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Jezekie
03-03-2005, 04:54 AM
I came across this text in a book in game, and found it quite interesting. I did a quick search but it didn't show anything about zeb previously posted. It details the events that happened at the end of the Planes of Power expansion in EverquestLive.----------The words of ZebuxorukIt is my intention to record the events I have witnessed that all mortals may be given an understanding concerning the fabric of reality that we now find ourselves in. Those who were with me in that hour would have no recollection of this most important event transpiring around them. If they do have a remembrance then it is as a fleeting touch upon the mind, as if it were a feather drifting within thought, unable to lay hold upon with a hand of understanding. For the minds of mortals are a mysterious thing, even to those that make claim upon their creation.And so it came to pass that the races of Norrath gathered together in the place where time cannot be measured for it was time itself, both no time and all times at once. And here did they seek me that I may give them knowledge that I had obtained that was forbidden by the gods of Norrath. But this knowledge I have not recorded upon these pages as it is for another recording for another time and another place. And so I make a writing concerning the events that transpired upon my liberation from stasis at the hands of these mortals.As I was to impart my forbidden knowledge to them the Matron of the Art, even Druzzil Ro, manifested herself before us and forbade me to share my knowledge with them saying 'Zebuxoruk, my student I cannot allow this to happen. If you were to escape from another prison the will and power of the gods will have been compromised!' Addressing me she also spake saying 'I must set things back to how they were before you and these mortals arrived here, I believe that you cannot understand this and I am sorry.' And in so saying weaved her incantation that these mortals' time as well as my own would be returned to the place of her appointment. However, this was not all that transpired. For I beheld the fabric of time that all beings travel upon unfurled before me as a scroll of exquisite parchment. And I beheld that the parchment neatly tore in twain at that moment of the Matron's command, but not as two parts of a whole but as two wholes of the same whole each containing the same words and symbols and they continued on as before, completely unaware of one another. I then watched as one of the parchments curled upon itself for the space of time appointed by the Matron of the Art so that the parchment did not continue forward for the space of several hours before once again continuing on before me. And it came to pass that the two parchments continued on before me into parts I could no longer see, one traveling before the other and the words and symbols upon them both began to change, slightly at first but more and more profoundly as they continued on. And the space of time between them was the very same number of hours that was the appointed time of the Matron. And all this I saw before my loss of consciousness and subsequent reawakening.I now must make an end to this writing not knowing which of the fabrics of time I now find myself upon. Is it the one that the Matron made curl upon itself? Is it the one that continued on with the changing words and symbols? Or could I be on both, the one part having no knowledge of the other? In the end it may matter not but for the sake of knowledge and wisdom I have written this now so that this event may be remembered.<p>Message Edited by Jezekiell on <span class=date_text>03-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:55 AM</span>

BLOODka
03-03-2005, 07:30 PM
<DIV>So basically...people releasing Zebby from his prison teed off the gods and made them turn their backs on Norrath and thus the cataclysms happened because they werent there to intervene?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Didnt we already know this O_o</DIV>

Aion
03-03-2005, 08:29 PM
<blockquote><hr>BLOODkane wrote:<DIV>So basically...people releasing Zebby from his prison teed off the gods and made them turn their backs on Norrath and thus the cataclysms happened because they werent there to intervene?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Didnt we already know this O_o</DIV><hr></blockquote>Wow. How did you pick that out of there. I got a very different interpretation from that.To me this appears to explain the divergence between the worlds of EQ1 and EQ2, and explains the differences in magics between the two worlds, EQ2 being "the one that continued on with the changing words and symbols", as that one is set ahead from the other which are then traveleing at the same speed. One could hypothesis that the parchment that "did not continue forward for the space of several hours before once again continuing on" is the world of EQ1, held back for 500 years, then allowed to continue again, follwing the path of the parchment sent ahead.I'm unsure if the symbolism of the 'curled' parchment, though, other than it is to represent EQ1 -- it curled upon itself -- it is hidden? contained to itself? Perhapes symbolises the lost history in EQ2?.

Vyrance
03-03-2005, 09:45 PM
<DIV>what book did you get this from in game? =)  good story</DIV>

Fith
03-04-2005, 12:10 AM
<DIV>I found this book laying on a table in N. Freeport at the arcane science building. I dont know why it was there. But I was able to just place it in my house.</DIV>

Jezekie
03-04-2005, 01:49 AM
<blockquote><hr>Fithin wrote:<DIV>I found this book laying on a table in N. Freeport at the arcane science building. I dont know why it was there. But I was able to just place it in my house.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Yeah I belive that's where I found it as well, around the same time I picked up the shadowman lore and legend quest where I ran around and clicked on all the books in the Academy. No need to quest any of the pages, it was complete and ready to be placed in the house.

