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SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 02:58 AM
<DIV>I was reading the post from Hukklebuk regarding Zebs words and noticed something strange</DIV> <DIV>------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV>reference : <A href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=zebuxoruk" target=_blank><FONT color=#c8c1b5>here</FONT></A> <BR><BR><BR>Paragraph 4:<BR><BR>However, this was not all that transpired. For I beheld the fabric of time that all beings travel upon unfurled before me as a scroll of exquisite parchment. And I beheld that the parchment neatly tore in twain at that moment of the Matron's command, but not as two parts of a whole but as two wholes of the same whole each containing the same words and symbols and they continued on as before, completely unaware of one another. I<STRONG> then watched as one of the parchments curled upon itself for the space of time appointed by the Matron of the Art so that the parchment did not continue forward for the space of several hours before once again continuing on before me.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV>--------------------------------------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now I asked in the other thread but figured I should make it its own thread since..well....the question I had wasn't germaine to Hukklebuk's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>which of course is....Why when the universe was split was it necessary to pause one temporarily?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any help or theories would be appreciated...:smileyhappy:</DIV>

Cusashorn
08-05-2006, 03:03 AM
<DIV>Is it really that important to know?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not really our place to know why. I mean it's not like knowing why would actually change anything, would it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only a dev response would be able to clear this up, in my oppinion, but I wouldn't expect a spoiler answer.</DIV>

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:08 AM
<DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Is it really that important to know?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not really our place to know why. I mean it's not like knowing why would actually change anything, would it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only a dev response would be able to clear this up, in my oppinion, but I wouldn't expect a spoiler answer.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sigh..why does one climb a mountain Cusashorn...because it is there.......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a mystery and I like trying to solve mysteries.......and not all knowledge is read in a book....who knows maybe we can all put our heads together...come up with a reason and one day we will find out we were right....it would be nice to see what we could come up with regardless</DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by SharpeRifle on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:09 PM</span>

Renita_Serafim
08-05-2006, 03:08 AM
<DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it once.</DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it twice.</DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it three times.</DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it four times and said it again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Captain Katheryne Janeway of the U.S.S. Voyager once said:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>"My advice on trying to figure out how space-time paradoxes work: </FONT><FONT size=5>DONT!</FONT><FONT size=4>"</FONT></DIV></DIV>

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:16 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Astralmage wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it once.</DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it twice.</DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it three times.</DIV> <DIV>Cusashorn said it four times and said it again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Captain Katheryne Janeway of the U.S.S. Voyager once said:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>"My advice on trying to figure out how space-time paradoxes work: </FONT><FONT size=5>DONT!</FONT><FONT size=4>"</FONT></DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>paradoxOne entry found for <B>paradox</B>. <P>Main Entry: <B>par·a·dox</B> <A href="" target=_blank><IMG height=11 src="http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif" width=16 border=0></A><BR>Pronunciation: 'per-&-"däks, 'pa-r&-<BR>Function: <I>noun</I><BR>Etymology: Latin <I>paradoxum,</I> from Greek <I>paradoxon,</I> from neuter of <I>paradoxos</I> contrary to expectation, from <I>para-</I> + <I>dokein</I> to think, seem -- more at <A href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/decent" target=_blank><FONT size=-1>DECENT</FONT></A><BR><B>1</B> <B>:</B> a tenet contrary to received opinion<BR><B>2 a</B> <B>:</B> a statement that is seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is perhaps true <B>b</B> <B>:</B> a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true <B>c</B> <B>:</B> an argument that apparently derives self-contradictory conclusions by valid deduction from acceptable premises<BR><B>3</B> <B>:</B> one (as a person, situation, or action) having seemingly contradictory qualities or phases</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>So which one of those definitions does my question fall under?...please as I pointed out on the other thread...I have yet to be presented a paradox....(or a pair a geese for that matter)</P>

Cusashorn
08-05-2006, 03:16 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SharpeRifle wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Is it really that important to know?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not really our place to know why. I mean it's not like knowing why would actually change anything, would it?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only a dev response would be able to clear this up, in my oppinion, but I wouldn't expect a spoiler answer.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sigh..why does one climb a mountain Cusashorn...because it is there.......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is a mystery and I like trying to solve mysteries.......and not all knowledge is read in a book....who knows maybe we can all put our heads together...come up with a reason and one day we will find out we were right....it would be nice to see what we could come up with regardless</DIV></DIV> <P>Message Edited by SharpeRifle on <SPAN class=date_text>08-04-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:09 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes, but what you're asking is something that isn't ment to be given away and revealed at this point in the game. Maybe a few years down the line after the gods start giving us secrets and knowledge again or something, but for now I only see a minor detail that isn't ment to be speculated upon.

