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jm212
02-22-2005, 05:12 PM
<DIV>Simple question... but I assume Overlord Lucan D'Lere is the same person as Sir Lucan D'Lere in the freeport militia house in EQ1?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And as for his sword Soulfire... Lucan was part of the EQ1 quest for the paladin sword Soulfire. Is this the same sword? Did it just change hands many times, only to finally return to the Overlord?</DIV>

TheWays
02-22-2005, 05:37 PM
<DIV>Quote from the Tome of Destiny:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>An armored rider on a black horse reached the top of the summit and dismounted. He walked to the body of the fallen avatar and lifted the sword from its lifeless hand. The blade burned with unholy fire as the dark knight held it aloft.<BR><BR>"D'Lere!" the monk called out. "That sword doesn't belong to you."<BR><BR>The Overlord removed his helmet to reveal a scarred, smirking face. "Of course it does, fool," he replied. "Soulfire is now where it was always meant to be. I thank you for bringing it to me, and for delivering the true enemies of Freeport to justice."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>So yes, it does appear that Lucan does now hold the Soulfire, a sword he has yearned for for well over 500 years.  He is the one and same Sir Lucan D'Lere from the freeport militia house in EQ1. </DIV><p>Message Edited by TheWays on <span class=date_text>02-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:48 AM</span>

zentyra
02-22-2005, 10:25 PM
<DIV>....hence the rise of the Freeport Militia to their place of prominancy in the social hierarchy of Freeport.</DIV>

Kamimura
02-22-2005, 10:34 PM
<DIV>As well as the dismal rage coming out from the underground and replacing the followers of Marr. Lucan was always working with them, or 'using them', though I sometimes wonder who was really being used..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, the Foci is Opal Darkbriar, the same one from the dismal rage/ academy of arcane science back in the day. </DIV>

galacticdu
02-01-2006, 12:25 AM
<div></div>I read someplace that lucan was a Lich. Is this true? If its not true, how did he live for so long. Did he do something to give himself eternal life?

Jaranna
02-01-2006, 01:20 AM
I don't think Lucan was/is a lich. He certainly has lived a very long time, but he needn't become a lich to do so. The process of becoming a lich is very exact, and the result is apparent. Liches are undead creatures. The flesh of undead creatures still rots and decays, yet Lucan is quite whole.He was a paladin of Marr, and he was placed in charge of Freeport while the priests and paladins went on ther Crusade of Tears. During that time, he somehow grew corrupt(ed), and, when the crusaders returned to Freeport, refused to be relieved. If not for the timely intervention of the Academy of Arcane Science and the Ashen Order, there likely would have been bloodshed on the docks. But the mages and monks evened out the numbers in the event of conflict, and so Lucan was forced to let the return to their temple in North Freeport, where they set up their base of operations. That is where EQ Live picks up. The priests and paladins are attempting to take back the city from Lucan, who controls West Freeport. He has a tenuous relationship with the Coalition of Tradesfolk Underground, which controls the East. The Steel Warriors, Ashen Order and Academy refuse to get involved. So the city is constantly on the brink of open warfare, but neither side wants to fight a war of attrition.The part of the Soulfire quest involving Lucan starts when a person at the Hall of Justice asks the paladin to retrieve Lucan's testimony, which he refused to give up after he was excommunicated from the Knights of Truth. After you kill him, his skeleton "reforms" and attacks you, and you must kill it as well. This is why people believe Lucan to be a lich.However, before you kill his skeleton, Lucan is not undead. So, it seems he merely made a pact with the Dismal Rage or Church of the Firstborn (lead by Opal Darkbriar), and they view him as a useful tool in retaking Freeport. So, they allow him another chance at victory.Of course, since Lucan is still alive in EQ2, we can assume that he never was killed before, at least as far as official lore goes. He has obviously aged, but a human should not be able to age 500 years. Most likely, his aging is slowed through some form of necromancy provided by the Teir'Dal, hence why they received their own racial district. It could originally have been provided by Opal Darkbriar, who was both wizard and necromancer in the time of EQ Live, and possibly now provided by his dark elf assistant whose name I can't recall, but appears in the trailer from the game's release campaign.There is another possibility as well, and that is that Lucan spends a great deal of time in a chamber where time does not progress. Lord Inquisitor Seru had one of these set up in the center of Sanctus Seru on Luclin, and that is how he survived from the fall of the Combine Empire. Lucan doesn't make many public appearances, it seems. This could be the reason why.I think if Lucan were undead he'd look it, rather than looking like a whole middle-aged man. There are a number of possibilities as to how he remains alive, but lich seems to be the one that people are stuck on.

Salmastryon
02-01-2006, 01:28 AM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jaranna wrote:I don't think Lucan was/is a lich. He certainly has lived a very long time, but he needn't become a lich to do so. The process of becoming a lich is very exact, and the result is apparent. Liches are undead creatures. The flesh of undead creatures still rots and decays, yet Lucan is quite whole.He was a paladin of Marr, and he was placed in charge of Freeport while the priests and paladins went on ther Crusade of Tears. During that time, he somehow grew corrupt(ed), and, when the crusaders returned to Freeport, refused to be relieved. If not for the timely intervention of the Academy of Arcane Science and the Ashen Order, there likely would have been bloodshed on the docks. But the mages and monks evened out the numbers in the event of conflict, and so Lucan was forced to let the return to their temple in North Freeport, where they set up their base of operations. That is where EQ Live picks up. The priests and paladins are attempting to take back the city from Lucan, who controls West Freeport. He has a tenuous relationship with the Coalition of Tradesfolk Underground, which controls the East. The Steel Warriors, Ashen Order and Academy refuse to get involved. So the city is constantly on the brink of open warfare, but neither side wants to fight a war of attrition.The part of the Soulfire quest involving Lucan starts when a person at the Hall of Justice asks the paladin to retrieve Lucan's testimony, which he refused to give up after he was excommunicated from the Knights of Truth. After you kill him, his skeleton "reforms" and attacks you, and you must kill it as well. This is why people believe Lucan to be a lich.However, before you kill his skeleton, Lucan is not undead. So, it seems he merely made a pact with the Dismal Rage or Church of the Firstborn (lead by Opal Darkbriar), and they view him as a useful tool in retaking Freeport. So, they allow him another chance at victory.Of course, since Lucan is still alive in EQ2, we can assume that he never was killed before, at least as far as official lore goes. He has obviously aged, but a human should not be able to age 500 years. Most likely, his aging is slowed through some form of necromancy provided by the Teir'Dal, hence why they received their own racial district. It could originally have been provided by Opal Darkbriar, who was both wizard and necromancer in the time of EQ Live, and possibly now provided by his dark elf assistant whose name I can't recall, but appears in the trailer from the game's release campaign.There is another possibility as well, and that is that Lucan spends a great deal of time in a chamber where time does not progress. Lord Inquisitor Seru had one of these set up in the center of Sanctus Seru on Luclin, and that is how he survived from the fall of the Combine Empire. Lucan doesn't make many public appearances, it seems. This could be the reason why.I think if Lucan were undead he'd look it, rather than looking like a whole middle-aged man. There are a number of possibilities as to how he remains alive, but lich seems to be the one that people are stuck on.<hr></blockquote>I have to disagree with ya here.  People think Lucan is a lich in EQ2 because SOE Lore sez so, <a href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/en/main.vm#peopleRulers" target="_blank">Right here</a>.  Under his offical bio for Race Human Lich is listed.</span></div>

galacticdu
02-01-2006, 01:46 AM
<div>In other fantasy lore Lich's have controll over vampires.  Could this be the case in EQ2?</div>

