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Jambon
01-10-2005, 01:26 AM
Is there a tome in game that details the history of Stormhold? I've only been there twice, but want to know more about why it's infested with the undead.Thanks!

Hawkw
01-10-2005, 04:07 AM
<DIV>There is a quest that covers some of it. Look for the sword.</DIV>

MysticTrunks01
01-10-2005, 12:04 PM
<DIV>I wonder about Stormhold myself.  I don't remember any mention of it in EQ1 and the area it is in it wouldn't have been at that time.  I guess it was built in the last 500 years and went to ruin as well.  Any real info would be nice.  Being told about a quest with no details aside.</DIV>

Adal
01-12-2005, 08:53 PM
<DIV>I am curious about the background of stormhold myself....It has such a sad feeling to it<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Taeda
01-12-2005, 09:58 PM
<DIV>stormhold is acually befallen, yes i know it was in the commandlands but its befallen. theres even the old well that in stormhold that was in befallen.</DIV>

Adal
01-12-2005, 10:19 PM
<DIV>I thought they were adding befallen as a dungeon off of Commonlands? Also I didn't play EQ1 so don't know anything about befallen<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Kondul
01-12-2005, 11:06 PM
<i>Some</i> players <i>suspect</i> Stormhold is Befallen. If it is the entire structure's is backwards, there's a number of large expansions, and the things been moved to the other side of the continent.I personally think Stormhold ICly, was built with inspiration taken from Befallen. OOCly, They originally intended it to be Befallen, then someone pointed out that it was on the wrong end of the world, so they changed it a bit. :p

Adal
01-13-2005, 07:20 PM
<DIV>LOL.......that sounds like something they would do<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

Taeda
01-14-2005, 02:48 AM
<DIV>i truly think stormhold is befallen. the problem is that everyone is comapring it to where it was in EQlive but you have to remember all the zones were small and packed in for the sake of the game, when it really was massive and hundreds of miles apart. and considering where stormhold is its possiable.</DIV>

iceriven2
01-14-2005, 03:32 AM
i highly doubt it is befallen b/c of not only what was said in the other replies how it was off of the commonlands, but b/c in the access quest for the tomb of valor qeynos knight is burried in there which is in stormhold. my takes is sometime in the past it was a barracks where some knights lived and trained. Built after eqlive but something went horrible wrong with all of them becoming undead. could it have been the age of catylism or some other force like those scion? dunno(have't done the quest sine its a raid mob maybe someone who has done can let us know) also just remembered there is a shrine to karana in stormhold. I think thats just more evidance on what i just wrote.

troodon311
01-14-2005, 11:46 AM
<DIV>I have a funny feeling Unrest will be an Adventure Pack some day, that will finally put this controversy to <EM>rest</EM> :smileywink:</DIV>

Tiberi
01-15-2005, 01:35 AM
<DIV>If you do the quests In stormhold and read them you will understand what happened if you notice you see that Lord Chessguard delve to deep in the stormhold the dungeons and un-covered something that went amiss. Its all in the game in the lore.</DIV>

Kondul
01-15-2005, 03:02 AM
I strongly doubt Unrest will be an adventure pack anytime soon, since that continent isn't even in game yet. :pBefallen would be a nice adventure zone, along with Gorge of Xxorb (Who I keep expecting to run into in the maze outside FG in Commonlands <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) Najena, Takish-Hiz, Rujarkia, Guk, Guk, and Guk (upper, lower, and deepest, respectively, Highold and I'm sure some others that I've forgotten.