Miranni
08-05-2006, 03:22 AM
I would say those "several hours" are the hours of time you were actually in the Plane of Time. Time is in fact "paused" there. Well, perhaps not paused, but not exactly on track with everything else <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> At the end of which the "parchment" loops around, sending you back to the moment before you entered PoT, and time continues on as it would have. <div></div>

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:25 AM
<P>Yes but I'm not asking a dev to post or reveal the true meaning of theis "minor detail"....I'm asking the community to speculate upon it....and if we are gazing upon things we were not meant to know surely the gods will smite me for it......but you are not a god Cusa....at least the last time I checked.</P> <P>Seriously though...this may be somewhat akin to speculating upon the nature of heaven....or the number of angels that may dance on the head of a pin...but if no one is interested in discussing it....this thread will die...and as I said...if we are not to even speculate upon it....the devs will certainly let us know...because I'm sure it can.."disappear" very fast....accidents happen all the time..lol</P>

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:32 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Leniana wrote:<BR>I would say those "several hours" are the hours of time you were actually in the Plane of Time. Time is in fact "paused" there. Well, perhaps not paused, but not exactly on track with everything else <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> At the end of which the "parchment" loops around, sending you back to the moment before you entered PoT, and time continues on as it would have. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>oooo...interesting....but it states that they continue on before curling for the pause...which would imply some movement that could invalidate your theory since you would be reentering after you entered still....still...not necessarily wrong...just something loose in there

Cusashorn
08-05-2006, 03:36 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SharpeRifle wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Leniana wrote:<BR>I would say those "several hours" are the hours of time you were actually in the Plane of Time. Time is in fact "paused" there. Well, perhaps not paused, but not exactly on track with everything else <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> At the end of which the "parchment" loops around, sending you back to the moment before you entered PoT, and time continues on as it would have. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>oooo...interesting....but it states that they continue on before curling for the pause...which would imply some movement that could invalidate your theory since you would be reentering after you entered still....still...not necessarily wrong...just something loose in there<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>actually I agree with you here. That does make sense... or at least whatever sense we can make out of the whole thing anyway.

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:42 AM
Ahh...found the loose bit that was bugging me...the passage is by Zeb....and he continues after that point so its unlikely he was deposited back before he entered...might still refer to the adventurers though..

Mirander_1
08-05-2006, 03:45 AM
It doesn't sound like it's saying that time was paused, I think it's just saying that Druzzil made time bend back a couple hours

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:47 AM
<P>oh hell....I think I found the answer in there actually...or at least a clue to it....</P> <P> </P> <P><FONT color=#6633ff>And the space of time between them was the very same number of hours that was the appointed time of the Matron.</FONT></P> <P>its reffering to the "distance" between the parchments here.....so its implying that the wait was to give one time to change from the other perhaps?</P> <P><FONT color=#6633ff></FONT> </P> <P><FONT color=#6633ff></FONT> </P>

ganng
08-05-2006, 03:52 AM
<P>enjoy the 101</P> <P><A href="http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html" target=_blank>http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html</A></P>

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:52 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mirander wrote:<BR>It doesn't sound like it's saying that time was paused, I think it's just saying that Druzzil made time bend back a couple hours<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Oh heck...now THAT invites paradox....cause it implies a time loop....I cheerfully follow Janeway's advice Cusashorn I will not contemplate that....:smileywink:</P>

SharpeRif
08-05-2006, 03:56 AM
<P>Ahhh..I see your saying Druzzil did it to change the intial starting conditions of that timeline thus insuring a different sequence of events....because though the pause might be a small change it would still cause permutations to the end result.....nice....I never really had paid attention to chaos theory before thanks....sounds like a good answer to me....:smileyhappy:</P> <P> </P> <P>read ganng's link to understand</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by SharpeRifle on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:57 PM</span>

firemonkey5
08-05-2006, 04:25 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ganng wrote:<BR> <P>enjoy the 101</P> <P><A href="http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html" target=_blank>http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html</A></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Head hurt pain.

Mary the Prophetess
08-05-2006, 08:17 AM
<P>The thing that impresses me, (OOC-wise), is that it shows the attention to detail that the lore author possesed when writing the script.</P> <P>Additionally, (OOC-wise), that 'pause' is a nifty little author's tool that could be used at some future date to make any changes or additions that they may wish to make.</P> <P>It's obvious that the whole time split was done to allow the two games to develop independantly from each other, and there had to be some device used to allow that to happen.</P> <P>I've never really been comfortable with it, as it always seemed too contrived, but on the other hand I can't think of any other way to achieve the necessary independance for the two games.</P> <P>That pause could be a real Pandora's Box in the future if the developers ever chose to do so.  There's no telling what could have happened during that lost time (basically, anything and everything)</P><p>Message Edited by Mary the Prophetess on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:17 PM</span>