Cusashorn
02-01-2006, 01:48 AM
<div>I doubt he'd have control over vampires. There's nothing else in the game that might suggest such a notion.</div>

Jait
02-01-2006, 03:41 AM
<div></div><div></div><p>Most events show Lucan as a whole being.</p><p>In the DoF Rain event, there was a Dark-Elf behind the scenes performing the magic that makes Lucan look god-like.  It's my guess this DE is also performing the illusion, regeneration, or what have you.  We'll just have to wait for more info I think.</p><p>Message Edited by Jait on <span class="date_text">11-07-2004</span><span class="time_text">02:42 PM</span></p>

backya
02-01-2006, 04:26 AM
<div>well there it seems lucan is immortal, none the less lets look at his palace, a floating citidel? come on lol. In the peacock quest like the date hits zero 0 inside the zone, i think in the near future everquest is going ot get really deep. After all alot of past events are starting to surface and it seems alot of the old battles are getting fired up again.</div>

Jaranna
02-01-2006, 05:08 AM
<blockquote><hr>Salmastryon wrote:<div><span>I have to disagree with ya here. People think Lucan is a lich in EQ2 because SOE Lore sez so, <a href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/en/main.vm#peopleRulers" target="_blank">Right here</a>. Under his offical bio for Race Human Lich is listed.</span></div><hr></blockquote>I hadn't read that page in a long time, and I didn't remember it saying that. I think it's kind of a cop-out to explain his longevity so readily, but such is life, I guess. I stand corrected.

backya
02-01-2006, 05:12 AM
<div></div><div>The undead fallen gate and such thread, thin its under this one</div><div> </div><div>I hate to stir this thread up but if you look at the peacock quest thread theres a LONNNNNGGGGG section about the events and things that tie it together. WELL fiddy is in the peacock club, assumed to be the same one from 500 years agro, now at the same time he say that he had to name 2 dolls after old adventuring pals. Now one of the dolls is named lucan. I find it weird he is still young looking and alive yet lucan is ageing, maybe they are tied together. its worth looking into seeing how the undead and being immortal is tieing into EQ</div><p>Message Edited by backyard on <span class="date_text">01-31-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:30 PM</span></p>

DreamerClou
02-01-2006, 08:30 AM
<div></div>Even though it may be true that Lucan is a lich, I still liked your insightful post Jaranna.  Lots of thought went into it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Duhulk
02-01-2006, 07:22 PM
<div></div><p></p><hr>The process of becoming a lich is very exact, and the result is apparent.<hr><p>Be careful, EQ is not D&D, Final Fantasy, or any other such fantasy game in which a more dogmatic explination of lichdom is given.</p><p>In Norrath, maybe you can be a lich and hide the appearance. I would point you towards an old EQ2 promo video that features Lucan. When we see lighting strike we see the skeletal underlayings beneath his human facade.</p>

Vhalen
02-01-2006, 11:37 PM
<div></div><p>Great thread. I really enjoy reading about Lucan for various reasons. His background and his state of living/unliving may be explained to you in the near future. But talk of such things places one's life in grave danger.</p><p>Off the subject: Did you know that Lucan had a connection with Mayong Mistmoore in his pen and paper days? They knew each other back then and were fast friends. </p>

Salmastryon
02-01-2006, 11:38 PM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>DreamerCloud9 wrote:<div></div>Even though it may be true that Lucan is a lich, I still liked your insightful post Jaranna.  Lots of thought went into it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>HAve to agree.  I learned quite a bit about the powerstruggle that eventually led Lucan to power interesting stuff.</span></div>

Marillion
02-01-2006, 11:57 PM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div><p>Great thread. I really enjoy reading about Lucan for various reasons. His background and his state of living/unliving may be explained to you in the near future. But talk of such things places one's life in grave danger.</p><p>Off the subject: Did you know that Lucan had a connection with Mayong Mistmoore in his pen and paper days? They knew each other back then and were fast friends. </p><hr></blockquote>Wonder how powerful Mayong is now, well i guess we will see soon enought.</span></div>

Terrak
02-01-2006, 11:57 PM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div><p>Off the subject: Did you know that Lucan had a connection with Mayong Mistmoore in his pen and paper days? They knew each other back then and were fast friends. </p><hr></blockquote>Which days were those?  You mean pre-EQ1?</span></div>

Renita_Serafim
02-02-2006, 12:03 AM
<div></div>Is the pen and paper EverQuest campaign that the original developers played prior to designing the online version official lore or a sort of parralel universe story?

Malloc
02-02-2006, 12:28 AM
<div></div>It is believed that Fiddy has some how been taken over by the Shadowmen.  In OoLS there is a bunch of scroll cases.  In one of them it has a list of people that have been infiltrated.

Jaranna
02-02-2006, 12:39 AM
<blockquote><hr>Duhulk wrote:<div></div><p>Be careful, EQ is not D&D, Final Fantasy, or any other such fantasy game in which a more dogmatic explination of lichdom is given.</p><p>In Norrath, maybe you can be a lich and hide the appearance. I would point you towards an old EQ2 promo video that features Lucan. When we see lighting strike we see the skeletal underlayings beneath his human facade.</p><hr></blockquote>I remember the video. I mentioned it when I talked about Lucan's Teir'Dal assistant. But one need not take the flicker of a skull as actual fact. It could have been an effect used merely to show how evil Lucan really is.The process of becoming a lich is well explained in Norrathian lore. Through in-game references, we know that a lich hopeful must create a phylactery to house the soul, perform the ritual, and then live on in a state of undeath. Since it is told that Lucan is a lich, that makes two major liches in EQ lore, both of which look like skeletons. In the case of Miragul, it could be that he was a lich for so long that his flesh completely rotted away. Lucan's skeleton rises from his body after its death.Even the most powerful undead in EQ are still subject to decay. Trakanon's body decayed over the centuries, and the dracoliches were nothing more than skeletons.I would say the most obvious conclusion is that Lucan is maintaining some sort of very powerful illusion, or he is able to regenerate his body, most likely through necromancy, and most likely via his assistant. The afore-mentioned trailer has her protrayed as a necromancer.

