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Maddogg218
03-06-2005, 08:33 AM
Now I doubt many will know who he is, but Shadowknights, Necromancers, most other evil base classes in EQOA(Everquest Online Adventures, PS2 Everquest) had to fight him for their epic weapon. Lord Chardith from what I know, was some real powerful monster/thing capable of taking over Norrath, as a Necromancer I was sent out to "take control" of him and make him my pet, unfortunetly he proved too powerful and he had to be killed.Has Lord Chardith appeared at all in EQLive or perhaps even EQ2 or was his reign of terror present only 1000 years ago?

troodon311
03-06-2005, 01:31 PM
<DIV>No.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hopefully he never will, seeing as EQOA never happened.  It was all a bad dream, forget all of it :smileytongue:</DIV>

Mordock of the Highwynd
03-07-2005, 04:17 AM
EQOA did happen and anyone who says it didn't happen as far as lore goes has no idea how lore is done. What is it with you EQlive people. It's like you guys think that EQlive is the ONLY lore and anything else is not true at all.

troodon311
03-07-2005, 04:30 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> <P></P> <P>Mordock of the Highwynd wrote:<BR>EQOA did happen <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm sorry, I disagree... in a way.  Some of the stuff from EQOA may have happened, but the vast majority I write off <EM><U>quicker</U></EM> than I do the old Beta lore.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> <HR> and anyone who says it didn't happen as far as lore goes has no idea how lore is done. <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>O great one, please explain to us lowlives how lore is done.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> <HR> What is it with you EQlive people. It's like you guys think that EQlive is the ONLY lore and anything else is not true at all. <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Everquest.  What was the original Everquest?  You know, that game that Brad McQuaid and his Verant team developed.  Was that EQOA or EQ1?  Hmmm, I'm not sure.  Let me think about it................................................ ..............................................  Nope, I'm positive, it was EQ1.  And EQ2?  Yeah, that's the sequel to EQ1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQOA "doesn't count".  It's a silly game Sony put out to make some more cash on the franchise; like LoE.  Think of it like Star Wars:  The movies are canon, whereas the extended universe is a cute little world that may or may not have happened.  There's no big deal in thinking that some of the EU stories happened, but when the two conflict, the movies take precedent.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In this situation, in my opinion, the entire concept of EQOA conflicts with the canon of EQ1, with it having all races living on Tunaria at all, let alone a mere 500 years in the past.</DIV><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:14 PM</span>

Maddogg218
03-07-2005, 05:09 AM
EQOA happened, you're not some all knowing lorekeeper of SoE, when someone from SoE comes here and tells me it didnt happen then I will consider it non-true.

troodon311
03-07-2005, 05:22 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> Maddogg218 wrote: <P></P> <P>you're not some all knowing lorekeeper of SoE <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Phew.  Good thing I never claimed to be, that sure would have been embarrassing!</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> <HR> when someone from SoE comes here and tells me it didnt happen then I will consider it non-true.<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>C'mon.  They'd never even say that LoE isn't true, let alone the slightly-more-believable EQOA</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tell you what, point to me a single source in EQ1 or EQ2 that talks about enormous, widespread Lycanthropy ( ::rolls eyes:: ) in the past and I'll reconsider my position.</DIV>

Maddogg218
03-07-2005, 05:27 AM
http://everquestonlineadventures.station.sony.com/lore_4.jspAlso, dont beat around the bush by saying you never claimed to be anything. You came in here and said straight forward "EQOA didnt happen", stating your opinion as fact.<p>Message Edited by Maddogg218 on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:30 PM</span>

troodon311
03-07-2005, 05:29 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maddogg218 wrote:<BR>http://everquestonlineadventures.station.sony.com/lore_4.jsp<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah.... because that's EQ1 or EQ2.....<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That was where the question comes from!   EQOA has players all over the place with lycanthropy... you'd think someone would remember that!</DIV>

Maddogg218
03-07-2005, 05:33 AM
It's been 1000 years, obviously something that didnt last long 1000 years ago isnt going to be something well known, and I know EQlive has some lore on Wegadas somewhere.

