History and lore compared to EQ1?

[Vanisher123]

<DIV>When I played EQ for a short time I found it had a very deep, large lore and history from the Darkhollow thing to the moon with its void areas and such.</DIV> <DIV>What I want to know is how "deep" is the lore on eq2, becuase it seems they either blew up, sunk, or just vanished most of the places with cool lore I liked from eq, and from what i see about the adventure/expantion packs the lore they add I can find on anyother game.</DIV> <DIV>Is there any element of the strange indepth lore from eq1 in eq2?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>Vanisher123 wrote:<div>When I played EQ for a short time I found it had a very deep, large lore and history from the Darkhollow thing to the moon with its void areas and such.</div> <div>What I want to know is how "deep" is the lore on eq2, becuase it seems they either blew up, sunk, or just vanished most of the places with cool lore I liked from eq, and from what i see about the adventure/expantion packs the lore they add I can find on anyother game.</div> <div>Is there any element of the strange indepth lore from eq1 in eq2?</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>I would venture to say the lore here is VERY deep.  Once you start to dig into it you can find just how intertwined and in depth it all is.  Oh, and just because something seems to be blown up, sunk, or vanished doesn't mean it is. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I don't think you will be one bit disappointed if you really get into the lore here.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The lore is significantly deeper in EQ2 than it ever was in EQlive.</DIV>

[Vanisher123]

<P>Ok.</P> <P>(I hope some time they have something about the moon, the little time i was there it was cool)</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Heh. the fate of Luclin is the one thing that is (as if intentionally) overlooked in EQ2. Probably because they don't want anyone to know anything of what happened untill they're really good and ready to reveal one heck of a shocker.</DIV>

[Vanisher123]

Yes, because other than the gods (which i thought left...) what could blow up a moon?

[PinkBi]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vanisher123 wrote:<BR> Yes, because other than the gods (which i thought left...) what could blow up a moon?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The Sleeper is a theory that's floating around....</DIV>

[Vanisher123]

<P>the sleeper?(no clue what that is)</P> <P> </P> <P>Edit: Ok, ill do that now.</P><p>Message Edited by Vanisher123 on <span class=date_text>09-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:27 PM</span>

[RpTheHotrod]

<P>The Sleeper (Kerafyrm) is a big part of eq lore <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> You must look it up somewhere and read!</P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><A href="http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp" target=_blank>http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Read that.</DIV>

[Vanisher123]

so the sleeper is the fire/ice dragon that is dead?yet may have blown up the moon?

[Galithdor]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vanisher123 wrote:<BR> so the sleeper is the fire/ice dragon that is dead?yet may have blown up the moon?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not dead...sleeping <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vanisher123]

but that article said ppl "killed" it, is that only in the game sence and in story its gonna come back and bite every in the (word that would most likly be blocked)?

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Ascending Dawn, Wudan, and Magus Imperialus Magicus guilds of Rallos Zek combined together to kill Kerafyrm just to prove that the "unkillable" mob could be killed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rallos Zek, unbelievably, was one of the last remaining servers where someone did not wake up Kerafyrm and screwed the entire server out of ever getting another Prismatic weapon, Sceptre of Destruction, Robe of Longevity, and many other great items that only got less than stellar replacements after he was woken up. (it was a ONE TIME ONLY deal per server. Once it happened, it never happened again.)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For all intents and purposes, Kerafyrm was never ment to be fought. You're not suppose to fight him. Your suppose to die to him.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Rallos Zek proved that he could indeed be killed, and they did just that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However. What one server does, doesn't mean that the story has changed compaired to what has happened on the other 30 servers as a whole.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>09-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:56 PM</span>

[Vanisher123]

<DIV>so story-wise the sleeper woke up then just vanished?And may have blasted the moon for some reason?</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vanisher123 wrote:<BR> <DIV>so story-wise the sleeper woke up then just vanished?And may have blasted the moon for some reason?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah, he woke up, went on an angry rampage through Skyshrine and the Temple of Veeshan, then disappeared to who knows where.</P> <P>There is two "theories" that Kerafyrm is involved in the destruction of Luclin, but the two dragons who tell you this story are both lying to your face.</P>

[Vanisher123]

ahh, I guess we'll only find out when they decide to release story about it...