Cusashorn
02-02-2006, 12:46 AM
<div>For the record, the EQ Pen and Paper game didn't come out untill around 2001 or so, 3 years after EQlive started.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>What Vhalen probably means is that back when they were still developing EQ Alpha (back when Dark Elves had mohawks, Gnomes were about the size of a Pixel on your screen, Barbarians has green kilts instead of red, Wood elf males wore bandanas, and Ogres were giant moving boxes with no neck and square-shouldered arms who's knuckles litterally dragged on the ground,) They originally wrote out a story of how Lucan and Mistmoore had close relations with each other and were connected in many ways.</div>

Jaranna
02-02-2006, 12:56 AM
Norrath was an old RPG campaign before it became a game. If I remember correctly, Bill Trost created it. This is where a lot of the old lore comes from. Prexuz with a Z, Innoruuk the god of all the elves, etc. When Verant made EQ, alot of that changed to the official game lore.The EQ2 team has gone back and taken from this, as well. I found Nektropos Castle and Lord Everling, for example, on an old [Removed for Content] site long before EQ2 was announced.

backya
02-02-2006, 01:10 AM
<div></div><p>Well if lucan did have an illusion thing going, why did he decide to keep the scar on his face. Being a necromancer my self i can turn my self into a lich..which is an illusion, although it has a life tap proc and extra damage proc. Keeping this in mind lucan may have never been killed but instead turned into a lich, having the power to draw life or health from anyone he touched or attacked with a spell. Being an evil paladin and or shadowknight, he may have to turn into the skeletal image in order to tap into this power and at the same time give him life. lucan may not be immortal but he may be trying to find out how to be.</p><p>After reading threw these forums for some time there seems to be 2 ways someone can become a god, while I'm not sure if it is true these are my guesses.</p><p>1. Lucan seems to demand the respect of his followers more so than love, he changes history (story wise) to make it out as if he has been the victor of many great battles and decisions. His natural life may be running short and he is in a struggle to build this almighty powerful image of him self, Just like the vampire turned demi god and now runs the sub plane of Blood. Lucan can very well be trying to do the same, and when he does die he will in turn become a demi and or god him self. This is saying if lucan is truly a lich he is just trying to buy time. It seems one cant be a lich without a host body of some sort, i think.</p><p>2. Lucan may be trying, threw ties he has to become a god threw some other method, but well knows the time it would take to find out such things would surpass his natural life. Like the one mortal turned god, who's name evades me at the moment. Lucan seems to have ties to people who 1. Have the means of making portals to travel threw time 2. Seem to not be affected by time (biddy) for example who admits in the peacock quest to have adventured with him in the past and or had some contact with him.</p><p>Lucan is more caught up on image and reputation than anything and the citadel he lives in is almost like nothing I've seen on norath, there are probably clues behind this as well.   </p><p>will check later for errors, but feel free to correct.</p>

AbsentmindedMage
02-02-2006, 01:21 AM
Antonia Bayle believes D'Lere to be a lich.   I once heard her say so during one of the speeches she gave using the statues.  She said that the armor he was wearing was a death shroud.  <div></div>

Rinweth
02-02-2006, 01:24 AM
<div>Maybe he drank from the Ewer of Sul'Dae?</div>

Diern
02-02-2006, 01:38 AM
<div></div><p>Just to throw something more into the mix. I personally believe Lucan is a fallen Paladin turned to the ways of the Shadowknight.</p><p>One big reason I believe this is one of the spells Shadowknights get is called "Lucan's Pact"</p><p>Pre-revamp when this spell was cast (defensive stance) it would turn the shadowknight into a skeleton. they removed the transformation but  still have the spell</p><p>In Everquest Shadowknights  can cast a spell which has a small lich type effect (drains health for mana) while turning you into a skeleton also.</p>

Saber
02-02-2006, 01:55 AM
He is definitely a fallen paladin. From the EQ1 Soulfire quest:<div> </div>"You say, 'Who is Sir Lucan?'Valeron Dushire says 'Lucan is a bad seed. You see, I trained Sir Lucan. He was nothing more than a street rat who was taken in by the Temple of Marr. The priests taught him and found him to be very agile and strong. They requested either the Priests of Marr or the Knights of Truth take him on as a squire. Gygus could not spare the trainers at the time and so we took the boy. The boy became a man, and a very formidable knight. Then something [went awry].'You say, 'What went awry?'Valeron Dushire says 'During one of our crusades into the lands of Norrath, we left Sir Lucan in charge of the remaining knights. He did much good and the people respected him. He was overtaken by power. He soon began to hire mercenaries to guard the city, calling them the Freeport Militia. His true downfall began when he killed Sentry Dillius, a paladin of the Priests of Marr. His divine powers were stripped from his soul. He was a paladin no longer. He and his militia now control the city. They treat it as their playground and bully the populace. Someone must [stop Sir Lucan]."Personally, I believe that Lucan's history goes back further than this. I suspect that he infiltrated the Knights of Truth for the specific purpose of eventually seizing control of Freeport.<div></div>

JShield
02-02-2006, 02:08 AM
<div>The one thing that surprised me in his bio for EQ2 was that he was widowed.  To who I'm not sure but for someone who "turned" and seeks such power it would be good to know how that ties in.  I'm wondering if that had something to do with his path from being a Paladin to a Shadowknight?</div>

Renita_Serafim
02-02-2006, 02:16 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>JShield wrote:<div><strong>The one thing that surprised me in his bio for EQ2 was that he was widowed.  To who I'm not sure</strong> but for someone who "turned" and seeks such power it would be good to know how that ties in.  I'm wondering if that had something to do with his path from being a Paladin to a Shadowknight?</div><hr></blockquote>Does anybody wonder why Lucan and Mayong don't speak to one another anymore? I wonder....

einar4
02-02-2006, 02:21 AM
<div></div><p> </p><p>I'm familiar with the old Soulfire quest too, as its a sore point to me.  I ruined my militia faction as did many others in helping a paladin to attain that sword.   It took some time to rebuild it later. </p><p>Ultimately though, a Lich doesn't have any kind of official "look" its basically from legends about powerful magical creatures that kept their life essences in a bottle somewhere (phylactery) and by preserving it could remain alive forever.  As a matter of fact, the old Gaelic version of "Jack and the Beanstalk" describes the hero being told how to find where the Giant has hidden his heart (he replaced it in his chest with a beehive) and how Jack could kill the giant by breaking the jar it was buried in. </p><p>  With Lucan, in EQ1 you had to kill him, then his undead form, and it may have been an interpretation of Lichdom on the part of the designers.  With occult fantasy, I figure that anything goes as long as you are self consistent and it's interesting.  Clearly D'Lere has attained immortality by some means, and the form of a Lich, or Vampire, or Revenant, makes as much sense as anything else.</p><p> </p>

Za
02-02-2006, 02:39 AM
<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>I doubt he'd have control over vampires. There's nothing else in the game that might suggest such a notion.</div><hr></blockquote>Actually, Necromancers in EQ2 have Vampire pets. Our L60 Scout pets are female Vampires.

