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Bevyn
02-17-2005, 08:38 PM
Now, depending on your age, you probably have some major events that you can recall where / when that happened. Generations before mine may have asked "where were you when you heard JFK was shot?" I had "the challenger disaster." For my kid brother, it was CNN's announcement that the ground war had started in desert storm (I was over there, but for the kids back home with family there, it was a "world event"). Perhaps the shuttle Columbia disaster was one for you too...Anyway, in EQ2, I'm told of one event which seems to have happened recent enough to be a defining moment for all characters- the Shattering of Luclin. It is our "social icebreaker" - an event we all should have experienced- "what were you doing when you learned of Luclin?" Even if you were "too young to remember," it should be an event that shaped your life.The problem is... I don't have very clear timeline on how long ago this happened. When I've asked the resident forum lore-masters, I get suggestions ranging from 5-50 years ago, with many suggesting roughly 15 years ago.This makes a big difference in how my 30-year old halasian experienced this event. Was he the emerging man in his teens? A child at his mother's side? A young man possibly courting his love? I can make something up, but the difference even 5 years makes changes the entire situation.So, does anyone know with any certainty- <b>How long ago did the shattering happen? Is your estimate a guess, or can you cite an official source?</b><p>Message Edited by Bevyn on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:39 AM</span>

Kamimura
02-17-2005, 08:54 PM
<DIV>The shattering was 10 to 15 years ago. (Most call it an even 12 when writing stories.) Moorguard said the 10-15 years on the beta boards, however seeing as those were wiped when the game came out I cant quote it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:55 AM</span>

Bevyn
02-17-2005, 08:58 PM
<blockquote><hr>Kamimura wrote:<DIV>The shattering was 10 to 15 years ago. (Most call it an even 12 when writing stories.) Moorguard said the 10-15 years on the beta boards, however seeing as those were wiped when the game came out I cant quote it.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Kamimura on <span class=date_text>02-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:55 AM</span><hr></blockquote>Much appreciated. That gives me a comfortable range to pin it down.

Aion
02-17-2005, 10:36 PM
There are actually some little contradictions to the 15 year timeline.Specifically in the Kerath Smoothmane stories - In 'The breaking of the pact' It talks about how the shattering killed the tribal leaders of the giants and centaurs and then sent them into 'several years of open warfare' before Kerath took control of the centaurs when he just acheived 'breeding' age. In "Winter comes" the author talkes about how old Kerath and his two sons looked, and commented on the fact that he personally has traveled with Kerath for close to 10 years. The author conludes that it is Kerath's Grandson, Zair that leads the centaurs now.Summary is that 4 centaur generations have come and ruled since the shattering.Of course, these volumes also state that Kerath was "chief of the Baelazern tribe of centaurs in the Commonlands", so take that for what its worth.

Bevyn
02-18-2005, 01:34 AM
<blockquote><hr>Aion wrote:There are actually some little contradictions to the 15 year timeline.Specifically in the Kerath Smoothmane stories - In 'The breaking of the pact' It talks about how the shattering killed the tribal leaders of the giants and centaurs and then sent them into 'several years of open warfare' before Kerath took control of the centaurs when he just acheived 'breeding' age. In "Winter comes" the author talkes about how old Kerath and his two sons looked, and commented on the fact that he personally has traveled with Kerath for close to 10 years. The author conludes that it is Kerath's Grandson, Zair that leads the centaurs now.Summary is that 4 centaur generations have come and ruled since the shattering.Of course, these volumes also state that Kerath was "chief of the Baelazern tribe of centaurs in the Commonlands", so take that for what its worth.<hr></blockquote>Interesting.It's that kind of inconsistency I was trying to avoid in my tales, but if there are even problems with official lore, I guess the "best guess" estimate is the best I can do.

