seems supremly small is the Desert of Flames area with the Sinking Sand, Pillar of Flame and Maj'Dul. <BR></P>

[Illmarr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Based on the map of Taelosia included with Gates of Discord, I'd say Taelosia is more about the size of Indonesia.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <SPAN class=date_text>12-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:21 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Taelosia in game never felt like it had much size really (a lot like EQ2 pre-EoF once past the Antonica/TS and Commonlands/Nek Forest islands actually), but on maps it was very much in the southern latitudes if I remember right, so I always assumed it was bigger than it looked, much like Australia is bigger than Greenland, but on a map is dwarfed by it.<p>Message Edited by Illmarr on <span class=date_text>12-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:58 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Taelosia is so small it's questionable to even declare it a continent.</DIV>

[Gukkor2]

<DIV> <P>"Sadly one place that seems supremly small is the Desert of Flames area with the Sinking Sand, Pillar of Flame and Maj'Dul."</P> <P>Look at the in-game map.  It <STRONG>is </STRONG>small. <BR></P></DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Actually if you look at the map of Ro, more than 50% of the entire continent is uninhabitable and/or untraversable rocky cliffs. more than half the continent...</DIV>

[ke'la]

<P>Accually the thing to remember is the only currently explorable "Contenant" in eq2 is Faydwar, and it is about the size of Ant/TS, Nek/CL, Feer and Ro combined(look at the Creation Map not in-game its more accurate do to more room).</P> <P>Every other location on Norath that we can goto is what is left of the Contenant of Antonica as such none of those Islands can truely be called a contenant.(I said on not above, not talking about KoS). That would be like saying Japan is a Contenant because it was once conected to Asia. </P>

[Gobbwin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mary the Prophetess wrote:<BR> <DIV>Antonica and Faydwer are continents.  They are hundreds of miles across, if not thousnands, *theoretically*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If one had the patience and time to actually pace it out in-game though, they would probably find that the entire continent would only be a dozen or so miles wide.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not really practical to have an in-game scale be anything like the theoretical scale.  Continents are big places.  It takes years to actually cross them on foot.  Wildlife and encounters would be hours, perhaps days between occurances.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Therefore <STRONG>ALL</STRONG> MMORPGs use a sliding scale of distance that players are willing to suspend disbelief for.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But from a forum point of view, or for roleplay, continents may retain their larger scale.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well put.  As you said, the Karana's in EQ1 were over 800 miles across.  However, you could run across them (from Qeynos Hills to High Hold Pass) in 15-20 min.  Also, the Lore version of the Karana's had many villages and outposts, but the game version only had a few houses.  Another thing to keep in mind is that much of the orignal land mass of Antonica was lost during the shattering.  It either flooded when Velious melted or it sunk into the Underfoot.  The original Antonica was probably comperable to most of North America.  Now, if you "glued it all back together" it would be comperable to Europe or Australia.</P><p>Message Edited by Gobbwin on <span class=date_text>12-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:18 AM</span>

[Zagats]

<DIV>yeah, I dunno if what we have now could be called "Continents"... theyre broken pieces of what were the continents.  </DIV> <DIV>What used to be Antonica is now [Commonlands/Freeport/Nektulos], [Lavastorm], [Everfrost], [Rivervale/Enchanted Lands], [Qeynos/Antonica], [Feerott], [Zek], [Desert of Ro], [Innothule Swamp/Guk/Gukta - not in game yet?..was south of Ro in EQ1 times...]</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That's 8 of the "continents" we have in game and one area that isnt in game, that used to make up 1 continent.  I just dont see them as being continents, other than Faydwer.</DIV> <DIV>Traveling is MUCH MUCH MUCH quicker in EQ2.  And with teleports back in game, its only gotten quicker.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really cant say how "big" its supposed to be, but I just imagine it's many many miles that I'm traversing, and many more miles that I'm skipping by taking a mariner bell somewhere.</DIV>

[Illmarr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Taelosia is so small it's questionable to even declare it a continent.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Always glad to hear your <U>opinion</U> Sir

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Of course it's my opinion. Why the **** are you thinking that I'm stating it as fact? THEY DONT TELL US HOW HUGE THESE THINGS ARE. You have no right to assume that I am stating my opinion as fact just because I dont included "IN MY OPINION" in my statement.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>12-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 AM</span>