Cusashorn
02-02-2006, 02:44 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>I doubt he'd have control over vampires. There's nothing else in the game that might suggest such a notion.</div><hr></blockquote>Actually, Necromancers in EQ2 have Vampire pets. Our L60 Scout pets are female Vampires.<hr></blockquote>That means nothing though.

Za
02-02-2006, 02:48 AM
His bio has him as Immortal, he could very well be some kind of Ancient Vampire of Vampire Hybrid himself. That'd explain his age, resistance to death, charisma, ... etc.Vampires also don't have to look undead, and in most cases don't.

Cusashorn
02-02-2006, 02:52 AM
<div>Nah his story of how he became a Lich if pretty fleshed out in EQlive, specifically through the Soulfire quest itself. Nothing about vampires.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>As for the scar on his face, it's more charismatic to look like you've got a past worth telling about if you're gonna rule over a city of evil races.</div>

Jait
02-02-2006, 04:54 AM
<div></div><div></div><p>Man, Vhalen just had to show up and dangle that in front of us, huh?  :smileytongue:</p><p>It makes me curious as to why Mayong and Lucan would've been friends in the PnP.  It almost sounds like Lucan wasn't a young man even back during EQ1.  Early EQ1 already has Mayong as a pretty powerful immortal looking for more power and having little patience for those beneath him.  What could Lucan have offered him?  Dang it, I'm gonna disregard his whole post before my head spins even further :smileyhappy:</p><p>Message Edited by Jait on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:54 PM</span></p>

Diern
02-02-2006, 05:04 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saberen wrote:He is definitely a fallen paladin.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah that much is obvious but its never truly clear if he is infact a Shadowknight. By all evidence it seems this is the case.</p><p>Im just wondering if his state of undeath is actually part of the Shadowknight path or it is perhaps his punishment from the gods exacted upon him at the time of his "fall from grace"</p><p>Due to some of the traditional Shadowknight abilities. (pact of hate, Lucans pact pre revamp) havng skeletal forms and lich like effects coupled with the necromantic nature of the class would definately support this.</p>

Teak
02-02-2006, 05:35 AM
<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>I'm pretty certain that during the time of EQ1, Lucan was already 500 years old. I was very much into EQ1 lore back when I played it (started in '99). Did *a lot* of lore research back then, *nearly* every quest possible up through Velious expansion. Was going to make a website about Norrathian lore, but after finding so many timeline inconsistencies, I gave up.</p><p>Anyway, I want to know how the Avatar of War got the Soulfire from my friend Tillian. I specifically remember helping him (and others lol) obtain it.</p><p>Message Edited by Teak on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:37 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Teak on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:38 PM</span></p>

Jait
02-02-2006, 07:30 AM
<div></div><p>Yeah, in retrospect I remember hearing that Lucan was in EQOA, which took place 500 years ago iirc.</p><p> </p><p>It's certainly an interesting spin.  Lucan seems to be on the same route Mayong was, in terms of gathering enough people who *believe* he's a God.  Like the DoF rain event.... </p>

Duhulk
02-02-2006, 08:33 AM
<div></div><p>Fun facts on Pen & Paper Lucan</p><p>His original name was Sir Lucan deBoterlere</p><p>His alignment was chaotic good, his class was a Cavalier</p><p> </p><p>...and dear Lucan had a brother. Sir Lamenke.</p><p>In his last will and testiment he left his wings of flying to "Mayong".</p>

Aethelred24
02-02-2006, 01:33 PM
<div></div><p>There is a 3rd major Lich in EQ Lore -</p>Pandos Flintside<p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1087" target="_blank">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=1087</a></p><p> </p><p><img src="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/pandos_flintside.jpg"></p><p> </p><p>How can someone get stuffed with sooo many muffins and live through it and NOT be a lich?</p>

Sonic X
02-02-2006, 02:24 PM
<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Zald wrote:<blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>I doubt he'd have control over vampires. There's nothing else in the game that might suggest such a notion.</div><hr></blockquote>Actually, Necromancers in EQ2 have Vampire pets. Our L60 Scout pets are female Vampires.<hr></blockquote>That means nothing though.<hr></blockquote>It could, the connection i think he is making that:1.)Necromancers get a lich form spell, Lucan is referred to as one.2.)Necromancers summon and control vampires at lvl 60(though i still disagree with the notion of a vampire being controlled since there isn't any lore indicative of it or my opinion that a vampire would be hard to control period IMO).3.)Mayong Mistmoore has some lore connected to Lucan, though its hard to say it's official. And he himself is/was a vampire.4.)The "Lucan's Pact" spell could be considered a lich form along with the necro spell.</span></div><p>Message Edited by Sonic X on <span class="date_text">02-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:25 AM</span></p>

IlionSturmli
02-02-2006, 04:35 PM
<div>Mayong and Lucan are friends? That's interesting! If I remember the story of Mayong Mistmoore right he was said to be one of the most powerful undead in Norrath. Maybe even one of the most powerful beings after the Sleeper.</div><div> </div><div>Maybe he has something to do with Lucans state of undead?</div><div> </div><div>For the fact, that he does not look undead. I think it's an illusion that makes him look human. The trailer where you can see his bones makes me think so.</div><div> </div><div>Also I think there is more to Antonia than we know.</div>

Rinweth
02-02-2006, 05:16 PM
<div></div><div>What DoF rain event? I must have missed that.</div>

Homeskillet
02-02-2006, 08:21 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Malloc wrote:<div></div>It is believed that Fiddy has some how been taken over by the Shadowmen.  In OoLS there is a bunch of scroll cases.  In one of them it has a list of people that have been infiltrated.<hr></blockquote>Fiddy is alive and well in the Peacock Club Tavern <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Though he denies it.