troodon311
03-07-2005, 05:44 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> Maddogg218 wrote: <P></P> <P>Also, dont beat around the bush by saying you never claimed to be anything. You came in here and said straight forward "EQOA didnt happen", stating your opinion as fact. <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P align=left>Hey, is my name in big red letters?  No?  Then that means that anything I say on lore could be wrong because some big guy in red could go ahead and <EM>make</EM> me wrong. <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>  <P> <HR> It's been 1000 years, obviously something that didnt last long 1000 years ago isnt going to be something well known <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No, it would be known.  Aside from the fact that some of the races live many hundreds of years (meaning some of these were-elves would have been around in EQ1... I never saw any), we aren't talking about backwards medeival cultures here.  Several of the races have very advanced cultures with **shock** writing!  You know what people do in those cultures?  They write stuff down.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> <HR> and I know EQlive has some lore on Wegadas somewhere.<BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>He's mentioned in a PoK book on the Unkempt Wood (read it here: <A href="http://www.eqdruids.com/reference/lore_norrath/unkempt/unkempt1.htm" target=_blank>http://www.eqdruids.com/reference/lore_norrath/unkempt/unkempt1.htm</A>).</P> <P>It mentions "ursine behemoths" and "wolf-like creatures"... nothing about lycanthropy.</P> <P>The expansion this story comes from was released in October 2002... I think that predates the lycanthropy stuff from EQOA, doesn't it?</P><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class=date_text>03-06-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:45 PM</span>

Seadane-
03-08-2005, 12:17 AM
<DIV>Troodon311, there is mention of widespread lycanthropy in EQ1, perhaps you never visited North Karana and spoken to the werewolve hunters in that zone? Not to mention the Drolvargs of Kunark all being werewolves as well, you can confirm that by doing a few of the quests in firiona vie. Plus there is the quest from the temple of life in north qeynos to cure the man in west karana from lycanthropy, if you make it in time you receive a nice reward for a low level character, if you do not you have to face the werewolf your patient becomes.</DIV>

Aion
03-08-2005, 12:54 AM
<blockquote><hr>Seadane-fv wrote:<DIV>Troodon311, there is mention of widespread lycanthropy in EQ1, perhaps you never visited North Karana and spoken to the werewolve hunters in that zone? Not to mention the Drolvargs of Kunark all being werewolves as well, you can confirm that by doing a few of the quests in firiona vie. Plus there is the quest from the temple of life in north qeynos to cure the man in west karana from lycanthropy, if you make it in time you receive a nice reward for a low level character, if you do not you have to face the werewolf your patient becomes.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Ya.. i remeber that... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> tis true.I'm not sure how 'wide-spread' the whole problem was (just this person, or not) but I do remember that quest.

Maddogg218
03-08-2005, 01:11 AM
Not to mention with Werehunters in EQOA I assume between EQOA and EQLive most of the were-beasts get hunted to a more normal level.

Mordock of the Highwynd
03-08-2005, 01:35 AM
They must have done a good job eliminating the weres, because everyone and his grandma is infected right now on EQOA.

troodon311
03-08-2005, 04:09 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Seadane-fv wrote:<BR> <DIV>Troodon311, there is mention of widespread lycanthropy in EQ1, perhaps you never visited North Karana and spoken to the werewolve hunters in that zone? Not to mention the Drolvargs of Kunark all being werewolves as well, you can confirm that by doing a few of the quests in firiona vie. Plus there is the quest from the temple of life in north qeynos to cure the man in west karana from lycanthropy, if you make it in time you receive a nice reward for a low level character, if you do not you have to face the werewolf your patient becomes.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I said widespread lycanthropy in the past; the rare occurances of lycanthropy in EQ1 do not satisfy that.  Like the above poster said, everyone's a freaking were-something in EQOA but suddenly all the Elves who lived through that seemed to have forgotten.</P> <P>Heck, what am I saying?  Why dont' any elves in EQ1 remember Fayspires and living on Antonica.  That game is BS and I think the majority of people who didn't play it would agree with me.</P> <P>I'll look into the Drolvarg quests... but for somereason I doubt they're going to mention anyting about Wegadas and the Unkempt Wood.</P><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class=date_text>03-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:10 PM</span>