[Ishnar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Illmarr wrote:<BR> <BR>Always glad to hear your <U>opinion</U> Sir<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thank you for telling us your <U>opinion.</U></P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P align=left><FONT color=#669900>I've always thought of Antonica as being roughly equivalent to North America, minus Alaska and the broken-up regions of Canada, with Faydwer being about the size of Europe and Odus being somewhat smaller than Australia.  Kunark would be perhaps the size of South America, while Velious would be just a tad smaller than Antarctica.  Taelosia's size is a bit difficult to gauge, but I'd say it's maybe half to two-thirds the size of Africa.</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I've always thought of Antonica as being roughly equivalent to North America, minus Alaska, Canada, Mexico, all those little countries below Mexico, the original 13 colonies, the midwest, all of the Union states, all of the confederate states east of Texas, all the states to the west of the rockies, all the states bordering the east of the rockies, any state in the "great Plains" and any other state not named Texas.</P>

[Halo of G4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gukkor2 wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P>"Sadly one place that seems supremly small is the Desert of Flames area with the Sinking Sand, Pillar of Flame and Maj'Dul."</P> <P>Look at the in-game map.  It <STRONG>is </STRONG>small. <BR></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Island of Ro was only a small piece of the desert of Ro.</P> <P> </P> <P>I would think that its only a small chunk of Oasis of Marr(you can tell that it is becuase of the specter tower near the docks) and that whatever happened to North Ro and South Ro is unknown.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>As mentioned, more than half of the actual entire continent of Ro is Untraversable rocks and cliffs. There's nothing on the west side of the continent.</DIV>

[Halo of G4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>As mentioned, more than half of the actual entire continent of Ro is Untraversable rocks and cliffs. There's nothing on the west side of the continent.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Everything else that was left of Ro was submerged under water right?</P> <P>Most of Ro was where the water and the docks were before the shattering happened.</P> <P>I found this image in a eq2 thread made back in March. I think you should remember it Cusashorn, you posted in it.</P> <P><IMG src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/043/441.jpg"></P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>No that was someone who was trying to justify the complete existance of North Ro, South Ro, and Oasis of Marr in thier entirety in Sinking Sands. The maps of Ro inside the game itself shows the continent to be much bigger than what we see though.</DIV>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Halo of G4 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>As mentioned, more than half of the actual entire continent of Ro is Untraversable rocks and cliffs. There's nothing on the west side of the continent.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Everything else that was left of Ro was submerged under water right?</P> <P>Most of Ro was where the water and the docks were before the shattering happened.</P> <P>I found this image in a eq2 thread made back in March. I think you should remember it Cusashorn, you posted in it.</P> <P><IMG src="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/000/001/043/441.jpg"></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Are those two maps even to scale with each other?  hmmm

[Mary the Prophetess]

<P>I think I need to step in to Cusashorn's defense here.  </P> <P>That map is a map I made, not Cusa.  </P> <P>As far as scale is concerned, I lined up the Spectre Tower, the docks, and the entrance to the LDoN entrance to Takish Hiz, together with maps of EQoA, EQ Live, and EQ2.  I first lined up the EQoA maps with the EQ Live maps of the Deserts of Ro, and made a combined map of the two.  Then I lined that combined map up with the EQ2 map.  All maps are to scale with each other, though I limited the area shown to the confines of the EQ Live maps of North Ro, Oasis, and South Ro.</P> <P>However, if you paste all the EQ Live zone maps of Antonica into a vast mosaic, you will find that there are many large areas that are missing between the different parts of the maps.</P> <P>The area of the Rujarkian Hills for example, (which was present in EQoA maps), is absent from the EQ Live zone maps, but is partially accounted for by the EQ2 (Isle of Ro) maps.</P> <P>The maps serve as a *general* reference point to the geography between all three games.  Any discrepencies can, (and probably should), be explained away by inaccuracies in the map making techniques of the times.</P> <P>Like many areas of Norrathian history, geography, mythology, and lore, it may be best not to put it under too intense a scrutiny, or it will break down in specific areas.</P> <P>I prefer to rationalize away the inconsistencies as attributable to different NPC interpretations or misconceptions, and the developers, (on more than one occasion), have more or less taken the same point of view; (IE: inconsistancies can be attributed to mis-translations or an attempt by NPCs to put a 'spin' on their version of events etc.)</P> <P>We, as omniscient players, can discuss these geographical or lore oversights and contradictions, but the developers can and will, (indeed <EM>must</EM>), provide a lore explanation that can explain away the discrepencies; no matter how convoluted and tortured that explanation may seem to us; (and there have been some *real* hard explanations that we have been forced to swallow)!</P> <P>  </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on <span class=date_text>12-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:21 AM</span>