Bucksno
02-18-2005, 03:57 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aion wrote:<BR>There are actually some little contradictions to the 15 year timeline.<BR><BR>Specifically in the Kerath Smoothmane stories - In 'The breaking of the pact' It talks about how the shattering killed the tribal leaders of the giants and centaurs and then sent them into 'several years of open warfare' before Kerath took control of the centaurs when he just acheived 'breeding' age. In "Winter comes" the author talkes about how old Kerath and his two sons looked, and commented on the fact that he personally has traveled with Kerath for close to 10 years. The author conludes that it is Kerath's Grandson, Zair that leads the centaurs now.<BR><BR>Summary is that 4 centaur generations have come and ruled since the shattering.<BR><BR>Of course, these volumes also state that Kerath was "chief of the Baelazern tribe of centaurs in the Commonlands", so take that for what its worth.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><BR><BR>Why is this an inconsistency or a contradiction? It is entirely possible that centaurs have a very similar reproductive timeline to horses. I would even imagine, disturbing as it is, that the reproductive organs themselves are similar. A horse comes into accepted breeding age at around 4 years old. </P> <P>So lets say... </P> <P>- Kerath is a yearling colt when the Shattering happens.</P> <P>- Several years of open warfare take place Post-shattering, Kerath takes control at 4 or 5 years old</P> <P>- Kerath has a sons, one of which has a son himself, Zair. 4 years for the first son to be old enough to have Zair and Zair as we see him is at least 3 or more.</P> <P> </P> <P>5 + 4 + 3 = 12 years since the Shattering. </P></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kajir
02-18-2005, 04:33 AM
Interesting point <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I suppose the inconsistency comes from our own preconceptions of the sentience of centaurs, because they appear half human, and are intelligent, thereby making us perhaps think that they have at least human lifespans and maturity rates, or perhaps even longer, in line with half-elves, because they are magical creatures.Then again, you may very well be correct. I can't quote a source, but have read many player writings that use 12 years ... of course, years have passed in game time since release ... I started my character's diary in 3721 game time (which was a couple weeks after release) and the time I checked (about 90 minutes ago) it was Firstchill 8, 3726. Is game time something that you (speaking to the original poster here) considered?

Daeanor
02-20-2005, 06:04 PM
Real life has lots of inconsistancies in written history as well, but the centaur thing kind of looks like a mistake <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.The thing to remember is the Nexus was assaulted by Rallos and Solusek Ro 500 years prior to EQ2. Lots of natural disasters also happened, and some massive wars - like the rise and fall of the Rallosian empire, and all that went with it. The actual shattering was supposed to be the most recent and catastrophic event, but it wasn't by any means the only disaster to strike Norrath since the invasion on Luclin.

Bevyn
02-21-2005, 09:53 PM
<blockquote><hr>Daeanor wrote:Real life has lots of inconsistancies in written history as well, but the centaur thing kind of looks like a mistake <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.The thing to remember is the Nexus was assaulted by Rallos and Solusek Ro 500 years prior to EQ2. Lots of natural disasters also happened, and some massive wars - like the rise and fall of the Rallosian empire, and all that went with it. The actual shattering was supposed to be the most recent and catastrophic event, but it wasn't by any means the only disaster to strike Norrath since the invasion on Luclin.<hr></blockquote>Understandable, but as a 15-year recent event, this is potentially the only disaster to happen within the lives of all the player characters, regardless of race.This makes it a critically-defining moment that would have a memorable impact on almost anyone in-game. If it happened even 10 years earlier, then the majority of PC's from shorter-lived races (like man) would have no recollection of the event- they were either too young or born afterward.In this particular instance, a difference of 10 years means alot.Example: I'll confess my age: born 1971. Born after the moon landing, I shared no recollection of it- and neither did most kids 5-6 years my senior. However, we recall the 1986 shuttle disaster. My brother, only 5 at the time, does not recall either. He barely remembers the berlin wall falling, as it didn't register as an achievement to that age.Luclin is a shared "moment" that affected everybody alive at the time- if for nothing else than a "holy s**t" moment they will always remember. At 15 years, everyone over 20 would recall where they were and what happened locally. At 25 years, well, many characters weren't born or were too young to recall.

Myrkl
02-21-2005, 10:05 PM
<DIV>There is at least one inconsistency in the fact that many elves of all 3 kinds could be old enough to remember the Assault on Luclin, yet it is assumed that characters are teenagers. Who is to say that the Myrklan I play in EQ2 isnt the same one who was in EQ and that part of our punishment for affronting the gods was our current weakness?</DIV>

Bucksno
02-23-2005, 04:03 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Myrklan wrote:<BR> <DIV>There is at least one inconsistency in the fact that many elves of all 3 kinds could be old enough to remember the Assault on Luclin, yet it is assumed that characters are teenagers. Who is to say that the Myrklan I play in EQ2 isnt the same one who was in EQ and that part of our punishment for affronting the gods was our current weakness?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's nothing in the lore that prevents you from playing your elf as if he was the same one you played in EQ1 nor does the game assume you are a teenager. Many races, like gnomes, can be created with an "elderly" look to them. Only game mechanics requires you to start over as far as levels go. You can explain that however you feel you need to for your character but the lore does not prevent your long lived elf from exisiting and therefore there is no inconsistancy as you describe it.</DIV>