Mordock of the Highwynd
03-08-2005, 06:01 PM
<DIV>You seem to forget that the elves' maximum age is 700.  Their average age is around 200-300 years.</DIV>

troodon311
03-08-2005, 11:34 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mordock of the Highwynd wrote:<BR> <DIV>You seem to forget that the elves' maximum age is 700.  Their average age is around 200-300 years.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh jeeze, you're right!  Nobody ever lives past the average lifespan!  How could I be so stupid?  And not only do humans forget all history past a single generation but, as we all know, Elves never teach their children anything, so that's the obvious reason why EQ1 Elves haven't got a friggen clue they came from Antonica so recently.</P> <P>Here is some more evidence falsifying EQOA:</P> <P>The Creation Story (<A href="http://www.allakhazam.com/lore/History_General.html" target=_blank>http://www.allakhazam.com/lore/History_General.html</A>) says, "Slowly the forest gave way to desert, and eventually even great Takish-Hiz crumbled and the elves were forced to flee Tunaria, leaving much of their greatness behind. Thus began the Lost Age."  What does this imply?  'Flee' means "To move swifly; to leave abruptly".  If EQOA is to be believed, the Elves did not 'flee', they 'stuck around for a while then got sorta bored and decided to bail'.  And before you say "well, swiftly can be a relative term", look at this:  Not only the creation of humans but the resulting rise of the Combine Empire occured during the Lost Age; AFTER the fall of Takish'Hiz.  That would mean that the Elves stayed on Tunaria for more than an age before leaving, and I am not going to sit here and just accept that.</P> <P>It says about the Combine Empire: "their relics and ruins still litter the lands from Odus to Faydwer".  So, if we are going to believe the ridiculous claim of EQOA that all the races once existed on Tunaria it must have been the Combine Empire that Rile Sathir attempted to invade on Faydwer.  The Battle of Timorous Deep (where the fleet was destroyed by the Ring of Scale) occured in 406 A.G. and while I do not know what year EQ1 takes place in (maybe someone can help me out there) the Greenmist, the <EM>ancient, </EM>unholy, and lost blade of the Iksar was forged in the year 1406.... because tomes on this weapon can be found in the libraries of Chardok (the capital of the Sarnak) it can be assumed that EQ1 takes place quite some time after this.</P> <P>But regardless, this demonstrates conclusively that the Iksar armada was on their way to invade Faydwer more than 1000 years before EQ1.  This means (even if we believe the false tale of all races living on Tunaria) that the Takish'Hiz was abandoned more than 500 years prior to EQOA.  Does EQOA support that?  And would you define anything occuring over a period of more than 500 years as "swift" or "abrupt"?</P>

Aion
03-08-2005, 11:54 PM
EQ1 year should be set at around 3220 - 3250, currently.

Seadane-
03-08-2005, 11:57 PM
<DIV>First, I would suggest not using the lore from <A href="http://www.allakhazam" target=_blank>www.allakhazam</A>. com . They are great at looking up quests and such, but I would rather trust the lore at the official site which you can reach by using the link above, under games, drop down menu everquest. If you have read any of the lore that came with the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion for everquest you will see that although elves did start leaving Tunaria for faydwer, a good portion of them remained behind in an attempt to save the city, and it's surrounding forest. I do not think it would be hard to imagine an outpost built that would relay elves, and supplies back and forth between the evacuation and the attemp to save Takish'Hiz. As to how the timeline between the iksars A.G. scale and the Norrathian calender relate, I have no idea, so it's still possible. We're not even sure that the elves only began populating faydwer after Takish'Hiz began to fall, It's possible that they had already sent couriers outward. And from what I've been told from those who play EQOA, I do not since I didn't like it at all, is that the royal family by then is already on faydwer, only those still trying to save Takish'Hiz have remained behind. </DIV>