Kondul
01-15-2005, 07:14 AM
And voila, as seen on the front page, today:<blockquote><hr>Lord Chesgard was a legendary member of a long-dead knightly order known as the Knights of Thunder. It was during one of his many adventures, a crusade into a cursed bunker of the hills in the Commonlands, that Lord Chesgard would claim his greatest prize, the Bone Bladed Claymore. Unfortunately for all of his order, the sword would not be the only arcane force to return with Chesgard. Something dark and evil was beginning to take hold of him. When Lord Chesgard returned to Qeynos, he oversaw the construction of a mighty keep called Stormhold, but evil began to slowly seep into his mind and the design of the citadel itself became twisted and corrupted. Eventually this evil rose to the surface, and all within Stormhold were lost.<hr></blockquote>So it's not Befallen, but it is inspired by/based on Befallen. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

iceriven2
01-15-2005, 10:44 AM
check out eq2players gives a history on stormhold and guess what its not befallen

troodon311
01-15-2005, 01:04 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kondular wrote:<BR>I strongly doubt Unrest will be an adventure pack anytime soon, since that continent isn't even in game yet. :p<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Dang it!  What a noob.

MysticTrunks01
01-16-2005, 12:04 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kondular wrote:<BR>And voila, as seen on the front page, today:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lord Chesgard was a legendary member of a long-dead knightly order known as the Knights of Thunder. It was during one of his many adventures, a crusade into a cursed bunker of the hills in the Commonlands, that Lord Chesgard would claim his greatest prize, the Bone Bladed Claymore. Unfortunately for all of his order, the sword would not be the only arcane force to return with Chesgard. Something dark and evil was beginning to take hold of him. <BR><BR>When Lord Chesgard returned to Qeynos, he oversaw the construction of a mighty keep called Stormhold, but evil began to slowly seep into his mind and the design of the citadel itself became twisted and corrupted. Eventually this evil rose to the surface, and all within Stormhold were lost. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>So it's not Befallen, but it is inspired by/based on Befallen. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Yep i just read that today.  I was wondering if it was just a structure that was build in the space between games, and it looks like it was.  Kind of a sad history, but at least we know where the hell it came from now... and that it isn't Befallen... people with that theory... sheesh.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now if we can just figure out why BB seems to have moved South and the collapsed tunnel to Everfrost points that way to when it should be north...... that is some serious tectonic shifting.</P>

Gobbwin
01-18-2005, 12:50 AM
<DIV>the BB argument was pretty much hammered out as well.  In one of the books that you buy from the sage in SQ, it mentions that BB was destroyed during the cataclysms and later rebuilt.  So if they rebuilt further south, its possible, as well as them following a similar design as the first BB, remember, in the end they are just stupid dogs. =p</DIV>

Kodros
01-18-2005, 08:34 PM
Not sure if it helps but I remember SOE saying that Qeynos is not in the same spot as it was in EQ1. It's either futher North or South..ugh stupid memory.

MysticTrunks01
01-19-2005, 01:53 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kodros wrote:<BR>Not sure if it helps but I remember SOE saying that Qeynos is not in the same spot as it was in EQ1. It's either futher North or South..ugh stupid memory.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>You know what?  THAT makes sense.  It's not unbelieveable that the city grew in a northern direction as the old parts were destroyed.</P> <P>BB being rebuild but still having the same tunner to Everfrost but collapsed however is a bit far fetched, even if it is in a book in the game.</P>

Chrush
02-01-2005, 06:13 PM
well im a lvl 47 warden I know Stromhold like the back of my hand.. ive done many quests from there.. I did one quest and in it there was lore about it and it was refered to as Befallen... so eitehr the text of that NPC is messed up or something.. but it IS befallen and it IS on the wrong side of the world..and no im not making a mistake.. many people can verify that<p>Message Edited by Chrushev on <span class=date_text>02-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:13 AM</span>

Arg
02-01-2005, 08:12 PM
<DIV>Is the name of the main zombie from Befallen in EQ 1 written on the walls in SH?</DIV>

dstuffle
02-01-2005, 08:31 PM
<DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>"Lord Chesgard was a legendary member of a long-dead knightly order known as the Knights of Thunder. It was during one of his many adventures, a crusade into a cursed bunker of the hills in the Commonlands, that Lord Chesgard would claim his greatest prize, the Bone Bladed Claymore."</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If his "greatest prize" was a BBC, that is just truely sad.  I would hope a great knight, a ledgendary Lord could at least get his hands on a Goulsbane let alone a Yak or a defender's light blade.</DIV>

