View Full Version : Here's looking at you kid (a question on eyes)

07-31-2006, 03:34 AM
<DIV>Ok so we pretty much know the lore on evil eyes for the most part.  But the one thing I've been recently wondering about is the Beholders (Aborations? I think they are called)</DIV> <DIV>Are they related to the Evil Eyes?  Why are they hanging around with Lord V so much?  Where did they come from?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

07-31-2006, 05:34 AM
<DIV>Beholders and Gazers are a fairly new creature to Everquest. They didn't first get introduced untill the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion pack with the Deepest Guk area.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd like to know where these things came from as well. There is the KoS book "Aversion" that talks about the Isle of Aversion and the gazers that inhabit it, but it doesn't talk much about what they are or where they came from.</DIV>

07-31-2006, 06:23 AM
There is a zone in eqlive called <a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=37" target=_blank>Beholders Maze (Gorge of King Xorbb) .</a>This zone has quite a few evil eyes in it and was connected to Runnyeye.  Maybe some connection?<a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/zone.html?zstrat=37" target=_blank></a><div></div>

07-31-2006, 07:03 AM
<DIV>Nah. the Evil Eyes have always been just what they look like now (minus he tendrils dragging behind). The Gazers are quite different.</DIV>

07-31-2006, 07:24 AM
I know.  I spent many many hours in the zone <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I was refering to the fact that it's called Beholder's Maze.  Even though the models are different, maybe there is a relationship between the EE's and Beholder's and Gazers as the OP is suggesting/asking about.<div></div>

07-31-2006, 07:46 AM
<P>Ya there is actually now 3 different sets of eyes which makes it confusing.</P> <P>EQ1 Evil Eyes: Giant eyes not much else to them</P> <P>EQ1 Gazers:  Eyes with thingies behind them, eyelid looks like a tooted maw</P> <P>EQ2 Evil Eyes: Greatly resemble EQ1 Gazers</P> <P>EQ2 Beholders/Aborations (I think beholder was removed from their name as possible copyright infringement):  These are what look a lot closer to the classical D&D Beholders, actually one of the sub breeds as they dont have 10 eyestalks.</P> <P>While this is a gross assumption I have put EQ1 Gazers, Evil Eyes, and EQ2 Evil Eyes into the same catergory.  I figure they are all the same creature just that they got a new look in LDoN.  What I know mostly about them is fragmented.  Mostly what they are up to.  Rulling runnyeye, meeting of the minds, etc.</P> <P>But now what I will refer to as beholders, this seems to be an entirely new creature as they use both models on the same isle in KoS which leads me to believe its not just an updated look for the creature.  When I first saw them I hoped desperately that there would be a L&L book for them.  Or some series that would go into what are they and where do they come from.  This doesn't seem to be happening.  My second thought was that some of the lore of bonemire is that creatures that have been developed by various scientists/magicians are running loose.  I wondered if they could be an off shoot of those experiments but I am thinking thats more of the three legged tentacled beast and not them.(othyg or whatever from D&D)  However, it would explain why the beholders like hanging around Lord V.</P> <P>Mostly Im stumped on this one.  I'm hoping someone else out there knowns more about them.</P>

08-01-2006, 11:45 PM
<P>In D&D, the beholders were magical creatures.  the body is comprised of on large eye, then there are numerous 'eye stalks' with one eye on the end of each stalk. </P> <P>each little stalk eye has a magical ability that can be projected out of that eye (light beams, lightning, fire blasts, cold beams, poison beams...). </P> <P>The center eye has a magic dispelling beam that could dispell any and all magic. </P> <P>The main tactic for fighting a beholder would be to target the center eye so they could be targeted by magic attacks. then usually the mini eyes could be handled by those skilled at adventuring and fighting.</P> <P>Beholders were also much like coercers, in that they could charm creatures to do thier bidding.  they were sentient creatures, able to speak in languages and were about as smart as most races.</P> <P>obviously this was a creature taken from that fantasy line and put in here, a cool move as it addds more flavor in the way of variety of mobs.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>as far as Norrath lore goes, i have no idea where they came from or why they exist.</P>

08-02-2006, 02:22 AM
Yeah I've been curious about this too.  You'd think that Beholders would be related to or in some way descended from Evil Eyes, since Evil Eyes once inhabited Beholder's Maze

08-02-2006, 03:24 AM
<DIV>I don't think technically there are any "beholders" I could be mistaken.  I think the new eyeballs were going to be named such, but were changed towards the release of KoS.  I think the same applies to EQ1.  Evil Eyes are hardly an area where copywrite infringment could be a concern but naming an eye type mob a beholder... well that would be stepping on TSR/WoTC toes.</DIV> <DIV>But all this real world fun stuff still leaves open the question in game... what are these mobs, where are they from, what are they doing?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>