EQ Vamps

[Zentalas]

not sure if this has been disscussed before but im looking for any and all info on Norrath's vampires, how they comepare to other fantasy vamps and jsut how they came about, anything would be helpful thanks<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Well the biggest vampire of them all is Mayong Mistmoore, a Dark Elf who's origins are still enshrouded in mystery. We don't know when he became a vampire or how, but he lived in Castle Mistmoore on Feydwere for countless ages before the Elves moved to Feydwere from Antonica.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as vampires go, he fills the Aristocratical steriotype. He's the Lord of his castle, and it's not gentlemanlike to treat his guests rudely.... Unless they're uninvited guests...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But the thing is.... There has really been very little, if any, evidence to show that Mayong is a Blood Drinker. He's not your typical Dracula. We don't know about his feeding habits or anything. We just know that he is/was a Dark Elf, and that sunlight has no harmful effect on vampires in Norrath.</DIV>

[EQ2Playa432]

<strike>Feydwere</strike><font color="#ffffff"><b>F-a-y-d-w-e-r <span>:smileytongue:</span></b></font>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Note to Self.  Practice Corpscrush </font></font></font><div></div>

[Archill]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Well the biggest vampire of them all is Mayong Mistmoore, a Dark Elf who's origins are still enshrouded in mystery. We don't know when he became a vampire or how, but he lived in Castle Mistmoore on Feydwere for countless ages before the Elves moved to Feydwere from Antonica.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>As far as vampires go, he fills the Aristocratical steriotype. He's the Lord of his castle, and it's not gentlemanlike to treat his guests rudely.... Unless they're uninvited guests...</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>But the thing is.... There has really been very little, if any, evidence to show that Mayong is a Blood Drinker. He's not your typical Dracula. We don't know about his feeding habits or anything. We just know that he is/was a Dark Elf, and that sunlight has no harmful effect on vampires in Norrath.</div><hr></blockquote>Maybe the Ewe had a role? The vampire in Silent city mentions this.. I'll have to dig around for a direct quote though.</div>

[Vyrance]

<div></div>actually, we dont know that he is/was a dark elf.  no ones really sure what he is.also, i think the largest vampire group in EQ1 was the Coterie, which was a group of vampires based on the moon of Luclin.  they were one of the main enemies against the city of Katta Castellum.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Vyrance on <span class=date_text>09-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:04 AM</span>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vyrance wrote:<BR> actually, we dont know that he is/was a dark elf.  no ones really sure what he is.<BR><BR>also, i think the largest vampire group in EQ1 was the Coterie, which was a group of vampires based on the moon of Luclin.  they were one of the main enemies against the city of Katta Castellum.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Vyrance on <SPAN class=date_text>09-16-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:04 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Mayong's portrait was all over his castle, as well as a few places in the Tower of Frozen Shadow (most of these had rips in them), and all of them were of a Teir'Dal.  Pretty sure a dev either here, or from EQ said the portraits were of Mayong, but I'll have to go find the quote to be certain.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Ewer of Sul'Dae made the D'Morte vampires what they are, of that we are quite certain, as is stated by the Freethinkers during the Peacock quest.  Mayong's relation to the D'Morte's is unknown at this point, but there does seem to be a connection of some sort.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Norrathian vampires seem to have grown paler, enlarged canines, and lack a soul (undead-undead spells hurt the vampires in LDoN-Mistmoore Catacombs).  They also seem to be quite strong, but given that various NPCs in various zones are various strengths, we have no deffinitive way of telling if they are actually stronger.   Similarly, we don't have a way of measuring other standard vampire abilities, such as regeneration, enhanced mental powers, or wall crawling abilities.</DIV> <DIV>They do drink blood, though, and need it to survive.  They also seem to have grown immortal without a soul, as Mayong his several millenia old, when the longest living elves tend to die off at a little over seven hundred years.  They do not seem to be affected by daylight, though they tend to prefer darkness and the night.  Similarly, crosses have no affect, and I don't think garlic would do much good, either.  Holy water, though, does (was a weapon you could buy to throw at them in LDoN), but no more than any other potion might.  Mayong also has ties to werewolves, as well as drachnids (half teir'dal, half spider).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Luclin, as was mentioned, also had a group of vampires, they were known as the Coterie of Night.  The vampyres DID seem to be affected by daylight, and looked quite a bit different than the others.  If I remember correctly, they origins may have had something to do with Akheva blood (an immortal race created by the goddess Luclin who were native to the moon, and very, very tough).  I could be mistaken, however, and akheva blood could have simply altered their form.  They too preyed on the blood of the living, and I believe they were also soul-less, as in some quests, you had to talk to the souls of some who had been made vampyres.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Think that's all I have on Vampires.  Oh, there is something about Vampires, and Vampyres, one refers to Luclin breed, the other is Norrathian, I think.  Hope this helps!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>The Coterie vampires weren't normal vampires in the usual sense either though.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>True, they were affected by sunlight, but it was revealed that it was actually a disease caused by natural pathogens and such from the Tenebrous Mountains that caused them to mutate into coterie vampires. I remember some of the quests asked you to find samples so a cure could be made.</DIV>

[Whazy]

I'm hoping the anti-vampire spell we got from the D'Morte adventure pack will affect the Mistmore lot.

