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MajorBurn
01-14-2005, 08:40 PM
Hello Everyone, I have done a few searches and as far as I can tell the second war happened sometime between 400-500 years ago givin the timeline. after the gods have left but way before the shattering, I was wondering if anyone knew of any more text on the second war as I was interested in the length of the war, was it fast or did it last for years. Also what happened to the remaining ogres after the green mist decimated the majority of them, did they hide away from everyone till the shattering when they were forced back into society as I cant see them just going back to life as before.The lore of the second rallosian war interests me much but the few chapters of the story I've read just doesn't quench my thirst. Thanks in advance.

Aion
01-14-2005, 09:08 PM
<DIV>After the green mist, wasn't the ogre's curse reinstated? ie. they became dumb again? I thought that is what happened, essentially puting them back to where (in social terms)  they were before the war.</DIV>

troodon311
01-14-2005, 10:02 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aion wrote:<BR> <DIV>After the green mist, wasn't the ogre's curse reinstated? ie. they became dumb again? <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>No

Thyr
01-15-2005, 01:21 AM
<DIV>Hmm, a greenmist decimated the ogres..that sounds really familiar.  According to EQ1 lore I do believe that a greenmist was responsible for decimating the Shissar and thereby freeing the Iksar from their enslavement.  Now the greenmist is revealed to be connected to the Avatar of Fear, which is either a big time coincidence or speaks to the point that Cazic Thule freed Norrath from the domination of the Shissar Empire...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Interesting..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sorry to derail the topic..I'd be interested to know what happened to the ogres as well, seeing as the Shissar were more or less totally wiped out by the first greenmist.</DIV>

Grimquest
01-15-2005, 01:35 AM
<DIV>Cazic Thule was responsible for the decimation of the Shissar by the fact that they had enslaved his creation: the Iksar. He didnt do it to free Norath.</DIV> <DIV>He once agian released the mist when the Ogres enetered his temple and started to kill his lizzardmen; another of his devout and his creation.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Shissar were not totaly wiped out, as thier kind survived and built a dome around thier stake of land on the moon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grim</DIV>

Kassanya
01-15-2005, 04:40 PM
<DIV>The second Ralosian war happened less than 400 years ago. The war of the Fay was occuring up to about 400 years ago. There is an NPC in Wollow Woods that tells the story of the War of the Fay (that is the Dark Elves and allies; trolls and orcs mainly, attacking the elven races of the Faydark). He says that he lost his sister in the great war of the Fay over 400 years ago. After the dwarves and gnomes sent armies to defeat the dark elves, the dark elves migrated back to Antonica only to find Neriak sealed so they moved into Freeport. The War of the Fay happened before the Nexus incident as one prong of the Dark Elf invasion force arrived in the Faydark by the spires. If the Rallosian war was this far back then it was closer to 400 years ago rather than 500. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The EQ2 timeline is said to commence from the point of the awakening of the Sleeper, then follows the path of the EQ1 expansions upto OoW. Then the War of the Fay follows on from that. My guess is that the Rallosian conquests happened some time after the War of the Fay. It would have been fast though. The ogres did not feed thier war machine themselves, they just stole from other races. I'd think they arrived in Qeynos and Freeport in less than a year.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The curse placed upon the ogres still does not effect them, also the same goes for Rallos's other creations. The orcs took the island that was the JaggedPine for themselves and named it Zek. The story goes that they were able to do this as the curse had been lifted. As for what happened after the Greenmist, then the best way to find out would be the history of the Ogres quest, which I expect you can find in Freeport library.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just to correct a few points. The Greenmist was used on the Rallosian army because they entered the plane of Fear through its portal in the Feerrott and attempted to enslave the Amygdalan, which they slaughtered when they would not cooperate. Also the shissar were not native to Luclin, they inhabited Kunark. When the Greenmist was used the Shissar evacuated to the moon of Luclin, finding that they could survive the natural vacuum of The Grey. They hoped to hold out here and rebuild their civilisation. They built no dome, the Grey has a natural vacuum due to geography or something.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In addition I believe the Greenmist was only used at the battle of Freeport. In Qeynos the Rallosians were defeated by Brell. During the battle they used live GNolls, set alight, as weapons. Brell, being the creator of the Gnolls, didn't quite agree with this and cracked the earth apart, swallowing the Rallosians.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bryyn Holifeet, templar of Mr Fizzlethorpe (AB server)</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kassanya on <span class=date_text>01-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:42 AM</span>