Jaron
02-01-2005, 08:53 PM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dstuffle wrote:<BR> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV>"Lord Chesgard was a legendary member of a long-dead knightly order known as the Knights of Thunder. It was during one of his many adventures, a crusade into a cursed bunker of the hills in the Commonlands, that Lord Chesgard would claim his greatest prize, the Bone Bladed Claymore."</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If his "greatest prize" was a BBC, that is just truely sad.  I would hope a great knight, a ledgendary Lord could at least get his hands on a Goulsbane let alone a Yak or a defender's light blade.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Pssst, legendary knights don't measure the value of their prizes by the stats and procs attached to them. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

TheWays
02-02-2005, 03:31 PM
<DIV>As referenced in the Missing Locations thread, Stormhold is Befallen.  The names of the zone files is Befallen, there are quests that reference the zone as Befallen, it is layed out in much the same fashion as befallen.  Gynok Moltar was a legendary npc in Befallen.  Aren't the old shadowknights somewhere in there as well (the ones that dropped the keyes to each level of the dungeon)?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is pretty sad that a paladin lord went to Befallen, killed a lvl 25 Troll Shadowknight and got the Bone bladed claymore which apparantly cursed him and forced him to build a "replica" of Befallen and fill it with various undead skeletons (the mainstay residents of Befallen with the exception of a few necromantics).  Maybe in the near future or possibly in an expansion some conjuror Lady will bring back the Flowing Black Robe from Najena and wind up cursed to build a replica of Najenas mountain fortress somewhere in the Thundering Steppes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only reason that Befallen was moved to Antonica (no it wasn't some major tectonic movement or "original intended location") was because there was an imbalance of zones on the Freeport side.  I'm still trying to figure out what in TS is supposed to compete with Nektropos Castle (which is awesome).</DIV>

Chrush
02-03-2005, 10:26 AM
<blockquote><hr>TheWays wrote:<DIV>As referenced in the Missing Locations thread, Stormhold is Befallen. The names of the zone files is Befallen, there are quests that reference the zone as Befallen, it is layed out in much the same fashion as befallen. Gynok Moltar was a legendary npc in Befallen. Aren't the old shadowknights somewhere in there as well (the ones that dropped the keyes to each level of the dungeon)?</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>It is pretty sad that a paladin lord went to Befallen, killed a lvl 25 Troll Shadowknight and got the Bone bladed claymore which apparantly cursed him and forced him to build a "replica" of Befallen and fill it with various undead skeletons (the mainstay residents of Befallen with the exception of a few necromantics). Maybe in the near future or possibly in an expansion some conjuror Lady will bring back the Flowing Black Robe from Najena and wind up cursed to build a replica of Najenas mountain fortress somewhere in the Thundering Steppes.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>The only reason that Befallen was moved to Antonica (no it wasn't some major tectonic movement or "original intended location") was because there was an imbalance of zones on the Freeport side. I'm still trying to figure out what in TS is supposed to compete with Nektropos Castle (which is awesome).</DIV><hr></blockquote>hmm good info..i think TS is like whole Karana area...cuz there are Ruins of Karana there (place name).. there are towers like in old karana...then the bridge that locks at night is this bridge .. if u look at map of TS u can see the dead dry river and it follows same pattern as the river in EQ1 but in EQ2 its just a dried basin<a href="http://www.descendants-eq2.com" target=_blank><center><img src="http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:oHb-IfGtP1AJ:http://stingrays.tripod.com/everquest/EQSSLnkwoodbridge.jpg"></center></a>which connected North karana's with east I think... (not the one near spires) but the wooden one...<p>Message Edited by Chrushev on <span class=date_text>02-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:27 PM</span><p>Message Edited by Chrushev on <span class=date_text>02-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:27 PM</span>

