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Lvla
02-28-2005, 08:47 PM
<DIV> Thranken wrote:  <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaul wrote:<BR> <DIV>According to the world map though it seems as if Innothule has sunk. Which leaves the mystery of how we're going to access Guk now (maybe through the Feerrot?).</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Actually if you look closely, there appears to be a small archipeligo where Guk once was.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>maybe u have to swim out to the archipeligo and use the mage breathe spell to get to Guk? anyone high levels want to try?</FONT></DIV>

Kamimura
02-28-2005, 09:24 PM
<DIV>Where do you see this?</DIV>

Linkdead_Phoen
03-01-2005, 02:43 AM
<DIV>I don't believe Guk is in the game "yet" since there are no music or zone files for it but I'm guessing they'll add it either by a free patch, adventure pack, or expansion.</DIV>

Sorvani
03-01-2005, 07:20 AM
whoever said they are adding guk?

DreamerClou
03-01-2005, 08:34 AM
<DIV>I believe the frogloks fled into Guk after the city of Gukta was invaded by the Ogres.   Maybe Guk will be a key to unlocking the Froglok race?</DIV>

Sudd
03-01-2005, 08:44 AM
I really hope they keep the Frogloks as a limited race, having players have to complete a quest on that account to unlock them rather than buying an expansion or what not. That way we won't see a lot of Frogloks (at least, not immediately) and keep the load down. Just my opinion, though.

troodon311
03-01-2005, 12:52 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Suddon wrote:<BR>I really hope they keep the Frogloks as a limited race, having players have to complete a quest on that account to unlock them rather than buying an expansion or what not. That way we won't see a lot of Frogloks (at least, not immediately) and keep the load down. Just my opinion, though.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It's a server wide quest.  Only one person (or group I would imagine) has to complete it and then all players can make frogloks on that server.

FallingByTheWaysi
03-01-2005, 07:13 PM
<DIV>What do people have against frogloks anyway?  They can't be any worse than all the halflings and dark elves you see running around.  Not everyone thinks it's a stupid race, ya know...</DIV>

BLOODka
03-01-2005, 08:46 PM
<DIV>Well it just didnt "fit" with traditional fantasy is all...but in a way it does...D&D and many other fantasy games had frogmen, they werent the size of froglocks but they were still frogmen...Grippli I think it was called. They were mainly theives (rogues)</DIV>

Sorvani
03-02-2005, 04:26 AM
bleh, i'm going to agree with blood...D&D has many examples over the years of frog/fish races being used.

Kryussius
03-03-2005, 02:04 AM
<DIV>I'm actually pretty pleased with how frogloks are going to be implemented.  It makes for some interesting content, and gives the players the ability to affect the server as a whole.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After that, all we need is some PvP tossed in, and it's time to kill some froggies!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*evil grin*</DIV>

Bur
03-03-2005, 11:33 AM
Frogloks as a whole had the highest rate of stupid name syndrome. Rizbit, kermit, any stupid frog name you can think of. Thus I dislike them as a playable race.

Kamimura
03-03-2005, 12:04 PM
<DIV>I dunno, there were a lot of Vah Shir with really bad names as well..</DIV>

Lvla
03-03-2005, 01:02 PM
<DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>I jsut had an idea, why don't some high levels go look around all the suspected Guk location (on Runnyeye of cause <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) and find where Guk is rather than jsut speculating?</FONT></DIV>

Lvla
03-03-2005, 02:09 PM
<DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>jsut found an npc in the baubleshire that give's some information about an evil beyond evil in the Vale (Halfling town). The loc is 848.90 -19.12 -487.86</FONT></DIV>

BLOODka
03-03-2005, 07:32 PM
<DIV>Yeah Guk is no where NEAR Rivervale, he is talking about how Rivervale was invaded by the undead of Kithicor (I suspect)</DIV>

Lvla
03-04-2005, 12:03 AM
<DIV>it says follow the clue's on the race selection to unlock the frogs</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i was thinking since there was an "evil beyond evil's" in Rivervale, that suvived the shattering. maybe the shattering wasn't what destroyed Faydark, Kelethin, Guk etc. but maybe this "evil" moved between the town's before/during/after the shattering. so whatever's in Rivervale may be a clue.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>of cause im only speculating tho</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Lvain</DIV>

