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MoD1133
03-29-2005, 04:44 AM
<DIV><SPAN class=time_text>The parents of kerafyrm are nagafen and vox and also dozeker the cursed can also be a parent of kerafyrm but the truth is that vox and nagafen are the parents of the sleeper because if you go to skyshrine and talk to some blue dragon i forgot what his name was but i remember him being blue he tells of the sleeper and how he was born. But if you go to the western wastes there are many dragons that speak of dozeker the cursed being the father of the sleeper but that mother was never mentioned. </SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by MoD1133 on <span class=date_text>03-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:21 PM</span>

MoD1133
03-29-2005, 05:15 AM
<DIV>The truth of trakanon is that he was a dragon who hated the iksar to death and was willing to do anything to destroy the sebelisian empire and he did. Trakanon was a greatly respected dragon in the ring of scale and was known to be a very powerful one as well. He was told by Jaled Dar(at that time the great leader of the Ring of Scale) to not mess around with the Iksar but trakanon differed and secretly started to put hate into the hearts of some of the young dragons and convinced them to ride out with him to war with the iksar. Trakanon did just that and was poisoned and from a blue dragon he became green. He still to this day probably rests in the old city of sebilis with the hate of Iksars but who knows what might have happened to him in the cataclysms. </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by MoD1133 on <span class=date_text>03-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:32 PM</span>

Cusashorn
03-29-2005, 07:20 AM
<DIV>I just lost 20 points of intellegence by clicking on this topic.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tell me. How can Vox and Naggy be Kerafyrm's parents if Nagafen sends you on a quest to RETRIEVE THE UN-HATCHED EGG HE AND VOX GAVE BIRTH TO?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>03-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:22 PM</span>

MoD1133
03-29-2005, 08:20 AM
I said that dozeker the cursed can also be the parent of kerafyrm, hes that dragon whos in the temple of veeshans dark halls and is punished eternally for breaking a big rule of the dragons but its kind of clouded what the dragons were saying in the western wastes because they only talk in one sentence. also Ayyillish speaks about dozeker. But ok i didnt do that quest for nagafen to retreat the egg that he and lady vox made, I was only talking out of my eq1 experience which most of it is a fact some things are a bit cloudy because like i said the dragons dont explain too much on this matter except for a few in skyshrine and they just speak about kerafyrm and kildrukaun the ancient having a big plan of destroying all life on norrath except the dragons. So this would explain that dozeker is probably the father of kerafyrm and because of this he was not allowed to leave the temple.

Cusashorn
03-29-2005, 10:15 AM
<DIV>... so why post this if you don't reference the lore with sources to confirm what you know?</DIV>

Jewishman
03-29-2005, 10:57 PM
<DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33>Tell me. How can Vox and Naggy be Kerafyrm's parents if Nagafen sends you on a quest to RETRIEVE THE UN-HATCHED EGG HE AND VOX GAVE BIRTH TO?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>The "un-hatched" egg in question from eq2 is actually one of many hundreds (thousands?) of dragon eggs that Vox laid in the past--Naggy says so at any rate.  At the end of the Deception quest, the egg shatters.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Jewishman on <span class=date_text>03-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:01 AM</span>

Cusashorn
03-30-2005, 05:51 AM
<DIV>Thanks for the spoiler.</DIV>

MoD1133
03-30-2005, 05:59 AM
I did post this with some refernces like some of the dragons in the western wastes and skyshrine who spoke about kerafyrm. One of them being Harla Dar after you do 2 quests with her and gain her personal respect. There were many others who said that kerafyrm was a creation of two dragons of defferent elements and the elements were never said but i can tell you this that one of them was thunder because dozeker the cursed was a thunder elemental dragon and yes there were more elements then fire and ice. Many dragons spoke about kerafyrm but not a single one of them said who his parents were but the closest clue was that dozekar is his father. Also nagafen and vox probably did mate and then later on maybe nagafen confessed his love infront of the ring of scale to lady vox so maybe kerafyrm is there child how can you say he's not. And if your going to say that how can he be born when nagafen and vox werent around to make the egg hatch then your answer is that the parents are not needed for an egg to hatch when harla dar is around because she took care of the breeding grounds in the western wastes from intruders and also helped eggs hatch.

Cusashorn
03-30-2005, 06:30 AM
<DIV>using references means posting links to support your findings.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>case in point:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2431" target=_blank>http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=2431</A></DIV>

MoD1133
03-30-2005, 08:44 AM
Yes this guy that you linked is one of the dragons in skyshrine that talks about kerafyrm.But no where in eq1 does it say who the parents of kerafyrm are. All it says is that they were punished and the only dragon that i know is punished badly has to be dozekar the cursed. Nagafen and vox are just probably sent away because the dragons were afraid that another prismatic dragon will be born just like kerafyrm.Nagafen and vox were imprisoned far apart from each other so they cant mate. Now dozekar was punished and also imprisoned in the dark halls of temple of veeshan. He also holds no faction meaning he hates all dragons probably because they did something bad to him.Each dragon belongs to some sort of faction even Woushi was with Tunare and protected her fairie children.This guy when you kill him has no faction.