Maddogg218
03-08-2005, 11:59 PM
Walking around the fallen Takish'Hiz is awesome

troodon311
03-09-2005, 12:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P></P> <HR> Aion wrote: <P>EQ1 year should be set at around 3220 - 3250, currently.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Where do you get that date?  It sounds about right but I like having sources :smileyhappy:</P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> Seadane-fv wrote: <P>First, I would suggest not using the lore from <A href="http://www.allakhazam/" target=_blank>www.allakhazam</A>. com . They are great at looking up quests and such, but I would rather trust the lore at the official site which you can reach by using the link above, under games, drop down menu everquest.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The Creation Story and the Iksar lore on the site are legit.  I've read the Iksar books ingame and the Creation Story not only agrees with the old intro movie but has yet to be contradicted in EQ1. I agree on all the rest of the lore they have.</P> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>If you have read any of the lore that came with the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion for everquest you will see that although elves did start leaving Tunaria for faydwer, a good portion of them remained behind in an attempt to save the city, and it's surrounding forest. I do not think it would be hard to imagine an outpost built that would relay elves, and supplies back and forth between the evacuation and the attemp to save Takish'Hiz. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I just read all of the LDoN lore on Takish'Hiz; it does not mention Elves staying behind, only the sand elves trapped under the desert sands in the ruins of Takish'Hiz.  It was the Sand Elves who tried to reclaim Takish'Hiz.  Here, read it:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Well, as the elves of the Elddar Forest fled to Faydwer, some that were trapped under the sands within the city of Takish-Hiz continued their efforts to prevent the sand from completely taking over the city. There were many of them and they were completely unaware that the city was abandoned and expended all of their energy trying to rebuild the city and free themselves. It is the hour for me to meditate friend, but I would be pleased if you returned to hear more."<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> Regardless, is what you described what is described in EQOA?  From what I understand very few elves have migrated by the time the game is set in. </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> As to how the timeline between the iksars A.G. scale and the Norrathian calender relate, I have no idea, so it's still possible. We're not even sure that the elves only began populating faydwer after Takish'Hiz began to fall, It's possible that they had already sent couriers outward. And from what I've been told from those who play EQOA, I do not since I didn't like it at all, is that the royal family by then is already on faydwer, only those still trying to save Takish'Hiz have remained behind.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>For more than 500 years?  A couple of thousand if that date given above is correct.  No one else finds that a little silly? </DIV>

Aion
03-09-2005, 02:02 AM
Acording to Sauria, who has cronicled the Norratian caladanr in EQ2 at launch ( see: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=326 )EQ2 started in the game year 3721. It is common knowledge that it is 500 years past EQ1, give or take a few decades.And I do find the whole thing more than silly. It is absurd.As I stated somewhere before, much of the on-line adventure stuff COULD be plausible IF you removed the 500 years before EQ1 timeline. It just doesn't jive, for so many HUGE reasons that fans of EQOA want to try to twist so that it does fit.This is NOT history. This is fiction. Sadly, it is fiction written by many authors divided into 3 teams, with three different agendas, as outlined by SOE's parent company SONY, that must make a profit. The notion of 'forgotten' history, or newly discovered history does not wash. This is fiction. I will say it again. FICTION. EQOA was as, pointed out, a way to cash in the franchise on a new platform. Regardless of how well the history and lore for that game is written, or how great of a story it is, it is moot. It CONTRADICTS the FICTION written by the original team. Most of the conflicts are due simply to a rediculously short time period.If we were dealing with only humans (or races with the same typical lifespan) then, sure 500 years could work. But When ALL the elder races live longer than that (and these are intellectual civilized races that do not rely on oral tradition) you can easily see where things falls apart with this timeline.When you have COMLETLEY different stories written to explain the same places, one cannot defend FICTION by saying 'Well, maybe some new history was found, or they forgot how it really happened". If that were the case, they would WRITE IT LIKE THAT. It is fiction.I am not trying to discredit EQAO. It obviously has some adoring fans. But it is NOT the same Norrath as EQ1 and EQ2. Ejoy that OA. Enjoy the lore. Some of it sound really cool. But, please, don't inject it into this game. It doesn't belong here. Just reading through all the racial history books should tell all of us that.Just read those, and see how they, too contradict EQOA, and support the lore of EQ1.Why do you think that the Devs stickied Troodon's post on the History of Norrath and linked it on the launch pad? Becuase THIS Norrath was built without the contradictions of EQAO.

troodon311
03-09-2005, 02:29 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aion wrote:<BR>Acording to Sauria, who has cronicled the Norratian caladanr in EQ2 at launch ( see: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=326 )<BR><BR>EQ2 started in the game year 3721. It is common knowledge that it is 500 years past EQ1, give or take a few decades. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's not the Iksar calander though, the Iksar have their own calander that starts with the death of the Shissar.</P> <P>Love the rest of the post though! Completely agree :smileyhappy:</P><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class=date_text>03-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:29 PM</span>