Aera
03-04-2005, 12:35 AM
<DIV>Well, in EQ1 the Frogloks were always around but were added as a playable race in an expansion pack.  Perhaps SOE is trying to take the same route with EQ2.  I am guessing another continent will be discovered in the first major expansion pack.</DIV>

Redbed
03-05-2005, 05:05 PM
<DIV>Well there is a major Raid Level Deamon in Rivervale.  Maybee you could invite it down to The Laughing Trout for a beer and a Talk.</DIV>

Lvla
03-05-2005, 05:09 PM
<DIV>anyone kileld him and seen if he drops anything? what about npc's in rivervale?</DIV>

BLOODka
03-05-2005, 09:07 PM
<DIV>For the last time Rivervale has nothing to do with Froglocks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only froglock that was even NEAR Rivervale was Slaythe</DIV>

Lvla
03-06-2005, 03:36 AM
<DIV>ok ,whats ure idea about the location of guk then?</DIV>

Kodros
03-07-2005, 03:42 PM
Just because Guk is nowhere near Rivervale, it doesnt mean that they quest couldnt start there.

BLOODka
03-07-2005, 06:33 PM
<DIV>No, you guys are missing my point, there is no way the quest just starts in Rivervale, no lore is even tied to it. Nothing whatsoever.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You could make the same argument:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Froglock quest starts in Stormhold! Froglock quest starts in Oakmyst Forest!!!!! Froglock Quest starts on Isle of Refuge!!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Doesnt make it true.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My guess is either Castleview or Feerrott...or Frogs havent been completed yet and they are waiting for the first expansion.</DIV>

PoopieBl
03-07-2005, 09:38 PM
<DIV>Has the quest been completed or even started yet?  Have you started the quest? Then how do you KNOW it doesn't start there?  </DIV>

Shandael
03-07-2005, 10:11 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PoopieBlud wrote:<BR> <DIV>Has the quest been completed or even started yet?  Have you started the quest? Then how do you KNOW it doesn't start there?  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Exactly. Take Stormhold for example. In pre-cataclysm days it was in the Commonlands, better known as Befallen. And now it's right near the city of Qeynos.</P> <P>So who's to say that Guk may have not had its position severely shifted to somewhere where no one has thought to look because they're too fixated on where everything was placed in the original game.</P> <P>Personally, with no evidence to back it up, the archipego idea is intriguing, because I do personally believe it's an isolated island and that's why no one has found it yet. There's not too many long-distance swimmers in the game yet.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

Lvla
03-07-2005, 10:28 PM
<DIV>well, if stormhold (beffallen) has changed so much, then Guk might have, meh, Guk might even be the isle of refuge for all we know</DIV>

Aion
03-07-2005, 10:38 PM
Seriously guys, the Rivervale thing make little sense.And as BloodKane pointed out, you cannot deduce that the secret to the frogloks start in Rivervale becuase nothing says it doesnt. Fact is, there is absloutly NOTHING connecting the froglocks with rivervale. NOTHING. You may as well hypothesis that the infamous froglock thing starts on the Isle of Refuge -- hey, nothing says it doesn't.You all jumped on the bandwagon of a newbie poster (no offence is made by that, just that the poster has a total of 20 posts and hasn't left the baubleshire yet) who talked about and NPC in a newbie town zone who spoke of 'evil beyond evil' in Rivervale. The answer... the evil is the Mystereous Drafling and the invasion of the Nightbloods. NOT GUK.The best 'alternative' thinking on this subject, I think, was here : http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=quest&message.id=49126&view=by_date_ascending&page=1And just to clear things up a bit here.. what the hell archipego is the OP talking about? Where Guk onece was is complete ocean on the world map... Guk was located on the eastern border of Innothule swamp which is completely gone.A Troll in Big Bend talks of the burning of the swamp and the submerging of the swamp, and the screams of the froggies.

Aion
03-07-2005, 10:39 PM
<blockquote><hr>Lvlain wrote:<DIV>well, if stormhold (beffallen) has changed so much, then Guk might have, meh, Guk might even be the isle of refuge for all we know</DIV><hr></blockquote>And stormhold IS NOT befallen. There is enough lore to substantiante it as a completely different place. Outside of the game, yes, it is obvious that is what they intended the zone to be, but in the end (and more importantly) in the game it is NOT befallen.