Cusashorn
03-30-2005, 08:57 AM
<DIV>Well he has no faction because he's suppose to be killed and it wouldn't help the players any to kill him for quest items in another section of the temple only to find that killing him makes them KOS to those NPC's who have the quests that require those items he drops.</DIV>

Trebla
03-31-2005, 02:15 AM
<DIV>Here's what EverQuest Atlas: The Maps of Myrist has to say about Nagafen:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Cast out of the Ring of Scale for reasons that still remain unclear, the red dragon Lord Nagafen has resided for centuries in the fiery depths beneath the LavaStorm Mountains..."<BR></DIV> <DIV>Kerafyrm was born to the Claws of Veeshan at some point well beyond the Civil War which split dragonkind into two factions (the Claws of Veeshan and the Ring of Scale).  Given that Vox also gives Ring of Scale faction hits when killed (we're talking EQ1 here), it is a safe assumption that she was also a member of the Ring of Scale.  Since they were not present as members of the Claws of Veeshan at any time leading up to the birth of the Sleeper, it can be safely assumed that neither of them can possibly be parents of Kerafyrm.</DIV>

MoD1133
03-31-2005, 03:53 AM
Everquest atlas is very old and after that many new things were added to the game.It was clear in the game vox and nagafen were definately kicked out because they were feared they would create a new prismatic dragon. And Curashorn if dozekar was factionized with either the ring of scale, lord yelinak, or claws of veeshan then then you can kill him if you had bad faction with his faction of dragons and had good faction with the opposite faction of dragons then you can careless about him dieing because if you had good faction with the claws of veeshan then you definately had bad faction with the ring of scale.

MoD1133
03-31-2005, 04:09 AM
TreblaBB your right vox and nagafen can not be his parents because its most likely dozeker also because he holds no faction.

MoD1133
03-31-2005, 08:30 AM
<DIV> <DIV>Actually TreblaBB when you killed lady vox and lord nagafen you actually raised your faction with the ring of scale so they were not faction hits. The ring of scale hated vox and nagafen so they were not faction hits when you killed them, they actually raised your faction towards the ring of scale each time you killed them.</DIV></DIV>

Trebla
03-31-2005, 07:30 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MoD1133 wrote:<BR>Everquest atlas is very old and after that many new things were added to the game.It was clear in the game vox and nagafen were definately kicked out because they were feared they would create a new prismatic dragon. And Curashorn if dozekar was factionized with either the ring of scale, lord yelinak, or claws of veeshan then then you can kill him if you had bad faction with his faction of dragons and had good faction with the opposite faction of dragons then you can careless about him dieing because if you had good faction with the claws of veeshan then you definately had bad faction with the ring of scale. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The Atlas isn't <STRONG>that</STRONG> old.  It came out during the Planes of Power era (long after the sleeper had been awoken and fled).  Yes, many new things were added, but none of them related to the Sleeper and the only thing tied to the Ring of Scale was the Veeshan's Peak revamp.  (Unless there's been something new with Dragons of Norrath, that's possible).</P> <P>I hate to get into an argument, but your last line is way off base.  Ring of Scale and Claws of Veeshan faction weren't tied together at all.  You raised CoV faction by killing giants in Kael, you raised RoS faction (primarily) by killing in Mistmoore (also by killing the League of Antonican Bards).  Getting a positive hit to one faction did not give you a negative to the other faction.</P> <DIV>You're right about the positive faction hits from Nag/Vox.  I remembered that wrong.</DIV>

MoD1133
04-01-2005, 03:31 AM
<DIV>Yes but each time i killed Lord Yelinak with a few people on the firiona vie server of course we got bad faction with claws of veeshan and the faction of lord yelinak himself and his army of dragons but we also got good faction with the ring of scale.But they do hate each other because the first brood of dragons were lord yelinak, jaled dar, zlandicar,klandicar, hsgra, and a few others which i can't recall but for a short time they were led by Lord Yelinak and later on the faction broke up into the ring of scale, which of course you know was led by jaled dar and Lord yelinak hated him for that. One more of the first brood(zlandicar) was hated by the rest of the dragons and you got good faction with the claws of veeshan for killing him. In some lore according to some dragons he started to go mad and started to bite on his scales and ate the drakelings and dragon eggs protected by Harla Dar in the breeding grounds and even started to kill some dragons so he was put away all by himself in Dragon Necropolis.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But i have one question.....</DIV> <DIV>Why did Lord Yelinak change the color of his scales each time he respawned?  </DIV>