Gobbwin
01-18-2005, 12:32 AM
<P>The rallosian war did not last long, read the tome of destany carefully, it mentions the speed of their attacks and how quickly they were conquering.  It makes sence if you think about it, the gods leave and the curse is lifed, so the ogers start plotting and prepairing, if you've ever been to Ogguk in EQlive, you would know that they had a looooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggg ways to go to be prepaired for an invasion of this size.  Another thing to note is they pretty much made a beeline for Gukta, where they lost quite a few soldiers, they replenished these numbers with the lizardmen and other forced recruits and headed directly to Qeynos/Freeport.  If I'm understanding correctly from the tome, the greenmist affected ALL ogres, hence why there were none left over in Ogguk.  Every invading army always leaves something behind to defend their homelands, as well as those who can not fight.  The only ogres to survive were those who were in the caves of Guk, hunting down the fleeing frogloks (mentioned in another thread, will post the link later).  Eventually they gave up and came back to the surface, figured out what happened and ran like hell to Freeport where Lucan admitted them into his legion, though under a very close eye.  The reason for this is, although they are "happy to join his army" everyone knows that eventually their pride will resurface again.  There are several dark elves in Longshadow alleyway who say as much.</P> <P>One more thing, the greenmist only decimated all ogres on the surface (just like it did to Kunark with the Sshar), the curse would NOT be implace since it was put there by the gods after the first rallosian war.  And since the gods have not yet returned, they still have all their mental prowes.  Take note that this includes ALL of rallos' creations, including giants and orcs, who were rather stupid in EQlive, they are much more cunning in EQ2.  See the entire Isle of Zek in EQ2 (a veritable fortress) VS Clan Crushbone in EQlive (a bunch of huts and a few major buildings... woo...).</P>

Sebastien
01-18-2005, 10:18 PM
Well, here is the bit that is unclear. The second Rallosian attempt at conquest was led by Urduuk, we know. And it ended simultaneously on two fronts. At Freeport, the Battle of Defiance, the Rallosians were undone by the Green Mist, which was unleashed by the God of Fear in retaliation for the defilement of the Temple of Cazic Thule. At Qeynos, the Rallosians were swallowed up by the earth, in retaliation for their mistreatment of the Gnolls, one of Brell's creations. That event was known as the Rending, and apparently the earth quakes and fissures were far spread.Then a period of time passed, between the end of the Rallosian War and the Shattering itself. This is the question mark; I haven't seen anything in the lore to suggest how much time passed between these two events. I think it was suggested by the Avatars that it wasn't a long period of time. But it seems to have been at least a few years (since we have a Dwarf in a pub, telling the story of the Rending as if it had happened a long time ago, and this was before the Shattering had happened).I'm also not sure how long after the Shattering our present storyline is supposed to take place, but I get the feeling that it is perhaps a decade or two later. At least, we know that some of the children in the two cities running around, talking about Luclin as if they were not present to observe the Shattering.

troodon311
01-18-2005, 11:02 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sebastien wrote:<BR>At Qeynos, the Rallosians were swallowed up by the earth, in retaliation for their mistreatment of the Gnolls, one of Brell's creations. That event was known as the Rending, and apparently the earth quakes and fissures were far spread. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>No

Kindler
01-19-2005, 12:30 AM
<DIV>What I don't understand is why there are Ogre NPCs that talk like idiots in Freeport. If they aren't afflicted with the curse, why aren't they speaking in full, grammatically correct sentences? I don't get it.</DIV> <DIV><BR>Arana Faywhisper</DIV> <DIV>Wood Elven Warden</DIV> <DIV>Co-Leader, Fellowship of the Dragon</DIV> <DIV>Antonia Bayle</DIV>

Sebastien
01-19-2005, 12:46 AM
If you look at the traits that an Ogre can take, "Lifted Curse" is one of them. Reading the lore in Tome of Destiny, it seems that not all Ogres had the Curse lifted. Some did, some didn't. The most poignant example was Urduuk's wife, who wanted so much to understand what her husband was saying and seeing, but could not. For Urduuk, the Curse had been lifted, but not for his wife. Similarly, the chieftain of his tribe, whom he later slew, was not able to see past the Curse.