[Whazy]

In AD&D, the undead, especially vampires, could drain experience from the players.  I think having some vampires with that ability would be great.  Especially level 70+ vampires, so the higher level people would have to re-ding to 70 every so often. 

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Whazy wrote:<BR> In AD&D, the undead, especially vampires, could drain experience from the players.  I think having some vampires with that ability would be great.  Especially level 70+ vampires, so the higher level people would have to re-ding to 70 every so often. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This would work well in EQlive where you lose XP when you die.</P> <P> </P> <P>Since you can't lose XP in EQ2, that's not likely to happen.</P> <P><BR></P>

[KniteShayd]

<P>I theorize, even as a dark elf, he had/has some connection to Anashti Sul.  </P> <P>Unless Innoruuk took him as a Sul'Dal, as he did with Tunare's elves, and tried to warp him to no avail.  Either that or he turned out different due to his connection to Anashti Sul, and Innoruuk tossed him aside unsatisfied with the result.</P> <P>I have no basis for this assumption, but like I said, it's just a theory awaiting to be proved/disproved.</P>

[Banditman]

There is absolutely no reason why the Dev team couldn't introduce a special ability in this expansion pack which drains experience upon death.  It might even be interesting.<div></div>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Banditman wrote:<BR>There is absolutely no reason why the Dev team couldn't introduce a special ability in this expansion pack which drains experience upon death.  It might even be interesting.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/agree</P> <P>they'd have to allow them to drop good stuff though, as the risk would be too great for the reward if drops were crap.</P>

[Whazy]

There's already a mob that procs damage to armor and gear.  I don't see why there can't be mobs that drain xp.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I agree it would be interesting to see. Just as long as it was normal XP and not Acheivement XP.</DIV>

[KniteShayd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I agree it would be interesting to see. Just as long as it was normal XP and not Acheivement XP.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>/agree

[Stealth Status]

<div></div>Guys, be realistic.There is no way in hell, they will ever have a mob, that drains XP when you die.WHY?It is useless content. There would be NO reason to ever ever ever risk this at all, unless it was a raid mob.Even then with the 16+ contested in EoF, this would be ONE.Sorry, no raid force is going to risk becomming ineffective for teh "cool experience" to fight a bunch of heoric vampires. That zone will just be empty. Unless every raid mob and contested in EoF ALL drain xp, anything even remotely close to suggestion they will have xp stealing vampires is so out of the question it is completely laughable. They make game content to play. Not just for the heck of it.No one wouuld ever risk degressing in the game.And no matter how great the heoric loot was, no one who raids will ever need it.So it would only be for noobs... which are the least people that should be risking xp.Sorry, just completely unrealistic in eq2.In eq1 it would have fit in perfectly.EDIT- Not that idea isn't cool. I don't mean to bash it as such in itself. Just not realistic for this game.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Stealth Status on <span class=date_text>09-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:57 PM</span>

[KniteShayd]

<P>Its very realistic.  we aren't saying that it <EM>IS</EM> going to happen, just that it would be interesting to see if they did put it in.</P> <P>It would probably be a raid mob that would have it anyway...  If all had it, all the better reason to get a good group.</P> <P>Having interesting content is what is gonna keep people around.  This would be one thing. besides, no one is forcing you to fight mobs like that if they did have it in the game. </P> <P>Keep in mind the game is an RPG not a <EM>lets grind to the end and then cry cuz i'm bored</EM>.</P> <P>Also, keep in mind your posting in a LORE forum.  I'm sure most of us here don't mind taking the time immersing ourselves in our game world.</P> <P>see my sig? I been playing for over 2 years and am not even level 70 yet.  I like to get the most out of my game, so unlike grinders and straight raiders I enjoy the content.</P> <P>/sneer</P>

[Stealth Status]

Point taken.I know what you mean. I just , I just don't see it happening.I love the lore too, so it would be cool. I am just saying, well I guess I am the person who would rather be surprised then disapointed.<div></div>

[Waroa]

<DIV>As another factor I just have this weird premonition of a thousand raiders/xp'ers whining at the devs about their lost xp if that were to happen</DIV>

[Whazy]

In AD&D there was a spell the clerics could cast to negate most of the lost xp.   Maybe you can go to a soul mender after the raid and pray for your lost XP back. 

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Whazy wrote:<BR> In AD&D there was a spell the clerics could cast to negate most of the lost xp.   Maybe you can go to a soul mender after the raid and pray for your lost XP back. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats pretty much how EQlive works. you lose XP, you get a rez from a cleric and gain back 96% of what you lost.