Choombatta
03-04-2005, 02:31 AM
<DIV>In Qeynos, it is the book on the table right in front of Sage Indis.</DIV>

redbead
03-04-2005, 10:40 AM
<DIV>My take on the "curled parchment" is that it's the EQ1 world repeating itself for a period of time, since when something curls up, it can only move in a circle or loop. This would be the reason that the EQ1 universe hasn't evolved up to the EQ2 universe at the present, because it's denizens would simply be reliving events that had already happened, save of course the Freeing of Zebuxoruk. The parchment that continued forward (EQ2 universe) is the representation of what would have happened to Norrath had Time not been manipulated by Druzzil Ro. The curling parchment (EQ1 universe) is the result of Time being thrust backwards by Druzzil Ro, and repeating for the "hours" that it did. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Atleast, that is how I see it.... :smileywink:  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Aion
03-04-2005, 08:03 PM
<blockquote><hr>redbead wrote:<DIV>My take on the "curled parchment" is that it's the EQ1 world repeating itself for a period of time, since when something curls up, it can only move in a circle or loop. This would be the reason that the EQ1 universe hasn't evolved up to the EQ2 universe at the present, because it's denizens would simply be reliving events that had already happened, save of course the Freeing of Zebuxoruk. The parchment that continued forward (EQ2 universe) is the representation of what would have happened to Norrath had Time not been manipulated by Druzzil Ro. The curling parchment (EQ1 universe) is the result of Time being thrust backwards by Druzzil Ro, and repeating for the "hours" that it did. </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Atleast, that is how I see it.... :smileywink: </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote>That could work <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Can anyone actually confirm what the knowledge is that Zebuxoruk passed on in EQ1? I stopped playing before this expansion. Was anything actually passed on?

bellstar
03-05-2005, 12:23 AM
<DIV>That book was definitely an interesting read.  Nice way of explaining the parallel universes.</DIV>

Jezekie
03-05-2005, 12:35 AM
Been trying to dust up more information about Zebuxoruk, but it's sparse.http://everquest.station.sony.com/lostdungeons/lore.jsp?page=LDON%20Lore%20IndexContains a few stories of lore from the Lost Dungeons of Norrath expansion in EQLiveIt goes on about how Zebuxoruk reaches out to Calliav in the Plane of Knowledge and gives him a bit of the knowledge that Zebuxoruk has, perhaps to warn about the invasion of Mata Muram from the Realm of Discord, I don't know.