Mepha
01-19-2005, 06:17 PM
<DIV>I like to play evil characters and it is very frustrating.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the topic of Rallos Zek. Here is the "God of War" yet what war has he, or for that matter, his minions ever won? Same thing goes for the Tier'Dal. In EQ they were allowed one temporary victory in Highkeep. Now in EQ 2 Teir'Dal start as flunkies of the Overlord living in a slum. It was a little too much for me to continue playing them. Evil is allowed to posture and pose yet do precious little in Norrath, besides fail. I have heard so much nonsense from "noble" Teir'Dal in game it is truly sad how delusional they are. I could understand it when being raised and living in the largely isolated culture of Neriak. Now, other than being blue or purple, I see little reason to roll one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The root of the whole thing is a great American flaw in cinema and entertainment. We almost always must have a happy ending, and 'good' always wins.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Mephala on <span class=date_text>01-19-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:20 AM</span>

Aion
01-19-2005, 08:10 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mephala wrote:<BR> <DIV>I like to play evil characters and it is very frustrating.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the topic of Rallos Zek. Here is the "God of War" yet what war has he, or for that matter, his minions ever won? Same thing goes for the Tier'Dal. In EQ they were allowed one temporary victory in Highkeep. Now in EQ 2 Teir'Dal start as flunkies of the Overlord living in a slum. It was a little too much for me to continue playing them. Evil is allowed to posture and pose yet do precious little in Norrath, besides fail. I have heard so much nonsense from "noble" Teir'Dal in game it is truly sad how delusional they are. I could understand it when being raised and living in the largely isolated culture of Neriak. Now, other than being blue or purple, I see little reason to roll one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The root of the whole thing is a great American flaw in cinema and entertainment. We almost always must have a happy ending, and 'good' always wins.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Mephala on <SPAN class=date_text>01-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:20 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>I think you are being a little short-sighted here, and your precious Tier'Dal are not quite as evil as another presence on Norrath - an evil that has most certainly won. Lucan D'lere is more evil that you, and he RULES the eastern half of the know world, including the ill-fated Tier'Dal, and has done so for about 500 years (thats about 488 more years that Antonia Bayle has ruled). He stickes you in a slum because he likes to watch you suffer, and needs to suffocate your pride so that you don't get any delusions about rising to power again in HIS domain. <EM>EVIL!</EM></P> <P>Face it, you dark-elves have been out-eviled. I heard there is a way to betray and go to Qeynos -- there you will certainly be looked at as the most evil. Next to those other elves and halflings you'll come out smelling like.. umm... however evil is supposed to smell like. If that's not to your liking, then you should start doing more evil stuff around freeport instead of sitting around the Dark Bargainers, whining in your 'Longshadow Alley' projects about how nobody lets you be evil anymore.</P> <P> </P> <P><img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