Cusashorn
02-02-2006, 09:05 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Homeskillet wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Malloc wrote:<div></div>It is believed that Fiddy has some how been taken over by the Shadowmen.  In OoLS there is a bunch of scroll cases.  In one of them it has a list of people that have been infiltrated.<hr></blockquote>Fiddy is alive and well in the Peacock Club Tavern <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Though he denies it.<hr></blockquote>No. There's no evidence that proves it's him either though. Lets not derail this topic though.

backya
02-02-2006, 09:41 PM
<div>Not going off topic,  fiddy mentions he had dolls of old aventuring buddys, one being lucan. Now if this guy is sill alive doesnt it make you wonder how all these people around norath are surviving all these years?</div><div> </div><div>Also if there are no gods around then wouldnt it be adandy time to become one your self, whos around to stop you but you peers and technicaly the other gods couldnt stop you till you accualy became a god.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>how do you kill a mortal gone god? throw the moon at em, yuk yuk yuk</div>

Vasharr
02-02-2006, 09:55 PM
<div>Also heard that Lucan was around during the time EQOA takes place. I also read somewhere (believe it was during the development of EQ2, just can't remember where) that Lucan sold his soul to Innoruuk so he'd be immortal.</div>

BlargE
02-02-2006, 10:06 PM
<div></div><p>Arch Lich Udalan, a Skeletal Lich in the Shattered Stillness in Antonica.</p><p>Baron Udalan the Unmerciful was a powerful Warlock in the time before the shattering. With the help of the many scholars under his employ and the force of his own scrying he foresaw the events to come. His relentless drive for power left him determined to survive the disaster, and thus began his descent - or as some would say, rise - to the status of Lich. Unlike most who make the transition, Udalan found it extremely agreeable to his nature. He views the living as insects, believing his undead self superior in every way to his mortal form. While the loss of one's soul proves painful, and often fatal, to most, the fact that Udalan was so cruel in his life seems to have made him ideally suited to exist as one of the undead. Why he has chosen the graveyards of the Shattered Stillness off Antonica as his base of operations is anyone's guess, but for now he keeps mostly to himself.</p><p> </p><p>From eq2players.com news section</p><p> </p>

Hirebra
02-02-2006, 10:07 PM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jaranna wrote:The EQ2 team has gone back and taken from this, as well. I found Nektropos Castle and Lord Everling, for example, on an old [Removed for Content] site long before EQ2 was announced.<hr></blockquote>This one?<a href="http://www.[Removed for Content].com/silentredemption/EQalmanac.htm" target="_blank">http://www.[Removed for Content].com/silentredemption/EQalmanac.htm</a>Very cool!<font size="1">cache for future referencehttp://web.archive.org/web/20050212073059/http://www.[Removed for Content].com/silentredemption/EQalmanac.htm</font></span></div>

backya
02-02-2006, 10:36 PM
<div>could the items a mob drop have anything to do with their nature orlore, i know archlich drops alot of mastery items, IE. items thatmake you 1 level higher in you profession.</div>

Cusashorn
02-02-2006, 10:47 PM
<div>Hmm. That's one thing to think about...</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Does a monster's probability to drop Master spells directly relate his importance to the world?</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>For some NPC's yes, but for others, like creatures who drop low level master spells, I doubt it.</div><div> </div><div>Mainly NPC's who already have a pre-existing history anyway.</div>

Vaulkh
02-03-2006, 10:46 AM
   Regarding His Evilness, it's been mentioned several times that there Fiddy made dolls of several of his buddies.What if those dolls are the key, acting a kind of phylactery/Horcrux/miscellaneous-wotsit-of-immortality. Am I right in thinking (still a newbie, haven't got too far into the world lore section) that all the people who have dolls are still alive?<div></div>

sostrows
02-07-2006, 08:25 AM
We have all been fooled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Go check out Lucan in the new Ruins revamp since LU19.His statue has a Paladin buff on it 8-(I bet since QN knew there had to be evil, they decided to make a puppet ruler, put Lucan in charge, so they could keep tabs on what FP does.I'm depressed, gonna go infest some farmers.<div></div>

AbsentmindedMage
02-08-2006, 03:55 PM
D'Lere is a Lich.  You have what Antonia Bayle says about his armor being a death shroud and she comes right out and says he is a Lich.  You also have this pretty cool image from the game trailer which temporarily shows Lucan's true form?<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/icarus137/dlere.jpg"><div></div>

Cusashorn
02-08-2006, 09:04 PM
<div>Its true. Once you kill Lucan in EQlive for the Soulfire quest, you gotta kill him again in Skeleton form.</div>

Vaulkh
02-08-2006, 11:01 PM
Ok, he's a liche. It explains how he survived the last 500 years (and X zillion raiding parties clonking him over the head). I still say that doll is the phylactery though.<div></div>

Vhalen
02-09-2006, 12:03 AM
<div></div>Is he a liche? Could he be nothing more than an Overlord bound to a curse? Could he be something not seen on Norrath in ages? Could he be nothing, but a long line of look-alike puppet rulers? Believe me, those in Freeport that wondered such things often wind up missing. One thing is for sure, the secret behind who or what Lucan truly is can most likely be found in Dethknell Citadel. The only people allowed in there are those unholy Lucanic Knights.

Jezekie
02-09-2006, 12:21 AM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>Is he a liche? Could he be nothing more than an Overlord bound to a curse? Could he be something not seen on Norrath in ages? Could he be nothing, but a long line of look-alike puppet rulers? Believe me, those in Freeport that wondered such things often wind up missing. One thing is for sure, the secret behind who or what Lucan truly is can most likely be found in Dethknell Citadel. The only people allowed in there are those unholy Lucanic Knights.<hr></blockquote>So, where does one sign up to become a Lucanic Knight? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

Renita_Serafim
02-09-2006, 12:25 AM
<div><u></u><blockquote><hr>Jezekiell wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>Is he a liche? Could he be nothing more than an Overlord bound to a curse? Could he be something not seen on Norrath in ages? Could he be nothing, but a long line of look-alike puppet rulers? Believe me, those in Freeport that wondered such things often wind up missing. One thing is for sure, the secret behind who or what Lucan truly is can most likely be found in Dethknell Citadel. The only people allowed in there are those unholy Lucanic Knights.<hr></blockquote>So, where does one sign up to become a Lucanic Knight? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div><hr></blockquote>Right here...</div><div><strong><u></u></strong> </div><div><strong><u>Lucanic Knight Application Form:</u></strong></div><div><strong><u></u></strong> </div><ol><li><strong>Name:</strong></li><li><strong>Race:</strong></li><li><strong>Reason for applying:</strong></li><li><strong>Evil deeds you have commited in the past:</strong></li><li><strong>Number of kills in the Overlord's name:</strong></li><li><strong>Number of kills in your own name:</strong></li></ol>

Terrak
02-09-2006, 01:30 AM
Does Lucan comply with affirmative action and the Norrathians with Disabilities acts?<div></div>

Renita_Serafim
02-09-2006, 01:34 AM
<div><blockquote><hr>Terrak wrote:Does Lucan comply with affirmative action and the Norrathians with Disabilities acts?<div><hr></div></blockquote></div><p> </p><p>Overlord Lucan D'Lere will hire the undead, but no other disabilties are allowed within the Citadel, as they are a liability that Overlord D'Lere is not willing to tolerate.</p>

Rashaak
02-09-2006, 01:53 AM
<div>It is Innoruuk! He was always jealous and hateful of the other gods, and their creations. It wouldn't be surprising if he disguised himself as a human ruler. He was very charismatic and lived off the hate other's had for him. Would explain why the Tier'dal have their own sect of the city, and why he has a Tier'dal "mistress" or "assistant".</div><div>It wouldn't be surprising that the original Lucan was infact killed by Innoruuk which would be the reason why when the Knights of Truth returned, Lucan was so different than before.</div><div>Reading the background of both Innoruuk and D'lere, they almost seem similar in away. It would be just like Innoruuk to toy with the mortals of Norrath like this as well. Especially knowing the other gods had left and/or taken their influence away.</div>

Wilin
02-09-2006, 02:10 AM
<div></div>I have a title bestowed upon me by our Overlord and a nifty letter from him detailing my service in his name. Does that get me past the doorman at Deathknell Citadel?