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>The lore is significantly deeper in EQ2 than it ever was in EQlive.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think how deep lore is here compared to eq1 and eqlive can vary from person to person.  However imho EQ2 lore is 10x deeper than the lore in EQOA because alot of things are set in stone.  EQOA had to make alot of stuff up but had to keep some stuff in line with EQ1 in order to make it coherrent. </P> <P>However I am really intrigued by EQ2 lore because of what developes it instead of basic, concrete text book examples in other games. <BR></P>

[DreamerClou]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV><A href="http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp" target=_blank>http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Read that.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That link doesn't seem to be a good reference that actually tells the story lore of Kerafrym (the sleeper).  It seems more of a statistical analysis and mechanics of the NPC - not much story.

[RpTheHotrod]

<DIV>Search the forums (literally SEARCH) for     Sleeper  or Kerafrym</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One of them is a storyline of him.</DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DreamerCloud9 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV><A href="http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp" target=_blank>http://www.albrandes.com/skden/articles/sleeper.asp</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Read that.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That link doesn't seem to be a good reference that actually tells the story lore of Kerafrym (the sleeper).  It seems more of a statistical analysis and mechanics of the NPC - not much story.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats because there's really not much known about his creation and life. All the important lore is listed right in that web link. Especially what all the dragons around the world say when he wakes up.

[Themaginator]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Vanisher123 wrote:<div></div>so the sleeper is the fire/ice dragon that is dead?yet may have blown up the moon?<hr></blockquote>not really fire and ice hes a "prismatic dragon", the entire reason why there was a law that no dragons of two different colors could mate. basically he was meant to bring about the end of all non dragons but he ended up going crazy and with his generals took out entire legions of dragons until he was defeated the only way they knew how, by puting him in a stasis held in place by four dragon warders.  also he was never really killed in the story. you see we as adventurers are really greedy so we get tricked into going in by gah one of the dar's in dragon necropolis his name escapes me  atm, ANYWAY then we kill the warders and awaken Kerafyrm who then goes on  a rampage escaping his tomb and killing the leader of the Claws of Veeshan and anything in his path, after that he goes off to some unknown place to regain his power while his generals hold up waiting for his return, btw before its asked the 4 dragons we fight in KoS are NOT the generals, once again their names escape me but i know one of them is named Kildrukaun who was basically his mentor, the first room in HoF is named after him.  so basically thats the story of the sleeper in a nut shell.</div><p>Message Edited by Themaginator on <span class=date_text>10-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:47 AM</span>

[Obsi]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vanisher123 wrote:<BR> <DIV>so story-wise the sleeper woke up then just vanished?And may have blasted the moon for some reason?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Actually there are proof that is a Troll that broke up Luclin ! </P> <P>Am really sorry for the Kerafim plot supporters :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Vyrance]

actually, theres a pretty in-depth story about the life of kerafyrm, who his supporters came to be, his life as a general in the dragonarmies, etc.  cant link it now though since i must head to work =/<div></div>

[DeviousPande]

<div><blockquote><hr>Vyrance wrote:actually, theres a pretty in-depth story about the life of kerafyrm, who his supporters came to be, his life as a general in the dragonarmies, etc.  cant link it now though since i must head to work =/<div></div><hr></blockquote>Curse...You...<span>:robotindifferent:</span></div>

[RoninSenshi]