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KniteShayd wrote: <P>see my sig? I been playing for over 2 years and am not even level 70 yet.  I like to get the most out of my game, so unlike grinders and straight raiders I enjoy the content.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>OMG offense taken!!!! :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>I'm a hardcore raider... without good raiding content, I get bored with MMOs and leave... this is what kept me stuck to EQ1 and now EQ2, good raiding. However, my FAVORITE part of an MMO is the lore and story behind it, and though I am a raider, I have alts spread all over the spectrum just so I can enjoy the lore and new quests and such that they add in live updates. Raiders can be lore freaks too :smileywink:</P>

[KniteShayd]

<DIV>/apologize</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I didn't mean to offend, just make a point of people who play/grind/raid just to show me <EM>your claymore is bigger than everyon elses </EM>and then complain cuz your at the end game and bored with a big claymore.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Obviously taking time to know your lore will except you from being a grumbling lvl 70 raider. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was trying to make a point that taking time and playing from a quasi-rpg perspective can make your experiance more fulfilling by letting the story of the games lore unfold before you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/blowkiss</DIV> <DIV>/wink</DIV>

[Vhalen]

<P>Long have I pondered the origins of Norrath's vampires, but it is not until the Age of Destiny that the light shines upon such shadowed secrets. Clues exist within the Age of Destiny that helps to uncover such mysteries as: "Who is Mayong Mistmoore?", "Where did all these vampires come from?", and "What's the difference between a D'Morte and a Mistmoore vampire?"</P> <P>The greatest clues to uncovering the vampire mysteries exist within a foreboding land that has not been accessible for ages. This land has been closed off to visitors for as long as I can recall and as long as ancient texts record. But yet, a secret society of hunters now reports that access to this land is now possible. In the past, not even the slyest agents of the empires were capable of entering and escaping this gloomy realm. Why is it more accessible now? Do we have a gracious host or ravenous beast to thank?</P> <P>The vampires of Norrath are indeed a mysterious lot, but we now sit on the verge of uncovering their secrets. It will take many lives to answer the greatest of these secrets, but they will be answered. In the words of a great friend of mine, "If we do not sacrifice now, then all of Norrath dies tomorrow."</P> <P> Till Yonder, as he would say.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Ah! But I can't leave without answering something... Their existence is granted by first life, but their dawn is bound to a place of little delight.</P>

[Rezikai]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>Ah! But I can't leave without answering something... Their existence is granted by first life, but their dawn is bound to a place of little delight.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>im really starting to hate all bards....  :smileytongue:<BR>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote:<BR> <P>Ah! But I can't leave without answering something... Their existence is granted by first life, but their dawn is bound to a place of little delight.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So they were all alive at one point, but had to experience death first before they could become vampires?

[Gungo]

There was vampires in the Luclin expansion of eq1 in twilight sea, even sseru was rumoured to be part vampire. The lady in ToFS, and there was a vampire in the dark elf city. What faction of vampire where they? And this place of no light sure does sounds like the dark moon.<p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:18 PM</span>

[BrownDogLongTong]

So they had to die first before becoming vampires. The place of little delight sounds like Ethernere. Somehow they were brought back from Ethernere and changed to vampires?<div></div>

[IrishWonder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vhalen wrote: <P><FONT color=#ff0000>The greatest clues to uncovering the vampire mysteries exist within a foreboding land that has not been accessible for ages.</FONT> This land has been closed off to visitors for as long as I can recall and as long as ancient texts record. But yet, <FONT color=#ff0000>a secret society of hunters now reports that access to this land is now possible.</FONT> In the past, not even the slyest agents of the empires were capable of entering and escaping this gloomy realm. Why is it more accessible now? Do we have a gracious host or ravenous beast to thank?<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The Freethinkers, and the Loping Plains.... ?

[DeviousPande]

<div><blockquote><hr>IrishWonder wrote:<div></div> The Freethinkers, and the Loping Plains.... ?<hr></blockquote>Yeah, I believe so..Since they have been called vampire hunters(among other things) many many times now..And I think someone said they formed together near Mistmoore(Looping Plains?), and seeing whats going on there right now...</div>

[RaphaNissi]

<div><blockquote><hr>DeviousPandera wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>IrishWonder wrote:<div></div> The Freethinkers, and the Loping Plains.... ?<hr></blockquote>Yeah, I believe so..Since they have been called vampire hunters(among other things) many many times now..And I think someone said they formed together near Mistmoore(Looping Plains?), and seeing whats going on there right now...</div><hr></blockquote>They do talk about the Loping Planes and how they fought the lord of the castle and his minions.  Annia talks about how they left their mark on the Loping Planes, and Kalagari talks about how the master of the Loping Plains is not as susceptible to the mark of the Freethinkers as his minions are.</div>

[PinkBi]

<DIV>I think that probably the vampires in EQlive and EQ2 are probably one of the most interesting characters. But that's just because even in our own mythology I find vampires very interesting anyways...</DIV>

[Zabjade]

<font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Speaking of which, they need to do something about the Bloodlines Vampire Bane attacks. They need to level with the person much like the other  Adventure pack attacks. that will help with Castle Mistmore and the Lopping Plains. </font></font></font><div></div>