Wilin
02-09-2006, 02:18 AM
<div></div><div></div><div>Oh yeah, I can do Unholy and enjoy it. My title should get me into the Lucanic category. And I'm a guardian so the Knight part is covered. That = Unholy Lucanic Knight. I'm not on some mission of subversion or deceipt, I just want to do our Overlord's bidding and maybe get a 1 room apartment in the sky...and my own dark elf mistress.</div><p>Message Edited by Wilin on <span class="date_text">02-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:19 PM</span></p>

ArivenGemini
02-09-2006, 02:19 AM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>AbsentmindedMage wrote:D'Lere is a Lich.  You have what Antonia Bayle says about his armor being a death shroud and she comes right out and says he is a Lich.  You also have this pretty cool image from the game trailer which temporarily shows Lucan's true form?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, but Antonia still thinks we are suffering under the plague and rambles on and on about night soil in the streets.. I dont count her as a credible source..</span></div>

Cusashorn
02-09-2006, 02:22 AM
<div><blockquote><hr>Ariven wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>AbsentmindedMage wrote:D'Lere is a Lich.  You have what Antonia Bayle says about his armor being a death shroud and she comes right out and says he is a Lich.  You also have this pretty cool image from the game trailer which temporarily shows Lucan's true form?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, but Antonia still thinks we are suffering under the plague and rambles on and on about night soil in the streets.. I dont count her as a credible source..</span></div><hr></blockquote>^ They're not going to remove Heather Graham's voice from the game just because it was for an event that happened long ago. Get over it.</div>

Renita_Serafim
02-09-2006, 02:26 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div><blockquote>^ They're not going to remove Heather Graham's voice from the game just because it was for an event that happened long ago. Get over it.</blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, 'cause it's obvious that SOE can no longer afford to pay Heather Graham or Christopher Lee for voice talent in the game anymore, and they want to have neither the two city rulers being mute or to pay up for new voice actors who can do passable impersonations of their predecessors.

Finn
02-09-2006, 04:24 AM
<div></div>Vhalen's comment on puppet rulers actually brought something to mind.  Anyone who has done the Qeynos to Freeport betrayal should know what I mean.  At the very end of the quest some comments are made by your character and the betrayal NPC to sugest that he is the one that holds real power in the city of Freeport.  If I remembered the conversation or wording exactly I would write it, but I don't.  Anyone remember anything more?

Renita_Serafim
02-09-2006, 04:34 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Finn03 wrote:<div></div><p>Vhalen's comment on puppet rulers actually brought something to mind.  Anyone who has done the Qeynos to Freeport betrayal should know what I mean.  At the very end of the quest some comments are made by your character and the betrayal NPC to sugest that he is the one that holds real power in the city of Freeport.  If I remembered the conversation or wording exactly I would write it, but I don't.  Anyone remember anything more?</p><hr><p>It's times like this that I wish I'd converted that scene into fanfiction format along with the Antonia Bayle scene. I can remember Matthias Seigemaker saying something like "look inside your heart. Then you'll know who I am", or something like that.</p></blockquote>

Wilin
02-09-2006, 04:39 AM
<div></div>Does Matthias look anything like Mayong Mistmoore? (Really tall dark elf)

Renita_Serafim
02-09-2006, 04:46 AM
<div>No, Matthias is human.</div>

troodon311
02-09-2006, 05:11 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>The only people allowed in there are those unholy Lucanic Knights.<hr></blockquote><p>Ah-huh... and, as a Shadow Knight with the title Ritsar, do I <em>not</em> qualify as an unholy Lucanic Knight? :smileyhappy:</p>

ArivenGemini
02-09-2006, 06:00 AM
<div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ariven wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>AbsentmindedMage wrote:D'Lere is a Lich.  You have what Antonia Bayle says about his armor being a death shroud and she comes right out and says he is a Lich.  You also have this pretty cool image from the game trailer which temporarily shows Lucan's true form?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, but Antonia still thinks we are suffering under the plague and rambles on and on about night soil in the streets.. I dont count her as a credible source..</span></div><hr></blockquote>^ They're not going to remove Heather Graham's voice from the game just because it was for an event that happened long ago. Get over it.</div><hr></blockquote>Wow, such vehemenance.. one would think you have a crush on Heather Graham or something...   maybe you need to take a break Cusa, you are taking a casual conversaion -waaaay- to serious here <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

masterwho
02-09-2006, 06:30 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rashaak wrote:<div>It is Innoruuk! He was always jealous and hateful of the other gods, and their creations. It wouldn't be surprising if he disguised himself as a human ruler. He was very charismatic and lived off the hate other's had for him. Would explain why the Tier'dal have their own sect of the city, and why he has a Tier'dal "mistress" or "assistant".</div><div>It wouldn't be surprising that the original Lucan was infact killed by Innoruuk which would be the reason why when the Knights of Truth returned, Lucan was so different than before.</div><div>Reading the background of both Innoruuk and D'lere, they almost seem similar in away. It would be just like Innoruuk to toy with the mortals of Norrath like this as well. Especially knowing the other gods had left and/or taken their influence away.</div><hr></blockquote>What?? That is madness! You know how much hate he would have to create JUST to be able to stand being on our plane??? He would have to do alot of stuff, like.. make Erudites and Kerra live together, and make Trolls stop eatting gnomes! and make the proud Iksars live with a race that was created by the 'twins'!!! Oh...wait.. uh.. nevermind...