<DIV>EQ2 Lore is better, cause I can find stuff like this in EQ2.. EQ1's lore was good, dont get me wrong but I had a hard time comming across alot of it. EQ2's quest system tells stories better, and the lore is just eaiser to find.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For example, The best lore I've come across in game is actually the Hero of Maj'Dul Quest line series. *Spoiler*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The building up of the city from the Dervish Cutthroats, the rule of the city from A rightful King, that was outed and slain by a Scheming Tier'dal from the past named Dorn, who allied with a powerful Wizard named Mudeef. Mudeef ran the city from the front while Dorn truly controled the city from his Shadow Organization known as the Court of Tears.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Children of the Rightful King were scattered to the winds, the Eldest and rightful Heir to the Throne fled and lived in Exile down in the Pillars of Flame while the other brothers were pitted against one another in a Mockery of their former justice System.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dorn's plan was perfect. Split the Royal Family with promices of power. Give them a small bit of control, and ensure they would never overtake one another. The three Younger sons of the Rightful King were split up between three different parts of the Government..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Court of Coin - Treasury</DIV> <DIV>The Court of Blades - Defense</DIV> <DIV>The Court of Truth - Legaslative.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And they were told a story by Mudeef to keep them in control, that if one could gain more support then the other two, he would become king and rule over all. Of course, Dorn would never allow such to happen, using his Court of Tears he ensured that all three Courts would continue warring with eachother, never able to gain the Throne.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All of this was sealed with a wish. A Wish from A Djinn who Mudeefcame across in his many travels. A Djinn which, by the wish of the Older Brother, gave Mudeef Eternal Life for as long as he was the Ruler of Maj'Dul. The Djinn could not use his trickery upon Mudeef, for it was not Mudeef who wished this, but the royal family itself (A little shakey on this part, trying to remember how it exactly went down).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So now, Mudeef sits in power.. Immortal, and with a Djinn who can never leave because the Djinn is forced to maintain the life of Mudeef. Soon the time comes where Mudeef tires of being Dorn's puppet, and begins to seise true control of the city.. why should Mudeef take orders from Dorn.. he is Immortal and all powerful now..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Enter the Hero. The Hero of Maj'Dul, who has seen the treachury of the courts, gained the Amulets from each of the Brothers, and found the Exiled older Son. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Hero who uncovers this scheme, Strikes down Mudeef, Strikes down Dorn B'Dynn and shatters the Court of Tears, which has begun to form an alliance with the Orcs of Rujark, and Returns the Older Brother to his Throne.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is only the older Brother, the true Heir to the Throne with the Scepter in hand and the Amulet about his neck that can put an end to Mudeef forever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With the words "Your services are no longer required", Mudeef lost rule over Maj'Dul..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>..and with that, he lost his Immortality, and his life. Shattered into a million pieces, and the Djinn he held in control.. free.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Free, like the city of Maj'Dul.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All hail the Barrshar..</DIV> <DIV>..Hero of Maj'Dul.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>((Fix anything I got wrong :p. BTW, feel better now Crus?))</DIV><p>Message Edited by ShintouShinai on <span class=date_text>10-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:41 PM</span>

[Vyrance]