Socko
02-22-2005, 11:27 PM
<DIV>Valiyne (or whatever... the statue fella who gives you a quest path starting with scorched skellies) has dialoge ( think is new, but maybe I just never noticed). His in game text dialog says basically he can help you find treasure. His vocal dialoge specifically and undeniably says "The lost treasures of Befallen".</DIV>

Nemesi
02-23-2005, 02:18 AM
<DIV>>As referenced in the Missing Locations thread, Stormhold is Befallen</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>no its not. the key to the past access quest for the zone will give you enough background to know the zone doesn't have a direct match in EQ1.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gynok Myltor (sp) is written on the walls, but you'll find out from the access quest that the knights went to befallen, and returned with the bone bladed claymore...the result is what is now stormhold.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>befallen was originally an order of monks, not knights.</DIV>

Bucksno
02-23-2005, 03:22 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Socko wrote:<BR> <DIV>Valiyne (or whatever... the statue fella who gives you a quest path starting with scorched skellies) has dialoge ( think is new, but maybe I just never noticed). His in game text dialog says basically he can help you find treasure. His vocal dialoge specifically and undeniably says "The lost treasures of Befallen".</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> Yes, they are the lost treasures of Befallen. As in, they were moved from Befallen to Stormhold by Lord Chesgard and his knights. The moving of said treasures from dungeon A to dungeon B does not make Stormhold into Befallen. The evil that accompanied those treasures, however, did in fact corrupt Stormhold and all those within it, thus turning into a "new" Befallen.

Bucksno
02-23-2005, 03:30 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheWays wrote:<BR> <DIV>As referenced in the Missing Locations thread, Stormhold is Befallen.  The names of the zone files is Befallen, there are quests that reference the zone as Befallen, it is layed out in much the same fashion as befallen.  Gynok Moltar was a legendary npc in Befallen.  Aren't the old shadowknights somewhere in there as well (the ones that dropped the keyes to each level of the dungeon)?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It is pretty sad that a paladin lord went to Befallen, killed a lvl 25 Troll Shadowknight and got the Bone bladed claymore which apparantly cursed him and forced him to build a "replica" of Befallen and fill it with various undead skeletons (the mainstay residents of Befallen with the exception of a few necromantics).  Maybe in the near future or possibly in an expansion some conjuror Lady will bring back the Flowing Black Robe from Najena and wind up cursed to build a replica of Najenas mountain fortress somewhere in the Thundering Steppes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only reason that Befallen was moved to Antonica (no it wasn't some major tectonic movement or "original intended location") was because there was an imbalance of zones on the Freeport side.  I'm still trying to figure out what in TS is supposed to compete with Nektropos Castle (which is awesome).</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>TheWays, I usually appreciate your insight into Norrathian lore but on this one I think you missed the boat. I do agree that whatever evil may have formed or malformed the original Befallen into the undead nightmare that it was may have done the same thing to Stormhold. But Stormhold's own in-game lore documents that it was not always as it is today but instead was fully functional keep run by and for the Thunder Knights. It was a fresh and cleanly constructed place long after Befallen was already a ruined dungeon. The evil brought back to it by Lord Chesgard changed all that of course.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So to reiterate, Befallen was not "moved" to Antonica by developers or anyone else. Befallen had its day, that day is over (maybe) and Stormhold is just afflicted with the same curse.</DIV>