Finn
02-09-2006, 06:31 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Astralmage wrote:<div></div><blockquote><p>I can remember Matthias Seigemaker saying something like "look inside your heart. Then you'll know who I am", or something like that.</p></blockquote><hr></blockquote><p> </p><p>It is something a lot like that Astralmage.  I remember right before that your character asks him if he is the Overlord.  After he replies, with what you wrote, your character instantly becomes very respectful, as if you are talking to a god, and bows.  That instance of divine respect really makes it seem like something else is going on here.</p>

Vi
02-09-2006, 05:50 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Vhalen wrote:<div></div>The only people allowed in there are those unholy Lucanic Knights.<hr></blockquote>Hello, im here to clean the pool

Vaulkh
02-10-2006, 06:08 AM
   Perhaps that should be rephrased a little: The only people allowed back out are the Lucanic Knights.<div></div>

Suta
02-10-2006, 09:25 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>galacticdude wrote:<div></div>I read someplace that lucan was a Lich. Is this true? If its not true, how did he live for so long. Did he do something to give himself eternal life?<hr></blockquote><p>Yes in some strange form or manner.  In EQ1 when you slew him, he immediately rose up again in a skeletal form and continued to attack you.</p><p> </p>

AbsentmindedMage
02-15-2006, 09:55 AM
Who was the Avatar of Hate?  The other gods seemed to create avatars before they left the planes.  That comment you mentioned about Lucan saying soulfire has always been his and has found its true place makes me wonder.  In any case, he is certainly more than any man.<div></div>

Cusashorn
02-15-2006, 12:34 PM
<blockquote><hr>AbsentmindedMage wrote:Who was the Avatar of Hate?  The other gods seemed to create avatars before they left the planes.  That comment you mentioned about Lucan saying soulfire has always been his and has found its true place makes me wonder.  In any case, he is certainly more than any man.<div></div><hr></blockquote>There is none. The only gods who left thier Avatars on Norrath were Karana and Quellious.

AbsentmindedMage
02-15-2006, 03:16 PM
<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<blockquote><hr>AbsentmindedMage wrote:Who was the Avatar of Hate?  The other gods seemed to create avatars before they left the planes.  That comment you mentioned about Lucan saying soulfire has always been his and has found its true place makes me wonder.  In any case, he is certainly more than any man.<hr></blockquote>There is none. The only gods who left thier Avatars on Norrath were Karana and Quellious.<hr></blockquote>I thought that green cloud was the avatar of fear and there was the avatar of tactics and avatar of solesk ro. the avatar of brell was the one that opened the fissure and swallowed up most of the orcs.EDIT:  I went back and looked through the lore section at the Tome of Destiny and found these:</span><hr size="2" width="100%"><span>"</span>Niffet drew close to his leader. "What is that creature?""The Avatar of Flame," the ranger replied. "The chosen of Solusek Ro."<span></span><hr size="2" width="100%"><hr size="2" width="100%">"Who dares speak to me this way?" hissed the Avatar of Flame."The one who will make you pay for looting the dens of Brell's creations!" answered the voice. "In your hunger for power you sought to consume the entire world, but now it is you who will be devoured!"......"So you think the Avatar of Below has turned the tide, monk? I will show you that the power of Zek cannot be denied!""So you think the Avatar of Below has turned the tide, monk? I will show you that the power of Zek cannot be denied!"The monk circled the massive being, fists clenched. "It was the pride and ignorance of your own armies that led to their downfall. Urduuk defiled the Temple of Cazic-Thule and made an enemy of the Avatar of Fear, while the enslavement of the gnolls caused Brell's avatar to strike back at the orcs. Now all that remains is to put an end to you."<hr size="2" width="100%"><a target="_blank" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_09">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/lore.vm?section=chapter_09</a><span></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by AbsentmindedMage on <span class="date_text">02-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:39 AM</span></p>

Cusashorn
02-15-2006, 08:15 PM
Yes, You did read that correctly, however, only 2 of those 5 still exist, which is why I did not mention them.

AbsentmindedMage
02-16-2006, 12:30 AM
<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:Yes, You did read that correctly, however, only 2 of those 5 still exist, which is why I did not mention them.<hr></blockquote>Okay, but that isnt true.    It is true the Avatar of Flames was extinguished.  But nothing happenned to the Avatar of Below (Brell's Avatar)  and the Avatar of Fear in the Tome of Destiny.   I do not see in the story where they died.Anyway, I still believe Lucan to be a Lich.  I was just entertaining the idea like someone above did about him possibly being an avatar of one of the gods. </span><div></div><p>Message Edited by AbsentmindedMage on <span class="date_text">02-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:30 AM</span></p>

Cusashorn
02-16-2006, 12:38 AM
<div>I never said they died. They don't exist anymore as far as they want us to know.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>The Greenmist disappeared and so did the Avatar of Fear's voice with it.</div><div> </div><div>So did the Avatar of Below. It came and went in a moment's notice.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Heck, neither of them would have came to be if the Zek army didn't defile CT's temple or force the gnolls to fight with them. So in a sense, they weren't important.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>And it's been proven that Lucan is a Lich, through numerous sources, including his description on the EQ2 website, so there's... terribly not too much more to say about that issue.</div>

troodon311
02-16-2006, 11:10 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>AbsentmindedMage wrote:<div></div><span>I thought that green cloud was the avatar of fear </span><hr></blockquote><p>The Greenmist wasn't actually the Avatar of Fear, it was just released by him (and he spoke through it).</p>

IlionSturmli
02-16-2006, 07:38 PM
<div></div><div>So on the SOE Page Lucan is Lich. So what? He says he's somekind of godlike being. I say he's a clockwork made by the Gnomes as a part of there plan to conquer the world. And I know a Gnome who claims Lucan is the evil twin of Antonia Bayle, after some "minor changes".</div><div> </div><div>Everyone tells his own story, maybe one day we will find the truth.</div><p>Message Edited by IlionSturmlied on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:39 AM</span></p>

-Arctura-
02-19-2006, 09:30 AM
<div></div>Lucan made a pact with the Dismal Rage which gave him Immortality (or Longevity extending far beyond Human years), at the cost of his Soul.I'm guessing he also enjoys visually demonstrating his powers in a fancy eye-popping way, skeleton-showing through in a flash of light, etc.Here's a good one, why did Lucan drop his extended Last-name?It originally was Lucan Debotere'Lere !or something of the sort<div></div><p>Message Edited by -Arctura- on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:34 PM</span></p>

Cusashorn
02-19-2006, 11:14 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>-Arctura- wrote:<div></div>It originally was Lucan Debotere'Lere !or something of the sort<div></div><p>Message Edited by -Arctura- on <span class="date_text">02-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:34 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yeah didn't the developer mention that earlier in this thread?