Nianq
03-05-2005, 06:53 AM
<DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2> <HR> Fennin Ro says, 'Impossible! How could the races of Norrath have traveled this deep into the Planes?!'<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>Xegony says, 'I regret that it has come to this. They leave us with little choice, however. We must fuse our powers together. Separately we are weakened, together we will halt their advances.'<BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>Triumvirate of Water says, 'Unfortunate as it may be, I agree. We must call upon the beast we swore </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>would never be needed.'<BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>The Rathe says, 'Then let us begin. Let our abilities and powers meld into one. It shall be our final protector and savior. The only thing standing between us and non-existence'<BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>Your head pounds from the amount of raw energy that begins to coalesce throughout the plane. Bright flashes of red, blue, green and brown begin to come into focus on one single point. A large towering beast begins to manifest itself. A horrible creation with all the powers from each elemental realm. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>Your body begins to shudder by the mere presence of this being.<BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Courier size=2>The sundial across the room begins to glow with an ethereal energy.<BR>As the path before you opens up in a swirl of mystical energy, the faded image of an hourglass appears. You have two additional hours.</FONT><BR> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Elemtental Gods would then combine to form Quarm, the final mob of the Planes of Power, a five headed dragon with all the powers and abilities of all of the elemental gods. Defeating Quarm would release Zeb and trigger the following text:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> Zebuxoruk staggers about and looks at you drowsy, from his weakened state. 'My thanks to you. I am surprised to see you have made it here. We must get back to Norrath. The time has come for me to share my knowledge. Something is coming, a threat to us all, and the sands in the hourglass are thinning. Make haste and take me back the way you came.' </DIV> <DIV> <P>Zebuxoruk says, 'I am surprised at the gods for taking such drastic measures, though I suppose all of the creations of the Nameless are capable of displaying poor judgment and irrational behavior. These gods are burdened with powers and responsibilities beyond our comprehension, yet at times even they do not understand the eventual effect of their actions. I am compelled to share the knowledge of the gods with the populace of Norrath, so that I might save their creations. They do not realize that if mortality ceases to exist... if they are not worshipped and held aloft by the beliefs of those that they now have grown to fear... they will fall from power and a new age of darkness will wash over existence as they know it. I did not seek to interfere with them or their realms, only to free them from a fate that awaits all of us. It is this fate that now stands ready, greedily gathered on the edge of the void, ready to test the will of all mortals.' </P> <P>Zebuxoruk says, 'If they have taken measures these extreme I must rethink what I have done, and what I will do. If there was this much cause for conc...' </P> <P>Suddenly in a bright flash a feminine figure appears before you. Your ears ring from the loud burst as she slowly materializes. </P> <P>Druzzil Ro speaks with no movement of her mouth. Her thoughts flow through you, calming you as you begin to comprehend what she is trying to communicate to you. </P> <P>Druzzil Ro speaks to your mind, 'Zebuxoruk, my student I cannot allow this to happen. If you were to escape from another prison the will and power of the gods will have been compromised.' </P> <P>Zebuxoruk says, 'Druzzil, I have missed you. Wasn't it you that taught me in your own realm to seek knowledge and share it in all forms?' </P> <P>Druzzil Ro speaks to your mind, 'That I did, but I also taught you not to share your wealth of knowledge if it would affect the fate of others. I cannot allow this to happen. I must set things back to how they were before you and these mortals arrived here, I believe that you cannot understand this and I am sorry.' </P> <P>Druzzil Ro looks upon Zebuxoruk one last time, as a wave of sadness comes across her gentle face. </P> <P>Druzzil Ro begins to chant an incantation; mana flows out from her body in all directions. Things begin moving slowly in reverse. You become dizzy from the experience and fall to your knees. As you look up the last thing you can see is Druzzil Ro smiling in your direction. She then waves her arms gracefully and points at you. </P> <P>There is a brilliant flash and you find yourself displaced through time and space. For a moment you lose touch with yourself. As you wake, you find yourself back in the Plane of Knowledge, moments after talking to Maelin with the information of retrieving the Quintessence of Elements. Druzzil has preserved the timeline, and restored existence back to its normalcy. </P> <P>LOADING, PLEASE WAIT... </P> <P>You have entered Plane of Knowledge. <HR> </P> <P>OK, from this I gather a few things:</P> <P>1. The Gods fear that Zeb's knowledge will lead to "non-existence." I assume they mean their own non-existence though it could mean total non-existance of everything.</P> <P>2. The Gods will "Fall from power" if the mortals stop believing in them. Whether this means the gods will cease to exist or merely be weakened, or even cease to be gods and become mortal is unclear.</P> <P>3. Also if mortals cease to belive and worship the gods then "a new age of darkness will wash over existence as they know it"</P> <P>4. A terrible fate lay in store for Norrath "greedily gathered on the edge of the void, ready to test the will of all mortals"</P> <P>Now then, starting in LoY and then more so as the expansions progressed Calliav, a fanatic worshiper of Zeb, began having visions. He claimed to have reached such a state of enlightenment that he had attracted Zeb's notice and Zeb had imparted some of his knowledge to Calliav. This knowledge drove Calliav mad and he began to push Morden Rasp, leader of the Wayfarer's Brotherhood, to prepare the world to face some dark fate. He began by pressing for the discovery of the Grozmek Stone and then to travel to the other side of the world to discover Taelosia which held the gateway to the Realm of Discord, home of the Muramites who were planning to conquer all of Norrath. Also during this time the God's began to distance themselves from the Mortals.Now then, given what was going on at the time most people believed that the terrible fate was the impending invasion by the Muramites. However, I think that Zeb was foretelling the Shattering.  I also think that EQ2 is the looped fabric not EQ1.</P> <P>I think that the Gods had planned on leaving Norrath from the begginning, as soon as Zeb learned that their power was derived from the worship of mortals. I think the Gods got scared that if they stayed where we could have easy access to them that we might begin to think of them as common place and stop worshipping them. Also the fact that mortals were able to challenge and defeat the gods would also hurt their status as Objects of Worship. That's why they decided to leave. This would put them back at the same place philosophically as they were before the Planes were opened. They would now be at the same place that God is in RL. Before they left people could point to them and say "That's Tunare, right there; the tall elf chick." To which someone else can reply,"She don't look like much to me. bet I can take her." Now Tunare is "in the Plane of Growth waiting for her devoted. She is the Great Mother of All. She is an invisible spirit that watches over us and guides us." This I think was the gods' plan.</P> <P>But then, we freed Zeb and learned the secret. Now the gods didn't dare to leave or we'd think they were running in fear and no one worships a coward. Instead they just back off a bit and that's what happened in EQ1. The gods didnt leave they just stopped answering prayers in punishment for slaying their physical manifestations. We know they are still there. We know they will help their followers if the need is great enough (after all if they let us die they die too). We know they need us but we need them as well and so we continue to worship them and life continues. The terrible fate that Zeb had forseen didnt happen. because the gods were there to stop it.</P> <P>However, with EQ2 we didnt learn the secret. This left the gods free to withdraw purely as punishment. We knew that their physically manifested bodies could be killed but their essence, if you will, could not be touched. As far as we know nothing we do can ever harm them or cause them any real concern. The gods are not their bodies and killing their bodies is really only an annoyance. They left and we knew they left. They were no longer there and they gave no indication they were ever coming back. They turned their backs on us so we returned the favor. We stopped worshipping them (which we never did in EQ1). And since we stopped worshipping them they slowly began to weaken. The gods are seen by most to be something akin to Santa Clause and the boggeyman; just stories to tell your children to make them behave. Then several hundred years of agnotism later when the Rending began and the moon blew up the gods were too weak to stop it. . </P> <P>This I think is the terrible fate that Zebuxoruk foresaw. Not only did the gods leaving allow the cataclysms to happen but it also has caused the people to lose faith, thereby weakening the gods. If something doesnt happen soon the gods may even cease to be and there's no telling what horrors that would result in. </P> <P>I expect to see avatars of the gods to begin roaming the world again very soon (next few expansions) as the gods try to regather their worshipers to build their power back up. They will however, have learned from the past opening of the Planes of Power and will not allow the puny mortals to again threaten them.</P> <P>Now, I'm not sure which fabric is EQ2 and which is EQ1. We know that EQ1 got looped because we know that Druzzil Ro reset time. However, in EQ1 we know the secret of the gods whereas in EQ2, which didnt get looped, we don't. All I can think is that when Druzzil Ro rest Time, that we remembered what Zeb said. Otherwise we would've went off to PoTime to rescue Zeb again thinking it was the first time. In the EQ2 fabric perhaps Druzil Ro simply wiped the memory of the recue party and then killed them while they were trying to remember where they were. However, Since we have a book written by Zeb obviously he was freed in EQ2. And why would Druzzil have made such a fuss and reset time in EQ1 if she wasn't going to wipe our memories? </P> <P> </P></DIV></DIV>