PoopieBl
03-07-2005, 10:44 PM
<DIV>Settle down children.   I realize there is no lore associated with the two.  My point is that you 100% cannot rule out any one zone from triggering the quest.  Just because there is no lore does not mean that something can't occur in that zone to trigger it.  It may be highly unlikey but at this time we don't know.  </DIV>

Shandael
03-07-2005, 10:50 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PoopieBlud wrote:<BR> <DIV>Settle down children.   I realize there is no lore associated with the two.  My point is that you 100% cannot rule out any one zone from triggering the quest.  Just because there is no lore does not mean that something can't occur in that zone to trigger it.  It may be highly unlikey but at this time we don't know.  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Exactly. The access to Zek (a land of orcs) starts in TS, which is basically one of the "good side" zones. Access to EL (a land of sprites and halflings) starts in Nekulos, one of the "evil side" zones. </P> <P>If those two are so ironic then who's to say that the access to Guk isn't similarly placed in a twisted way?</P> <P>While I still feel that unlocking the Frogloks is more of a "discovery" quest (ie; an unknown island waiting to be discovered) than a step-by-step access quest, I do think that it was purposefully hidden from the most obvious places to look.</P>

Aion
03-07-2005, 11:06 PM
<blockquote><hr>Shandael wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>PoopieBlud wrote:<BR><DIV>Settle down children. I realize there is no lore associated with the two. My point is that you 100% cannot rule out any one zone from triggering the quest. Just because there is no lore does not mean that something can't occur in that zone to trigger it. It may be highly unlikey but at this time we don't know. </DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><P>Exactly. The access to Zek (a land of orcs) starts in TS, which is basically one of the "good side" zones. Access to EL (a land of sprites and halflings) starts in Nekulos, one of the "evil side" zones. </P><P>If those two are so ironic then who's to say that the access to Guk isn't similarly placed in a twisted way?</P><P>While I still feel that unlocking the Frogloks is more of a "discovery" quest (ie; an unknown island waiting to be discovered) than a step-by-step access quest, I do think that it was purposefully hidden from the most obvious places to look.</P><hr></blockquote>As ironic as it seems, that is not the point. It is a matter of proximity. 1) The Misty Thicket (now the enchanted lands) and Rivervale were always separated from Nektulous forest by a mountain range, but they were always beside each other (you doent think all the leatherfoots in Nek Forest in EQ1 ran through Kithicor, and the commonlands and then past all the Dragoons in Nek to get that deep, do you).2) The Jaggedpine Forest and Surefall Glade (Modernday Zek, The Orcish Wastes) once resided off the plains of Karana (now the Thundering Steepes).Along comes the Rending and viola - instant irony.Irony that a race of Frogs hunted in the end by Ogres into the depths of a swamp, with another contingent heading north for help would somehow get tangled up a conflict with Nightbloods and Halflings as they passed Rivervale on their way to Qeynos, and NO ONE in rivervale seems to have any recollections of talking toads, (at least ones who DON'T have a little Jum-Jum problem) And no talking toads in Qeynos seems to remember stopping in for tea with the halflings?Yet they all talk about swamps and jungles, and being trapped underground.

PoopieBl
03-07-2005, 11:45 PM
<DIV>Aion, will you please tell us how to unlock the Frogs!!  </DIV>

Aion
03-08-2005, 12:08 AM
I would, but I really don't want them unlocked. Besides, I'd then have to kill you. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Serioulsly, I would bet my last copper that there is no quest as of yet (not perpetuating the 'not in game yet' jedi conspiracy - I don't buy that) but that the 'opening' of the quest will be a GAME wide GM run event, and the only reason it hasn't started is because they are still trying to iron out some serious game flaws, and train respective GMs (I mean the actually game knowledge that the current GMs have atm is pitiful, as anyone who ever /petitioned can attest too - and I for one would NOT like to see any of them directing a huge lore event for the game).I would bet also that it will coincide with hightened tensions between the 2 cities (ala the leaked Lucan and Antonia voice-overs discussing the discovery of enslaved frogloks in the Temple of Cazic-thule, already recorded and in game). We already see them creating more conflict with the sabatoge quests and the segragation of quests into factions with the Bloodlines Adventure Pack.The server-wide unlocking is also not a possiblity becuase of how character creation is is handled ATM. The first thing you do is select a race - the last, select a server. So, contrary to poular beleife, logic dictates that this will not be the nature of unlocking the silly frogs.Sadly, its a waiting game - and we can speculate that it starts in any zone we want to, and we can argue the absurd till we are blue in the face and convince ourselves out of the facts, but it will not change the fact that this will, and can only be, unlocked by the Devs and GMs.