Thraken
03-09-2005, 02:31 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <P>Aion wrote:<BR><BR>...The notion of 'forgotten' history, or newly discovered history does not wash...</P> <P>If we were dealing with only humans (or races with the same typical lifespan) then, sure 500 years could work. But When ALL the elder races live longer than that (and these are intellectual civilized races that do not rely on oral tradition) you can easily see where things falls apart with this timeline.<BR><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Please, if you could, post a breif outline of the major topics covered by President Lech Walesa of Poland during his inauguration speach.  This was a major event for a foreign people in a foreign land.  This happened less than 16 years ago, yet I can savely say that 99% of american citizens can not answer this question without first doing research.  </P> <P>Everyone in the world does not have a common understanding of world events.  Its not safe to assume that all elves know what the eurdite population is doing at any given time.</P> <P>To assume that a race would maintain a strong recolection of the major points of a foreign nation's politics and major demographics for 500 years is difficult to believe.  Even more doubtful would be if a majority of the population retained this as common knowledge.</P> <P>Furthermore, if a race has a livespan of 700 years, that is roughly ten times a human lifespan.  So elves living on Tunaria for 30-50 years after the fall of Tak'Hiz would seem like 3-5 years of our own human time.  This is less time than most people spend in college.  To think that a nation the size of Tak'Hiz was destroyed and the entire population was moved to a seperate contient overnight is less believable to me than the idea that the elven nation had a temperary home in Tunaria while preperations were made to move across the sea.  If elves do live 700 years + then a decades long stop over in a new home wouldn't be perceived as more than a couple year rental house for a human.  If a great disaster were to befall upon California, how quickly do you honestly thing they could relocate everyone to New Zealand?</P> <P> </P> <P>Aion you are certainly right about the fact that these are 3 different histories written by three different teams.  Argueing about it is actually a bit futile.  I just happen to believe that they did a decent job and keeping the overall history from EQOA->EQ1->EQ2 believable.<BR></P> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Thraken on <span class=date_text>03-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:33 PM</span>

Mordock of the Highwynd
03-09-2005, 02:32 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aion wrote:<BR>Acording to Sauria, who has cronicled the Norratian caladanr in EQ2 at launch ( see: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=lore&message.id=326 )<BR><BR>EQ2 started in the game year 3721. It is common knowledge that it is 500 years past EQ1, give or take a few decades.<BR><BR>And I do find the whole thing more than silly. It is absurd.<BR><BR>As I stated somewhere before, much of the on-line adventure stuff COULD be plausible IF you removed the 500 years before EQ1 timeline. It just doesn't jive, for so many HUGE reasons that fans of EQOA want to try to twist so that it does fit.<BR><BR>This is NOT history. This is fiction. Sadly, it is fiction written by many authors divided into 3 teams, with three different agendas, as outlined by SOE's parent company SONY, that must make a profit. The notion of 'forgotten' history, or newly discovered history does not wash. This is fiction. I will say it again. FICTION. EQOA was as, pointed out, a way to cash in the franchise on a new platform. Regardless of how well the history and lore for that game is written, or how great of a story it is, it is moot. It CONTRADICTS the FICTION written by the original team. Most of the conflicts are due simply to a rediculously short time period.<BR><BR>If we were dealing with only humans (or races with the same typical lifespan) then, sure 500 years could work. But When ALL the elder races live longer than that (and these are intellectual civilized races that do not rely on oral tradition) you can easily see where things falls apart with this timeline.<BR><BR>When you have COMLETLEY different stories written to explain the same places, one cannot defend FICTION by saying 'Well, maybe some new history was found, or they forgot how it really happened". If that were the case, they would WRITE IT LIKE THAT. It is fiction.<BR><BR>I am not trying to discredit EQAO. It obviously has some adoring fans. But it is NOT the same Norrath as EQ1 and EQ2. Ejoy that OA. Enjoy the lore. Some of it sound really cool. But, please, don't inject it into this game. It doesn't belong here. <BR><BR>Just reading through all the racial history books should tell all of us that.<BR><BR>Just read those, and see how they, too contradict EQOA, and support the lore of EQ1.<BR><BR><STRONG>Why do you think that the Devs stickied Troodon's post on the History of Norrath and linked it on the launch pad? Becuase THIS Norrath was built without the contradictions of EQAO.<BR></STRONG> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Um...it's a popular topic, that's why it's on the Launchpad at least.  <BR>