here you go DeviousPandera:Text taken from Jorteva the Crusader in Skyshrine.<strong>Kerafyrm's creation and war on the dragons</strong>[Sun Sep 29 22:48:04 2002] You say, 'Hail, Jortreva the Crusader' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:05 2002] Jortreva the Crusader lifts her wings in a graceful motion as she lowers her chin to eye Ironhand in greetings, ''I am Jortreva, Crusader of Veeshan. I am the ear to the whispers upon the shadows and the eyes to witness the tainted footsteps of our enemies that corrupt our path. Your kind, the second generation of the lesser gods' creation, have brought us into being as we are now -- for that, we hold neither gratitude nor contempt. It is your actions that have sent us spiraling through an umbra of immeasurable danger that could secure the destruction of all upon this world, but it shall be through the undying efforts of the [champions] that we may have some chance to ward this darkness back into the oblivion it strives to create.'' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:25 2002] You say, 'What are champions?' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:25 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''We are four elemental dragons bred to be champions among our people -- within this world. We do not seek recognition or praise from either world -- yours or that of Veeshan's brood -- but we seek to protect and maintain the balance that keeps our worlds separate, yet unified upon the same plane of existence. When Kerafyrm was first placed into stasis by our predecessors, the elemental warders, the [council] ordered the arranged breeding of what would be the warders' replacements when the time came for their stations to ascend. However, the unpredicted actions of the second generation have thrown us into a new role -- the role of Crusaders.''' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:39 2002] You say, 'What council?' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:39 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''When dragon kind was accompanied upon this world by the lesser god's intrusion, the council of elders was formed. Immediately our ancestors realized the need for our kind to be of sound unification if we were to prevail and remain the superior beings upon what is rightfully our world. As we watched the eras pass through both the second generation and our own cultures, the members of the council changed. Eventually, one known as Kildrukaun would be appointed Arch Priest of Veeshan through divine rite and ceremony -- a sacred part of our institution that I shall not divulge to one as yourself. His first decree would be to condemn the unification of souls between dragons whose elemental influences were of opposition. It was of his belief, and thus the belief of the council, that such a union was against Veeshan's will and would have dire consequences upon the entire dragon nation. Time would pass again before [fate] would descend upon Kildrukaun's decree.''' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:47 2002] You say, 'What fate?' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:47 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Two dragons of opposite elemental powers confronted the council with their desire to mate. Kildrukaun immediately dismissed any blessing and ordered the dragons from ever fulfilling their desires. These two were young still and very headstrong, regarding the council and its rules to be outdated when considering the growing influence and power of the second generation. They fled to unknown corners of Norrath and there, they bound their souls in a sacred union that would forge the first prismatic dragon. When knowledge of this event came to the council, Kildrukaun, a being of great wisdom and calm heart for regard of his own people looked upon the prismatic's creation as that of Veeshan's will, for conceivably unto him, only Veeshan herself could defy her great priest's rule. The council was in agreement and the hatchling, who would be named Kerafyrm, the Prophetic Savior, was allowed to continue existence under close watch that would be [governed by Kildrukaun himself].''' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:53 2002] You say, 'How was it governed by Kildrukaun himself?' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:53 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Although Kildrukaun was inspired and intrigued by Kerafyrm's existence, he was wary still for he had yet to be witness to the true intent of Veeshan's will. In this time, the dragon nation had split and were in opposing power -- the Ring of Scale whom fled their native Velious for Kunark, and the Claws of Veeshan, the original order and council of dragon kind. It was known that Kildrukaun was furious with the recent division and he strongly believed that it was Veeshan's will for the dragon nations to reunite once again, lest they become as weak and pitiful as the second generation. He viewed Kerafyrm to be the road that would guide the dragons to unification, although it was a unification that would be borne of an unknown purpose that Kerafyrm served. Kildrukaun never interacted with the young prismatic dragon, but served as the dictator behind his mentors. Eventually, Kerafyrm would rise to a power unseen within any dragon of his still fledgling age and Kildrukaun's [prophecy] would be born.'' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:59 2002] You say, 'What Prophecy?' [Sun Sep 29 22:48:59 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kildrukaun was of the mind that Kerafyrm was meant to lead the dragon nation in a civil war -- the Claws of Veeshan invading the great mountain fortress known as Veeshan's Peak that the Ring of Scale had established. He was certain that his campaign would unify the dragons and this was nothing less than the will of Veeshan herself. The council dismissed Kildrukaun's prophecy, exclaiming that although they must find a way to bring the Ring of Scale back under the wing of the elder council, they could not wage a war and abandon the threat of Kael Drakkal. Kildrukaun was furious, although he did not confront the council directly. Over the passing centuries, he would sway three of the [council elders] to his side and would personally oversee Kerafyrm's final stages of growth. Eventually the time would come when the council would [recognize their mistake] in allowing Kerafyrm to exist and their order for his termination would be the greatest impact in their destiny.'' [Sun Sep 29 22:49:13 2002] You say, 'What council elders?' [Sun Sep 29 22:49:13 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''When dragon kind was accompanied upon this world by the lesser god's intrusion, the council of elders was formed. Immediately our ancestors realized the need for our kind to be of sound unification if we were to prevail and remain the superior beings upon what is rightfully our world. As we watched the eras pass through both the second generation and our own cultures, the members of the council changed. Eventually, one known as Kildrukaun would be appointed Arch Priest of Veeshan through divine rite and ceremony -- a sacred part of our institution that I shall not divulge to one as yourself. His first decree would be to condemn the unification of souls between dragons whose elemental influences were of opposition. It was of his belief, and thus the belief of the council, that such a union was against Veeshan's will and would have dire consequences upon the entire dragon nation. Time would pass again before [fate] would descend upon Kildrukaun's decree.''' [Sun Sep 29 22:49:48 2002] You say, 'How would the recognize their mistake?' [Sun Sep 29 22:49:48 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kerafyrm quickly ascended the ranks within the Claws of Veeshan and eventually became our most powerful general. He led several successful campaigns against the rising threat of the giants of Kael and his influence grew among the elders of the council. However, something dark grew within him -- his bite became venomous and his talon ruthless in its command over his troops and allies. Eventually, his dominion and influence was nothing short of a monstrous creature of pure malignant hatred and an unrivaled lust for destruction and chaos that the council had no other choice but to demand his destruction -- a rule that Kildrukaun was present to hear and deceitfully condone. Shortly thereafter, Kildrukaun and four council elders whom the arch priest had managed to sway with his charismatic diplomacy and sound argument of his prophecy flew to Kerafyrm's side, where the four of them made preparations for the inevitable [war] to come.''' [Sun Sep 29 22:50:41 2002] You say, 'What war?' [Sun Sep 29 22:50:42 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Although short lived, the war between Kerafyrm's legions and those of the Claws of Veeshan would be a near crippling blow to the survival of the elder dragon council upon Velious. Kerafyrm's legions were severely outnumbered by those of the elder council, but time and time again they displayed their awesome strength and power. Eventually, Kerafyrm was restrained and taken to what would be his place of indefinite slumber. The four traitorous elders fled Velious safely to unknown locations, where they would lay in wait until the time came that Kerafyrm would be released. After centuries of hiding, the Ancients have returned and they now have a near unbreakable hold upon the former tomb of their master, where again they lay in wait -- anticipating the arrival of their master and the time to execute the undoubtedly phenomenal plan that will [bring about the extinction of all great existence] upon Norrath if they are successful.''' [Sun Sep 29 22:54:02 2002] You say, 'why will they bring about the extinction of all great existence?' [Sun Sep 29 22:54:02 2002] Jortreva the Crusader says ''Kildrukaun has always despised the second generation and has long sought your total demise. Kerafyrm undoubtedly seeks vengeance for the actions of the Claws of Veeshan against him and together, the arch priest and Kerafyrm will seek to reconstruct this world in their own mind's image of what it should be -- a world that belongs solely to Veeshan's children, reborn in Kildrukaun's ideals, and subservient to Kerafyrm. They are truly mad with hate and an untamable lust for destruction -- one that [we must extinguish] forever.'''<div></div>