BLOODka
03-08-2005, 12:41 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shandael wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PoopieBlud wrote:<BR> <DIV>Has the quest been completed or even started yet?  Have you started the quest? Then how do you KNOW it doesn't start there?  </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Exactly. Take Stormhold for example. In pre-cataclysm days it was in the Commonlands, better known as Befallen. And now it's right near the city of Qeynos.</P> <P>So who's to say that Guk may have not had its position severely shifted to somewhere where no one has thought to look because they're too fixated on where everything was placed in the original game.</P> <P>Personally, with no evidence to back it up, the archipego idea is intriguing, because I do personally believe it's an isolated island and that's why no one has found it yet. There's not too many long-distance swimmers in the game yet.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Stormhold is *NOT* Befallen, it was originally supposed to be Befallen but it is *NOT* Befallen it is unique to it's history.</P> <P>The reason Frogloks have nothing to do with Rivervale is because it doesnt make any sense, I guarantee you it does NOT start there.</P>

Shandael
03-08-2005, 12:54 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aion wrote:<BR><BR>Serioulsly, I would bet my last copper that there is no quest as of yet (not perpetuating the 'not in game yet' jedi conspiracy - I don't buy that) but that the 'opening' of the quest will be a GAME wide GM run event<BR><BR>The server-wide unlocking is also not a possiblity becuase of how character creation is is handled ATM. The first thing you do is select a race - the last, select a server. So, contrary to poular beleife, logic dictates that this will not be the nature of unlocking the silly frogs.<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hmm, that is a boon-doggle for the devs. How can individual servers unlock Frogloks when you create the character before you even choose a server?</P> <P>It does sound like it has to be a game-wide unlocking all at the same time. I'm still sticking to my undiscovered island theory though. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

Sorvani
03-08-2005, 09:17 AM
they've stated numerous times that it is a per server event. they've also never answered the character select issue.additionally there are people near the end game who believe they have found the quest and are trying very hard to complete it. i've seen tantalizing bits and pices posted around so i fully expect them to be unlocked this month..

Lvla
03-08-2005, 01:19 PM
<DIV>lol guess i am a newbie</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i have left the baubbleshire tho :smileywink:</DIV>

BLOODka
03-08-2005, 07:21 PM
<DIV>It could be that you can create the frogloks but you have to start on a certain server (the only ones who have unlocked it)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>meaning, people dont want to unlock them for fear of huge flood of players on their server.</DIV>

Lvla
03-09-2005, 02:35 AM
<DIV>if any devs have read this, please make frogloks unlockable by people for their accounts only, not the whole server</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lvlain on <span class=date_text>03-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:32 AM</span>

BLOODka
03-09-2005, 06:33 PM
<DIV>or a "WHOLE" server <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Lvla
03-09-2005, 09:32 PM
<DIV>lol</DIV>

Kodros
03-12-2005, 03:08 PM
A possible scenerio. A Froglock Family fearing for their lives, escape from the swampland to the north. They find that they are welcomed in Rivervale after the townsfolk hear of what happened. They have stayed hidden in their cave, afraid to come out until the fighting stopped. My point is that this quest can begin anywhere. It is extremely stupid to rule out an area just because 500+ years ago, froglocks were not seen in Rivervale. Europeans didn't live in the US 500 years ago but they do now.

BLOODka
03-12-2005, 08:03 PM
<DIV>No, for the last time it doesnt start in Rivervale, get it through your thick skull. GOSH!</DIV>

Lvla
03-12-2005, 10:06 PM
<DIV> <DIV>No, for the last time it doesnt start in Rivervale, get it through your thick skull. GOSH!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>y'd u sya that?</DIV></DIV>

Kodros
03-13-2005, 02:32 PM
<blockquote><hr>BLOODkane wrote:<DIV>No, for the last time it doesnt start in Rivervale, get it through your thick skull. GOSH!</DIV><hr></blockquote>lol, too funny. Unless you know for a fact, as in you have completed the quest, you have no idea where it can start. I don't have a thick skull, I have an open mind. If SOE wants to make a quest hard, they will put it where you least expect it.