Aion
03-09-2005, 02:45 AM
"Please, if you could, post a breif outline of the major topics covered by President Lech Walesa of Poland during his inauguration speach. This was a major event for a foreign people in a foreign land. "I may not know it, but I know it is documented."Its not safe to assume that all elves know what the eurdite population is doing at any given time."Except that it is erudites you are talking about and not trolls. They are a race of intellctuals that had the largest library on Norrath.You are right about the futility... and my post was actualy more of a vieled plee to stop this bickering and just PLEASE stick with the lore we find in EQ2 (not EQ1, not EQOA). That is what we should be basing things on (becuase the lore IS in there). And no one will ever agree on this issue.

troodon311
03-09-2005, 03:01 AM
<DIV> <P> </P> <P><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thraken wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Please, if you could, post a breif outline of the major topics covered by President Lech Walesa of Poland during his inauguration speach.  This was a major event for a foreign people in a foreign land.  This happened less than 16 years ago, yet I can savely say that 99% of american citizens can not answer this question without first doing research.  <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>How can you possibly think that's a valid comparison?  There are more than 200 nations on this planet, and for the vast majority of them the inauguational speech made by the leaders of any of them is not worth knowing at all.  It has no historical importance</P> <P>The topic at hand is a completely different situation.  We are talking about where entire races lived and when they lived there.  I'm 19 years old and I know that most of my family immigrated to the United States in the early 20th century, one chunk of them came out of Serbia in 1911, 3 years before WWI started.  That is more than 3 generations ago and I know not only where they came from but when.  The same is, for some unfathomable reason, not true in this world you people insist on believing in.  The Gnomes and Dwarves in EQ1 have no clue that they're from Antonica, and the Elves (some of whom would have lived there) have absolutely no recollection of the cities they lived in for hundreds of years after the destruction of Takish'Hiz.</P> <P>The history we have says that the Elves "fled" Tunaria <EM>as</EM> the sands were still enveloping Takish'Hiz.  It is in the game, I quoted it directly in one of my posts above.  It does not say that they lived there for hundreds of years and then decided to leave, as would be the case if EQOA is to be believed.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> Everyone in the world does not have a common understanding of world events.  Its not safe to assume that all elves know what the eurdite population is doing at any given time. <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Strawman.  I never said Elves would know about Erudites.  I said Elves would know about Elves.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> <HR> To assume that a race would maintain a strong recolection of the major points of a foreign nation's politics and major demographics for 500 years is difficult to believe.  Even more doubtful would be if a majority of the population retained this as common knowledge. <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You must be posting in the wrong thread, because national politics and demographics have not entered into this discussion.  The location these nations existed on are the points here.  I may not know what King Charlemagne's opinion of the Pope Paul I was, but I do know what fricken continent he ruled on.</P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> Furthermore, if a race has a livespan of 700 years, that is roughly ten times a human lifespan.  So elves living on Tunaria for 30-50 years after the fall of Tak'Hiz would seem like 3-5 years of our own human time.  <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Read my post above.  If EQOA is to be reconcilled with EQ1 lore then the Elves would have had to remain on Tunaria for a very long time.  Hundreds of years.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> <HR> To think that a nation the size of Tak'Hiz was destroyed and the entire population was moved to a seperate contient overnight is less believable to me than the idea that the elven nation had a temperary home in Tunaria while preperations were made to move across the sea.  <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Ok, fine.  I don't really care if you think that EQ1 lore is wrong, but I disagree.  Afterall, this is EverQuest 2, not EverQuest Online Adventures 2.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> <HR> If elves do live 700 years + then a decades long stop over in a new home wouldn't be perceived as more than a couple year rental house for a human.  <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Let's say I die at the age of 40.  Does that mean that the 4 years I spent in highschool are "perceived" any differently than those of my great-grandmother who died at the age of 92?  Of course not!</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> If a great disaster were to befall upon California, how quickly do you honestly thing they could relocate everyone to New Zealand? <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well, if Oregon was a rather hostile and territorial neighbor (Freeport) and Nevada had previously attempted to conquer the entire world (Ogres) and Mexico was filled with bloodthirsty brutes 8 feet tall with the strength of many men and a taste for Californian flesh (Trolls of course) and California became uninhabitable, and if the Pacific was the size of the Ocean of Tears, then I don't think it would take too long for us Californians to get the hell out of Dodge.</P></DIV><p>Message Edited by troodon311 on <span class=date_text>03-08-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:03 PM</span>

Maddogg218
03-09-2005, 03:39 AM
Both EQOA, EQLive, and EQ2 have their own "universes" so to speak. Its SoE's loophole to change lore as they please with all 3 games.