BLOODka
02-23-2005, 06:33 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Bevyn wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Daeanor wrote:<BR>Real life has lots of inconsistancies in written history as well, but the centaur thing kind of looks like a mistake <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<BR><BR>The thing to remember is the Nexus was assaulted by Rallos and Solusek Ro 500 years prior to EQ2. Lots of natural disasters also happened, and some massive wars - like the rise and fall of the Rallosian empire, and all that went with it. The actual shattering was supposed to be the most recent and catastrophic event, but it wasn't by any means the only disaster to strike Norrath since the invasion on Luclin.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Understandable, but as a 15-year recent event, this is potentially the only disaster to happen within the lives of all the player characters, regardless of race.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Not true, some EQLive NPC's are still around (besides Lucan) in EverQuest2.  Kizdean Gix for one. Many races live hundreds of years, so really, some characters from EverQuest 1 can be the same as in EQ2.</DIV>

Bevyn
02-23-2005, 07:36 PM
<blockquote><hr>BLOODkane wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Bevyn wrote:<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Daeanor wrote:<BR>Real life has lots of inconsistancies in written history as well, but the centaur thing kind of looks like a mistake <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<BR><BR>The thing to remember is the Nexus was assaulted by Rallos and Solusek Ro 500 years prior to EQ2. Lots of natural disasters also happened, and some massive wars - like the rise and fall of the Rallosian empire, and all that went with it. The actual shattering was supposed to be the most recent and catastrophic event, but it wasn't by any means the only disaster to strike Norrath since the invasion on Luclin.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Understandable, but as a 15-year recent event, this is potentially the only disaster to happen within the lives of all the player characters, regardless of race.<BR><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><DIV>Not true, some EQLive NPC's are still around (besides Lucan) in EverQuest2.  Kizdean Gix for one. Many races live hundreds of years, so really, some characters from EverQuest 1 can be the same as in EQ2.</DIV><hr></blockquote>There's a post here that lists the average and max ages of the races, and yes, a few could conceivably have been here from EQ1. However, my statement was this is "probably the only disaster to happen within the lives of all the player characters."An event say... 50 years ago would be beyond the normal memories of many- if not most- PC humans, barbarains, erudites (I think) and many of the other shorter-lived races. I don't know all the racial names, but I'd bet that most PC characters are at least out of their teens, meaning they were born before Luclin, and therefore would share some recollection of it.

Redbed
02-26-2005, 06:10 PM
<DIV>All else fails you can just sidestep the time issue with the explanation that you traveled multi-dimensionally.  Since the EQ2 Universe is a Parrallel universe and not a post dated version of the EQ1 universe all bets are off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> I personally roleplayed leaving the Planes of Power and ending up in COH Paragon City.  When I left there (Via one of their very very handy Interdimensional portals) I found myself in this seemingly familier universe.   All my knowledge of events are second hand and recounts of witnesses and books.</DIV>

BLOODka
02-26-2005, 09:34 PM
<DIV>Do you even understand what parrallel universe is?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 *IS* EQ1's future, the only reason it is PARALLEL is because it is happening while EQ1 is still around. It is EQ1's future only happening at the same time EQ1 is still around. It would be like if there were a game based on 1940's America and one based on 2000's America released at the same time, one is the future to the other but they are happening at the same time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THAT is what was meant by parallel universe, same one, just happening at the same time as the other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe you need to understand somthing before making comments on it.</DIV>

Bevyn
02-27-2005, 07:50 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 *IS* EQ1's future, the only reason it is PARALLEL is because it is happening while EQ1 is still around. It is EQ1's future only happening at the same time EQ1 is still around. It would be like if there were a game based on 1940's America and one based on 2000's America released at the same time, one is the future to the other but they are happening at the same time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THAT is what was meant by parallel universe, same one, just happening at the same time as the other.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe you need to understand somthing before making comments on it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not quite.</P> <P>Think of the last EQ1 release as a "point of divergence" from the EQ1 timeline.  The devs don't want the storyline of future EQ1 releases to have to follow that mapped out in EQ2's lore, so at some point, two divergent paths emerge.  The first is what leads to the "future" we know as EQ2, the second is another path- so the players of EQ1 can forge their own destiny.</P> <P><BR> </P>

BLOODka
02-27-2005, 07:52 PM
<DIV>Nope, EQ2=EQ1 future</DIV>

Redbed
02-27-2005, 08:07 PM
<DIV>"Nope, EQ2=EQ1 future"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Uh no......EQ2 does NOT equal EQ1 Future.  There is a point of divergance....and thank you ...I know very well how parallal universes work.  I have seen all 3 Back to the Future movies (<----sarcasm-----&lt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</DIV>