Lvla
03-13-2005, 02:46 PM
<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR> <DIV>No, for the last time it doesnt start in Rivervale, get it through your thick skull. GOSH!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>lol, too funny. Unless you know for a fact, as in you have completed the quest, you have no idea where it can start. I don't have a thick skull, I have an open mind. If SOE wants to make a quest hard, they will put it where you least expect it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>Finally someone with sense lol</FONT></DIV>

BLOODka
03-13-2005, 07:42 PM
<DIV>Unless you PROOVE to me that it does I guarantee you 100% it doesnt start in Rivervale.</DIV>

Lvla
03-14-2005, 01:37 PM
<DIV>Unless you PROOVE to me that it does I guarantee you 100% it doesnt start in Rivervale.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0000>haha, if u're so smart, where does it start?</FONT></DIV>

Kodros
03-14-2005, 07:24 PM
<blockquote><hr>BLOODkane wrote:<DIV>Unless you PROOVE to me that it does I guarantee you 100% it doesnt start in Rivervale.</DIV><hr></blockquote>I'm not trying to proove that it is in Rivervale. I truely have no idea where it starts. I am just stating that no location should be ruled out. Your statement is kinda funny. You are basically telling me that you are 100% sure that it doesnt start in Rivervale unless I can prove it. So in other words, you are not 100% sure that it does not start in Rivervale. Anyway, I'm done arguing about this, but good luck with the quest.

Trei
03-14-2005, 08:32 PM
Maybe we took too long to find and solve the quest, and now the frogs are all dead... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Aion
03-14-2005, 09:55 PM
I am willing to bet that the new two character slots that the are giving everyone in game soon is because frogloks are actually coming. The can't introduce new character options without giving everyone the chance to choose it right <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />And about this Rivervale arguament, you are all just playing devils advocate. It is really silly now.So I'll throw this out there...BLACK!

Lvla
03-15-2005, 12:53 AM
<DIV>???</DIV>

BLOODka
03-15-2005, 11:14 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Trei49 wrote:<BR>Maybe we took too long to find and solve the quest, and now the frogs are all dead... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> One can only hope

Lvla
03-15-2005, 01:12 PM
<DIV>lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>sadly that cant be true cause they're still bupipa in castleview</DIV>

BLOODka
03-15-2005, 07:33 PM
<DIV>Those frogs in Castleview are the epitome of annoying. Their voices all sound like a [Removed for Content] mongoloid</DIV>

Aion
03-15-2005, 07:41 PM
<blockquote><hr>Lvlain wrote:<DIV>???</DIV><hr></blockquote>Sigh,The Answer is:WHITE!!!

gooli
03-15-2005, 08:46 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lvlain wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>jsut found an npc in the baubleshire that give's some information about an evil beyond evil in the Vale (Halfling town). The loc is 848.90 -19.12 -487.86</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Worth investigating as I the children's poetry collection book from the obelisk(where I believe the frogloks are being held-see my post in races and player characters) mentions shadowed men using halflings for soemthing or another(shadowed halflings come to mind).  ALSO, a dev kinda dropped a note about completing said book from the obelisk(for other reasons of course) but ya never know if it a subtle way of guiding people to a quest they would have hoped to have been completed a long time ago. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by goolian on <span class=date_text>03-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:49 AM</span>

gaebrel
03-15-2005, 09:37 PM
<DIV>concerning the frogs in castleview, frogs legs sauted in butter and sherry with some garlic and rosemary and a nice merlot comes to mind</DIV>

Lvla
03-16-2005, 12:07 AM
<DIV>true, frogloks in castleview are annoying,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but not nearly annoying as that bliddy jum-jum halfling by the baubbleshire harbour</DIV>

Kaliper5
04-19-2005, 01:08 AM
<DIV>Who in the right mind woul dwant to brag to their friends "I'm a Froglok!" :p    ........................</DIV>

Conequis
04-22-2005, 02:53 AM
<span><blockquote><hr>Kaliper5 wrote:<div>Who in the right mind woul dwant to brag to their friends "I'm a Froglok!" :p    ........................</div><hr></blockquote>The Same type of person that brags to their friends saying "I'm a halfling" <span>:smileywink:</span></span><div></div>

Redbed
04-22-2005, 10:48 AM
<DIV>"What do people have against frogloks anyway?  They can't be any worse than all the halflings and dark elves you see running around.  Not everyone thinks it's a stupid race, ya know..."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try being chained in one of their filth pits for 2 years, hearing their incessent croaking.  Then come talk to me about signing up for the "I love Froglocks" parade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>