[Ogrebe]

The Wiki Section of the eq2-daily section has a tons of <a href="http://www.eq2daily.com/wiki/index.php?title=Everquest_Lore" target=_blank>lore if you want to read some </a><div></div>

[ski]

Some say the big bad dragon. I still think it was Khati sha. Hes probably the best peice of fluff out of the luclin expansion and yet hes not very well known. :smileysad:

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Why would Khati Sha deliberately destroy his own homeworld and the native race of Grimlings that lived there when the conflict they shared with the Vah Shir was minimal at best?</DIV>

[IrishWonder]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Why would Khati Sha deliberately destroy his own homeworld and the native race of Grimlings that lived there when the conflict they shared with the Vah Shir was minimal at best?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>He was trying to get to the cheese....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ1 and EQ2 lore are two different beasts in their own rights. EQ1 lore was more encompassing and told on a larger, more epic seeming scale. This was accomplished because there were always "super-powers" in play in EQ1. You had the Pantheon always getting involved in things as well as the huge dragon factions, Luclin factions, etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In EQ2, the "epic" lore is toned down... mainly because we don't have these powers like the Gods, the big dragon factions (the Awakened is a small cult and doesn't have that "powerful" feeling that the Claws of Veeshan or Ring of Scale had about them), etc. In their place, you get lots of smaller lore than is so much more detailed than anything you'd find in EQ1. The Maj'Dul story above is an example.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can find deep and rich lore in both games. If you're looking for the epic lore in EQ2, I don't think you'll have to search much longer. With the return of the Gods, I'm guessing within 2 more expansions that type of lore will be in play on EQ2 as well.</DIV>

[ski]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Why would Khati Sha deliberately destroy his own homeworld and the native race of Grimlings that lived there when the conflict they shared with the Vah Shir was minimal at best?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Mainly because he can't really remember who he is or where he came from. He would willingly destroy the grimlings when/if he finds out that they were lieing to him to keep him on their side basicly. All khati sha knows right now is that the shissar did it and hes [Removed for Content].