Sorvani
03-05-2005, 09:48 PM
the looping of the fabric is symbolism for infinity, aka a mobius strip. this is clearly alagory to the time travel spell Druzzil Ro casts on everyone to "secure" the timeline and keep Zeb imprisioned.Zeb's warning may or may not of been about the Rending and Shattering, i personally think that they are. But Calliv interpreted them as being about the muramite invasion.A lot of standard fantasy settings deem that the gods will themselves into existance, or are created by some other who willed itself into existance, and then spend power to create worshipers. Additionally a majority(IMO) of fantasy holds that a god who loses all his/her wirshipers looses their power if not their exisitance. That tie between worshiper and God is what Zeb is hinting at.

Nianq
03-06-2005, 04:00 AM
<DIV>Seems to me that the looping of the one fabric represents Druzzil resetting or looping time back on itself for a few hours back to when the rescue party learned how to enter PoTime. I don't see how it could represent infinity as Zeb clearly states that time did not stay looped but did continue on toward the future.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As I said at the time this information became public knowledge <U>everyone </U>thought zeb was talking about the Muramites. Of course that was mostly spurred on by Calliav who had touched the mind of Zeb. However in the lore during LoY/LDoN it clearly stated that Calliav was driven mad for a time by the tiniest fraction of Zeb's knowledge that he was able to comprehend. He was also portaying some very suspicious behavior at the end of Gates which only got worse as we moved into OOW. So I don't really trust anything that he says.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also from what Zeb actually says, it sounds to me that whatever the terrible fate was that he foresaw came about as a result of the gods' plan. This leads me to doubt that he was talking about the Muramites. Besides most of Norrath never saw a Muramite so I kind of doubt that's what he meant.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the gods' power and even existance being derived from their worshipers, Zeb didn't hint at that. He came right out and said it. I think this was the real reason that the gods were planning to leave. I think that they believed that they were losing worshipers by being too accessible. After all, when movies and cars were first invented they were amazing new things. Now everyone has access to them and they arent any big deal. The gods felt that was going to happen to them as well so they left. I think this was the plan that Zeb was alluding to and that it obvipusly didnt work the way the gods had expected it too. The Shattering and the Rending were the results (indirect and unintended as they were Im sure)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In EQ1 the knowledge of Zeb got leaked and they didnt go through with it. In EQ2 however, the words of Zeb say that that knowledge never got out, so they went ahead and left and the the fate Zeb saw actually happened. The real question is, is it over or is the worst yet to come?</DIV>

Sorvani
03-06-2005, 04:40 AM
umm sorry you're wrong. i'm right.j/k <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />i'll have to agree to disagree i think you got the two timeline comparisons backwards. the same with your stance on the gods and the worshipers. remember the adventurers who we portray are only a minority of the world population. the gods weren't all that accessible.on the whole mobius thing. i was simply stating that as a more common example of the imagery the story was using. i never said time went into an infinite loop.