Gobbwin
01-19-2005, 09:28 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mephala wrote:<BR> <DIV>I like to play evil characters and it is very frustrating.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the topic of Rallos Zek. Here is the "God of War" yet what war has he, or for that matter, his minions ever won? Same thing goes for the Tier'Dal. In EQ they were allowed one temporary victory in Highkeep. Now in EQ 2 Teir'Dal start as flunkies of the Overlord living in a slum. It was a little too much for me to continue playing them. Evil is allowed to posture and pose yet do precious little in Norrath, besides fail. I have heard so much nonsense from "noble" Teir'Dal in game it is truly sad how delusional they are. I could understand it when being raised and living in the largely isolated culture of Neriak. Now, other than being blue or purple, I see little reason to roll one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The root of the whole thing is a great American flaw in cinema and entertainment. We almost always must have a happy ending, and 'good' always wins.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Mephala <BR> <HR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well you are forgetting several major things:</P> <P>1) ALL of his creations are war-mongering, giants, orcs, ogres, etc, they are constantly fighting...everybody, hence the god of WAR.  This doesn't mean that they'll always win but they keep trying.</P> <P>2) The first Rallosian war ended after they had conqured most of Norrath and were invading the Elemental planes (earth) and were only beaten back by the Rathe Council.  If you have never faced them, then you can only guess at how much of a royal pain in the [Removed for Content] they are, they are stubborn!</P> <P>3) The Tier'Dal sent the MAJORITY of their army to invade Faydwer, they had all but beaten BOTH the Wood Elves, as well as the High Elves, when the Dwarves AND the Gnomes joined in the fray on the side of good.  AT THE SAME TIME the Haflings invaded the poorly defended Tier'Dal lands (Neriak).  So they fall back deep inside of the underfoot and totally abandon those on the surface.  So those still on the surface (the hand full that there are) are isolated and they have enemies all around them, so they head to FP.  They dispise Lucan for the most part, but are just biding their time until they can find Neriak then pwn Lucan and start conquesting the world.</P> <P>4) The second Rallosian war was nearly sucessful, they had conquered Gukta and would have beaten both FP and Qeynos had the Greenmist and the Avatar of Brell not interfered.  So since there are only a handful of ogres left and they too are hated by nearly everyone, they make a beeline to FP and join up as well.</P> <P>5) You forgot THE most evil race, the Iksar, regardless of what anyone says, these guys are hands down the nastiest.  (side note, keep in mind that these guys were battling the dragon society in ages past and ended in a stalemate, they were just recovering from this really in EQ live)  Now the Rallosians invade Kunark and are sucessfully held off until the Greenmist kills the invading Ogres, then they push forward their age old plans to invade Faydwer, but then the cataclysms catch them and destroys their fleet.  Kunark is lost, again, and so the few survivors of the fleet, who are cut off from Kunark make their way to FP and join up with Lucan's ranks as well.</P> <P>6) Also you forgot the nastiest and second most inattely evil race of the Trolls.  These are just the knock around guys who are liked by no one.  They had just lost their home city to the Frogloks not too long ago and were living with the Tier'Dal when the haflings invaded, so they too booked to FP.</P> <P><BR>Now anyone noticing a pattern there?  NOT ONCE, EVER, did any of the major evil races work together.  The Tier'Dal are arrogant and believe that THEY should rule everyone, so all other evil races are their pawns.  The Ogers are too proud to ask for help.  The Trolls and Iksar are hated by everyone, and they hate everyone else, so alliances are out there.  BUT the good races on the other hand have proven very adept at allying together to fend off the forces of evil, even if it was by accident (ie Wood Elves, High Elves, Dwarves, and Gnomes fighting alongside one another, while the Haflings invaded a weaked Neriak, not coordianted or pre-planned but regardless, they were still working together).  And as you said, in American society, good must always win, there has to be that happy ending.  Though I too would like to see Qeynos get pwned by FP in the comming years, just as long as Lucan isn't the leader (hes a pathetic, paranoid, slimeball who siezed power through deciet and kills any who might uppose him...basically a weak individual).<BR></P>

Sebastien
01-19-2005, 09:59 PM
On a minor note, also keep in mind that Lucan awarded the dark elves their own district, because he values their services more than he does the other races. They are the only ones to have a district to themselves, whereas in other districts, he has practically gone out of his way to ensure that the races who hate eachother the most are forced to live together.Where is a dwarf forced to live if he betrays Bayle and comes to Freeport? The Big Bend.. enough said. <img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Zhern
01-25-2005, 12:48 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sebastien wrote:<BR>On a minor note, also keep in mind that Lucan awarded the dark elves their own district, because he values their services more than he does the other races. They are the only ones to have a district to themselves, whereas in other districts, he has practically gone out of his way to ensure that the races who hate eachother the most are forced to live together.<BR><BR>Where is a dwarf forced to live if he betrays Bayle and comes to Freeport? The Big Bend.. enough said. <img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>This is so true!</P> <P> </P>