BLOODka
02-28-2005, 01:16 AM
<DIV>You're wrong then</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2=EQ1 future</DIV>

Gaz1
02-28-2005, 05:23 AM
<DIV>Take a look at the in-game book "The Words of Zebuxxoruk", explains the Eq1/Eq2 separate timelines pretty well, if in slightly poetic terms.</DIV>

Bevyn
02-28-2005, 07:18 PM
<blockquote><hr>BLOODkane wrote:<DIV>You're wrong then</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>EQ2=EQ1 future</DIV><hr></blockquote>BloodKane, take some time to read the different developer remarks on this. It is very clear.They have gone on the record to say that they didn't want the EQ1 team to be constrained by the "history" written for EQ2, so they're treating this as a "divergent path."The continuing development of EQ1 can go through a route very different from that detailed in EQ2 as a result

Redbed
02-28-2005, 08:18 PM
<DIV>" <DIV>You're wrong then</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2=EQ1 future"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hate dealing with Fanatics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ill be back.  I need a drink in my hand if this conversation is gonna continue.</DIV></DIV>

BLOODka
03-01-2005, 08:00 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR> <DIV>You're wrong then</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2=EQ1 future</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

Gaz1
03-01-2005, 09:14 AM
<DIV>Give one piece of evidence refuting the alternate timelines set up, and we'll start listening. Until then, we'll go along with all current references, in game and out, that back up their existence.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Gaz123 on <span class=date_text>02-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:17 PM</span>

BLOODka
03-01-2005, 10:31 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR> <DIV>You're wrong then</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2=EQ1 future</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

Bevyn
03-01-2005, 09:21 PM
<blockquote><hr>BLOODkane wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>BLOODkane wrote:<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>BLOODkane wrote:<BR><DIV>You're wrong then</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>EQ2=EQ1 future</DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><hr></blockquote>You can repeat it as many times as you like- it won't make it any more true.It was rather clear in the dev comments in the beta forums, but with those gone, I did a brief search and came up with this<a href="http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?page=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=95820" target=_blank>Start here:</a>Well, it's the sequel to Everquest. We're thinking of it as a parallel universe because we're still intending to fully expand the original EverQuest alongside this one.<hr>Moorgard: From the beta forum, I believe (erased, but saved for posterity <a href="http://boards.ign.com/EverQuest/b6627/44280037/p2" target=_blank>here:</a> As another point of clarification, the whole "alternate universe" thing is not that big a deal. Our two games are going to exist in parallel development for a long, long time, and the EQ2 team doesn't want to be forced to react to every decision those guys make in terms of future game lore. So think of Norrath's timeline. Look at everything that happened up through the opening of the Planes of Power. That's the history and lore we're building our world upon. We're not trying to rewrite history. We just want each game to be free to develop its own future. Make sense? <hr>And this isn't any suprise, as it's the official line given to most articles writing about EQ2 pre-release and at release...<a href="http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/566/566169p1.html" target=_blank>…experience Sony's new Norrath, which exists in a parallel or alternate universe to its forebear…</a>Finally, we have a stickied player history of Norrath that, while player provided, also comments on the divergent timelines. It appears THIS is the general consensus.Can you cite anyone other than yourself?

BLOODka
03-01-2005, 11:38 PM
<DIV>Parallel Universe means both are happening now but it's the same WORLD WITH THE SAME HISTORY AND THE SAME FUTURE! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It'd be like 1930's and 2000's happening at the same time, they both happen, they both have the same past and future!</DIV>

Redbed
03-02-2005, 01:13 AM
<DIV>All right all right all right.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Okay lets start with the basics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Parrall worlds.  These are worlds that posses many similarites.  They usually feature the same places and history but have  an event has occurred drastically different in each that set them apart.  Its like 2 earths but in one of them....the [Removed for Content] won world war 2.  See...they share the same history until the point of Divergance.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THE POINT of Divergance in EQ2 is Planes of Power.  IN EQ2, the result of the players conquering the planes of Power and destroying the many avatars resulted in a different set of reactions.  From that point on ...NOTHING is the same.  EQ1 still goes on.....and on and on and on.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 however has developed differently.  We're still seeing the ramifications.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bloodkane...this is not rocket science.  Bloody hell, pick up a #$(*ing comic book.  Watch an episode of Sliders or Star Trek.  Read a book by Harry Turtledove.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