EvilIguana9
02-23-2005, 03:52 AM
Here is my version of the story. I have filled in the blanks a bit so chances are I may have messed up with continuity. Correct me where needed:Lord Chesguard was the proud leader of the Knights of Thunder, a sect of paladins and clerics devoted to Karana the Stormlord. Chesguard led an expedition into the ruins of befallen and came out with the Bone Bladed Claymore, a powerful cursed sword. Impressed by befallen he set out to recreate the fortress in the plains of Karana as a monument to his lord Karana. However something sinister had taken root within him. As work on Stormhold progressed he became more and more obsessed with his creation. Something was consuming him from the inside out. As time wore on the Knights of Thunder saw less of Chesguard. He secluded himself in his chamber and rarely oversaw the work on the keep. Those who did come into contact with Chesguard warned of strange visions and fleeting chills while in his presence. The knights began to suspect that the claymore was somehow involved in their leader's transformation. Unfortunately for the devoted knights their revalation had come too late. Chesguard's soul had been consumed anfd corrupted by Innoruuk, the blade acting as a focus through which the essence of the lord of Hate had infected his once pure soul. Fully transformed into a Shadow Knight of Hate, Chesguard went forward with dark rituals intended to transform his once loyal knights into his subjugated servants. When a small group of the Knights learned of the plan, they set out to stop Chesguard before his machinations could come to fruition. Exquisitely aware of the danger that Chesguard posed to the citizens of the plains Karana and the nearby city of Qeynbos, the knights sealed the entrance to stormhold so that if they should fail his evil could not be unleashed on the surrounding settlements. The knights confronted Chesguard in the middle of a dark ritual, but their plan was met with only partial success. While they succeeded in stopping Chesguard from corrupting the order, they were unable to counteract the full effects of the magic he had set in place. When chesguard fell, the foul magic that he had conjured was released into the halls of Stormhold. The denizens of the keep were slain, their souls trapped somewhere between life and eternal rest. The keep itself was largely intact structurally, but the magical energies unleashed upon it caused it to sink deeply into the hill in which it was constructed. Rock and soil blocked the entrance to the keep for all but vermin. The physical bodies of the inhabitants decayed, leaving only their eternally restless remains to wander the halls.

Bucksno
02-23-2005, 04:07 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EvilIguana966 wrote:<BR>Here is my version of the story. I have filled in the blanks a bit so chances are I may have messed up with continuity. Correct me where needed:<BR><BR>...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In general, that sounds entirely plausible. The fact, which you have preserved, is that Befallen is one place and Stormhold, albeit perhaps made in the image of Befallen, is another place entirely.  Good job.</DIV>

Socko
02-23-2005, 09:39 PM
<DIV>Oh, Alright. I haven't gotten far into the proper quests yet, and misunderstood what his message entailed. Sorry if this had been covered previously, I got a bit lazy =(</DIV>

bar
02-25-2005, 11:34 PM
I always thought it was supposed to be Befallen, but they changed it to be High Hold Keep, but Ive not made many visits to that area, so my guess is simply that, a guess. And if it isn't High Hold, what the hell happened to the Keep?

Bur
02-26-2005, 01:07 AM
Well.. if there's a gigantic ocean between qeynos and freeport what do you think happened to the keep?

JayemJa
02-26-2005, 01:57 PM
I think that story up there is a good explanation.Knights of Thunder Plundered BefallenTook the design for their own fortressSuffered same fateThough it is likely that they just decided that the evil side had too many dungeons.

WarderDrag
02-27-2005, 03:22 AM
<DIV>Ok, I havent done the quest with the lore on Stormhold, nor have I played EQlive, thus having never been to Befallen, but from some of what ive read, it makes me wonder.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If the original Befallen is destroyed now, what if in the past, the evil force that corrupted Lord Chessgard had somehow foreseen its destruction and the destruction of Befallen itself (Rending/Shattering), thus corrupted Lord Chessgard for the purpose of relocating "Befallen" to a new location, along with all its inhabitants, thus Lord Chessgard would then be simply a vessel so that the evil power of Befallen could survive? I would think something would be involved, not just he went mad and decided to build a copy of Befallen for no reason.</DIV>

bar
03-01-2005, 09:30 AM
The same thing that happened to Corey Feldman's career?but seriously, High Hold could have ended up on one of the continents, since3 the break points seem to be pretty evenly flushed between Freeport and the Enchanted Lands, which is what high hold was closer to, if memory serves