Xalbus
02-02-2005, 05:08 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mephala wrote:<BR> <DIV>I like to play evil characters and it is very frustrating.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the topic of Rallos Zek. Here is the "God of War" yet what war has he, or for that matter, his minions ever won? Same thing goes for the Tier'Dal. In EQ they were allowed one temporary victory in Highkeep. Now in EQ 2 Teir'Dal start as flunkies of the Overlord living in a slum. It was a little too much for me to continue playing them. Evil is allowed to posture and pose yet do precious little in Norrath, besides fail. I have heard so much nonsense from "noble" Teir'Dal in game it is truly sad how delusional they are. I could understand it when being raised and living in the largely isolated culture of Neriak. Now, other than being blue or purple, I see little reason to roll one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The root of the whole thing is a great American flaw in cinema and entertainment. We almost always must have a happy ending, and 'good' always wins.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Mephala on <SPAN class=date_text>01-19-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:20 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Rallos' minions always win, its only through the intervention of the Gods that they are stopped. First the curse then the Greenmist.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Tier'Dal in FP are considered the outcasts and weak. The Tier'Dal sealed inside Neriak consider themselves the true children of hate and have taken over the underfoot, driving the Ratonga out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for the great flaw in American Cinema, its not a flaw its simply what sells. A very small minority of people enjoy seeing depressing endings, but that doesn't sell movies. Most people get angry when they sit though 2 hours of a movie only to have the hero they have been cheering for killed at the end or defeated. Imagine if Vader killed Luke at the end of RoTJ, Imagine if Frodo sucumbed to the will of the ring and turned it over to Sauron.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No one wants the bad guy to win, hence no bad guy ever wins.</DIV> <DIV>Freeport is not "Evil" in the sense that they kill puppies and eat babies. They are what D&D would term lawful evil, The overlord demands total obedience but provides for the people who swear allegiance to him.</DIV>

Xalbus
02-02-2005, 05:18 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sebastien wrote:<BR>On a minor note, also keep in mind that Lucan awarded the dark elves their own district, because he values their services more than he does the other races. They are the only ones to have a district to themselves, whereas in other districts, he has practically gone out of his way to ensure that the races who hate eachother the most are forced to live together.<BR><BR>Where is a dwarf forced to live if he betrays Bayle and comes to Freeport? The Big Bend.. enough said. <img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Don't high elf betrayers go to LS as well?</FONT></P> <P>on a side note I was in LS the other day waiting on a craftsman when a High Elf ran by and an NPC exclaimed something along the lines of</FONT></P> <P>"A High Elf? Here in Freeport? Ahahaha We have won!"</FONT></P> <P>this was as a voice over it was a real cool little addition to the game I hadn't seen before <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> considering for the last 30 levels since I got to FP I have spent maybe 4 hours total in FP <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT><BR></P>

Aion
02-03-2005, 08:32 PM
As a high elf betrayer i can assure you we go to bing bend...Wheras everywhere I go in freeport I hear that "... by Inorruuk!! We have won" But the worst insult is I get told constantly by NPCs "Why don't you go play in Big Bend. I hear the trolls have a fondness for elf."I also get alot of insults from the Erudites. The dark-elves mostly ignore me though.I am so lonely.... but at least I'm a shadowknight!

RoninSenshi
03-08-2005, 09:52 PM
"An evil Highelf.. By Innoruuk, we've won!!!"I laugh so hard everytime a highelf comes into FP, lol.BTW, if the Darkelves were allowed to acually win a war that would break them so bad. They have to lose to keep themselves hateful.It would be like.Darkelf Male: "Hey. We killed them all. We won."Darkelf Female: "Yeah, We did! We are better then the Tunarian elves! We have won!"Darkelf Male: "I can see clearly now~! The skies are blue and the sun is warm!"Darkelf Female: "This feeling of complete and utter joy! I am so happy! I am crying! Sing me a song of happyness!"Darkelf Male: "I love you tree ::Hugs Tree::"etc etc..