BLOODka
03-02-2005, 01:17 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR> <DIV>Parallel Universe means both are happening now but it's the same WORLD WITH THE SAME HISTORY AND THE SAME FUTURE! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It'd be like 1930's and 2000's happening at the same time, they both happen, they both have the same past and future!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

Coniaric
03-02-2005, 03:47 AM
<DIV>Same past ... different futures.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seems clear to me, one way or other.</DIV>

troodon311
03-02-2005, 04:02 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Redbed wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THE POINT of Divergance in EQ2 is Planes of Power.  IN EQ2, the result of the players conquering the planes of Power and destroying the many avatars resulted in a different set of reactions.  From that point on ...NOTHING is the same.  EQ1 still goes on.....and on and on and on.  <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, I think it happens after LDoN.  That's when the Council of the Gods happened in EQ1.

Bevyn
03-02-2005, 06:06 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BLOODkane wrote:<BR> <DIV>Parallel Universe means both are happening now but it's the same WORLD WITH THE SAME HISTORY AND THE SAME FUTURE! </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It'd be like 1930's and 2000's happening at the same time, they both happen, they both have the same past and future!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P> </P> <P>Close, but like the others say, parallel universes don't need to be happening in parallel timelines.  While it's common in popular fiction to have parallel universes share synchronized timelines, it's not necessary.  Time is but a dimension that may have its own shape and metric in its own universe.  The parallel nature of the universe stems from their general similarity- and the term "universe" applies to the entire universe in every time stage, much as referring to our universe extends to the entity that existed at the beginning through the end.</P> <UL> <LI>In your terms, EQ1's future will be a parallel universe to EQ2.  </LI> <LI>The EQ2 history took place in a parallel universe to EQ1 around the council of the Gods....</LI></UL> <P>In any way- EQ2 does not represent the future of EQ1</P>

BLOODka
03-02-2005, 09:52 AM
<DIV>Yes but where do you find this to be fact? Moorgard said it was simply a parallel universe. Not once did he say that it was a different future of EQ1</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 as far as I am concerned IS EQ1's future. I refuse to recognize EQ expansions of Gates of Discord and Omens of War. Dragons of Norrath can stay but those previous 2 do not exist in my mind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>See what I did there? That seems what you are doing. Totally refuting everything saying that EQ2 is a possible way of EQ1, when it could very well be (and is) EQ1's actual future.</DIV>

Bevyn
03-02-2005, 06:32 PM
<blockquote><hr>BLOODkane wrote:<DIV>Yes but where do you find this to be fact? Moorgard said it was simply a parallel universe. Not once did he say that it was a different future of EQ1</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>EQ2 as far as I am concerned IS EQ1's future. I refuse to recognize EQ expansions of Gates of Discord and Omens of War. Dragons of Norrath can stay but those previous 2 do not exist in my mind.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>See what I did there? That seems what you are doing. Totally refuting everything saying that EQ2 is a possible way of EQ1, when it could very well be (and is) EQ1's actual future.</DIV><hr></blockquote>Well, let's see:I took developer interviews and quotes. Therefore, I took the word of the creators that, at some points, the timelines diverge. In fact, while you may be nitpicking that the developers didn't use those exact words, when they explained their INTENT for the split, it was clear and leaves no room for these useless mincings of words.The devs did not want EQ1 to be trapped by the history plotted by EQ2, so they decided to treat them as parallel universes (divergent timelines) that shared a past up to a point, then split. That's pretty clear.Why did they do this? To keep people from reading the EQ2 history and then complain that it doesn't match the ongoing EQ1 storyline. They've diverged. You can't learn EQ1's future by reading EQ2's history. They're not the same anymore.I can't see how this leaves any room for your wordplay, which was based on a very limited (albiet somewhat literal) understanding of the terms, instead of the acceptable use of the terms.The timelines diverge as they do so the developers can have the freedom to create a story for EQ1 as they see fit.You seem to be arguing that the timelines would diverge and then reconverge at a later date- a system that, if possible, can lead to a number of paradoxes, but it's not out of the realm- we see that stuff alot in bad comic book writing.Normally, divergent timelines don't converge, but there is some history toward it. They *may* parallel each other so much that you can hardly notice the difference, but they're still divergent.---

RoninSenshi
03-08-2005, 09:39 PM
The point of divergance is after OOW. Just because those last two expantions sucked doesn't mean that you have to put them down.Its after OoW because if you remember from the beta lore, the Avator of Storms, the Halfelf in PoS, mentioned that the Gates to the realm of Discord (Kuua) were finally closed or something.