FallingByTheWaysi
03-06-2005, 09:09 AM
<DIV>Well regardless of who's right, both of your arguements are very insightful.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the intent of the gods' actions in EQ2's timeline, I have an opinion as well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To start: <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_01" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_01</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>From the chapter I discern the following:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. It is not the intention of Quellious' plan to use any method of mass destruction, she states this herself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. The gods are losing power at this point, alluding to the fading of the demi-planes</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. The gods consider withdrawing their influence to be a viable solution to the mortal threat</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. Their plan is essentially to divide the races up, spreading the power base so that they can't consolidate their efforts against the gods.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5. It is supposed to be a compromise, and that tells me that neither side will be completely happy: the mortal races will be harmed, but not destroyed outright</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have more thoughts on the matter, but I'll most likely do some research first before I come to any conclusions.  I rather like this discussion :smileyhappy:</DIV>

DruVir
03-09-2005, 02:18 AM
<DIV>What I would like to know is, how did the words of Zebuxoruk get written down? If time truely did infintely loop, then all knowledge of the encounter in Time and the conversation of Druzzil Ro would be erased, so no mortal at that time, or un-time, could have written it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps Zebuxoruk was able to somehow summon the rest of his power to force his story down onto Norrath?</DIV> <DIV>Or maybe he invaded someone's mind like he did with Calliav, and that person was able to tell what happened?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Or it might have even been the God's themselves, mimicing Zebuxoruk, making up events in order to show their power over even time itself, thus their worship growing stronger. </DIV>

Sorvani
03-09-2005, 06:15 AM
because EQ2 is another universe.. Ever watch the TV show Sliders?? In one parrallel universe, the loop never happened. now whether the one with the loop is EQ2 or EQL is really the difference my and the other poster were debating..

DruVir
03-09-2005, 06:57 AM
<DIV>I'm addicted to the show Sliders.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And. . by your logic of these words of his being here because this isn't the time that looped. . it would mean that EQ2 is not the shriveled up parchment, but the one where words keep going.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ1 is the one that continually loops.</DIV> <DIV>EQ2, because Zeb knows of how Time ended up being looped by Druzzil Ro, would mean he was able to write about it for Norrathians.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Otherwise, he would be part of the continual loop, and would never know about his own fate, like all the others, of continually looping until the moment Druzzil Ro once more sent him back.</DIV>

Drager
08-15-2007, 11:28 AM
hey wait what about the parchment silghtly behind the one traveling on maybe that is where the will put EQ3 if there is one a during the caticlism sort of thing

Vehnic
08-16-2007, 08:08 AM
I can not begin to totally understand the entire history and scope of the Zeb prophecies, but I would hope one of you can fill me in on one thing (or correct me if I am totally wrong). In The Fallen Dynasty adv pack, the main quest line has you release or "unbind" the knowledge that Zeb had. Cheldrak was the "Guardian of the Codex," and I was under the impression that this "Codex" was the collected knowledge of Zeb himself, sealed away. Hence he appears at the end of the quest line, possessing the NPC in front of you. I can't remember all that Zeb says when he appears as an entity before you, only that  he hinted at the return of "the nine" (the nine primary gods/demi-gods of Norrath to show influence in EoF)... and it continued the classic EQ lore Nostradamus loop. I don't really know if this relates to what you have been discussing, I'm just trying to piece a little bit of the mystery myself. Any way, I've been enjoying the conjecture between ya'll.

evhallion
08-16-2007, 08:53 AM
<cite>Vehnic wrote:</cite><blockquote>Any way, I've been enjoying the conjecture between ya'll. </blockquote><p> Um that conjecture took place 2 years ago, check the dates: 03/09/2005 </p><p>Though it is nice to see that someone predicted the return of the Avatars.</p>

Vehnic
08-16-2007, 08:59 AM
/shrug That's what I get for strolling the forums late at night with a bunch of Captain in me. I blame the person that posted before me and bumped the thread =P

Drager
08-16-2007, 01:30 PM
This thread was ment to return