JudeMorrig
02-21-2006, 04:23 AM
<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Teak wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>I'm pretty certain that during the time of EQ1, Lucan was already 500 years old. I was very much into EQ1 lore back when I played it (started in '99). Did *a lot* of lore research back then, *nearly* every quest possible up through Velious expansion. Was going to make a website about Norrathian lore, but after finding so many timeline inconsistencies, I gave up.</p><p>Anyway, I want to know how the Avatar of War got the Soulfire from my friend Tillian. I specifically remember helping him (and others lol) obtain it.</p><p>Message Edited by Teak on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:37 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Teak on <span class="date_text">02-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:38 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Lucan was definitely not 500 years old during the EQ1 timeframe.  If you talked to Tholius Quey up at the top of the Temple of Marr in NFP, you could actually get a bona fide date out of him for the Crusade of Tears, and it was only 20 years or so earlier than the date /time gave you when the servers came up.  Plus there are several people over at the Hall of Truth such as Valeron Dushire who knew D'Lere when he was a boy.Hmmm, I'm having a hard time tracking down Quey's text (which isnt surprising as there weren't any quests associated with it), but this site has Dushire's:<a target="_blank" href="http://www.gamesnet.org/KyrosKrane/Paladin/SoulFire/">http://www.gamesnet.org/KyrosKrane/Paladin/SoulFire/</a>Which at the very least implies that sort of a timeframe, with Dushire having known Lucan when he was a street rat.I do find the idea of Lucan knowing Mistmoore very interesting, especially considering that the Crusade of Tears had to have been, by all measures, an abject failure.  There are many words one could use to describe the Faydwer, but cleansed of the undead would not be one of them.  I wonder if the twin gods might have called the Crusade specifically because they realized that Mistmoore was getting to the point where he was getting to be a bona fide threat.  And I wonder how Lucan's treachery might have effected how things went down.  I can think of several likely possibilities, but don't really want to get to the point of babbling fan-fic, which is pretty much what I'd be doing.  :p</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by JudeMorrigan on <span class="date_text">02-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:25 PM</span></p>

vikingthug
02-23-2006, 07:11 PM
<div><font color="#66ff00"></font></div><font color="#66ff00"><strong>Ok, I really enjoy the whole lore aspect, and now Im insanely currious.  Where is this Citadel?  Can you actually see it from any particular point in Freeport?  My main is a SK, albiet a Gnome SK, but still.  I would love to read more on this place, and maybe see some depictions of it if possible.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.</strong></font>

Alevyan
03-13-2006, 12:53 AM
In order to see the Dethknell Citadell, simply stand anywhere in freeport and tild your Camera angle.. up. The giant rotating spire which looms over Freeport is the Dethknell Citadel.<div></div>

Lings
04-06-2006, 04:04 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>sostrows wrote:We have all been fooled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Go check out Lucan in the new Ruins revamp since LU19.His statue has a Paladin buff on it 8-(I bet since QN knew there had to be evil, they decided to make a puppet ruler, put Lucan in charge, so they could keep tabs on what FP does.I'm depressed, gonna go infest some farmers.<div></div><hr></blockquote>SO? I'm gonna have to say that's a useless post.... You see, that is merely an annoying bug, like the fact that the %r command lists targetable terrain objects as humans, harvest nodes as barbarians, the fact that there's a hailable stump in CL "Hail, A Stump", <strong>Queen Antonia Bayle's statues (iirc) has an</strong> <strong><font color="#cc0000">illusionist</font> buff on her,</strong> you can hail the orc tents. and many many more

Lings
04-06-2006, 04:32 AM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>IlionSturmlied wrote:<div></div><div>So on the SOE Page Lucan is Lich. So what? He says he's somekind of godlike being. I say he's a clockwork made by the Gnomes as a part of there plan to conquer the world. And I know a Gnome who claims Lucan is the evil twin of Antonia Bayle, after some "minor changes".</div><div> </div><div>Everyone tells his own story, maybe one day we will find the truth.</div><p>Message Edited by IlionSturmlied on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:39 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah? I hear that he's married to Antonia Bayle, and she's actually undercover in Freeport to... destroy cheese... or something (crazy lady in Beggar's Court)</p>

Tomanak
04-07-2006, 08:57 PM
<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lingsch wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>IlionSturmlied wrote:<div></div><div>So on the SOE Page Lucan is Lich. So what? He says he's somekind of godlike being. I say he's a clockwork made by the Gnomes as a part of there plan to conquer the world. And I know a Gnome who claims Lucan is the evil twin of Antonia Bayle, after some "minor changes".</div><div> </div><div>Everyone tells his own story, maybe one day we will find the truth.</div><p>Message Edited by IlionSturmlied on <span class="date_text">02-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:39 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah? I hear that he's married to Antonia Bayle, and she's actually undercover in Freeport to... destroy cheese... or something (crazy lady in Beggar's Court)</p><hr></blockquote>Oh no..not the cheese....

xTaintedsoulx
04-09-2006, 11:49 PM
<img src="http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/7361/overlord3da.jpg">Yep he's a Lich alrightSave the Cheese! Stop here before its too late!<div></div>

Copperhed
04-25-2006, 07:48 PM
<div></div>Jaranna wrote: <hr size="2" width="100%">I would say the most obvious conclusion is that Lucan is maintaining some sort of very powerful illusion, or he is able to regenerate his body, most likely through necromancy, and most likely via his assistant. <b>The afore-mentioned trailer has her protrayed as a necromancer</b>. <hr size="2" width="100%"> i'd like to point out that, unless SOE used an exact lookalike later in the trailer (which im sure is entirely possible), what appears to be said assistant shows up a little bit later in the trailer in a lavastorm-esque battle and casts a warlock root on another character. i'm also honestly curious, since i have no necromancer, (i wouldn't recognize the subtle signs myself), so im wondering how you came to the necromancer conclusion. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Copperhed on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 AM</span>

Axxon
04-25-2006, 08:39 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Copperhed wrote:<BR> <P> im wondering how you came to the necromancer conclusion. <BR><BR>Message Edited by Copperhed on <SPAN class=date_text>04-25-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:49 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Based on the animation, she casts Grasp on that metro-looking human warrior - necro spell.

Copperhed
04-26-2006, 12:01 AM
ahh ok. ive not seen that animation before, except from the warlocks group root. makes sense tho <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> thanks <div></div>

Cayden
11-10-2007, 07:48 AM
Perhaps everyone is reading a bit too much into his story.  Mayong and Lucan were two characters from the original pen and paper campaign.  I believe these to be completely seperate entities from the ones we know.  The Everquest characters were more than likely molded after these predecessors as homage to the original creators.  On Page 88 of the <i>Everquest Companion, </i>you will find the original character sheet for Lucan, who was played by Anthony (Tony) Garcia (Hello, Vhalen!).  The reference to Mayong is noted in his will at the bottom, "All magic items to Ravenloft Vaults, wings of flying to Mayong."  Now, Ravenloft is a known setting for vampires and their ilk.  Perhaps this was the genesis for Mayong.  As for Lucan living as long as he has, well why speculate?  He is an icon that will remain a part of Everquest, even after his demise (which we may never see).  I roleplay a human brigand wearing Freeport Militia armor and run a roleplaying guild that is fiercely devoted to Lucan and Freeport.  Until Mr. Garcia or his developmental heirs decide to shed more light on the subject, we may never know <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />